[Mailman-Users] Importing Listserv Archives
Hope this is possible... I have changed from using Listserv to Mailman for my mailing list, but I require listserv's old archives in my current archive. Is there any way that I can import Listserv's archives into Mailman? I hope there is... Thanks, Anthony Carter p.s. Please cc me as I am not sure if I am still a member of the group. I think I am. -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Importing Listserv Archives
I am actually part of the list so no worries about not cc'ing me... Anthony On Tue, 2003-07-15 at 15:26, CARTER Anthony wrote: Hope this is possible... I have changed from using Listserv to Mailman for my mailing list, but I require listserv's old archives in my current archive. Is there any way that I can import Listserv's archives into Mailman? I hope there is... Thanks, Anthony Carter p.s. Please cc me as I am not sure if I am still a member of the group. I think I am. -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/a.carter%40cordis.lu -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
[Mailman-Users] Editing emails
Can anyone tell me how to edit the system emails, such as the welcome letter that goes out after clicking on the confirmation link for a new subscriber? Specifically, it contains the following statement: To post to this list, send your email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I don't want that statement in the email because no one but me is authorized to post to the list. It also makes reference to changing to digest mode. My list does not have that option. Thanks, John -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Mailman-Users] question about mailman...
There is a personalization settings, look back in the archives a bit, it allows you to add email address per email and I think a few other variables, there may do the trick you are looking for. There was a posting a few days ago regarding this, it is sometimes also listed with discussion on VERPS -Original Message- From: John Chilton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, July 13, 2003 7:09 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Mailman-Users] question about mailman... Importance: High Greetings, Is it possible to use mailman with variables that will enable more personalization to a message. For example, (Joe is the variable). Dear Joe, Thank you Joe for the email. Joe, we will answer your question as soon as possible. Take care, Joe. Regards I currently use a different mail program (listmailpro.com). The database holds more information than mailman. If mailman could add the user name to the database in addition to the email address, it would seem the variable option would be easier to do. If the variable option is currently available using a persons first or last name, could you please point me to the reference so I can learn how to use mailman. kind regards, john ---end of message--- -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/tech-mail %40prupref.com -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Mailman-Users] Editing emails
you can change it to authorize rather than confirm and then no email goes out. or you can add them using the mass subscribe (dependent on how your list runs). Both of these no message is sent (or at least optionally) -Original Message- From: John Grafflin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, July 11, 2003 10:32 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Mailman-Users] Editing emails Can anyone tell me how to edit the system emails, such as the welcome letter that goes out after clicking on the confirmation link for a new subscriber? Specifically, it contains the following statement: To post to this list, send your email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I don't want that statement in the email because no one but me is authorized to post to the list. It also makes reference to changing to digest mode. My list does not have that option. Thanks, John -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/tech-mail %40prupref.com -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
[Mailman-Users] non existent attachments on anonymous
More interesting changes with this surprise upgrade to 2.1.2 ... and I, the Mailman newbie. I had a problem with the anonymous list because the from: included -admin in the string. It looked ugly and I didn't know why it was required. This is fixed in this new version. :) Thanks. Finding that recipient variable was good but now I have other funky and unexpected stuff. Almost every message has an attachment icon showing up in OE! And I just spent an entire week dealing with user viruses and telling them how important it was to not open attachments... the thing is, there were no attachments, just the icon indication of one. And this list should not allow attachments! How funky is that? I figure it has something to do with MIME types, but I'm confuddled with the whole html versus text thing in Mailman. My footers look disastrous too. Anyways... I'm off to look at the Mailman faq cause surely this is funky for someone else. Cody -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] question about mailman...
