Re: [Mailman-Users] Where are list member addresses stored?

2004-01-20 Thread Erick Mechler
:: I'm getting error messages from Yahoo saying that
:: [EMAIL PROTECTED] can't be found!
:: 
:: I would like to look at the file that contains the list
:: member email addresses to try todope this out.

~mailman/bin/list_members [listname]

This information is stored in the config.pck file in ~mailman/lists/

Cheers - Erick

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Re: [Mailman-Users] How do I limit posts?

2004-01-20 Thread Erick Mechler
:: How do I configure a list so that members can't post. I want only the
:: moderators to be able to post.

Please read the FAQ before posting:

  http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showfile=faq03.011.htp

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[Mailman-Users] How to use Mailman with windows 2000?

2004-01-20 Thread Ana
Hi all,

I read in the requeriments page that Mailman currently not work on windows.
I need to now if someone manage to work it in windows and how to did it?

Thanks in advance.


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Re: [Mailman-Users] Where are list member addresses stored?

2004-01-20 Thread Pete Holsberg
On Tue, 20 Jan 2004, Erick Mechler wrote:

 :: I'm getting error messages from Yahoo saying that
 :: [EMAIL PROTECTED] can't be found!
 :: 
 :: I would like to look at the file that contains the list
 :: member email addresses to try todope this out.
 
 ~mailman/bin/list_members [listname]
 
 This information is stored in the config.pck file in ~mailman/lists/
 
 Cheers - Erick
 

Thanks, Erick. I got

Traceback (innermost last):
  File ./list_members, line 139, in ?
main()
  File ./list_members, line 113, in main
mlist = MailList.MailList(listname, lock=0)
  File /home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py, line 62, in __init__
self.Load()
  File /home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py, line 810, in Load
raise Errors.MMBadListError, 'Failed to access config info'
MMBadListError: Failed to access config info



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[Mailman-Users] Welcome email

2004-01-20 Thread Bill Sholar
We have mailman on a dedicated server which hosts several domains.

Domain owners creating a new mailman list get a welcome email that inserts
the server name where you'd expect the relevant domain name  Such as
links to http://server.serverdomain.com/mailman/admin/newlist_userdomain.com
instead of http://userdomain.com/mailman/admin/newlist_userdomain.com (which
does work, but is not how it should display), and email addresses such as
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (which does NOT
work) instead of [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Any suggestions?  Thanks much!


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Re: [Mailman-Users] 2 mailman instances with postfix

2004-01-20 Thread Jon Carnes
On Tue, 2004-01-20 at 04:31, Christian Schoepplein wrote:
 Hi!
 
 Is it possible to use 2 mailman installations with one postfix mta on a 
 server? How do I have to configure postfix / mailman, that for example 
 no problems ocure with equal listaliases in the 1. and 2. mailman 
 installation. The tow mailman instances are using different domains, so 
 maybe postfix can sort out somehow which alias should be used. 
 
 Regards,
 Schoeppi

I have multiple installs on my test machine some that use sendmail and
others that use postfix, so it's no problem to have multiple Mailman
installs on a system all using the same MTA - at least technically.

You've nailed the administrative problem though... I don't think there
is a check to see if the alias already exists.  Now Postfix will give
you an error to alert you of the duplicate alias, but I don't think that
Mailman listens for that - so the duplicate alias would be added.

Of course Postfix would sort it out by using the first match in its hash
tables, so the mail would go to one of the installs. Still that isn't
much help.

You could simply write a script to look for duplicates between the two
sites and have that kicked off by the Create List routine - or add that
as an external script and send an alert to the administrators when there
is a collision. You could even have the script rename the newer alias.

Good Luck - Jon Carnes


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Re: [Mailman-Users] How to use Mailman with windows 2000?

2004-01-20 Thread Jon Carnes
On Tue, 2004-01-20 at 07:18, Ana wrote:
 Hi all,
 
 I read in the requeriments page that Mailman currently not work on windows.
 I need to now if someone manage to work it in windows and how to did it?
 
 Thanks in advance.
 
Here's the deal...

