[Mailman-Users] How to debug about Can't deliver mail

2002-05-29 Thread small

dear all :

My mailman can't work ..

I can see the maillist archive, when i send mail to maillist
But ,It can deliver mail to member


this is my POST and SMTP log, somebody help me ...

Billy D. Chang

POST
May 29 16:22:02 2002 (4484) post to rd from
[EMAIL PROTECTED], size=1331, 1 failures
May 29 16:22:03 2002 (4483) post to test from
[EMAIL PROTECTED], size=1330, 1 failures
May 29 16:22:03 2002 (4483) post to test from
[EMAIL PROTECTED], size=1330, 1 failures
May 29 16:22:03 2002 (4483) post to test from
[EMAIL PROTECTED], size=1332, 1 failures
May 29 16:22:03 2002 (4483) post to huperdvr from
[EMAIL PROTECTED], size=1355, 1 failures
May 29 16:22:03 2002 (4483) post to rd from
[EMAIL PROTECTED], size=1331, 1 failures


SMTP

May 29 16:21:03 2002 (4476) All recipients refused: (111, 'Connection
refused')
May 29 16:21:03 2002 (4476) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 0.004 seconds
May 29 16:21:03 2002 (4476) All recipients refused: (111, 'Connection
refused')
May 29 16:21:03 2002 (4476) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 0.004 seconds
May 29 16:21:03 2002 (4476) All recipients refused: (111, 'Connection
refused')
May 29 16:21:03 2002 (4476) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 0.004 seconds






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Re: [Mailman-Users] sendmail shell not available for mailman

2002-05-29 Thread comquest

I get about the same problem running redhat 7.2 sendmail 8.11.6 with
mailman.b21
---
smrsh: mailman not available for sendmail programs
554 5.0.0 Service unavailable
---

has anyone solved this?

- Original Message -
From: E.J.L. Kemper [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, April 22, 2002 2:18 AM
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] error 126



 But the strange thing is I think, that de installation procedure didn't
 build the wrapper file at all.
 Some-one from this list send me this file, but that didn't help.

 I did however change the error to this?

 --snip--

   - The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -
 |/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd test
 (reason: service unavailable)
 (expanded from: [EMAIL PROTECTED])

- Transcript of session follows -
 smrsh: wrapper not available for sendmail programs
 554 5.0.0 |/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd test... Service
unavailable

 snip-



 - Original Message -
 From: Ron Jarrell [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: E.J.L. Kemper [EMAIL PROTECTED];
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Monday, April 22, 2002 2:32 AM
 Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] error 126


  At 12:23 AM 4/20/02 +0200, E.J.L. Kemper wrote:
 
  I am still stuck at the smrsh.
  
  I am getting error 126 send back to the email?
  
 - The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -
  |/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd test
   (reason: 126)
  
  - Transcript of session follows -
  /bin/sh: /usr/adm/sm.bin/wrapper: is a directory
  554 5.3.0 |/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd test... unknown mailer
 error
  126
 
  sounds like you screwed up your smrsh config.  if
  /usr/adm/sm.bin/wrapper  is a directory, smrsh certainly cant exec
  it.  It's not a mailman issue.



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Re: [Mailman-Users] Is mailman the thing to use with a bignewsletter?

2002-05-29 Thread Charles Sebold

On 17 Sivan 5762, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 i'm searching a software that gives me the ability to send my
 newsletter to nearly 240'000 recipents.  My webserver is running
 Debian potato.  I don't now weather mailman is the right software.
 I'd be very happy if you could tell me about your experiences.

Make sure you read the FAQ about tuning your MTA.  Also, use Woody's
Python and Mailman packages - Potato's are extremely out of date.  Or
roll your own Mailman - but I would still recommend updating Python.

Mailman is excellent for things like giving your users a web interface
to subscribe and unsubscribe as well as a mail interface to do so.
Compared to the other free (and many commercial) list servers out there,
you will be glad you switched.  You might want to take some time reading
the archives of this list, and look for people's complaints - they will
accustom you to Mailman's idiosyncrasies.  For me it has been nothing
but worth it (we have migrated lists from Majordomo at one site, and
PMDF/Mailserv at the other).