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 John Chilton wrote: Is it possible to use mailman with variables that will enable more personalization to a message. Yes. If the variable option is currently available using a persons first or last name, could you please point me to the reference so I can learn how to use mailman. See this FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showfile=faq03.015.htp - -- Todd OpenPGP - KeyID: 0xD654075A | URL: www.pobox.com/~tmz/pgp A hacker's interpretation of the 1st 2nd amendments: They can have my computer when they pry the gun from my cold dead fingers. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: When crypto is outlawed bayl bhgynjf jvyy unir cevinpl. iD8DBQE/FC5auv+09NZUB1oRAsVUAKCahpu+5J4d9zi4OaVPqcQZfNUi8wCgi1eW weZ/fug7ZCFTO9qkOIKX6Jc= =JVJv -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Editing emails
John, Look in ~mailman/templates/en and look at subscribeack.txt. If you change this particular file, it will affect all the lists on that system. If you want to make the change for just one list, create a directory ~mailman/lists/listname/en and copy subscribeack.txt there and edit it. At least I believe you don't need listname/templates/en there, but I can't find my reference for this at the moment. Hope this helps. John Grafflin wrote: Can anyone tell me how to edit the system emails, such as the welcome letter that goes out after clicking on the confirmation link for a new subscriber? Specifically, it contains the following statement: To post to this list, send your email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I don't want that statement in the email because no one but me is authorized to post to the list. It also makes reference to changing to digest mode. My list does not have that option. -- John DeCarlo, My Views Are My Own -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
[Mailman-Users] more names per page in the admin lookup?
I've asked before, but had no answer: If some kind person will remind me how to change the administrative page setting so we get more than 30 names per page, it would really help. Thanks! jc -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
[Mailman-Users] The easiest way to subscribe with a no deliverysetting?
I need to add ~80 names to a list and have these particular subscribers set to not receive email. Is there a way to do this when bulk adding? Is there a way to request this type of setting when adding if you subscribe via email? I know that I can mass add them, then go to the administrative page and change their settings one-by-one. The problem is that these names will be mixed among the ~1000 names that were already added, and I'll have to go thru them in 30 name chunks! :-( Finally, if some kind person will remind me how to change the administrative page setting so we get more than 30 names per page, it would really help. Thanks! jc -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
[Mailman-Users] Footer message in html email
Is there any way to have a footer message in an HTML email message? From what I have read, the answer is no, but figured there might be a workaround. I need to be able to send a personalized link in the footer message, which Mailman does wonderfully, but the email is HTML. Any ideas? -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Footer message in html email
--On Tuesday, July 15, 2003 14:58:57 -0700 Jason Buscema [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is there any way to have a footer message in an HTML email message? From what I have read, the answer is no, but figured there might be a workaround. I need to be able to send a personalized link in the footer message, which Mailman does wonderfully, but the email is HTML. Any ideas? don't send HTML :-) Seriously, though, I asked the same thing, and Barry basically vetoed it. if you find a way (even with a local patch), I'm all eyes. I have a $CLIENT that would love it. LER -- Larry Rosenman http://www.lerctr.org/~ler Phone: +1 972-414-9812 E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] US Mail: 1905 Steamboat Springs Drive, Garland, TX 75044-6749 -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Footer message in html email
Ha... I'm in the same boat really... I discouraged the client from sending HTML emails, but they insisted. The email recipients actually prefer the HTML vs plain text now, to my surprise. We use Mailman to send the daily emails, but we do not use Mailman for list management (at least for this list). The management is handled through the web site itself (skyy.com) using MySql. A user creates an account, then from there they can subscribe to a list. We want the daily messages to have a link with a unique ID in it for a quick unsubscribe. I had the method all worked out, then we went w/ HTML emails :( don't send HTML :-) Seriously, though, I asked the same thing, and Barry basically vetoed it. if you find a way (even with a local patch), I'm all eyes. I have a $CLIENT that would love it. LER -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Footer message in html email
