Re: [Mailman-Users] Attributes List

[agils]

I do not undesrtand exactly what are you asking for.
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From: "Jason Maderios" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2001 6:07 PM
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Attributes List


Gang,


Are all the available attributes listed anywhere?  I would like to add
the username and password to the footer of every email sent out.  I know
about the security implications but this is for a short term
"Announcement" list.  

TIA,

Jason Maderios





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[Mailman-Users] Monthly notifications ..? (and quickie)

[Ajay]

Hi guys,

I had recently (at the beginning of the month obviously ;) gotten
reports from some of our users that they had received multiple 'mailing list
membership reminders', this apparently was because they were subscribed to
some lists as first.last, and some lists as First.Last.  This was very
shocking/surprising to me, but it's true, even my boss had it happen to me.
I don't know if there's a maybe tolower function or similar in python that
could correct this?

On a possibly related note, I was wondering if any thought has gone into
(defaulting to or allowing) special behaviour for addresses with +'s in
them?  If people are setup with software that filters to mailboxes based on
what's after the '+', it might be useful to send one email to
username@domain (stripping the stuff after '+' assuming there is stuff
preceding it), instead of one to each.  Again, maybe this is something that
could be an option if some complain.

Sorry, I tend to put multiple things into each mail (I know some
people mind, but some people agree it's efficient), the other thing
I was wondering about is if there are some intranet-style patches for
mailman?  I'm running it on a server accessible only from inside the
network, and I want to make an option where subscribing to mailling lists
doesn't require subscription confirmation.

Any help/info greatly appreciated, TIA!

-Ajay

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman newbie question

[Haisam K. Ido]

On Fri, 11 May 2001, Eric Schmitz wrote:

> Greetings!
> 
>I'm brand spankin' new to this list, but I already have a question.
> (I suppose that's why I joined!) Does anybody know of a way to easily
> convert an existing majordomo list to Mailman?
>Also, is there a FAQ somewhere for this list? Thanks!

Add members to a list from the command line.

Usage:
add_members [-n ] [-d ] [-c ] [-w ] [-h] listname

Where:

--non-digest-members-file 
-n 
A file containing addresses of the members to be added, one
address per line.  This list of people become non-digest
members.  If  is `-', read addresses from stdin.

--digest-members-file 
-d 
Similar to above, but these people become digest members.

--changes-msg=
-c  
set whether or not to send the list members the `there's going to be
big changes to your list' message. defaults to no.

--welcome-msg=
-w 
set whether or not to send the list members a welcome message,
overriding whatever the list's `send_welcome_msg' setting is.

--help
-h
Print this help message and exit.

listname
The name of the Mailman list you are adding members to.  It must
already exist.

You must supply at least one of -n and -d options.  At most one of the
files can be `-'.




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[Mailman-Users] Upgrade & Path Changes

[Ashley M. Kirchner]

I have a system running a list using an old version MM.  We're
re-installing MM in a different location and also using v2.0.5.  Can I
simply copy the ./lists and ./archives directories from the old
installation into the new path and run bin/movelist on all the lists?
(and fix mail aliases)

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[Mailman-Users] Strange subscribe/confirm problem

[William R. Dickson]

Hi all,

I'm having an odd problem with a newly-created list in a virtual domain. 
It's not happening with any of the lists in the other two virtual 
domains. Basically, when somebody subscribes via the form, they receive 
the response page indicating that they must confirm their subscription 
via email. However, if you check the subscribe log and sendmail's log, 
you see that the list is munging the string "-owner" into the 
subscriber's address -- i.e., my own address is munged to "wrd-
[EMAIL PROTECTED]".

Any idea why this might be happening?  I can't find any problems in 
aliases, Defaults.py, or the installation (which doesn't mean there 
aren't any, I just haven't found them).

Thanks,

-Bill

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[Mailman-Users] Mailman newbie question

[Eric Schmitz]

Greetings!

   I'm brand spankin' new to this list, but I already have a question.
(I suppose that's why I joined!) Does anybody know of a way to easily
convert an existing majordomo list to Mailman?
   Also, is there a FAQ somewhere for this list? Thanks!

-Eric Schmitz

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Re: [Mailman-Users] My upgrade broke Mailman

[M. Gallo]

On Fri, May 11, 2001 at 01:48:05PM +1200, Juha Saarinen wrote:
> :: After upgrading from Mailman v.1 to v.2.0.5, my mailing lists have
> :: stopped working.  Mail sent to a list does not get delivered,
> :: archived, or even bounced back.  Neither locks nor log entries are
> :: generated.  check_perms shows no errors.
> :: 
> :: I've tried to make clean and reinstall multiple times, but to no
> :: avail.  Any idea what's going on or where to look next?
> 
> Sounds like an MTA problem -- which mailer are you using?

