Re: [Mageia-dev] What do you think about create a Mageia Welcome Center?
Le 10/10/2010 02:25, André Machado a écrit : I don't think a GUID would be very useful. When I installed Mandriva, I installed it on one machine, setup the configurations the way I wanted them, and then cloned the hd for 4 other systems. The GUID would be identical on all four systems. Though I am against this idea, there is more unique-ID elements in a computer, such like: * Network Interface Card MAC address; * Hard disk serial number (not the formatting one); * BIOS serial number, BIOS date... A GUID could be formed by HDD serial number + Mac Address + installed RAM Memory + a code to identify processor type, all this treated by a code generated on the date and time of installation. But I think that this is a negative point and people will compare us with a certain enterprise. ;) Have you ever heard of Smolt ? http://smolt.fedoraproject.org/ https://fedorahosted.org/smolt/ Regards, Thomas
Re: [Mageia-dev] What do you think about create a Mageia Welcome Center?
Le 2010-10-08 09:46, Florian Hubold a écrit : Am 30.09.2010 12:34, schrieb Olivier Méjean: Le jeudi 30 septembre 2010 12:19:43, Robert Xu a écrit : Is a survey necessary ? It's not really necessary. For example, in mandriva my laptop had no internet when booting the first time, as my wireless needs a firmware. So i never completed the survey, and as it only started on the first boot, mandriva never got any real data from me. Maybe when the infrastructure is up and some releases were made, this can be discussed again. For these installations, there could be a case made for preparing an initial form, with the users consent of course, that could be transmitted later, again with user knowledge and consent. It is still to Mageia's advantage, both from a development point of view and marketing point of view, to be aware of the instances of installations. It doesn't have to be an accurate amount, for that matter, it could be an approximation of the amount of installations. This could also be done at the point of download monitoring, as suggested elsewhere, with unique IP's being taken into account. I am more in favour of doing both, but more interested of the at installation and filling a short survey for Mageia stat purposes. This is a more concrete way measuring user participation in the project. Marc
Re: [Mageia-dev] What do you think about create a Mageia Welcome Center?
I liked Wobo's opinions about Mageia Central. Júnior 2010/10/2 andré and...@laposte.net Wolfgang Bornath a écrit : 2010/9/30 andréand...@laposte.net: The MCC (Mandriva Control Centre, to become Mageia Control Centre) already has most if not all the hardware configuration elements. How about adding an information page to the MCC ? More like a DocumentationHelp section like the other sections. You can have an icon for the main Mageia site, one for the local wiki page according to the selected language, one for the local forum, etc. whatever fits in there. Exactly. You can even add an icon for the donation page :) Good point. This is IMHO the most attraccting idea I have read so far. Then the MCC should be renamed to Mageia Central. Like a one-stop shopping mall for configuration, information and help. Mageia Central has a nice ring to it. And sums it up nicely. :) - André (andre999)
Re: [Mageia-dev] What do you think about create a Mageia Welcome Center?
On Thu, 30 Sep 2010 00:49:34 + (UTC), André Machado wrote about Re: [Mageia-dev] What do you think about create a Mageia Welcome Center?: Think in emotive computer. Think that user starts up your computer and sees a window with text: Good morning/afternon/night username!. And in another line, You have 3 new e-mails. And on side, tue current weather and, below, a list of user compromises for that day, all together the hardware information and shortcuts for common tasks and diagnostic tests of hardware and software, and a warning that package updates are available! - yes, I had all these new ideas now! Well, YMMV, but that is precisely the kind of computer I want to have only as far away from me as possible: I want to be in control, I have enough emotions at work, at home, in transport and in recreation - I want my boxen to be tools without *any* emotion or interest in me, just let them do for me what I choose to imagine as far as they can. No more no less. Also, it does not have to approach the looks of a mobile phone. Anyway, I'll see what Mageia gives when it is there. So far she remains my best choice still. (Compare my headers ;) Ciao, =Dick Gevers=
Re: [Mageia-dev] What do you think about create a Mageia Welcome Center?
Le mercredi 29 septembre 2010 à 20:53 -0400, Ireneusz Gierlach a écrit : I just hope there won't be a survey when you first install, because if you have no internet it doesn't let you do anything. You have to like go to console and do not cool stuff. I guess as long as it is not invasive it will be fine. Then we need to fix it so it cope with no internet access, not disable it. -- Michael Scherer ___ Mageia-dev mailing list Mageia-dev@mageia.org https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev
Re: [Mageia-dev] What do you think about create a Mageia Welcome Center?