HTML allows the e-mails to be well layed out. Things to be bolded to ppl don't have to hunt for them. Wait a minute, i'm not sending to the mailman list! I'm sending to you. Oops ^_^. Anyways. I'' just add it to CC. - Original Message - From: Jason Buscema [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Cody Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2003 7:14 PM Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Footer message in html email For me, I'm anti HTML emails for our clients because of the extra traffic that it incurs. On 7/15/03 3:12 PM, Cody Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why is that people are anti HTML? How about if sites went anti html? - Original Message - From: Jason Buscema [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2003 7:08 PM Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Footer message in html email Ha... I'm in the same boat really... I discouraged the client from sending HTML emails, but they insisted. The email recipients actually prefer the HTML vs plain text now, to my surprise. We use Mailman to send the daily emails, but we do not use Mailman for list management (at least for this list). The management is handled through the web site itself (skyy.com) using MySql. A user creates an account, then from there they can subscribe to a list. We want the daily messages to have a link with a unique ID in it for a quick unsubscribe. I had the method all worked out, then we went w/ HTML emails :( don't send HTML :-) Seriously, though, I asked the same thing, and Barry basically vetoed it. if you find a way (even with a local patch), I'm all eyes. I have a $CLIENT that would love it. LER -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/hchs%40ns.sympatico.ca -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Footer message in html email
I don't fully agree although I'm not a big fan of html emails myself. We use it on the SKYY Vodka website for users that want to receive a daily drink recipe and/or want to receive a quarterly newsletter type thing. Its an entertainment website. We've always given the users the option for either plain or html and recently more people have chosen HTML, even for the daily message. The daily message consists of a unique recipe with a picture of the drink and Skyy flavor, etc. Regardless, I still need to figure out a way to have a personalized footer message in an HTML message. Changing the message from HTML to plain text isn't an option either. On 7/15/03 3:31 PM, Customer Technical Support [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: HTML in email sucks. If I want to see a damn web page I'll go to the URL. Most people use HTML to dress up spam or otherwise hide the fact that they had nothing worthwhile to say anyway. I filter ALL HTML out of any mail I get. Its extremely unprofessional to use. At 07:17 PM 7/15/2003 -0300, Cody Harris wrote: HTML allows the e-mails to be well layed out. Things to be bolded to ppl don't have to hunt for them. Wait a minute, i'm not sending to the mailman list! I'm sending to you. Oops ^_^. Anyways. I'' just add it to CC. - Original Message - From: Jason Buscema [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Cody Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2003 7:14 PM Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Footer message in html email For me, I'm anti HTML emails for our clients because of the extra traffic that it incurs. On 7/15/03 3:12 PM, Cody Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why is that people are anti HTML? How about if sites went anti html? - Original Message - From: Jason Buscema [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2003 7:08 PM Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Footer message in html email Ha... I'm in the same boat really... I discouraged the client from sending HTML emails, but they insisted. The email recipients actually prefer the HTML vs plain text now, to my surprise. We use Mailman to send the daily emails, but we do not use Mailman for list management (at least for this list). The management is handled through the web site itself (skyy.com) using MySql. A user creates an account, then from there they can subscribe to a list. We want the daily messages to have a link with a unique ID in it for a quick unsubscribe. I had the method all worked out, then we went w/ HTML emails :( don't send HTML :-) Seriously, though, I asked the same thing, and Barry basically vetoed it. if you find a way (even with a local patch), I'm all eyes. I have a $CLIENT that would love it. LER -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/hchs%40ns.sympatico.ca -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/support%40pczero.net -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Footer message in html email
On Tuesday, July 15, 2003, at 11:35 PM, Cody Harris wrote: If it was suddenly unprofessional to not use HTML and use XML, would you follow? The use of XML and HTML are not equivalent. Using XML to semantically markup data for transmission via email is justified where it is used to remove ambiguity in the data; I contrast this with the XML markup generated with similar objectives to HTML markup by some popular PC applications in particular. IMNSHO filling people's mail boxes, burning their bandwidth and spam and junk mail filter performance with mail tarted up using HTML is not justified. HMTL email is for the most part, like much HTML markup on web pages, a triumph of form over content. - Original Message - From: Customer Technical Support [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Cody Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Mailman [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Jason Buscema [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2003 7:31 PM Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Footer message in html email HTML in email sucks. If I want to see a damn web page I'll go to the URL. Most people use HTML to dress up spam or otherwise hide the fact that they had nothing worthwhile to say anyway. I filter ALL HTML out of any mail I get. Its extremely unprofessional to use. At 07:17 PM 7/15/2003 -0300, Cody Harris wrote: HTML allows the e-mails to be well layed out. Things to be bolded to ppl don't have to hunt for them. Wait a minute, i'm not sending to the mailman