We're using sendmail, which is working in general.  The outgoing
email shows up in maillog, but that's the last trace of it.

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[Mailman-Users] Looping/Forwarding

[steve]

For some reason, whenever a message is sent to my list's admin address,
mailman then resends the message once a minute for half an hour or so. I
have no idea why this is happening, has anyone else experienced this? At
first I thought it might have been a mistake in my forwarders or auto
responders, but there is nothing that forwards from the admin address, and I
haven't set up any auto responders for it either.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Re: remove this?

[Bill Warner]

At 08:20 AM 5/11/01 -0700, Chuq Von Rospach wrote:
>But e-mail interacts with other email systems all over the internet. When
>you hose a mailman system, it affects the mail systems of all of the
>subscribers, which potentially hoses them AND the admins of THEIR mail
>servers.

But, with the exclusion of Nigel's generalized suggestion, what we've been 
talking about so far just doesn't do that.  Leaving the List-Subscribe 
header, to take just one example, off of a closed list that doesn't accept 
public subscription requests is not going to hose anyones system.  It will 
not affect the routing, transport, or delivery of the messages on that list 
or of anything else in the known universe.

It will simply allow a list admin to use the List-* headers in the way that 
they were intended.  Which is to allow the list admin to provide a useful 
and convenient tool to *his (or her) subscribers*, and at the same time 
reduce the headaches of being a list admin by reducing the number of "how 
do I unsubscribe"-type requests.

>That's why SOME of these decisions have to be made by the people who know
>the issues, instead of run off and make decisions based on the "I wanna, 
>so you gotta" style of management.

I submit that Grant Neufeld is one "who know(s) the issues" well enough 
that his published statement ought to at least merit consideration.  I 
personally think it merits more than that, but...

It's not about "I wanna, so you gotta."  I'm sorry if you see it that 
way.  Neither should it be about "we're the experts, we did it right, and 
you peons don't know what you talking about."  It is, at least I think it 
should be, about discussing the differing points of view and then making a 
decision that benefits the Mailman community as a whole.  That community 
includes people outside the development circle.  I've now spent a lot of 
time reading the threads about this issue back through the archive of this 
list, and I just don't see where that happened.  As far as I can tell the 
decision was made early on, and once implemented anyone who questioned it 
was promptly stomped on.

In any case, I believe that the case in favor of making the List-* headers 
configurable has been sufficiently made, and that Barry will indeed give it 
fair consideration.  That's all I ask.  I'm not demanding anything.

So, now I really am done.  Ya'll can carry on with this thread if you like, 
but I'm going to take a break and then see what kind of firestorm breaks 
out when I ask the other questions that I have on the back burner.

Happy Mailmanning!

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Re: remove this?

[Bill Warner]

At 07:43 AM 5/11/01 -0700, Roger B.A. Klorese wrote:
>How far does that go?  Should you be allowed to turn off the "To:" header
>if you want?  "Subject:"?  "Date:"?

Oh, please.  Lets not get snide about this.  We are talking about a very 
specific set of headers and you know it.

We are talking about a set of headers that have their basis in RFC 
2369.  RFC 2369 is a *Proposed* Standard.  It isn't even a Draft Standard, 
which is the phase that it will have to go through next before it can 
become a Standard Protocol.  Even if it is eventually adopted as a Standard 
Protocol it will be *optional*.  Even the authors of RFC 2369 agree that 
the use of these particular headers should be *optional* on a *per-list* basis.

This simply doesn't compare to arbitrarily eliminating RFC 822 headers 
which are *required* by accepted standards.

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[Mailman-Users] deleting pending requests

[Haisam K. Ido]

On a mailing list which I maintain I have over 350 pending requests.  Is
there a way to delete them all without going throught the GUI?  I am using
version 1.1.  Yes I will upgrade soon :-)

Thanks in advance.


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[Mailman-Users] egroups clone

[daddyBoy Toronto]

Looking to see if anyone has created a site that is similar or a clone of 
egroups using mailman as its list server? And is having success with the 
software.

I am currently trying to create just that, and if anyone is interested in 
helping I am willing to share what I have created or hire someone to help 
with such a project either in perl or php..

Thanks
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[Mailman-Users] Explanation required after upgrade to 2.0.5

[Richard Ellerbrock]

Resend to mailman-users as no response on developers list.

*** cut ***

I have just upgraded mailman from 1.1 to 2.0.5 - everything went smoothly, but I have 
some minor issues though.

