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On 25/01/2008, Steve Yelvington [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Since adding GSM capability would bulk up the basic unit, it seems that perhaps an external GSM enabler would be a good move. Connect via Bluetooth. Maybe even make it work as a speaker/mike, so I don't have to wave the Internet tablet around in the air to use the phone. It might look like this: http://www.nokiahowto.com/link?cid=EDITORIAL_217558 There are compromises to be made whether you take the integrated route (a la iPhone) or the component route (a la Nokia). I have an N800, a phone, a foldup keyboard and I'm contemplating a tiny GPS receiver, all communicating via Bluetooth. Each is optimized for its purpose and I only carry that parts that I want at the moment. The downside is that I have a lot of parts. The iPhone owner has a different set of compromises to make; the virtual keyboard sucks, the GPS-like GSM tower triangulation is interesting but inaccurate, and as a phone it's not nearly as rugged and pocketable as my clamshell. And it's a closed system. I'd be more than happy to see Nokia offer an all-in-one device but I sure would prefer to continue to be offered the choice. +1 As a 770 owner (maybe future n810 owner), it's a data device not a phone... if I need non wifi that's the phone's job last time I looked Linux was pretty open unlike MacOS on the iPhone and this is the reason why I think it will not have GSM/3G of its own... A. ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
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James, re your comment: ... It wouldn't take much to add an IP header to it.. That is what the 3GPP^1 has been working toward lo these many years and the standards are now emerging as the Long Term Evolution (LTE^2 ) technology for IMT-Advanced^3 (informally referred to as 4g) mobile networks, although some will argue that LTE is not a bonda fide 4g standard. The ruling paradigm of 4g isall IP/all the time. WIMAX^4 which incorporates the IEEE 802.16e standard is an alternative 3g standard (protocol stack actually) that has been ratified by the ITU for inclusion in the IMT2000^5 family of 3G standards. WIMAX, because it also follows the all IP/all the time network design paridigm has many of the technical attributes of LTE. The IEEE is drafting a new standard within the 802.16 family, known as 802.16m which will juice up the payload data rate to the point that 802.16m^6 will be able to fit within the IMT-Advanced standards framework. If this standards soup sounds confusing it is because it is. The dailywireless.org article that I reference (6) has two nice graphics, one that shows the suitability of various protocol standards as a function of two variables, x = payload rate and y = degree of mobility require, and a second graphic that shows the evolution of mobile/wireless standards over time which is further down in the article. ^ 1. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/3gpp (see in particular the note regarding release 8 onwards) 2. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/3GPP_Long_Term_Evolution 3. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IMT_Advanced 4. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wimax 5. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IMT2000 6. http://www.dailywireless.org/2007/02/20/wimax-80216m-100-mbps/ Best Regards, John Holmblad Acadia Secure Networks, LLC James Knott wrote: Gary wrote: Joshua Layne wrote: What frequencies would this radio support? (850,900,1700,1800,1900,2100) (1700 and 2100 are data only) What data standards? EDGE? UMTS? HSDPA? and on which of the above frequencies? Quad band phones are more common than they used to be but GPRS, even with EDGE, is too slow to carry VoIP traffic. At work, we sell equipment that can do VoIP in under 20 KB/s, which is less than what GPRS is capable of. Also, digital cell phone voice is already in packets. It wouldn't take much to add an IP header to it. ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
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Kevin, what is important about Nokia's assertion about building an Internet Tablet that supports WIMAX in the U.S. ~2.4 ghz frequency band has to do with two thing primarily: a) Nokia would like to get a piece of the market action with a big U.S. customer like Sprint, who up until now (except for their earliest 1980's instantiation when they were GSM) has been using CDMA but, more importantly, I think b) Sprint's WIMAX network, assuming it moves forward, will be a great market testbed for all IP/all the time ~4g mobile networking (one of the fist such large scale networks of its kind) and I believe Nokia wants to be part of that as well. I say ~ because, strictly speaking, WIMAX/802.16e is not a 4g standard. GSM is itself, going to be supplanted by something, and, if Ericsson has its way it will be LTE. On the other hand now that IEEE 802.16e has joined the pantheon/plethora