On Sep 30, 2010, at 5:23, Michael Scherer m...@zarb.org wrote: Le mercredi 29 septembre 2010 à 20:53 -0400, Ireneusz Gierlach a écrit : I just hope there won't be a survey when you first install, because if you have no internet it doesn't let you do anything. You have to like go to console and do not cool stuff. I guess as long as it is not invasive it will be fine. Then we need to fix it so it cope with no internet access, not disable it. Maybe the first time connected to the internet the survey should appear? -- later, Robert Xu ___ Mageia-dev mailing list Mageia-dev@mageia.org https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev
Re: [Mageia-dev] What do you think about create a Mageia Welcome Center?
2010/9/30 Robert Xu rob...@gmail.com: On Sep 30, 2010, at 5:23, Michael Scherer m...@zarb.org wrote: Le mercredi 29 septembre 2010 à 20:53 -0400, Ireneusz Gierlach a écrit : I just hope there won't be a survey when you first install, because if you have no internet it doesn't let you do anything. You have to like go to console and do not cool stuff. I guess as long as it is not invasive it will be fine. Then we need to fix it so it cope with no internet access, not disable it. Maybe the first time connected to the internet the survey should appear? -- later, Robert Xu Why we' re talking about a survey? Do we need this? We are not a company and think about customer happiness. I thought this thread is about a informational and/or assistance application for newbies. If we' re talking about a Welcome Center, we should decide if it is only an informative html page or an assistance to configure basic things or both. ___ Mageia-dev mailing list Mageia-dev@mageia.org https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev
Re: [Mageia-dev] What do you think about create a Mageia Welcome Center?
Le jeudi 30 septembre 2010 à 13:38 +0300, atilla ontas a écrit : 2010/9/30 Robert Xu rob...@gmail.com: On Sep 30, 2010, at 5:23, Michael Scherer m...@zarb.org wrote: Le mercredi 29 septembre 2010 à 20:53 -0400, Ireneusz Gierlach a écrit : I just hope there won't be a survey when you first install, because if you have no internet it doesn't let you do anything. You have to like go to console and do not cool stuff. I guess as long as it is not invasive it will be fine. Then we need to fix it so it cope with no internet access, not disable it. Maybe the first time connected to the internet the survey should appear? -- later, Robert Xu Why we' re talking about a survey? Do we need this? We are not a company and think about customer happiness. I thought this thread is about a informational and/or assistance application for newbies. You do not have to be a company to want to know who use your software. And I think knowing who use the software can be important in term of communication. And that's the first step toward listening users. Now, a automatic survey as done by mdv may not be the best way for us, but this should not be ditched based on we are not a company, we do not need to know who us the software. -- Michael Scherer ___ Mageia-dev mailing list Mageia-dev@mageia.org https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev
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2010/9/30 Michael Scherer m...@zarb.org Le jeudi 30 septembre 2010 à 13:38 +0300, atilla ontas a écrit : 2010/9/30 Robert Xu rob...@gmail.com: On Sep 30, 2010, at 5:23, Michael Scherer m...@zarb.org wrote: Le mercredi 29 septembre 2010 à 20:53 -0400, Ireneusz Gierlach a écrit : I just hope there won't be a survey when you first install, because if you have no internet it doesn't let you do anything. You have to like go to console and do not cool stuff. I guess as long as it is not invasive it will be fine. Then we need to fix it so it cope with no internet access, not disable it. Maybe the first time connected to the internet the survey should appear? -- later, Robert Xu Why we' re talking about a survey? Do we need this? We are not a company and think about customer happiness. I thought this thread is about a informational and/or assistance application for newbies. You do not have to be a company to want to know who use your software. And I think knowing who use the software can be important in term of communication. And that's the first step toward listening users. Now, a automatic survey as done by mdv may not be the best way for us, but this should not be ditched based on we are not a company, we do not need to know who us the software. I rather think that if at all the survey should be an option not something you inevitably get - something for people who feel they are ready to contribute, give back; otherwise it'd be just a nuisance. Marek Laane -- Michael Scherer ___ Mageia-dev mailing list Mageia-dev@mageia.org https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev ___ Mageia-dev mailing list Mageia-dev@mageia.org https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev
Re: [Mageia-dev] What do you think about create a Mageia Welcome Center?
2010/9/30 atilla ontas tarakbu...@gmail.com: Why we' re talking about a survey? Do we need this? We are not a company and think about customer happiness. I thought this thread is about a informational and/or assistance application for newbies. If we' re talking about a Welcome Center, we should decide if it is only an informative html page or an assistance to configure basic things or both. Agreed. Surveys are a nuisance anyway. 1. A large part of survey participants do not tell the truth. 2. A large part of users do not participate so you will not get any real information anyway. 3. If something is wrong with the project, the distribution, user satisfaction or whatever you will know it by user postings in the forums earlier than by surveys. So, at the end of the day, What do you get by surveys to take away? More work to implement and to read them, that's all. ___ Mageia-dev mailing list Mageia-dev@mageia.org https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev
Re: [Mageia-dev] What do you think about create a Mageia Welcome Center?