Also have a look at posts having to do with Mailman 2.1 beta.  You might
want to use that, or wait until it is released.  It promises to be quite
a good upgrade.
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[Mailman-Users] Lists on listinfo page not showing up

2002-05-29 Thread Dirk H. Schulz

Hi there,

my lists are not shown on the listinfo page (no public lists available), 
although all my lists are configured as public (privacy options).

On the first day, when I set up everything, it worked fine and they were 
all shown.

From the second day on the listinfo page is empty saying there are no 
public lists.

Any hint is appreciated.

Dirk


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Re: [Mailman-Users] Lists on listinfo page not showing up

2002-05-29 Thread Mark Rauterkus

 Any hint is appreciated.

Watch the capital letters in the domain name. 

http://Rauterkus.Com/mailman/listinfo/ -- shows lists
http://rauterkus.com/mailman/listinfo/ -- hides lists

Bug or Feature???



Ta.


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[Mailman-Users] Snafu'd config

2002-05-29 Thread Stephen E. Hargrove

I've just installed mailman, and have apparently configured something
incorrectly.  I've looked, but I'm just not seeing it.

The welcome email sent to me by the system pointed me to
http://whatever/mailman/admin/listname.  I entered my password, and thes
page opened fine.  I made a few changes and hit the Submit Your Changes
button.  I'm then given the following:

The requested URL /admin/listname was not found on this server.

It should probably be pointing to /mailman/admin rather than /admin. 
Any ideas what I may have configured incorrectly?

Thanks!
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[Mailman-Users] Redundant headers in digests

2002-05-29 Thread Bob Weissman

I subscribe to the SA Talk list for SpamAssassin discussions in digest mode. When I 
receive a digest, it shows all the headers in every digested message. So I get loads 
of List-*, Resent-*, Content-Type, etc., etc. headers in each and every digested 
message.

IMHO, Mailman should remove these from outgoing digests. Any takers?

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[Mailman-Users] Re: mailman (2.0.11) + htdig integration - empty result page

2002-05-29 Thread Richard Barrett

At 16:20 29/05/2002 +0200, Zdenek Pizl wrote:
Hallo,

  i am struggling with problem of empty result page while searching mailist
archive. Do i have missing some templates or is there some hack to be done?

 with regards
 
Z. P.

Not a lot to go on in trying to determine what is causing your problem.

First, there is no undocumented hack to getting the mailman-htdig patches 
working that I am aware of. Most of the hacking is documented in the 
$build/INSTALL.htdig-mm that the 444884 patch adds.

I'll assume you got a list which has archiving turned on, has had posts to 
it since the integration patches were installed and archiving was turned 
on, and either you or cron have subsequently run the 
$prefix/cron/nightly_htdig script. As a consequence, I'll assume that the 
search form has been added to the TOC page for this list and its in 
response to completing and submitting that form that you are getting an 
empty page response.

You do not say whether you've used htsearch other that via the Mailman list 
TOC forms and whether it has worked or not. No matter.

One possible problem may be with your htdig installation. htsearch will try 
and use the various templates in htdig's COMMON_DIR as defined during 
installation of htdig (see http://www.htdig.org/htsearch.html) to render 
its response. It is possible that some problem in configuring or installing 
htdig may mean that htsearch cannot find the templates in htdig's 
COMMON_DIR and this is the cause of the problem.

If this SWAG doesn't help then you'll need to supply a bit more information 
to help track down the problem.







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[Mailman-Users] Re: mailman (2.0.11) + htdig integration - empty result page

2002-05-29 Thread Richard Barrett

At 17:49 29/05/2002 +0200, Zdenek Pizl wrote:
Dne st 29. kvìten 2002 17:37 jste napsal(a):
  At 16:20 29/05/2002 +0200, Zdenek Pizl wrote:
  Hallo,
  
i am struggling with problem of empty result page while searching
   mailist archive. Do i have missing some templates or is there some hack
   to be done?
  
   with
   regards
  
  Z. P.
 
  Not a lot to go on in trying to determine what is causing your problem.
 