of IMT2000 standards and is being adapted for IMT-Advanced, there is a possibility it may eventually show up in European 4g mobile networks. I should add, and you are probably aware, that there are small metro WIMAX projects going on all over Europe, not to mention the Middle East, Africa, and Asia as well. Best Regards, John Holmblad Acadia Secure Networks, LLC * * Matt Emson wrote: Kevin T. Neely wrote: This is quite timely, since the FCC spectrum auction just went up today: https://auctionsignon.fcc.gov/signon/index.htm So don't look backward to 20th Century technology, look forward to ubiquitous wireless access, making VOIP a reality and ditching those SIM cards forever. Being English, I can flatly point out that this means diddly squat to Nokia. You need to look at what is happening in Europe to know what is going on in the minds of Nokia. It doesn't matter a damn if you have sold lots of frequencies, they are not valid out side of the US and therefore irrelevant. The FCC does not regulate my airwaves ;-) Seriously, there is a world over here in Europe, you know ;-) We all use GSM. Our 3G uses different frequencies. This is what screwed Apple over. If Apple had wanted an easy ride, they could have used a US only phone standard and sold a lot more units probably. But using GSM, they opened the international market up a lot faster. However, not having a 3G standard world wide is a big problem for them. Hence the shuffling excuses, I guess. ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
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Kevin T. Neely wrote: This is quite timely, since the FCC spectrum auction just went up today: https://auctionsignon.fcc.gov/signon/index.htm So don't look backward to 20th Century technology, look forward to ubiquitous wireless access, making VOIP a reality and ditching those SIM cards forever. Being English, I can flatly point out that this means diddly squat to Nokia. You need to look at what is happening in Europe to know what is going on in the minds of Nokia. It doesn't matter a damn if you have sold lots of frequencies, they are not valid out side of the US and therefore irrelevant. The FCC does not regulate my airwaves ;-) Seriously, there is a world over here in Europe, you know ;-) We all use GSM. Our 3G uses different frequencies. This is what screwed Apple over. If Apple had wanted an easy ride, they could have used a US only phone standard and sold a lot more units probably. But using GSM, they opened the international market up a lot faster. However, not having a 3G standard world wide is a big problem for them. Hence the shuffling excuses, I guess. ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
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Gary, I agree that bluetooth tethering is a great solution/workaround to the need to sometimes use the N8XX as a voice communications device. The problem I have is that when I have bluetooth + CDMA/EVDO turn on on my mobile phone, it runs down the battery very quickly. I would like to see Nokia (or some supplier) come out with a stand alone EVDO/Bluetooth radio with very looong battery life and supply it to the US EVDO mobile service providers (Sprint, Verizon, Alltell, etc) for sale to their customers. Since these mobile service providers already sell evdo/data plans along with cardbus evdo modems, they should not have a problem with a stand alone device such as I am suggesting. By the way, the fact that the NXX do not have CDMA or GSM mobile phone capability does not prevent the LETS Talk www site from marketing the N800 has a mobile phone. Here is the url to the www page at their www site where they do just that: http://www.letstalk.com/product/product.htm?prId=32245search=n800 If you visit that www page you will see that they refer to the N800 as a Nokia N800 Internet Tablet Cell Phone Best Regards, John Holmblad Acadia Secure Networks, LLC * * Gary wrote: On Thu, 24 Jan 2008, Steve Yelvington wrote: There are compromises to be made whether you take the integrated route (a la iPhone) or the component route (a la Nokia). I have an N800, a The great thing about bluetooth tethering is that you can switch carriers and not have to replace your tethered device at the same time. Integrating a phone (and the wireless telephony it's tied to, CDMA, GSM, etc.) would be a bad idea and considering the business they're in, Nokia would have probably done this in the first place if they'd thought it would work. As it stands, I can't envision them adding anything but WiMAX or its successor in the future. -Gary ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Aaron Newcomb escreveu: If you visit that www page you will see that they refer to the N800 as a Nokia N800 Internet Tablet Cell Phone LOL. That's classic. And it's overpriced. I have a good one about this. A friend ordered the N810 for me in US (I'll get it next week), all went fine and he sent me the link to check the status, shipping, etc. The next day I checked the link and it said that a contact with the customer was required. I asked him to do so. Some time later he told me he spent about 30 minutes answering a lot of questions about why was he buying a cellphone without a cellphone plan. Telling the people there that the N810 is *not* a cellphone didn't stop them keep asking. He had to ask for a supervisor to make them understand why the N810 didn't need a plan. []s Adilson. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFHmg5A2cB5Bt7H7YARAh6yAJ9yErazl4Mm15klQOP5W2VSAVwAEACgmSX+ cklWbLaTurt4uaw+eb6rSWg= =zXrB -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