list! I'm sending to you. Oops ^_^. Anyways. I'' just add it to CC. - Original Message - From: Jason Buscema [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Cody Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2003 7:14 PM Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Footer message in html email For me, I'm anti HTML emails for our clients because of the extra traffic that it incurs. On 7/15/03 3:12 PM, Cody Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why is that people are anti HTML? How about if sites went anti html? - Original Message - From: Jason Buscema [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2003 7:08 PM Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Footer message in html email Ha... I'm in the same boat really... I discouraged the client from sending HTML emails, but they insisted. The email recipients actually prefer the HTML vs plain text now, to my surprise. We use Mailman to send the daily emails, but we do not use Mailman for list management (at least for this list). The management is handled through the web site itself (skyy.com) using MySql. A user creates an account, then from there they can subscribe to a list. We want the daily messages to have a link with a unique ID in it for a quick unsubscribe. I had the method all worked out, then we went w/ HTML emails :( don't send HTML :-) Seriously, though, I asked the same thing, and Barry basically vetoed it. if you find a way (even with a local patch), I'm all eyes. I have a $CLIENT that would love it. LER -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/ hchs%40ns.sympatico.ca -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/ support%40pczero.net -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/ r.barrett%40openinfo.co.uk -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Footer message in html email
And you cant say that more and more people are NOT getting tired of having the mail they receive all cluttered up with look pretty garbage and less real content. t 08:11 PM 7/15/2003 -0300, Cody Harris wrote: Think what you like, but you can't say taht more and more people want HTML e-mails. - Original Message - From: Richard Barrett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Cody Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Mailman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2003 8:05 PM Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Footer message in html email On Tuesday, July 15, 2003, at 11:35 PM, Cody Harris wrote: If it was suddenly unprofessional to not use HTML and use XML, would you follow? The use of XML and HTML are not equivalent. Using XML to semantically markup data for transmission via email is justified where it is used to remove ambiguity in the data; I contrast this with the XML markup generated with similar objectives to HTML markup by some popular PC applications in particular. IMNSHO filling people's mail boxes, burning their bandwidth and spam and junk mail filter performance with mail tarted up using HTML is not justified. HMTL email is for the most part, like much HTML markup on web pages, a triumph of form over content. - Original Message - From: Customer Technical Support [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Cody Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Mailman [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Jason Buscema [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2003 7:31 PM Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Footer message in html email HTML in email sucks. If I want to see a damn web page I'll go to the URL. Most people use HTML to dress up spam or otherwise hide the fact that they had nothing worthwhile to say anyway. I filter ALL HTML out of any mail I get. Its extremely unprofessional to use. At 07:17 PM 7/15/2003 -0300, Cody Harris wrote: HTML allows the e-mails to be well layed out. Things to be bolded to ppl don't have to hunt for them. Wait a minute, i'm not sending to the mailman list! I'm sending to you. Oops ^_^. Anyways. I'' just add it to CC. - Original Message - From: Jason Buscema [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Cody Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2003 7:14 PM Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Footer message in html email For me, I'm anti HTML emails for our clients because of the extra traffic that it incurs. On 7/15/03 3:12 PM, Cody Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why is that people are anti HTML? How about if sites went anti html? - Original Message - From: Jason Buscema [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2003 7:08 PM Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Footer message in html email Ha... I'm in the same boat really... I discouraged the client from sending HTML emails, but they insisted. The email recipients actually prefer the HTML vs plain text now, to my surprise. We use Mailman to send the daily emails, but we do not use Mailman for list management (at least for this list). The management is handled through the web site itself (skyy.com) using MySql. A user creates an account, then from there they can subscribe to a list. We want the daily messages to have a link with a unique ID in it for a quick unsubscribe. I had the method all worked out, then we went w/ HTML emails :( don't send HTML :-) Seriously, though, I asked the same thing, and Barry basically vetoed it. if you find a way (even with a local patch), I'm all eyes. I have a $CLIENT that would love it. LER -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/ hchs%40ns.sympatico.ca -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/ support%40pczero.net -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at