You can get Mailman to work on Windows.
It requires so much expertise to get it working that you might as well
simply install a Linux box - on which it is trivial to install.

The choice of a gnu generation is yours to make,

Jon Carnes


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Re: [Mailman-Users] What is the mailman mailing list used for?

2004-01-20 Thread John DeCarlo
Skip,

In the absence of Barry giving a definitive answer, my guess would be 
that this is a cleaner design.  It works for situations with just one 
person and also works for situations with many, many people involved 
(such as at a large company or a Mailman hosting service).

Skip Montanaro wrote:

I asked about this a couple days ago, but it was buried in another message,
so maybe nobody saw it.  Why is the mailman mailing list necessary?
Pre-2.1, I just had an alias which pointed to me.  Now I apparently need a
fully functioning Mailman list called mailman.  I read the FAQ at
http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showfile=faq04.025.htp

but it doesn't explain why a list (as opposed to a simple alias) is
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Bounces

2004-01-20 Thread John DeCarlo
Charlie,

Charlie Hazlett wrote:

I have read and read, but I cannot seem to understand the BOUNCE !!  I have 
people sending mail to the list, using the correct list address and they 
get bounced.  Why is that ???

Someone please explain the bounce thing in plain English for this thick skull 
???
There are many different reasons for Bounce messages.  If you could post 
 a particular one, someone on the list could undoubtedly explain it to 
you.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] How to use Mailman with windows 2000?

2004-01-20 Thread Ana
- Original Message -
From: Jon Carnes [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Ana [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2004 3:38 PM
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] How to use Mailman with windows 2000?


 On Tue, 2004-01-20 at 07:18, Ana wrote:
  Hi all,
 
  I read in the requeriments page that Mailman currently not work on
windows.
  I need to now if someone manage to work it in windows and how to did it?
 
  Thanks in advance.
 
 Here's the deal...

 You can get Mailman to work on Windows.
 It requires so much expertise to get it working that you might as well
 simply install a Linux box - on which it is trivial to install.

 The choice of a gnu generation is yours to make,

 Jon Carnes


Well but, how i can do it, please?


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Re: [Mailman-Users] 2 mailman instances with postfix

2004-01-20 Thread Jon Carnes
On Tue, 2004-01-20 at 10:03, Christian Schoepplein wrote:
 Hi John!
 
 Thanks for your answer!
 
snip
 
 I thought about using the same alias-File for all mailman
 installations..., but I don't know how mailman checks if a list
 allready exists or not. Is mailman only searching through the alias
 file to check if a list allready exists or is a database used, where
 the listnames and other things are stored. Is the alias file checked
 first and would a new list only be created, if the name for a new list
 isn't found in the alias file...
 
 I think I have to take a look in the mailman code :-(. Or do you have
 anny hints?
 
 Regards,
 Schoeppi

Last time I looked at this, Mailman checked for the existence of a
config file in the ~mailman/lists/listname/ directory.  If no
config.db, config.pck, or config.bak existed in this directory then it
created the listname.

It did not check the aliases files.


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[Mailman-Users] how limit traffic

2004-01-20 Thread Navegante
Hi!

I need to use a newsletter with 2400 email adresses (op-in list)but my 
hosting plan doesn´t allow me to send more than 200 mails in one shot 
(recent spaming issues and server black lists from other users).

Is there a way to force  Mailman spit the list in 200 mails (12 lists!) or 
does shots of 200 adresses per time limit? Can i use some sort of cron jobs?

I would apreciate you help! Thanks!