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Gary wrote: Joshua Layne wrote: What frequencies would this radio support? (850,900,1700,1800,1900,2100) (1700 and 2100 are data only) What data standards? EDGE? UMTS? HSDPA? and on which of the above frequencies? Quad band phones are more common than they used to be but GPRS, even with EDGE, is too slow to carry VoIP traffic. At work, we sell equipment that can do VoIP in under 20 KB/s, which is less than what GPRS is capable of. Also, digital cell phone voice is already in packets. It wouldn't take much to add an IP header to it. -- Use OpenOffice.org http://www.openoffice.org ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
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I take some of that back -- I remember using PGPfone over a dialup in '95 and its performance at the time was impressive. Compare that to the first GSM network going live in '91. But PKI's use in GSM is only for network authentication and not en/decipherment of all traffic. Either way, networks and mobile stations are constantly being upgraded which is why Bluetooth tethering is a boon for anyone that's not as keen on upgrading every year or two. -Gary ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
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Joshua Layne wrote: What frequencies would this radio support? (850,900,1700,1800,1900,2100) (1700 and 2100 are data only) What data standards? EDGE? UMTS? HSDPA? and on which of the above frequencies? Quad band phones are more common than they used to be but GPRS, even with EDGE, is too slow to carry VoIP traffic. I'm just of the opinion that Nokia already has a Symbian smart phone line (the communicator 9000 and E90 series) and if they wanted to make the N700/800/810 in to the same kind of product that they'd have done so from the beginning -- unless they're just testing the waters with the Linux platform as the only real experience they have with it is in the hardened IPSO BSD/Linux firewall OS variant. Of course, whether any of those 3 dev groups work together or not is a mystery to me. I've worked for even small to mid-size orgs (less than 150 people) where you can still discover people across the building working with the same tech you've been twiddling with for just as long. So I can see Nokia making future Maemo products with voice integration but to discard the purely IP based platform would be, in my opinion, unfortunate. -Gary ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
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Adilson Oliveira wrote: Some time later he told me he spent about 30 minutes answering a lot of questions about why was he buying a cellphone without a cellphone plan. Heh. I had a similar run-in ordering my N810 directly from Nokia (with the dev discount coupon, IIRC). They had to do all this personal identity verification crap (addresses I'd lived at 10 years ago, etc.) and I finally asked them wtf was going on. So if Nokia's own (outsourced?) call centers don't know the difference, I'm not suprised that others are just as clueless. I wonder if they'd do the same thing if I bought a Nokia firewall appliance through their website -- which probably isn't possible but it'd still be funny. Can I get your mother's maiden name, sir? Yes, Lady Ada Lovelace, analogue computer programmer. As for Sprint, Nokia et al being the first to run with 4G, more power to 'em. NTT DoCoMo's been testing 4G for the past couple of years so it'll be fun to see who's the first out of the starting gate. http://www.nttdocomo.com/pr/2007/001319.html. S. Korea's mobile market is no slouch, either. -Gary ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
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On Fri, 25 Jan 2008 00:22:44 -0500, Jonathan Greene [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's pretty painless to switch the SIM card out. As long as it's open and not packaged from the carrier there should be no issue. I purchased an N95 NAM (north american) from the Nokia Store and put my iPhone ATT sim in and have been using it that way since ... no issues - though the the MMS service is blocked, thanks to Apple and ATT. My data service is smooth and I've got 3.5G service now. If the radio and SIM slot are there you could use it anywhere and on any carrier that supported the bands. What frequencies would this radio support? (850,900,1700,1800,1900,2100) (1700 and 2100 are data only) What data standards? EDGE? UMTS? HSDPA? and on which of the above frequencies? GSM is a standard with a lot of variation and some inconsistency globally. I don't like carrying another device, but I think it would add a lot to the cost (and maybe size) to add a really good GSM chipset with good worldwide data and voice coverage (and at least 3.5G) - you don't see to many even in pure phones. Rgds. j. ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