Le jeudi 30 septembre 2010 à 13:56 +0300, Marek Laane a écrit : I rather think that if at all the survey should be an option not something you inevitably get - something for people who feel they are ready to contribute, give back; otherwise it'd be just a nuisance. Of course. IIRC there was a checkbox do not answer on Mandriva survey. I think I remember that fcrozat told me there was a problem on small screen as the checkbox was hidden, but that was clearly a bug. Anyway, I think that without server side interface, this will not work, and before asking who our users are, we need to have softwares and users :) So the first time survey will likely disappear for now ( and maybe forever, depending on the need and suggestions of marketing ). -- Michael Scherer ___ Mageia-dev mailing list Mageia-dev@mageia.org https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev
Re: [Mageia-dev] What do you think about create a Mageia Welcome Center?
2010/9/30 Wolfgang Bornath molc...@googlemail.com: Agreed. Surveys are a nuisance anyway. 1. A large part of survey participants do not tell the truth. 2. A large part of users do not participate so you will not get any real information anyway. 3. If something is wrong with the project, the distribution, user satisfaction or whatever you will know it by user postings in the forums earlier than by surveys. So, at the end of the day, What do you get by surveys to take away? More work to implement and to read them, that's all. I mean what wobo has written. Besides, forum posts are more effective way to track users opinions about distro and applications. I always hated this survey thing on Mandriva. Also it feels something like a registration to a propierty application or validate a windows install. Many users in Mandriva Turkiye community asked me if they *must* fill survey and register their e-mails. Most of them were new to GNU Linux. I think we should decide if we will implement a Welcome Center/Kaptan to distro and if it is an informative screen or basic configuration tool or both for newbies. I' m not interested in filling the blanks on a survey. Also a survey would be introduced in main web site. Any interested user should fill it. ___ Mageia-dev mailing list Mageia-dev@mageia.org https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev
Re: [Mageia-dev] What do you think about create a Mageia Welcome Center?
2010/9/30 Michael Scherer m...@zarb.org Le jeudi 30 septembre 2010 à 13:56 +0300, Marek Laane a écrit : I rather think that if at all the survey should be an option not something you inevitably get - something for people who feel they are ready to contribute, give back; otherwise it'd be just a nuisance. Of course. IIRC there was a checkbox do not answer on Mandriva survey. I think I remember that fcrozat told me there was a problem on small screen as the checkbox was hidden, but that was clearly a bug. Anyway, I think that without server side interface, this will not work, and before asking who our users are, we need to have softwares and users :) So the first time survey will likely disappear for now ( and maybe forever, depending on the need and suggestions of marketing ). -- Michael Scherer Yeah but what I meant was that Mandriva shows survey and lets user to decline. That I called nuisance. IMHO much better is to let user decide if s/he wants to take it at all, e.g. having on welcome screen Let me take survey or something. Marek Laane ___ Mageia-dev mailing list Mageia-dev@mageia.org https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev
Re: [Mageia-dev] What do you think about create a Mageia, Welcome Center?
Great idea! As I see it, it could be a start for everything and everyone, not only new users. I think good ideas of this is: - to associate user on application\action - to provide offline\online help - to have all updates on one hand (new e-mails, RSS, weather, package updates, etc.) So I think it could be one configurable application that provide some blocks. It can be easily autostarted or not, just as user wants. And it can help us improving distro providing feedback. And I have an idea of creating something like first-time-tour. New people have different wills of their new OS. They have different potential and knowledges about IT and etc. So application can ask a few questions to deside where to start a tour. So if you are a hacker you can go down exact to core, and if you just want to know how to browse internet and listen to music you will not see suck a geek stuff. -- Cheers, Dante. ___ Mageia-dev mailing list Mageia-dev@mageia.org https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev
Re: [Mageia-dev] What do you think about create a Mageia Welcome Center?
