[Mailman-Developers] Re: Cannnot find the processing of bounces as `hard` and `soft`
On Fri, Jul 19, 2019, at 10:51 PM, Aaryan Bhagat wrote: > Somewhat details regarding this can be found in > [this](https://mail.python.org/archives/list/mailman-developers@python.org/thread/N7LB2VQN5MC7INXTP3N2CF7MJYSZQI3W/#5ELFHHN4FDLXHXLDVBYKLX36GQTWJTWV) > thread also. > > Currently, in the `mailman/src/mailman/runners/bounce.py` I do not see > whether the separation of bounces as `hard` and `soft` is implemented. Looking at the code in `src/runners/bounce.py` I don't think temporary failures are even stored. It seems like they are just ignored. > According to the previous version of Mailman, the `bounce_score` is > increased accordingly ( see the `Bounce processing` section of > [this](https://wiki.list.org/DOC/Mailman%202.1%20List%20Administrators%20Manual) > page ) depending upon the type of bounce. I intend to follow that > implementation. If not required I can drop that implementation and just > increase the `bounce_score` as an integer always. I don't think we should be increasing the bounce_score on soft failures, which can be retried by the MTA. > > Pointers on this issue are appreciated. > Am I missing something here? > ___ > Mailman-Developers mailing list -- mailman-developers@python.org > To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-developers-le...@python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-developers.python.org/ > Mailman FAQ: https://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 > > Security Policy: https://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 > -- thanks, Abhilash Raj (maxking) ___ Mailman-Developers mailing list -- mailman-developers@python.org To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-developers-le...@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-developers.python.org/ Mailman FAQ: https://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: https://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
[Mailman-Developers] Re: Cannnot find the processing of bounces as `hard` and `soft`
On 7/19/19 10:50 PM, Aaryan Bhagat wrote: > > Currently, in the `mailman/src/mailman/runners/bounce.py` I do not see > whether the separation of bounces as `hard` and `soft` is implemented. > According to the previous version of Mailman, the `bounce_score` is increased > accordingly ( see the `Bounce processing` section of > [this](https://wiki.list.org/DOC/Mailman%202.1%20List%20Administrators%20Manual) > page ) depending upon the type of bounce. I intend to follow that > implementation. If not required I can drop that implementation and just > increase the `bounce_score` as an integer always. Contrary to the documentation, Mailman has never distinguished between "hard" and "soft" bounces. The recognizer used in Mailman 3, flufl.bounce, implements essentially the same process as Mailman 2.1. It distinguishes between permanent (5xx) failures and temporary (4xx) failures, but not between various kinds of permanent failures, e.g. unknown user vs full mailbox. Mailman 2.1 has never actually scored "soft" bounces as 0.5. It scores 5xx bounces as 1.0 and ignores 4xx bounces. The same should be done with Mailman 3. Distinguishing between "hard" and "soft" 5xx bounces would require significant changes to flufl.bounce and is outside the scope of your project. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan ___ Mailman-Developers mailing list -- mailman-developers@python.org To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-developers-le...@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-developers.python.org/ Mailman FAQ: https://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: https://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
[Mailman-Developers] Re: Cannnot find the processing of bounces as `hard` and `soft`
I understand, thanks for the reply, Mark. So that means I can set the `bounce_score_threshold` as Integer instead of Float reason being that the score will always be increased by one. Is the above inference correct? Am I missing something here? ___ Mailman-Developers mailing list -- mailman-developers@python.org To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-developers-le...@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-developers.python.org/ Mailman FAQ: https://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: https://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
[Mailman-Developers] Re: Cannnot find the processing of bounces as `hard` and `soft`
On 7/20/19 11:45 AM, Aaryan Bhagat wrote: > I understand, thanks for the reply, Mark. > So that means I can set the `bounce_score_threshold` as Integer instead of > Float reason being that the score will always be increased by one. > > Is the above inference correct? > Am I missing something here? It mm 2.1, it has always been a float to allow for the possible implementation of fractional scores. It is still possible that fractional scores will be implemented at some point in the future so my inclination is that all these scores should be floats. However, there is currently a contradiction in that model/mailinglist.py has bounce_score_threshold = Column(Integer) # XXX but styles/base.py has mlist.bounce_score_threshold = 5.0 Whether we choose float or integer, we should be consistent in how we define and set it. Also, bounce_score_threshold is apparently not yet exposed in REST at all. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan ___ Mailman-Developers mailing list -- mailman-developers@python.org To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-developers-le...@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-developers.python.org/ Mailman FAQ: https://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: https://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