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If you visit that www page you will see that they refer to the N800 as a Nokia N800 Internet Tablet Cell Phone LOL. That's classic. And it's overpriced. -- Thanks, Aaron Newcomb http://www.thesourceshow.org http://www.opennewsshow.org ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
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I can't imagine Nokia commenting on this publicly ... I agree though - dedicated wireless would be very cool. The first take will be the WiMax enabled device which should show itself sometime in Q2 from what I've read. You'll need to live in a place that can take advantage of this of course, but at least the wireless is or can be always on. A SIM slot and 3G radio would be killer imho though. Nokia does not currently offer a 3G device that works in all regions so they'd have to make multiple sku's which is perhaps not what they want to do given the lower number of sales (presumably) the tablet brings in compared with more widely sold handsets. They are certainly into selling open (carrier free) devices though so who knows... On Jan 24, 2008 11:38 AM, Aaron Newcomb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OK enthusiasts, when is this going to happen? I talked about this a lot with attendees of the last Ohio LInuxfest and it is clear that the next generation of this device needs a phone. I know that there will be squabbles with the carriers about not being able to lock down the features (in the US at least), but I am convinced that this device would sell millions of units if it was a phone along with all the other great things that it does already. I think the relative success of the iPhone is proof that people are willing to pay for it. If the cost can stay on par with the iPhone or even slightly more people would flock to an all-in-one device that you can develop and run your own apps on. I fall into the group of people who need to be on my cell phone a lot for work and I carry my laptop around for access to the web (email, calendar, short browsing sessions). I also carry a media player for video and audio playback. I can't stand Blackberry or Treo phones. Most of the people I work with have them and hate them. So, as I see it the N810 meets 2 out of 3 of my needs, but that third one (cell phone) is where I spend most of my work time and I just can't justify the cost unless I can get that last component. For no extra charge ... I am happy to use a wired or bluetooth headset or speakerphone. I don't need to hold the device up to my head. I have gotten past the Ma Bell days of yesteryear. Does anyone have an inside scoop on this? Is this even in the labs at this point? Am I out of my mind or is this next step the most important one in the evolution of the product? -- Thanks, Aaron Newcomb http://www.thesourceshow.org http://www.opennewsshow.org ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users -- Jonathan Greene +1.914.750.8740 AIM / iChat - atmasphere gtalk / jabber - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Skype / Gizmo - JonathanGreene blogs - http://www.atmasphere.net/wp / http://www.maemoapps.com ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
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On Thu, Jan 24, 2008 at 11:38:29AM -0500, Aaron Newcomb wrote: OK enthusiasts, when is this going to happen? I talked about this a lot with attendees of the last Ohio LInuxfest and it is clear that the next generation of this device needs a phone. I know that there will This is quite timely, since the FCC spectrum auction just went up today: https://auctionsignon.fcc.gov/signon/index.htm So don't look backward to 20th Century technology, look forward to ubiquitous wireless access, making VOIP a reality and ditching those SIM cards forever. hey, i can dream, right? K -- In Vino Veritas http://astroturfgarden.com signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
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So don't look backward to 20th Century technology, look forward to ubiquitous wireless access, making VOIP a reality and ditching those SIM cards forever. I couldn't agree more. The Internet Tablets are for the post-phone era (which, IMO, can't come soon enough). -- My Universe is my eyes and my ears. Anything else is hearsay. --The ruler of the Universe http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/shouldbefree.html ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