Re: [Mailman-Users] Footer message in html email
This puts me back to my original post... the reason I want to have a personalized footer message in my HTML emails is so that a user can click the link to unsubscribe. Again, we don't use Mailman management for this list. If the user is getting tired of HTML emails, they can click a link and change to plain text, or they click another link and be removed from the list completely. Pretty simple really... we're just giving the user an option on how they want to clutter their inbox. On 7/15/03 4:14 PM, Customer Technical Support [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And you cant say that more and more people are NOT getting tired of having the mail they receive all cluttered up with look pretty garbage and less real content. t 08:11 PM 7/15/2003 -0300, Cody Harris wrote: Think what you like, but you can't say taht more and more people want HTML e-mails. - Original Message - From: Richard Barrett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Cody Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Mailman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2003 8:05 PM Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Footer message in html email On Tuesday, July 15, 2003, at 11:35 PM, Cody Harris wrote: If it was suddenly unprofessional to not use HTML and use XML, would you follow? The use of XML and HTML are not equivalent. Using XML to semantically markup data for transmission via email is justified where it is used to remove ambiguity in the data; I contrast this with the XML markup generated with similar objectives to HTML markup by some popular PC applications in particular. IMNSHO filling people's mail boxes, burning their bandwidth and spam and junk mail filter performance with mail tarted up using HTML is not justified. HMTL email is for the most part, like much HTML markup on web pages, a triumph of form over content. - Original Message - From: Customer Technical Support [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Cody Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Mailman [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Jason Buscema [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2003 7:31 PM Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Footer message in html email HTML in email sucks. If I want to see a damn web page I'll go to the URL. Most people use HTML to dress up spam or otherwise hide the fact that they had nothing worthwhile to say anyway. I filter ALL HTML out of any mail I get. Its extremely unprofessional to use. At 07:17 PM 7/15/2003 -0300, Cody Harris wrote: HTML allows the e-mails to be well layed out. Things to be bolded to ppl don't have to hunt for them. Wait a minute, i'm not sending to the mailman list! I'm sending to you. Oops ^_^. Anyways. I'' just add it to CC. - Original Message - From: Jason Buscema [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Cody Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2003 7:14 PM Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Footer message in html email For me, I'm anti HTML emails for our clients because of the extra traffic that it incurs. On 7/15/03 3:12 PM, Cody Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why is that people are anti HTML? How about if sites went anti html? - Original Message - From: Jason Buscema [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2003 7:08 PM Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Footer message in html email Ha... I'm in the same boat really... I discouraged the client from sending HTML emails, but they insisted. The email recipients actually prefer the HTML vs plain text now, to my surprise. We use Mailman to send the daily emails, but we do not use Mailman for list management (at least for this list). The management is handled through the web site itself (skyy.com) using MySql. A user creates an account, then from there they can subscribe to a list. We want the daily messages to have a link with a unique ID in it for a quick unsubscribe. I had the method all worked out, then we went w/ HTML emails :( don't send HTML :-) Seriously, though, I asked the same thing, and Barry basically vetoed it. if you find a way (even with a local patch), I'm all eyes. I have a $CLIENT that would love it. LER -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/ hchs%40ns.sympatico.ca -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at
Re: [Mailman-Users] Footer message in html email
Sorry for the confusion. I use Mailman for all my lists that I run. For this specific list I use Mailman for everything except user management. This part is handled through a MySql DB and syncs w/ Mailman each night. If I didn't have to do HTML I wouldn't, but in this case I need to do it. That said... Does the same hold true for a header as it does for a footer? Thanks for the info... I don't have too much experience w/ HTML emails. I'm confused. If you're not using mailman for the list, why are you asking us for help on this topic? The problem with HTML is that there is no standard way of knowing where the bottom of the message is (as perceived by the user), and therefore you can't really attach a footer at the bottom. You could encapsulate the entire HTML message and use a MIME multipart, but how that would be displayed would vary greatly depending on the MUA. So, the basic answer is -- it can't be done. Not with HTML e-mail. This is one of the many reasons why people who've been doing e-mail for a while consider it to be one of the worst evils that has been visited upon the Internet -- usually just below spam. -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
[Mailman-Users] Re: The easiest way to subscribe with a nodelivery setting?