  First, there is no undocumented hack to getting the mailman-htdig patches
  working that I am aware of. Most of the hacking is documented in the
  $build/INSTALL.htdig-mm that the 444884 patch adds.

Thanks for your response. I managed it to work. I had to slightly modify
/etc/htdig-mailman/archive.conf - common_dir and search_results_wrapper
directives was added. I noticed that there was no newline character after the
last line of directives (but i think that was my mistake).

OK, everything is working fine. The only thing is that i have to create my 
own
templates to suit mailman visual style ...

 thanks
 
Z.P.

Just a point of clarification. Are you using the Mailman-htdig integration 
patches 444879 and 444884 posted on sourceforge?

If not ignore what follows.

If so the way you describe as fixing the problem will not last.

The link in htdig's CONFIG_DIR directory (looks like its /etc/htdig-mailman 
in your case) is  a symbolic link to a directory in Mailman's file 
structures: $prefix/archives/htdig. This directory in turn contains one 
symbolic link per archived mailing list. These links point to 
$prefix/private/listname/htdig/listname.conf respectively, these being 
the per list htdig conf files.

Each Mailman list has its own htdig configuration file which is 
automatically generated by the code added to Mailman when the first message 
is posted to that list after installation of the patch.

[If you want to know why things are organized this way then think about 
dealing with the issue of security for private archives under search and 
the need to isolate list search indexes for lists from each other.]

The way you have fixed the problem will only apply to the list whose htdig 
conf file you have edited. I doubt you want to have a career editing these 
htdig conf files as a new one is created for each new archived mailing list 
on your system.

You really want to get at the root of your problem which is what is wrong 
with your htdig installation such that htsearch cannot find the default 
htdig COMMON_DIR. The ./configure and make install for htdig should have 
branded this information into the htsearch CGI program. For the sake of 
your future sanity I strongly suggest you take a hard look at your htdig 
installation and correct what has gone wrong.

If you are really determined not to fix the htdig side of things then it is 
possible to change the code that generates the htdig conf files for the 
lists to try and compensate. If you want I'll point you in the direction of 
the source code to change but at that point you'll have to be your own 
support person for the revised code.


 
  I'll assume you got a list which has archiving turned on, has had posts to
  it since the integration patches were installed and archiving was turned
  on, and either you or cron have subsequently run the
  $prefix/cron/nightly_htdig script. As a consequence, I'll assume that the
  search form has been added to the TOC page for this list and its in
  response to completing and submitting that form that you are getting an
  empty page response.
 
  You do not say whether you've used htsearch other that via the Mailman list
  TOC forms and whether it has worked or not. No matter.
 
  One possible problem may be with your htdig installation. htsearch will try
  and use the various templates in htdig's COMMON_DIR as defined during
  installation of htdig (see http://www.htdig.org/htsearch.html) to render
  its response. It is possible that some problem in configuring or installing
  htdig may mean that htsearch cannot find the templates in htdig's
  COMMON_DIR and this is the cause of the problem.
 
  If this SWAG doesn't help then you'll need to supply a bit more information
  to help track down the problem.



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[Mailman-Users] Unsubscribe passwords

2002-05-29 Thread Jamie Penner


I can't seem to find anything but is there anyway to allow users to 
unsubscribe without having to use a password?





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Re: [Mailman-Users] Redundant headers in digests

2002-05-29 Thread Nigel Metheringham

On Wed, 2002-05-29 at 20:56, J C Lawrence wrote:
 A MIME digest should contain unedited versions of the constituent
 messages.  Why?  That way it can be burst back into the discrete
 messages just as if the subscriber had received them that way in the
 first place (and is the way digests are and were intended to be used).

Definitely.  What is the situation for classic digests though.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Redundant headers in digests

2002-05-29 Thread Bob Weissman

At 11:56 AM 5/29/02, J C Lawrence wrote:
On Wed, 29 May 2002 08:01:56 -0700 
Bob Weissman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I subscribe to the SA Talk list for SpamAssassin discussions in
 digest mode. When I receive a digest, it shows all the headers in
 every digested message. So I get loads of List-*, Resent-*,
 Content-Type, etc., etc. headers in each and every digested message.
 IMHO, Mailman should remove these from outgoing digests. Any takers?