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Absolutely NOT. I use Skype and Gizmo on my device and have no need for cell phone companies. I sure hope NONE of the current cell phone companies win the FCC auction. tim On 01/24/2008 08:38, Aaron Newcomb wrote: OK enthusiasts, when is this going to happen? I talked about this a lot with attendees of the last Ohio LInuxfest and it is clear that the next generation of this device needs a phone. I know that there will be squabbles with the carriers about not being able to lock down the features (in the US at least), but I am convinced that this device would sell millions of units if it was a phone along with all the other great things that it does already. ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
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2008/1/24, Tim Ashman [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Absolutely NOT. I use Skype and Gizmo on my device and have no need for cell phone companies. But when there's no WiFi access point available, then a GSM/3G phone connection is really handy (German joke)... ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
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On Jan 24, 2008 2:32 PM, Tim Ashman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Absolutely NOT. I use Skype and Gizmo on my device and have no need for cell phone companies. Don't get me wrong. I love the fact that I can use Skype or Gizmo and make calls from the current models. However, I am on the road a lot and not close to WiFi. At the very least I need cellular broadband (would my current Verizon dongle work?) capability and that is spotty much of the time. Personal calls are one thing, but I can't be on the phone for an important customer call and have the quality go to pieces. Just through a cell modem in there and call it a day. Hopefully someday we won't need them, but for now ... -- Thanks, Aaron Newcomb http://www.thesourceshow.org http://www.opennewsshow.org ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
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On Jan 24, 2008 5:59 PM, Aaron Newcomb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jan 24, 2008 2:32 PM, Tim Ashman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Absolutely NOT. I use Skype and Gizmo on my device and have no need for cell phone companies. Don't get me wrong. I love the fact that I can use Skype or Gizmo and make calls from the current models. However, I am on the road a lot and not close to WiFi. At the very least I need cellular broadband (would my current Verizon dongle work?) capability and that is spotty much of the time. Personal calls are one thing, but I can't be on the phone for an important customer call and have the quality go to pieces. Just through a cell modem in there and call it a day. Hopefully someday we won't need them, but for now ... I agree, add cell phone support to the next tablet and it'll be the killer device (yeah, I know the battery usage issue). ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
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On 25/01/2008, at 7:13 AM, Alfredo J. Fabretti wrote: I agree, add cell phone support to the next tablet and it'll be the killer device (yeah, I know the battery usage issue). Yeah, and then we would have to sign with a telephone company too, a la iPhone + ATT deal... ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
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On Jan 24, 2008 8:01 PM, Julio Biason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 25/01/2008, at 7:13 AM, Alfredo J. Fabretti wrote: I agree, add cell phone support to the next tablet and it'll be the killer device (yeah, I know the battery usage issue). Yeah, and then we would have to sign with a telephone company too, a la iPhone + ATT deal... That's not a problem, there's always a crack to unlock the phone :) ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
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Aaron, the N800 and N810 Internet Tablet are what I would call pre-4g mobile devices. Nokia has asserted that is is going to launch a WIMAX version of the Internet Tablet for use on Sprint's Xohm (WIMAX) Network. If Nokia follows through on its announced intent (I think they will), then that version of the Internet Tablet can probably lay claim to being the first 4g mobile device in the world, since it will be all IP all the time and will be running on a network (XOHM) that Sprint is claiming to be a 4g network. I have not seen a release date for this product from Nokia but I would expect it to be out in the first half of this year. Sprint is already testing the WIMAX service with employees (so-called friends and family if you will) before a full rollout in the Washington DC area and one other market. Here is the url to the www page at the Xohm www site for the partnerships that Sprint has for the XOHM service: http://www.xohm.com/xohm_about_partnership.html Best Regards, John