Re: [Mageia-dev] [changelog] cauldron core/release task-obsolete-3-56.mga3

2013-01-28 Thread Guillaume Rousse

Le 28/01/2013 08:05, Jose Jorge a écrit :

Le 28/01/2013 00:53, David Walser a écrit :

zezinho wrote:

Name: task-obsoleteRelocations: (not
relocatable)
Version : 3 Vendor: Mageia.Org
Release : 56.mga3   Build Date: Sun Jan 27
12:28:18 2013

zezinhozezinho  3-56.mga3:
+ Revision: 392711
- zsnes removed


Why!??  I don't want this removed from my system!


AFAIK, our policy is to obsolete any package that is no more in the
distro. You can still install the MGA2 rpm if you remove task-obsolete...
No, that's false. You have to remove obsoletes package from mirrors, 
there is no obligation to remove it from end user machines.


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BOFH excuse #259:

Someone's tie is caught in the printer, and if anything else gets 
printed, he'll be in it too.


Re: [Mageia-dev] [changelog] cauldron core/release task-obsolete-3-56.mga3

2013-01-28 Thread Jose Jorge

Le 28/01/2013 09:53, Guillaume Rousse a écrit :

No, that's false. You have to remove obsoletes package from mirrors,
there is no obligation to remove it from end user machines.



And isn't the purpose of task-obsoletes to remove from mirrors?
The same discussion happened here when proprietary java was removed from 
the distro, let's not start it again...


Re: [Mageia-dev] [changelog] cauldron core/release task-obsolete-3-56.mga3

2013-01-28 Thread Pascal Terjan
On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 11:37 AM, Jose Jorge lists.jjo...@free.fr wrote:
 Le 28/01/2013 09:53, Guillaume Rousse a écrit :

 No, that's false. You have to remove obsoletes package from mirrors,
 there is no obligation to remove it from end user machines.


 And isn't the purpose of task-obsoletes to remove from mirrors?

No, it is to remove from users machine when the packages will not
work/break other things/have security problems/... and there is no
replacement

 The same discussion happened here when proprietary java was removed from the
 distro, let's not start it again...


Re: [Mageia-dev] [changelog] cauldron core/release task-obsolete-3-56.mga3

2013-01-28 Thread Jose Jorge

Le 28/01/2013 13:26, Pascal Terjan a écrit :

And isn't the purpose of task-obsoletes to remove from mirrors?


No, it is to remove from users machine when the packages will not
work/break other things/have security problems/... and there is no
replacement



So I badly understood the wiki :

https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Packaging_guidelines#Obsoleting_a_package


Re: [Mageia-dev] [changelog] cauldron core/release task-obsolete-3-56.mga3

2013-01-28 Thread Pascal Terjan
On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 6:07 PM, Jose Jorge lists.jjo...@free.fr wrote:
 Le 28/01/2013 13:26, Pascal Terjan a écrit :

 And isn't the purpose of task-obsoletes to remove from mirrors?


 No, it is to remove from users machine when the packages will not
 work/break other things/have security problems/... and there is no
 replacement


 So I badly understood the wiki :

 https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Packaging_guidelines#Obsoleting_a_package

I think there was a discussion recently about defining it better :)


Re: [Mageia-dev] [changelog] cauldron core/release task-obsolete-3-56.mga3

2013-01-28 Thread AL13N
Op zondag 27 januari 2013 18:53:10 schreef David Walser:
 zezinho wrote:
  Name: task-obsoleteRelocations: (not relocatable)
  Version : 3 Vendor: Mageia.Org
  Release : 56.mga3   Build Date: Sun Jan 27
  12:28:18 2013
  
  zezinho zezinho 3-56.mga3:
  + Revision: 392711
  - zsnes removed
 
 Why!??  I don't want this removed from my system!

a reason to why it was removed would've been better


Re: [Mageia-dev] [changelog] cauldron core/release task-obsolete-3-56.mga3

2013-01-28 Thread David Walser
--- On Mon, 1/28/13, AL13N al...@rmail.be wrote:
 From: AL13N al...@rmail.be
 Subject: Re: [Mageia-dev] [changelog] cauldron core/release 
 task-obsolete-3-56.mga3
 To: mageia-dev@mageia.org
 Cc: David Walser luigiwal...@yahoo.com
 Date: Monday, January 28, 2013, 2:08 PM
 Op zondag 27 januari 2013 18:53:10
 schreef David Walser:
  zezinho wrote:
   Name        :
 task-obsolete           
     Relocations: (not relocatable)
   Version     : 3   
                
              Vendor:
 Mageia.Org
   Release     : 56.mga3 
                
      Build Date: Sun Jan 27
   12:28:18 2013
   
   zezinho zezinho 3-56.mga3:
   + Revision: 392711
   - zsnes removed
  
  Why!??  I don't want this removed from my system!
 
 a reason to why it was removed would've been better

The way we usually handle removing packages from the distro is there's some 
discussion about it on the list first, not just a packager unilaterally 
deciding it.  Even if it was agreed to remove this one from the distro, putting 
it in task-obsolete in this case is not appropriate.


Re: [Mageia-dev] [changelog] cauldron core/release task-obsolete-3-56.mga3

2013-01-27 Thread David Walser
zezinho wrote:
 Name: task-obsoleteRelocations: (not relocatable)
 Version : 3 Vendor: Mageia.Org
 Release : 56.mga3   Build Date: Sun Jan 27 12:28:18 
 2013
 
 zezinho zezinho 3-56.mga3:
 + Revision: 392711
 - zsnes removed

Why!??  I don't want this removed from my system!



Re: [Mageia-dev] [changelog] cauldron core/release task-obsolete-3-56.mga3

2013-01-27 Thread Jose Jorge

Le 28/01/2013 00:53, David Walser a écrit :

zezinho wrote:

Name: task-obsoleteRelocations: (not relocatable)
Version : 3 Vendor: Mageia.Org
Release : 56.mga3   Build Date: Sun Jan 27 12:28:18 2013

zezinhozezinho  3-56.mga3:
+ Revision: 392711
- zsnes removed


Why!??  I don't want this removed from my system!

AFAIK, our policy is to obsolete any package that is no more in the 
distro. You can still install the MGA2 rpm if you remove task-obsolete...