A MIME digest should contain unedited versions of the constituent
messages.  Why?  That way it can be burst back into the discrete
messages just as if the subscriber had received them that way in the
first place (and is the way digests are and were intended to be used).

Thanks for the explanation. I guess Eudora isn't handling these properly, then. I'll 
switch to a text digest.

- Bob



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[Mailman-Users] admin interface question

2002-05-29 Thread valerie


Can someone tell me where the verbage for the admin interface comes from?  
You know, where it says:
Configuration Categories
General Options
Membership Management
etc...
and has the Description/Value table below depending on which page you're 
on...

I'm trying to figure out a way to hide certain options so newbie 
listowners can't goof up their lists.

Thanks in advance...

Oh, I'm using version 2.0.10

-valerie



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Re: [Mailman-Users] Lists on listinfo page not showing up

2002-05-29 Thread William Waggoner

That's not my experience.

http://TheRack.greybeard.org/mailman/listinfo

and

http://therack.greybeard.org/mailman/listinfo

both give me the same page with the list information.  [Mailman 2.0.8]

Try it yourself.


Bill W

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  Any hint is appreciated.
 
 Watch the capital letters in the domain name. 
 
 http://Rauterkus.Com/mailman/listinfo/ -- shows lists
 http://rauterkus.com/mailman/listinfo/ -- hides lists
 
 Bug or Feature???
 
 
 
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[Mailman-Users] admin password reset

2002-05-29 Thread Ron Brogden

Howdy.  I have looked through the various FAQs for this as well as searching 
via Google and looking through the various admin commands in the bin 
directory with no luck.  If this is covered somewhere else, please let me 
know.

I am wondering how one goes about resetting the password for a given mailing 
list *without* having to delete and start from scratch.  config_list seems 
to have no password option available and the example password changing option 
for withlist (which I have made into its own script now), changes members 
but not a specific list.  

Any ideas or example code I can use with withlist?

Thanks in advance for any suggestions.

Cheers

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[Mailman-Users] changing subscriber options

2002-05-29 Thread Ron Brogden

Howdy.  I have another seemingly should be common question that I have not 
been able to answer myself.  

I made the mistake of subscribing a bunch of users without setting them to 
receive mail as a digest.  I don't want to un-subscribe and then re-add them 
as this will cause their passwords to be reset.  Is there anyway to change 
options for a list per user?  Is this something you can achieve using 
withlist or is there some other method that can be scripted? I really do 
not want to get carpel tunnel syndrome clicking a million times via the web 
interface.

=)

Any help appreciated.

Ron

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Re: [Mailman-Users] changing subscriber options

2002-05-29 Thread Ron Brogden

On May 30, 2002 12:04 am, you wrote:
 You really need to take a look at Mailman's web UI. It does this and what
 you asked for in your previous message.

That is simply not true for my problem with changing user settings.  It may 
be true for the admin password now that I think of it since I can hopefully 
use the site password to log into the list and change it there (as long as 
this remembers scope properly and doesn't change my password instead of the 
lists).  I do not think that this was covered in the manual however.  

As to my other question though. . .  

Mailman's web interface lets you make changes to users onesies twosies via 
one huge form with individual check boxes for every user (yuck).  This means 
that for a list with more than a handful of subscribers you are doing one 
hell of a lot of clicking and submitting.  In my case I am looking after the 
listbox itself and it is simply not reasonable to expect that I should have 
to click 1000+ checkboxes, another 34 clicks to go through each page, etc. 
times the number of lists on the box just to perform basic administration.  
Like I said, I do not want to get carpel tunnel syndrome just  from 
performing standard mass administration duties in Mailman.  

I *know* pretty much for a fact that there should be a way to achieve this 
via withlist but as I am not sure what the specific properties are that 
need to be changed or how to reference their methods, I am asking for help 
here.

So again, if anyone can suggest how to *from the command line* adjust list 
members options (so that it can be scripted), I would definitely appreciate 
it.

Cheers,

Ron

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[Mailman-Users] New to Mailman -- Dropped messages to list owner's own email

2002-05-29 Thread Scott Courtney

Good evening, all, or good morning to those in distant time zones!