André Machado a écrit : - Display on the welcome screen basic hardware information : Processor, RAM, video card and the driver currently activated. Can this be done using HTML pages or need some extra tool? - A link to sysinfo:// that offers some hardware information that could fit inside the welcome center as it is a simple HTML layout. On that page, there can be a link directly to Harddrake to get even more information. Getting system information easily is actually a thing many distros miss, apparently. Is this sysinfo:// default or is implemented by any special tool? But there should be a warning light on such a welcome center : beware the windows-like thing. We really need to think about a new and useful design. Indeed. I guess that Windows Vista/7 has a simmilar tool called Wellcome Center. So, we need think on a better name to avoid lawsuits... Lawsuits ? Unlikely. It's a pretty generic name for the function. However, it seems to me to be the worst thing we can do is emulate Microsoft. We are not a Microsoft bon marché. We must find another name for such a tool. The more I think of it, the more I think that we should develop the tools we already have (with Mandriva). The MCC (Mandriva Control Centre, to become Mageia Control Centre) already has most if not all the hardware configuration elements. How about adding an information page to the MCC ? This information page could be the default load page, with entry of a password delayed until the user progresses further. As you may not know, the MCC is just a script which calls the various configuration pages. As well, the MCC could use more complete documentation at various points. Something not very difficult to add, with a bit of work. - André (andre999) ___ Mageia-dev mailing list Mageia-dev@mageia.org https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev
Re: [Mageia-dev] What do you think about create a Mageia Welcome Center?
2010/9/30 andré and...@laposte.net: The MCC (Mandriva Control Centre, to become Mageia Control Centre) already has most if not all the hardware configuration elements. How about adding an information page to the MCC ? More like a DocumentationHelp section like the other sections. You can have an icon for the main Mageia site, one for the local wiki page according to the selected language, one for the local forum, etc. whatever fits in there. You can even add an icon for the donation page :) This is IMHO the most attraccting idea I have read so far. Then the MCC should be renamed to Mageia Central. Like a one-stop shopping mall for configuration, information and help. ___ Mageia-dev mailing list Mageia-dev@mageia.org https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev
Re: [Mageia-dev] What do you think about create a Mageia Welcome Center?
atilla ontas a écrit : 2010/9/30 Robert Xurob...@gmail.com: On Sep 30, 2010, at 5:23, Michael Schererm...@zarb.org wrote: Le mercredi 29 septembre 2010 à 20:53 -0400, Ireneusz Gierlach a écrit : I just hope there won't be a survey when you first install, because if you have no internet it doesn't let you do anything. You have to like go to console and do not cool stuff. I guess as long as it is not invasive it will be fine. Then we need to fix it so it cope with no internet access, not disable it. Maybe the first time connected to the internet the survey should appear? -- later, Robert Xu Why we' re talking about a survey? Do we need this? We are not a company and think about customer happiness. I thought this thread is about a informational and/or assistance application for newbies. If we' re talking about a Welcome Center, we should decide if it is only an informative html page or an assistance to configure basic things or both. Don't forget that (under Mandriva) there already is a routine to configure the system when one installs or upgrades. I see it every 6 months, with a new version of Mandriva. However, it is not very user-friendly for a novice, and doesn't have very complete help for advanced users. My initial reaction to this idea was that the existing functions would be improved by a welcome centre. But the more I think about it, I'm reminded of the Bob routine and the What do you want to do today slogan of Microsoft. Neither lasted very long. The last think we want to do is dumb down Mageia. That will turn off a lot more people than it will attract, in my view. What will help is a more complete help system on install, much like Ubuntu already has. Mandriva has many assets, this is just one of the weaker points. The way Mandriva works now, all the applications listed in the suggested welcome centre can be readily installed (at least an equivalent by default in most cases), and the default menu system lists every gui application installed. Maybe a guided tour is a good idea, but with the large variety of applications available and the various desktops, it is a lot more complicated than the one-size-fits-all environnement of Microsoft. An idea just came to mind -- instead of a welcome centre, having an option to show the descriptions with the name of each item in a menu page. Currently the description (or comment) only appears on hovering over the item name, which is fine for those already familiar with their Mageia installation. However being able to see all the descriptions at once in the menu page would be really useful for novices. And it wouldn't be dumbing down Mageia. As well as being very easy to implement, as the descriptions are normally already there and localised. (That is part of the XDG menu specs, the norm used by Mandriva, and many other distros.) Just an idea ... - André (andre999) ___ Mageia-dev mailing list Mageia-dev@mageia.org https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev
Re: [Mageia-dev] What do you think about create a Mageia Welcome Center?
Marcello Anni wrote on 09/29/2010 05:28 AM: https://qa.mandriva.com/attachment.cgi?id=17504 I don't like it because there is no end in sight. It would be better to look like the OP, then under what you see with the OP, you could have something like yours with the above item highlighted showing where you are and what is next. Wayne Sallee wa...@waynesallee.com ___ Mageia-dev mailing list Mageia-dev@mageia.org https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev
Re: [Mageia-dev] What do you think about create a Mageia Welcome Center?