1) When the news gate service tries to connect to a down NNTP server, ugly messages 
are logged in the error log. Maybe the fact should rather just be logged in the 
fromusenet log? Here is an example:

Traceback (innermost last):
  File "/home/mailman/cron/gate_news", line 222, in ?
main()
  File "/home/mailman/cron/gate_news", line 203, in main
process_lists(lock)
  File "/home/mailman/cron/gate_news", line 148, in process_lists
conn, first, last = open_newsgroup(mlist)
  File "/home/mailman/cron/gate_news", line 75, in open_newsgroup
password=mm_cfg.NNTP_PASSWORD)
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/pythonlib/nntplib.py", line 111, in __init__
self.sock.connect((self.host, self.port))
socket.error: (111, 'Connection refused')

2) I get another funny error also from the news gateway. I cannot explain it though:

Traceback (innermost last):
  File "/home/mailman/cron/gate_news", line 222, in ?
main()
  File "/home/mailman/cron/gate_news", line 203, in main
process_lists(lock)
  File "/home/mailman/cron/gate_news", line 148, in process_lists
conn, first, last = open_newsgroup(mlist)
  File "/home/mailman/cron/gate_news", line 75, in open_newsgroup
password=mm_cfg.NNTP_PASSWORD)
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/pythonlib/nntplib.py", line 114, in __init__
self.welcome = self.getresp()
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/pythonlib/nntplib.py", line 180, in getresp
resp = self.getline()
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/pythonlib/nntplib.py", line 172, in getline
if not line: raise EOFError
EOFError

3) Something is funny with bounce detection. My test list has the following bounce 
options:

Minimum number of posts to the list since members first
   bounce before we consider removing them from the list = 3

Action when critical or excessive bounces are detected = Remove and notify me

The list also requires post approval from the moderator

I get this in the log when sending a couple of message to the list with a bogus 
address that I added manually:

May 07 17:41:00 2001 (8803) Test: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - first
May 08 09:01:01 2001 (29662) Test: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - 1 more allowed over 376799 secs
May 08 09:01:01 2001 (29662) Test: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - 1 more allowed over 376799 secs
May 08 09:15:01 2001 (32675) Test: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - 0 more allowed over 375958 secs
May 08 09:24:01 2001 (2018) Test: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - 0 more allowed over 375418 secs

I don't understand the sequence of numbers - why 0 0 then 1 1? The address does not 
get removed after three failures. I have sent more tests and they all say 0 more 
allowed - what gives?

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Re: remove this?

[Chuq Von Rospach]

On 5/11/01 8:07 AM, "Nigel Metheringham"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> This would allow people enough rope to completely hang themselves, and
> add a reasonably useful additional feature in.

If this were a web system, I'd be all for it.

But e-mail interacts with other email systems all over the internet. When
you hose a mailman system, it affects the mail systems of all of the
subscribers, which potentially hoses them AND the admins of THEIR mail
servers.

What you do to your own stuff I don't care about. But when  your stuff has
to safely and properly interact with other people's stuff as well -- you no
longer have the right to be an idiot, just because you want to be.

That's why SOME of these decisions have to be made by the people who know
the issues, instead of run off and make decisions based on the "I wanna, so
you gotta" style of management.



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Re: [Mailman-Users] mailman config

[Dan Wilder]

On Fri, May 11, 2001 at 09:55:41AM +, Jack Mendez wrote:
> hey there.
> i am considering using mail man as my list processor.
> however, i have a configuration issue which is probably
> unique.
> my mal and web servers are on two different machines.
> how can i use mail man while still have the mail server and web server on two 
>different machine and still have the web configuration tools available?
> thank

Let me know what solution you find to this.

I'm in the same situation.  Our list server is inside the
firewall, the web servers are clear across the country.

One option is to poke a hole through the firewall into a
web server running on the mailing list machine, then proxy
the mailman pages via the official web server.  Another might be
synchronize the subscriber list via a cron job.  I've not investigated
the alternatives as to how that might be done.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Re: remove this?

[Nigel Metheringham]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
> How far does that go?  Should you be allowed to turn off the "To:"
> header if you want?  "Subject:"?  "Date:"? 

Actually maybe this points to a better approach

First we purely implement a fixed version of our list header cooking - 
no if (this) then add (that).

Then late on in the processing pipeline we have a per-list configurable 
generic header stripper and adder with some form of basic 
programmability - ie basic regexp to select whether or not something is 
added/deleted, and the use of the mailman template variables.

This would allow people enough rope to completely hang themselves, and 
add a reasonably useful additional feature in.

It also means you don't need to add a bunch of extra buttons and 
configurability in for every header you might wish to add.

And if people are stupid enough to modify the mime-headers based on 
this scheme, well they deserve all they get.

Nigel.

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[Mailman-Users] Question...

[OmrPrt]

How do I make a list read only?  Meaning I am the only one that can send out 
messages to the list, and no one else can post.


Omar Portillo

[Mailman-Users] Re: [Mailman-Developers] Qrunner error

[Barry A. Warsaw]

> "W" == Webmaster  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

W> Does anyone know what this error means and how to fix it.