I've been using Mailman for just shy of a week, with generally good results,
but have run into a very strange problem as my configuration complexity has
grown. I've been to the FAQ, the online docs, and numerous Google searches of
the list archives, to no avail. I'm sure someone has seen this before, and
I'm hoping you can help.

The configuration is this: I am on a Linux server where I have root privileges
but do not own the server. Because of this, I try to keep as many of my
configurations as possible confined to my regular login, so as not to disrupt
the rest of the functions of this machine.

I have Mailman 2.1b2 (beta) installed in ~/mailman. By the way, I tried the
stable version first and encountered this same (exactly!) problem, and went to
the beta in hopes that it would be fixed -- so I don't think it's a beta bug.

I own two domains and want to share one instance of Mailman between them. Call
the domains d1.com and d2.net. Neither of these domains is the official
domain in which the server lives. I read the docs on how to do this, got
Mailman set up, and everything is working perfectly with the exception of the
one issue. All through-the-web interfaces are working flawlessly, including
the archives.

Now, to avoid an intrusive bunch of changes to /etc/mail/virtusertable and
/etc/aliases, I am setting up Mailman to use procmail for local routing within
my own login. Here is the setup:

/etc/mail/virtusertable:

@d1.com local:mylogin
@d2.net local:mylogin
[EMAIL PROTECTED] local:mylogin

In ~/.procmailrc:

LOGFILE=/home/mylogin/Procmail/log

:0:
* ^TO_\/(mylogin|myotherlogin)@d1.com
$DEFAULT
:0fw
* ^[EMAIL PROTECTED]
|/home/mylogin/mailman/mail/mailman post staff
:0fw
* ^TO_staff-\/(owner|admin|bouncesand so on...|subscribe)@d2.net
|M=`echo $MATCH | sed -e '[EMAIL PROTECTED]//'`  /home/mylogin/mailman/mail/mailman $M staff

Now, EVERYTHING is working great -- users can subscribe, post messages, list
owner features and user features from web work fine. All messages go to the
archives, just like clockwork. Everything works -- except that *I* get no mail
from the list!

I have tried sending mail to the list from several subscribed addresses, and it
all goes through and posts to everyone but my two main addresses. Oddly enough,
all regular inbound mail is caught by the first procmail rule and stays in my
$DEFAULT folder as intended. I have verified this by temporarily putting another
folder name in there.

No errors in any of the SMTP logs, Mailman logs, or procmail logs. The procmail
log shows a one-byte message being posted to my /var/spool/mail/mylogin mailbox.
That's the only anomaly.

Any ideas?

Kind regards,

Scott

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[Mailman-Users] bcc problem

2002-05-29 Thread River Brandon

i have a number of lists on mailman and have been very happy. recently,
though, the software has started holding messages for approval due to
implicit destinations. the problem is that there are no implicit
destinations (bcc) in the messages. on top of that, i am not receiving
administrative notifications when the messages are held. has anyone else
experienced something like this?

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Re: [Mailman-Users] New to Mailman -- Dropped messages to list owner's own email

2002-05-29 Thread Raquel Rice

On Wed, 29 May 2002 21:42:13 -0400
Scott Courtney Scott Courtney [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Good evening, all, or good morning to those in distant time zones!

snip

  Everything works -- except that *I*
 get no mail
 from the list!
 
 I have tried sending mail to the list from several subscribed
 addresses, and it
 all goes through and posts to everyone but my two main addresses.
 Oddly enough,
 all regular inbound mail is caught by the first procmail rule and
 stays in my
 $DEFAULT folder as intended. I have verified this by temporarily
 putting another
 folder name in there.
 
 No errors in any of the SMTP logs, Mailman logs, or procmail logs.
 The procmail
 log shows a one-byte message being posted to my
 /var/spool/mail/mylogin mailbox.
 That's the only anomaly.
 
 Any ideas?
 
 Kind regards,
 
 Scott

Scott,

I like checking the easy stuff first.  Have you subscribed your two
main addresses to the lists?  Are those two addresses set to
nomail?

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