+1 It is very important for beginner and old people. It would be configure during the installation. Matthieu Le 29/09/2010 03:13, Adjamilton Medeiros de Almeida Júnior a écrit : Andre, This a great idea. Júnior 2010/9/28 Andre Machado afmach...@dcemail.com mailto:afmach...@dcemail.com We know that many Windows users refuse to migrate to GNU / Linux because of the differences between these two environments. A critical point is the difference between the programs used to perform common tasks. Thinking about it, I had the idea of creating a Mageia Welcome Center. What is this? Basically, when Mageia is installed and user will do his first login - or when a new user is created and will do your first login, after loading the desktop environment, a window like the one I drew below will appear: http://img831.imageshack.us/img831/925/mageiawelcome.png This is a simple idea: this window will show friendly descriptions to commom tasks besides icons of programs used to perform them. So the user will associate the program that needs to use the task that needs doing. When user clicks icon or text, the associated program will be launched. Of course, future we can disable the icons of programs that are not installed or provide a way to add more options. This certainly is a small and easy-to-do program that can be developed in minutes and hides a great easter egg ;) PS: I have the original SVG if someone is interested. ___ Mageia-dev mailing list Mageia-dev@mageia.org mailto:Mageia-dev@mageia.org https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev ___ Mageia-dev mailing list Mageia-dev@mageia.org https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev ___ Mageia-dev mailing list Mageia-dev@mageia.org https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev
Re: [Mageia-dev] What do you think about create a Mageia Welcome Center?
Le 29/09/2010 03:03, Andre Machado a écrit : We know that many Windows users refuse to migrate to GNU / Linux because of the differences between these two environments. A critical point is the difference between the programs used to perform common tasks. Thinking about it, I had the idea of creating a Mageia Welcome Center. What is this? Basically, when Mageia is installed and user will do his first login - or when a new user is created and will do your first login, after loading the desktop environment, a window like the one I drew below will appear: http://img831.imageshack.us/img831/925/mageiawelcome.png i like this idea ! Maât ___ Mageia-dev mailing list Mageia-dev@mageia.org https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev
Re: [Mageia-dev] What do you think about create a Mageia Welcome Center?
On Wednesday 29 September 2010, Maât wrote: http://img831.imageshack.us/img831/925/mageiawelcome.png i like this idea ! I like it too. But it reminds me of the Mandriva welcome page: The welcome center could well be the Mageia welcome page, in the same sense that the Mandriva welcome page had appeared. It could have your suggested layout, and a help tab/pane/button that would go to the welcome text + have links to help documentation. Said that, I think a newbie would appreciate a page that would direct him/her to some documentation like What can I do with my new OS?, How do I access my files/programs? How can I configure/fix things? etc. Said that (flash #2), we may have a dual system of keeping those docs: a cached version stored in an rpm[1] package, and a big button on those (html?) pages like: go to latest version of this page on the Internet. That way, an offline first installation (before network is functional) will still be able to read docs. [1] YES! rpm, not deb, not portage, not .exe or anything else... -- Say NO to spam and viruses. Stop using Microsoft Windows! ___ Mageia-dev mailing list Mageia-dev@mageia.org https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev
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2010/9/29 Maât maat...@vilarem.net: Le 29/09/2010 03:03, Andre Machado a écrit : http://img831.imageshack.us/img831/925/mageiawelcome.png i like this idea ! I like it only for this special case (first time user, etc.). I could imagine it as replacement of the Mandriva Galaxy Welcome screen, which pops up after system start and which can be closed and deactivated with a mouseclick. It may also be nice for large smartphones (aka netbooks).. ___ Mageia-dev mailing list Mageia-dev@mageia.org https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev
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Le 29/09/2010 09:35, P. Christeas a écrit : On Wednesday 29 September 2010, Maât wrote: http://img831.imageshack.us/img831/925/mageiawelcome.png i like this idea ! I like it too. But it reminds me of the Mandriva welcome page: The welcome center could well be the Mageia welcome page, in the same sense that the Mandriva welcome page had appeared. It could have your suggested layout, and a help tab/pane/button that would go to the welcome text + have links to help documentation. Well if we want also the distribution to be interesting for little and bigger companies we certainly have to think the home page of mageia site with more things in mind :) Said that, I think a newbie would appreciate a page that would direct him/her to some documentation like What can I do with my new OS?, How do I access my files/programs? How can I configure/fix things? etc. agreed :) Maât ___ Mageia-dev mailing list Mageia-dev@mageia.org https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev
Re: [Mageia-dev] What do you think about create a Mageia Welcome Center?