Holmblad Acadia Secure Networks, LLC Aaron Newcomb wrote: OK enthusiasts, when is this going to happen? I talked about this a lot with attendees of the last Ohio LInuxfest and it is clear that the next generation of this device needs a phone. I know that there will be squabbles with the carriers about not being able to lock down the features (in the US at least), but I am convinced that this device would sell millions of units if it was a phone along with all the other great things that it does already. I think the relative success of the iPhone is proof that people are willing to pay for it. If the cost can stay on par with the iPhone or even slightly more people would flock to an all-in-one device that you can develop and run your own apps on. I fall into the group of people who need to be on my cell phone a lot for work and I carry my laptop around for access to the web (email, calendar, short browsing sessions). I also carry a media player for video and audio playback. I can't stand Blackberry or Treo phones. Most of the people I work with have them and hate them. So, as I see it the N810 meets 2 out of 3 of my needs, but that third one (cell phone) is where I spend most of my work time and I just can't justify the cost unless I can get that last component. For no extra charge ... I am happy to use a wired or bluetooth headset or speakerphone. I don't need to hold the device up to my head. I have gotten past the Ma Bell days of yesteryear. Does anyone have an inside scoop on this? Is this even in the labs at this point? Am I out of my mind or is this next step the most important one in the evolution of the product? ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
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Interestingly clearwire announced they plan to offer voip using sip today. As I am sure you all know they are sprint's partner in wimax so it's not hard to connect the dots here. We already have a sip stack and always on makes it quite easy to do voice ... Assuming you live or work within an available market. On 1/24/08, John Holmblad [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Aaron, the N800 and N810 Internet Tablet are what I would call pre-4g mobile devices. Nokia has asserted that is is going to launch a WIMAX version of the Internet Tablet for use on Sprint's Xohm (WIMAX) Network. If Nokia follows through on its announced intent (I think they will), then that version of the Internet Tablet can probably lay claim to being the first 4g mobile device in the world, since it will be all IP all the time and will be running on a network (XOHM) that Sprint is claiming to be a 4g network. I have not seen a release date for this product from Nokia but I would expect it to be out in the first half of this year. Sprint is already testing the WIMAX service with employees (so-called friends and family if you will) before a full rollout in the Washington DC area and one other market. Here is the url to the www page at the Xohm www site for the partnerships that Sprint has for the XOHM service: http://www.xohm.com/xohm_about_partnership.html Best Regards, John Holmblad Acadia Secure Networks, LLC Aaron Newcomb wrote: OK enthusiasts, when is this going to happen? I talked about this a lot with attendees of the last Ohio LInuxfest and it is clear that the next generation of this device needs a phone. I know that there will be squabbles with the carriers about not being able to lock down the features (in the US at least), but I am convinced that this device would sell millions of units if it was a phone along with all the other great things that it does already. I think the relative success of the iPhone is proof that people are willing to pay for it. If the cost can stay on par with the iPhone or even slightly more people would flock to an all-in-one device that you can develop and run your own apps on. I fall into the group of people who need to be on my cell phone a lot for work and I carry my laptop around for access to the web (email, calendar, short browsing sessions). I also carry a media player for video and audio playback. I can't stand Blackberry or Treo phones. Most of the people I work with have them and hate them. So, as I see it the N810 meets 2 out of 3 of my needs, but that third one (cell phone) is where I spend most of my work time and I just can't justify the cost unless I can get that last component. For no extra charge ... I am happy to use a wired or bluetooth headset or speakerphone. I don't need to hold the device up to my head. I have gotten past the Ma Bell days of yesteryear. Does anyone have an inside scoop on this? Is this even in the labs at this point? Am I out of my mind or is this next step the most important one in the evolution of the product? ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users -- Jonathan Greene +1.914.750.8740 AIM / iChat - atmasphere gtalk / jabber - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Skype / Gizmo - JonathanGreene blogs - http://www.atmasphere.net/wp / http://www.maemoapps.com ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