W> Traceback (innermost last):
|   File "/home/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 78, in ?
| import time
W> ImportError: /usr/lib/python1.5/lib-dynload/timemodule.so:
W> undefined symbol: PyErr_Format

It looks to me like your Python installation is pretty broken.  What
Python version are you using?  I'd suggest re-installing Python.

-Barry

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Re: remove this?

[Dan Wilder]

On Fri, May 11, 2001 at 07:43:57AM -0700, Roger B.A. Klorese wrote:
> On Fri, 11 May 2001, Thomas Hillson wrote:
> > We are asking you to give us the option to turn off individual headers on some
> > of out lists where we have determined they are inappropriate.
> 
> How far does that go?  Should you be allowed to turn off the "To:" header
> if you want?  "Subject:"?  "Date:"?

Sure!

Let 'em paint their own nose blue, if they want to.

'Course the MTA will add some of those back in.  But that's not
your concern.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Re: remove this?

[Roger B.A. Klorese]

On Fri, 11 May 2001, Thomas Hillson wrote:
> We are asking you to give us the option to turn off individual headers on some
> of out lists where we have determined they are inappropriate.

How far does that go?  Should you be allowed to turn off the "To:" header
if you want?  "Subject:"?  "Date:"?
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Re: remove this?

[Thomas Hillson]

Bill,

I must commend you for your continued discussions with the developers of
Mailman over the issue of the headers. I lost patients with them long before
you did.

Like you I am a user of Mailman, and I do not want to fight with the people
who think these headers are needed. I would just like to see a little more
flexibility in the way we can configure each individual list. Until 
they provide
us with the flexibility, we will just have to continue to hack their software
to give some control.  I do not have the time to learn enough about Mailman
to write a patch to selectively turn the headers off. My solution is to comment
out all code for the headers so they do not appear on any of my lists.

To the programmers of Mailman, Please listen to Bill, myself and the many
other people who have requested the flexibility to turn off the headers for
selected mailing lists.

We are not asking you to remove code for the headers from Mailman.

We are not asking you to stop promoting their use so that all mail programs
will recognize them and handle them correctly.

We are asking you to give us the option to turn off individual headers on some
of out lists where we have determined they are inappropriate.

thank you,

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[Mailman-Users] mailman config

[Jack Mendez]

hey there.
i am considering using mail man as my list processor.
however, i have a configuration issue which is probably
unique.
my mal and web servers are on two different machines.
how can i use mail man while still have the mail server and web server on two 
different machine and still have the web configuration tools available?
thank
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Re: remove this?

[Bill Warner]

At 05:32 PM 5/10/01 -0700, Dan Mick wrote:
 >So you have no problem.  So why are you complaining about them?
 >You can't have it both ways.

No.  I said that adoption was underway.  I didn't say it was 
complete.  Besides, there are other reasons to make the 2369 headers 
optional in addition to the short-term MUA issues and the associated user 
truculence.

People use real lists in a variety of ways.  In some of those situations it 
just doesn't make sense to be sending the whole set of 2369 headers to a 
list, and I don't think that it is possible to anticipate, and code for, 
all of the possible variations.  Only the list admin can determine which 
subset of the 2369 headers makes sense in light of the policies, 
procedures, and needs of a particular list.  The authors of RFC 2369 
recognize this.

The bottom line disagreement seems to be that some folks think that list 
admins are not capable of making that decision in a responsible way.  I 
happen to think that they are.  Especially if we work to educate them about 
the benefits of 2369 instead of immediately castigating them for asking the 
question.

 >Or maybe that set of people is merely misguided.  Who knows?

Then we are in good company with the misguided authors of RFC 2369.  I can 
live with that.

--Bill


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RE: [Mailman-Users] mm_cfg.py Options?

[John McGarrigle]

Much appreciated,

Thanks!


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Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] mm_cfg.py Options?


John McGarrigle ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) said something that sounded like:
> What options are available in this file?

They are in Defaults.py. If they do not exist in mm_cfg.py, they will be
used from the Defaults.py file.

Ciao,

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Re: [Mailman-Users] mm_cfg.py Options?

[Pug Bainter]

John McGarrigle ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) said something that sounded like:
> What options are available in this file?

They are in Defaults.py. If they do not exist in mm_cfg.py, they will be
used from the Defaults.py file.

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[Mailman-Users] mm_cfg.py Options?

[John McGarrigle]

Hey,

What options are available in this file?

I wish to change the default hostname for the list, so I added;

DEFAULT_HOST_NAME = 'lists.ic5.net'

That solves *some* of the problems, but it still wants to use my machines
default hostname for some other options.. such as the mailman-owner@ address
on the listinfo page..

I have searched for documentation on this, but found very little...

I would appreciate any help you could give me :)


John 'Neuron' McGarrigle
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