2010/9/29 André Machado afmach...@dcemail.com: The welcome center could well be the Mageia welcome page, in the same sense that the Mandriva welcome page had appeared. It could have your suggested layout, and a help tab/pane/button that would go to the welcome text + have links to help documentation. This idea was perfect! Easier to do, easier to maintain and easier to update! Too, we can put more links like: Go to my personal files, Syncronize my mobile devices and Update this system. And we can use a Browser window to do it, without binaries! This is something like Linux Mint does... Maybe you could implement something similar to theirs? (and +1 to the idea in general) -- later, Robert Xu ___ Mageia-dev mailing list Mageia-dev@mageia.org https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev
Re: [Mageia-dev] What do you think about create a Mageia Welcome Center?
On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 5:12 AM, atilla ontas tarakbu...@gmail.com wrote: I suggest to look at Pardus Linux's Kaptan tool. It shows up to assist desktop/system configuration to new user. Such as from network setup to icon theme. Tough it is only KDE app. Wow, this kaptan app looks really really nice, if someone wants to take a look at some screenshots of it (and Pardus in general) see this link: http://www.dedoimedo.com/computers/pardus.html Also the installer looks pretty nice too. -- Juancho ___ Mageia-dev mailing list Mageia-dev@mageia.org https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev
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2010/9/29 Juan Luis Baptiste juan.bapti...@gmail.com On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 5:12 AM, atilla ontas tarakbu...@gmail.com wrote: I suggest to look at Pardus Linux's Kaptan tool. It shows up to assist desktop/system configuration to new user. Such as from network setup to icon theme. Tough it is only KDE app. Wow, this kaptan app looks really really nice, if someone wants to take a look at some screenshots of it (and Pardus in general) see this link: http://www.dedoimedo.com/computers/pardus.html Also the installer looks pretty nice too. I remember something like Kaptan was used in KDE many-many years ago (KDE2 probably?) -- Juancho ___ Mageia-dev mailing list Mageia-dev@mageia.org https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev ___ Mageia-dev mailing list Mageia-dev@mageia.org https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev
Re: [Mageia-dev] What do you think about create a Mageia Welcome Center?
I guess the Welcome Center could also be a place to offer two other links/tools : - A button to link directly to the community page, introducing the forums and all the other community services. - Display on the welcome screen basic hardware information : Processor, RAM, video card and the driver currently activated. - A link to sysinfo:// that offers some hardware information that could fit inside the welcome center as it is a simple HTML layout. On that page, there can be a link directly to Harddrake to get even more information. Getting system information easily is actually a thing many distros miss, apparently. But there should be a warning light on such a welcome center : beware the windows-like thing. We really need to think about a new and useful design. ___ Mageia-dev mailing list Mageia-dev@mageia.org https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev
Re: [Mageia-dev] What do you think about create a Mageia Welcome Center?
Maybe firts, you should decide what would the Welcome Center do. I mean, Kaptan is a configuration tool. Display links is more a kind of information page. So, the Welcome Center should be an info page, or a full featured tool that can set most common things for newbies? Personally, I like the Kaptan idea. Don't know if it's possible to port it to Mageia from developers' POV. Cheers! Gustavo Giampaoli (aka tavillo1980) ___ Mageia-dev mailing list Mageia-dev@mageia.org https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev
Re: [Mageia-dev] What do you think about create a Mageia Welcome Center?
On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 11:50 AM, Gustavo Giampaoli giampaoli.gust...@gmail.com wrote: Personally, I like the Kaptan idea. Don't know if it's possible to port it to Mageia from developers' POV. Me too, I'm downoading the iso right now to take a look at it. -- Juancho ___ Mageia-dev mailing list Mageia-dev@mageia.org https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev
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2010/9/29 Marek Laane b...@smail.ee: 2010/9/29 Juan Luis Baptiste juan.bapti...@gmail.com On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 5:12 AM, atilla ontas tarakbu...@gmail.com wrote: I suggest to look at Pardus Linux's Kaptan tool. It shows up to assist desktop/system configuration to new user. Such as from network setup to icon theme. Tough it is only KDE app. Wow, this kaptan app looks really really nice, if someone wants to take a look at some screenshots of it (and Pardus in general) see this link: http://www.dedoimedo.com/computers/pardus.html Also the installer looks pretty nice too. I remember something like Kaptan was used in KDE many-many years ago (KDE2 probably?) -- Juancho ___ Mageia-dev mailing list Mageia-dev@mageia.org https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev ___ Mageia-dev mailing list Mageia-dev@mageia.org https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev May be there was a Kaptan like app before. But Kaptan written from stratch for Pardus, not fork of another app. ___ Mageia-dev mailing list Mageia-dev@mageia.org https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev
Re: [Mageia-dev] What do you think about create a Mageia Welcome Center?