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On 01/24/2008 11:49, sebastian maemo wrote: 2008/1/24, Tim Ashman [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Absolutely NOT. I use Skype and Gizmo on my device and have no need for cell phone companies. But when there's no WiFi access point available, then a GSM/3G phone connection is really handy (German joke)... Yes it would be. I still have a cell phone I just use it under duress. tim ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
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Clearwire has offered voip for the broadband wireless service around here for almost a year in our area (Seattle, WA USA). I think our area has been part of their beta test. Bandwidth seems to be a modest problem in our local experience because Clearwire wireless broadband is a popular option in our semi rural area where cable and DSL have spotty availability, at best. It's possible that there's only one local hot spot for Clearwire Wireless with lots of folks logging into the system. We seem to have an 'evening' traffic jam almost daily until 10 pm. Possibly some sort of Warcraft/XBox Live overload -- when the kids in the are go to bed, the bandwidth seems to increase markedly. We tried the voip with Clearwire Wireless early last year when they first opened up to voip -- it was marginal at times. I still occasionally use my n800 to make calls from my home via Gizmo. It works fine, when the bandwidth is good. It's all undoubtably something that is being constantly dealt with by some local technology/bandwidth upgrades by Clearwire. In general, we've been happy with Clearwire Wireless. You can also take the modem with you and get Clearwire wireless broadband anywhere it's available. You're not limited to any particular address. Jonathan Greene wrote: Interestingly clearwire announced they plan to offer voip using sip today. As I am sure you all know they are sprint's partner in wimax so it's not hard to connect the dots here. We already have a sip stack and always on makes it quite easy to do voice ... Assuming you live or work within an available market. On 1/24/08, John Holmblad [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Aaron, the N800 and N810 Internet Tablet are what I would call pre-4g mobile devices. Nokia has asserted that is is going to launch a WIMAX version of the Internet Tablet for use on Sprint's Xohm (WIMAX) Network. If Nokia follows through on its announced intent (I think they will), then that version of the Internet Tablet can probably lay claim to being the first 4g mobile device in the world, since it will be all IP all the time and will be running on a network (XOHM) that Sprint is claiming to be a 4g network. I have not seen a release date for this product from Nokia but I would expect it to be out in the first half of this year. Sprint is already testing the WIMAX service with employees (so-called friends and family if you will) before a full rollout in the Washington DC area and one other market. Here is the url to the www page at the Xohm www site for the partnerships that Sprint has for the XOHM service: http://www.xohm.com/xohm_about_partnership.html Best Regards, John Holmblad Acadia Secure Networks, LLC Aaron Newcomb wrote: OK enthusiasts, when is this going to happen? I talked about this a lot with attendees of the last Ohio LInuxfest and it is clear that the next generation of this device needs a phone. I know that there will be squabbles with the carriers about not being able to lock down the features (in the US at least), but I am convinced that this device would sell millions of units if it was a phone along with all the other great things that it does already. I think the relative success of the iPhone is proof that people are willing to pay for it. If the cost can stay on par with the iPhone or even slightly more people would flock to an all-in-one device that you can develop and run your own apps on. I fall into the group of people who need to be on my cell phone a lot for work and I carry my laptop around for access to the web (email, calendar, short browsing sessions). I also carry a media player for video and audio playback. I can't stand Blackberry or Treo phones. Most of the people I work with have them and hate them. So, as I see it the N810 meets 2 out of 3 of my needs, but that third one (cell phone) is where I spend most of my work time and I just can't justify the cost unless I can get that last component. For no extra charge ... I am happy to use a wired or bluetooth headset or speakerphone. I don't need to hold the device up to my head. I have gotten past the Ma Bell days of yesteryear. Does anyone have an inside scoop on this? Is this even in the labs at this point? Am I out of my mind or is this next step the most important one in the evolution of the product? ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Nokia NXXX With A Phone!