At 05:35 PM 7/15/2003, you wrote: I need to add ~80 names to a list and have these particular subscribers set to not receive email. Is there a way to do this when bulk adding? In the mailman/bin folder is a command line program that allows you to add members as digest. Maybe it could be hacked to allow you to do no mail subs? When I run bin/add_members -help I get: -- Usage: add_members [options] listname Options: --regular-members-file=file -r file A file containing addresses of the members to be added, one address per line. This list of people become non-digest members. If file is `-', read addresses from stdin. Note that -n/--non-digest-members-file are deprecated synonyms for this option. --digest-members-file=file -d file Similar to above, but these people become digest members. So what is needed is a --no-mail option. But the coding is way beyond me - sorry. Paul -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
[Mailman-Users] member search
Just ran a member search with the bin/find_member command. Showed me all matches and what lists they were on - very nice. I would like to make the search available to some list mods who don't have ssh access, and would not have a clue what to do with it if they did. Has anyone coded a web page that collects the search parameters, passes them to bin/find_member, and outputs the results? I'm sure I can code it, but if someone has already invented this wheel Paul, feeling lazy tonight -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
[Mailman-Users] un-subscribe
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Footer message in html email
At 5:19 PM -0700 2003/07/15, Jason Buscema wrote: Sorry for the confusion. I use Mailman for all my lists that I run. For this specific list I use Mailman for everything except user management. This part is handled through a MySql DB and syncs w/ Mailman each night. Oh. Okay. Sorry, must have missed that part. That said... Does the same hold true for a header as it does for a footer? Thanks for the info... I don't have too much experience w/ HTML emails. The problem is that you'd have to build a complete HTML engine into your mail processing program, so that you could determine how the page would appear to your recipients. Then, you could determine where you might be able to add a header or footer. But then, you'd get into debates as to which HTML engine you'd have to embed, which browsers you'd have to emulate, and whether or not your HTML engine really does accurately emulate those browsers, etc When it comes to HTML e-mail, there really aren't any easy answers. -- Brad Knowles, [EMAIL PROTECTED] They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania. GCS/IT d+(-) s:+(++): a C++(+++)$ UMBSHI$ P+++ L+ !E-(---) W+++(--) N+ !w--- O- M++ V PS++(+++) PE- Y+(++) PGP+++ t+(+++) 5++(+++) X++(+++) R+(+++) tv+(+++) b+() DI+() D+(++) G+() e++ h--- r---(+++)* z(+++) -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] more names per page in the admin lookup?
On Tue, 2003-07-15 at 16:10, JC Dill wrote: I've asked before, but had no answer: If some kind person will remind me how to change the administrative page setting so we get more than 30 names per page, it would really help. Thanks! jc Change it in mm_cfg.py (See Defaults.py for the exact syntax) -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Footer message in html email
Just curious, but what would be the problem in looking for an html message and if the message is html, placing the footer directly in front of the /body tag - or if that is missing, in front of the /html tag - or if that is missing, simply putting it at the end of the message. That seems like it would accommodate 99% of the situations discussed here. The coding for that would also be fairly straightforward. Jon in ignorance Carnes On Tue, 2003-07-15 at 20:03, Brad Knowles wrote: At 4:53 PM -0700 2003/07/15, Jason Buscema wrote: This puts me back to my original post... the reason I want to have a personalized footer message in my HTML emails is so that a user can click the link to unsubscribe. Again, we don't use Mailman management for this list. I'm confused. If you're not using mailman for the list, why are you asking us for help on this topic? The problem with HTML is that there is no standard way of knowing where the bottom of the message is (as perceived by the user), and therefore you can't really attach a footer at the bottom. You could encapsulate the entire HTML message and use a MIME multipart, but how that would be displayed would vary greatly depending on the MUA. So, the basic answer is -- it can't be done. Not with HTML e-mail. This is one of the many reasons why people who've been doing e-mail for a while consider it to be one of the worst evils that has been visited upon the Internet -- usually just below spam. -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