2010/9/29 Gustavo Giampaoli giampaoli.gust...@gmail.com: I mean, Kaptan is a configuration tool. Display links is more a kind of information page. So, the Welcome Center should be an info page, or a full featured tool that can set most common things for newbies? I'd put more weight on the information part. It should guide the user to all relevant places for up-to-date information about Mageia, to help pages (the wiki), to discussion and support places like the forums, etc., preferrably in the language he sets when installing the system. Then you can add internal links to the control center, to softwaremanagement, to hardware information. Reason: After installation what he needs first in case of problems is addresses he can turn to to get help. Other places are easily found in the start menue (a section Top Apps / Tools would help there) but there are no links to helping people in the menue. ___ Mageia-dev mailing list Mageia-dev@mageia.org https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev
Re: [Mageia-dev] What do you think about create a Mageia Welcome Center?
On 29 September 2010 19:50, Gustavo Giampaoli giampaoli.gust...@gmail.com wrote: Maybe firts, you should decide what would the Welcome Center do. I mean, Kaptan is a configuration tool. Display links is more a kind of information page. So, the Welcome Center should be an info page, or a full featured tool that can set most common things for newbies? Personally, I like the Kaptan idea. Don't know if it's possible to port it to Mageia from developers' POV. Cheers! Gustavo Giampaoli (aka tavillo1980) One question though, kaptan works only with KDE? what about other DE's? -- Ahmad Samir ___ Mageia-dev mailing list Mageia-dev@mageia.org https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev
Re: [Mageia-dev] What do you think about create a Mageia Welcome Center?
Hey guys, I've read almost all topics of this thread, gathered some ideas and created a non-functional HTML prototype of Mageia Welcome Center. I would like you to do download it at http://www.sendspace.com/file/n29kae and read the README file and get their views for me here. Let's start doing something. I believe that this task is easy. Let's complete tasks what I wrote in README and see where it will lead us. Of course, this tool is intended for novice users, the experts will disable it so that come the first time. Reguards, André ___ Mageia-dev mailing list Mageia-dev@mageia.org https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev
Re: [Mageia-dev] What do you think about create a Mageia Welcome Center?
Es al estilo de la pantalla de bienvenida de jolicloud, es una idea muy acertada, buen trabajo ;) It is the style of the splash screen Jolicloud is a very wise idea, good job;) 2010/9/29 André Machado afmach...@dcemail.com Hey guys, I've read almost all topics of this thread, gathered some ideas and created a non-functional HTML prototype of Mageia Welcome Center. I would like you to do download it at http://www.sendspace.com/file/n29kae and read the README file and get their views for me here. Let's start doing something. I believe that this task is easy. Let's complete tasks what I wrote in README and see where it will lead us. Of course, this tool is intended for novice users, the experts will disable it so that come the first time. Reguards, André ___ Mageia-dev mailing list Mageia-dev@mageia.org https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev ___ Mageia-dev mailing list Mageia-dev@mageia.org https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev
Re: [Mageia-dev] What do you think about create a Mageia Welcome Center?
- Display on the welcome screen basic hardware information : Processor, RAM, video card and the driver currently activated. Can this be done using HTML pages or need some extra tool? - A link to sysinfo:// that offers some hardware information that could fit inside the welcome center as it is a simple HTML layout. On that page, there can be a link directly to Harddrake to get even more information. Getting system information easily is actually a thing many distros miss, apparently. Is this sysinfo:// default or is implemented by any special tool? But there should be a warning light on such a welcome center : beware the windows-like thing. We really need to think about a new and useful design. Indeed. I guess that Windows Vista/7 has a simmilar tool called Wellcome Center. So, we need think on a better name to avoid lawsuits... ___ Mageia-dev mailing list Mageia-dev@mageia.org https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev
Re: [Mageia-dev] What do you think about create a Mageia Welcome Center?
I remembered now that Welcome center will lead to creation of more two pages: http://welcome.mageia.org - the online version of Welcome Center, acessible from the same with news and links to frequent questions what will be at: http://kb.mageia.org - A full knowledge base in the form of questions and answers for both basic users and for advanced users, with subjects divided into categories and built by the community. Answers for questions as: How do I change my desktop wallpaper?, How do I change my screen resolution?, Where do the files that I receive in conversations via Pidgin?, How do I scan a image? et coetera, all in a easy, informal and clear language. ___ Mageia-dev mailing list Mageia-dev@mageia.org https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev
Re: [Mageia-dev] What do you think about create a Mageia Welcome Center?