Since adding GSM capability would bulk up the basic unit, it seems that perhaps an external GSM enabler would be a good move. Connect via Bluetooth. Maybe even make it work as a speaker/mike, so I don't have to wave the Internet tablet around in the air to use the phone. It might look like this: http://www.nokiahowto.com/link?cid=EDITORIAL_217558 There are compromises to be made whether you take the integrated route (a la iPhone) or the component route (a la Nokia). I have an N800, a phone, a foldup keyboard and I'm contemplating a tiny GPS receiver, all communicating via Bluetooth. Each is optimized for its purpose and I only carry that parts that I want at the moment. The downside is that I have a lot of parts. The iPhone owner has a different set of compromises to make; the virtual keyboard sucks, the GPS-like GSM tower triangulation is interesting but inaccurate, and as a phone it's not nearly as rugged and pocketable as my clamshell. And it's a closed system. I'd be more than happy to see Nokia offer an all-in-one device but I sure would prefer to continue to be offered the choice. ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
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On Jan 24, 2008 5:01 PM, Julio Biason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 25/01/2008, at 7:13 AM, Alfredo J. Fabretti wrote: I agree, add cell phone support to the next tablet and it'll be the killer device (yeah, I know the battery usage issue). Yeah, and then we would have to sign with a telephone company too, a la iPhone + ATT deal... That's in part up to Nokia. They can release the phone without a deal if they choose and then the phone would be unlocked. Of course that means less revenue for them, but it has to be better to increase market share and miss out on a little revenue. It's not like it is a brand new product like the iPhone or OpenMoko. They are ahead of the game thanks to this wonderful community. Cmon Nokia! Step up to the plate! It's time to give back. -- Thanks, Aaron Newcomb http://www.thesourceshow.org http://www.opennewsshow.org ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
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On Thu, 24 Jan 2008, Steve Yelvington wrote: There are compromises to be made whether you take the integrated route (a la iPhone) or the component route (a la Nokia). I have an N800, a The great thing about bluetooth tethering is that you can switch carriers and not have to replace your tethered device at the same time. Integrating a phone (and the wireless telephony it's tied to, CDMA, GSM, etc.) would be a bad idea and considering the business they're in, Nokia would have probably done this in the first place if they'd thought it would work. As it stands, I can't envision them adding anything but WiMAX or its successor in the future. -Gary ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
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It's pretty painless to switch the SIM card out. As long as it's open and not packaged from the carrier there should be no issue. I purchased an N95 NAM (north american) from the Nokia Store and put my iPhone ATT sim in and have been using it that way since ... no issues - though the the MMS service is blocked, thanks to Apple and ATT. My data service is smooth and I've got 3.5G service now. If the radio and SIM slot are there you could use it anywhere and on any carrier that supported the bands. On Jan 24, 2008 11:58 PM, Gary [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 24 Jan 2008, Steve Yelvington wrote: There are compromises to be made whether you take the integrated route (a la iPhone) or the component route (a la Nokia). I have an N800, a The great thing about bluetooth tethering is that you can switch carriers and not have to replace your tethered device at the same time. Integrating a phone (and the wireless telephony it's tied to, CDMA, GSM, etc.) would be a bad idea and considering the business they're in, Nokia would have probably done this in the first place if they'd thought it would work. As it stands, I can't envision them adding anything but WiMAX or its successor in the future. -Gary ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users -- Jonathan Greene +1.914.750.8740 AIM / iChat - atmasphere gtalk / jabber - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Skype / Gizmo - JonathanGreene blogs - http://www.atmasphere.net/wp / http://www.maemoapps.com ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Nokia NXXX With A Phone!
On Fri, 25 Jan 2008, Jonathan Greene wrote: It's pretty painless to switch the SIM card out. As long as it's open and not packaged from the carrier there should be no issue. I use GSM myself so I'm familiar with how easy it is to swap SIMs. But only two carriers in the U.S. are GSM. Sprint and Verizon are neither. Then consider that there are countries like Japan and Korea where 4G is already prevalent. So unless you can get every carrier on the planet to switch to compatible technologies that can use SIM cards, you're not convincing me. -Gary ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