Le 29/09/2010 22:37, André Machado a écrit : I remembered now that Welcome center will lead to creation of more two pages: http://welcome.mageia.org - the online version of Welcome Center, acessible from the same with news and links to frequent questions what will be at: http://kb.mageia.org - A full knowledge base in the form of questions and answers for both basic users and for advanced users, with subjects divided into categories and built by the community. Answers for questions as: How do I change my desktop wallpaper?, How do I change my screen resolution?, Where do the files that I receive in conversations via Pidgin?, How do I scan a image? et coetera, all in a easy, informal and clear language. For the knowledge base, we will already have a lot of documentation work to do and a huge work to build and improve our web services. Perhaps it would be better to base ourselves on GetSatisfaction.com at first? ___ Mageia-dev mailing list Mageia-dev@mageia.org https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev
Re: [Mageia-dev] What do you think about create a Mageia Welcome Center?
2010/9/29 André Machado afmach...@dcemail.com: I remembered now that Welcome center will lead to creation of more two pages: http://welcome.mageia.org - the online version of Welcome Center, acessible from the same with news and links to frequent questions what will be at: It will lead to the mageia.org news page. The link to FAQ will lead to the wiki which will be the structure for the KB. http://kb.mageia.org - will lead to the wiki portal for the KB. No need to have redundances. ___ Mageia-dev mailing list Mageia-dev@mageia.org https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev
Re: [Mageia-dev] What do you think about create a Mageia Welcome Center?
Dear Andre! On Wed, 29 Sep 2010 01:03:05 + (UTC), Andre Machado wrote about [Mageia-dev] What do you think about create a Mageia Welcome Center?: http://img831.imageshack.us/img831/925/mageiawelcome.png And this is supposed to cover my whole desktop? Please: no. I don't mean to be disrespectful, but if I started up my computer and saw this, I'd think I'd bought a tool for children instead of an adult operated personal computer. /Ducking for flame throwers. I regret that I do not very much like the idea. But if everyone on this list wants it: okay. Best regards, =Dick Gevers= ___ Mageia-dev mailing list Mageia-dev@mageia.org https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev
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Dick Gevers dvgev...@... writes: Dear Andre! On Wed, 29 Sep 2010 01:03:05 + (UTC), Andre Machado wrote about [Mageia-dev] What do you think about create a Mageia Welcome Center?: http://img831.imageshack.us/img831/925/mageiawelcome.png And this is supposed to cover my whole desktop? Please: no. I don't mean to be disrespectful, but if I started up my computer and saw this, I'd think I'd bought a tool for children instead of an adult operated personal computer. /Ducking for flame throwers. I regret that I do not very much like the idea. But if everyone on this list wants it: okay. Best regards, =Dick Gevers= Dick, Your views are welcome. I should remember that that you saw is just a draft. I did a better version - which is also a draft - here. http://www.sendspace.com/file/n29kae The intention is that it's just a window with a lower resolution than 800x600 that can be easily disabled. The Audience is that users that are having your first contacts with GNU/Linux. In others follow-ups of this threads, we are having interesting ideas. ___ Mageia-dev mailing list Mageia-dev@mageia.org https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev
Re: [Mageia-dev] What do you think about create a Mageia Welcome Center?
On Wed, 29 Sep 2010 21:07:02 + (UTC), André Machado wrote about Re: [Mageia-dev] What do you think about create a Mageia Welcome Center?: The Audience is that users that are having your first contacts with GNU/Linux. I remembered ages ago a certain Redmond product asking me What do you want to do today? I could only think of the answer: None of your business Sorry! Best regards, =Dick Gevers= ___ Mageia-dev mailing list Mageia-dev@mageia.org https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev
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guys, I just found out that Linux Mint has something similar to what we want to implement, but the difference is that theirs has only links to the websites of our community and will have links to the most common tasks that the user will perform: http://i257.photobucket.com/albums/hh234/cleitoncfl/Captura_de_tela-1.png even so, that the Mint is very beautiful. ___ Mageia-dev mailing list Mageia-dev@mageia.org https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev
Re: [Mageia-dev] What do you think about create a Mageia Welcome Center?
I regret that I do not very much like the idea. But if everyone on this list wants it: okay. I think this Welcome center would appear in the very first boot. Just as the welcome page of Mandriva. And with a click, in the X, you remove it and it never appears again. You wouldn't see it in every boot. Cheers! Gustavo Giampaoli (aka tavillo1980) ___ Mageia-dev mailing list Mageia-dev@mageia.org https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev
Re: [Mageia-dev] What do you think about create a Mageia Welcome Center?
I just hope there won't be a survey when you first install, because if you have no internet it doesn't let you do anything. You have to like go to console and do not cool stuff. I guess as long as it is not invasive it will be fine. ___ Mageia-dev mailing list Mageia-dev@mageia.org https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev