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Charlie Hazlett wrote:
I have a subscriber who received a bounce warning and I have no idea why
she received it.  Her email address is correct and she has had no problems
with her email that I am aware of.
 Start with the mailman bounce log prefix/mailman/logs and look for 
her bounce information with something like

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 Use the times on the bounces to then search your servers mail logs 
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Hi,
I am trying to use the web interface to open a new mailing list,
and I have the follow error:
Bug in Mailman version 2.1.3

We're sorry, we hit a bug!
If you would like to help us identify the problem, please email a copy of
this page to the webmaster for this site with a description of what
happened. Thanks!
Traceback:

Traceback (most recent call last):
  File /usr/local/mailman/scripts/driver, line 87, in run_main
main()
  File /usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/create.py, line 55, in main
process_request(doc, cgidata)
  File /usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/create.py, line 219, in
process_request
sys.modules[modname].create(mlist, cgi=1)
  File /usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MTA/Postfix.py, line 232, in create
_update_maps()
  File /usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MTA/Postfix.py, line 53, in
_update_maps
raise RuntimeError, msg % (acmd, status, errstr)
RuntimeError: command failed: /usr/local/sbin/postalias
/usr/local/mailman/data/aliases (status: 1, Not owner)
Info: SunFireV100 running Solaris 9 + Postfix + python 2.2.2 + GCC
3.2.2
Any help is welcome
Thanks in advance.
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Stephan

I used the cmd bin/withlist -l -r fix_url mylistname -u my_url_here

Seems to work fine.

Joe

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Hi!

Linda Pahdoco wrote:
 When you create the list, create it as [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 instead
 of just as listname.  You can use withlist fix_url to update the
 existing lists if you have access to the shell on the list server.  If
 you don't, ask your hosting company to fix it for you.

I want to 

RE: [Mailman-Users] 2 mailman instances with postfix

2004-01-20 Thread Mike Williams

 I thought about using the same alias-File for all mailman
 installations..., but I don't know how mailman checks if a list
 allready exists or not. Is mailman only searching through the alias
 file to check if a list allready exists or is a database used, where
 the listnames and other things are stored. Is the alias file checked
 first and would a new list only be created, if the name for a new list
 isn't found in the alias file...
 
 I think I have to take a look in the mailman code :-(. Or do you have
 anny hints?
 
 Regards,
 Schoeppi

Last time I looked at this, Mailman checked for the existence of a
config file in the ~mailman/lists/listname/ directory.  If no
config.db, config.pck, or config.bak existed in this directory then it
created the listname.

It did not check the aliases files.

(Apologies to Jon Carnes. I meant to reply to the list)
My understanding is that the MTA checks the alias file and sends the
mesage to the appropriate Mailman install, according to the alias file.
Here's my question: How do you install multiple instances of Mailman?
I'm using SuSE Professional 8.1 with Mailman 2.0.13 and would like to
install 2.1.4 concurrently.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] How to use Mailman with windows 2000?

2004-01-20 Thread Szilard Vizi
Hello,

  I need to now if someone manage to work it in windows and how to did
 it?
 You can get Mailman to work on Windows.
 It requires so much expertise to get it working that you might as well
 simply install a Linux box - on which it is trivial to install.

 Well but, how i can do it, please?

If you are really want to run Mailman on Windows read this
FAQ entry:

http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showfile=faq05.002.htp

Szilard Vizi

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Re: [Mailman-Users] how limit traffic

2004-01-20 Thread Ed Wilts
On Mon, Jan 19, 2004 at 04:52:09PM +, Navegante wrote:
 I need to use a newsletter with 2400 email adresses (op-in list)but my 
 hosting plan doesn?t allow me to send more than 200 mails in one shot 
 (recent spaming issues and server black lists from other users).
 
 Is there a way to force  Mailman spit the list in 200 mails (12 lists!) or 
 does shots of 200 adresses per time limit? Can i use some sort of cron jobs?

Look at the following segment in Defaults.py:
# Ceiling on the number of recipients that can be specified in a single
# SMTP
# transaction.  Set to 0 to submit the entire recipient list in one
# transaction.  Only used with the SMTPDirect DELIVERY_MODULE.
SMTP_MAX_RCPTS = 500

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of the e-mail and do not reply to a digest changing only the subject
line.  For a new question, please start a new thread so you don't mess
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Re: [Mailman-Users] how limit traffic

2004-01-20 Thread Brad Knowles
At 4:52 PM + 2004/01/19, Navegante wrote:

 Is there a way to force  Mailman spit the list in 200 mails (12 lists!)
 or does shots of 200 adresses per time limit?
	Mailman will aggregate together as many recipients as it can per 
message envelope, if you make sure that the VERP and per-user 
features are turned off.  This will make it a bit more difficult to 
manage the mailing list (especially bounces from misconfigured mail 
servers).

	See also http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=all#4.11, 
http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=all#6.6, and 
http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=all#2.2.

	In particular, make sure that SMTP_MAX_RCPTS in 
~mailman/Mailman/mm_cfg.py (see ~mailman/Mailman/Defaults.py for 
details) is set to a sufficiently high level to meet your needs.

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RE: [Mailman-Users] 2 mailman instances with postfix

2004-01-20 Thread Jon Carnes
On Tue, 2004-01-20 at 12:18, Mike Williams wrote:
  I thought about using the same alias-File for all mailman
  installations..., but I don't know how mailman checks if a list
  allready exists or not. Is mailman only searching through the alias
  file to check if a list allready exists or is a database used, where
  the listnames and other things are stored. Is the alias file checked
  first and would a new list only be created, if the name for a new list
  isn't found in the alias file...
  
  I think I have to take a look in the mailman code :-(. Or do you have
  anny hints?
  
  Regards,
  Schoeppi
 
 Last time I looked at this, Mailman checked for the existence of a
 config file in the ~mailman/lists/listname/ directory.  If no
 config.db, config.pck, or config.bak existed in this directory then it
 created the listname.
 
 It did not check the aliases files.
 
 (Apologies to Jon Carnes. I meant to reply to the list)
 My understanding is that the MTA checks the alias file and sends the
 mesage to the appropriate Mailman install, according to the alias file.
 Here's my question: How do you install multiple instances of Mailman?
 I'm using SuSE Professional 8.1 with Mailman 2.0.13 and would like to
 install 2.1.4 concurrently.
 
 Mike Williams

When installing (from source), pick a different base installation and a
different user/group for the install to use. You do this by adding some
switches the  ./configure command:

--prefix=dir
  Standard GNU configure option which changes the base
  directory that Mailman is installed into.  By default
  $prefix is /usr/local/mailman.  This directory must
  already exist,

--with-username=username-or-uid
  Specify a different username than `mailman' to use as a
  default.  Use this only if the username `mailman' is
  already in use by somebody (e.g. Mark Ailman's login
  name).  This switch can take an integer user id or a user
  name.  Be sure your $prefix directory is owned by this
  user.
 
--with-groupname=groupname-or-gid
  Specify a different groupname than `mailman' to use as a
  default.  Use this only if the groupname `mailman' is
  already in use.  This switch can take an integer group id
  or a group name.  Be sure your $prefix directory is
  group-owned by this group.

Using this, you can install any number of Mailman instances on one
server; all using the same local web-server and the same local
mail-server.

You'll need to have separate settings inside your httpd.conf file for
each installation of mailman:

#  httpd configuration settings for use with mailman.
#
 
ScriptAlias /mailman/ /usr/local/mailman/cgi-bin/
Alias /pipermail/ /usr/local/mailman/archives/public/
Directory /usr/local/mailman/archives
Options +FollowSymlinks
/Directory
#
#  httpd configuration settings for use with mailman2.
#
 
ScriptAlias /mailman2/ /usr/local/mailman2/cgi-bin/
Alias /pipermail/ /usr/local/mailman2/archives/public/
Directory /usr/local/mailman2/archives
Options +FollowSymlinks
/Directory
#
# etc... 

===
Hope that is helpful - Jon Carnes


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[Mailman-Users] Errors with htdig

2004-01-20 Thread Clyde Jones
Hi all
 I upgraded to mailman 2.1.4 and I added the indexing and htdig patches 
to have searchable archives. Everything seems to be working, but I keep 
getting this error from the nightly_htdig cron job.  What am I doing 
wrong?

DB2 problem...: /var/lib/htdig/db.metaphone.db: Permission denied
DB2 problem...: /var/lib/htdig/db.soundex.db: Permission denied
DB2 problem...: /var/lib/htdig/db.metaphone.db: Permission denied
DB2 problem...: /var/lib/htdig/db.soundex.db: Permission denied
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[Mailman-Users] Link to Download full raw archive missing

2004-01-20 Thread Dwight A. Ernest
Greetings. I'm a sysadmin for a site with 260 lists, a total unique
subscriber base of about 18,000, and a total daily traffic count of about
115,000 messages. We recently undertook an upgrde from 2.1.3 to 2.1.4.

Since that upgrade, some list owners are complaining that they
no longer see the 'Download full raw archive file' option on
their top archive page. Indeed, the option is missing from the
http://[censored]/mailman/private/[censored]/ pages of some private
lists. I haven't exhaustively checked all private lists vs. public ones
yet, but there appears to be a correlation.

Any ideas for fixes?



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Re: [Mailman-Users] how limit traffic

2004-01-20 Thread Brad Knowles
At 12:02 PM -0600 2004/01/20, Ed Wilts wrote:

 Look at the following segment in Defaults.py:
 # Ceiling on the number of recipients that can be specified in a single
 # SMTP
 # transaction.  Set to 0 to submit the entire recipient list in one
 # transaction.  Only used with the SMTPDirect DELIVERY_MODULE.
 SMTP_MAX_RCPTS = 500
	Which won't work with the majority of MTAs.  Most limit the 
maximum number of recipients per message to be something like 100 or 
200.  If the local MTA has been modified to have a higher limit than 
normal, it should deal with the issue of envelope splitting if the 
remote MTA has a smaller limit.

	The flip side of having so many recipients per message is that 
many mail systems will flag your messages as being spam, especially 
larger sites like AOL.

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[Mailman-Users] Bug in Mailman version 2.1.4

2004-01-20 Thread Michael Clark
I've upgraded our installation of Mailman to 2.1.4. Sometimes it 
works, sometimes it doesn't. Nothing obviously wrong in the error 
log, or the web server log. When going to a list's admin pages, I 
enter the list password, then get this error. Any ideas would be 
appreciated. Michael


Bug in Mailman version 2.1.4

We're sorry, we hit a bug!

If you would like to help us identify the problem, please email a 
copy of this page to the webmaster for this site with a description 
of what happened. Thanks!

Traceback:

Traceback (most recent call last):
  File /usr/local/mailman/scripts/driver, line 87, in run_main
main()
  File /usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admin.py, line 200, in main
mlist.Save()
  File /usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py, line 526, in Save
self.__save(dict)
  File /usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py, line 481, in __save
fp = open(fname_tmp, 'w')
IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: 
'/usr/local/mailman/lists/getnetwise-news/config.pck.tmp.www.neted.org.754'



Python information:

Variable
Value
sys.version
2.3.3 (#1, Jan 11 2004, 15:59:50) [GCC 2.96 2731 (Red Hat Linux 
7.2 2.96-124.7.2)]

sys.executable
/usr/local/bin/python
sys.prefix
/usr/local
sys.exec_prefix
/usr/local
sys.path
/usr/local
sys.platform
linux2




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Re: [Mailman-Users] Bug in Mailman version 2.1.4

2004-01-20 Thread Erick Mechler
:: I've upgraded our installation of Mailman to 2.1.4. Sometimes it 
:: works, sometimes it doesn't. Nothing obviously wrong in the error 
:: log, or the web server log. When going to a list's admin pages, I 
:: enter the list password, then get this error.

Have you run the check_perms script in ~mailman/bin/ ?

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RE: [Mailman-Users] how limit traffic

2004-01-20 Thread Dennis Black
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At 12:02 PM -0600 2004/01/20, Ed Wilts wrote:

  SMTP_MAX_RCPTS = 500

   Which won't work with the majority of MTAs.  Most limit the
maximum number of recipients per message to be something like 100 or
200.  If the local MTA has been modified to have a higher limit than
normal, it should deal with the issue of envelope splitting if the
remote MTA has a smaller limit.

I had what I consider, if not an interesting experience, at least a learning
one recently concerning Mailman's smtp_max_rcpts.

Mailman 2.0.9 (I know - I'm building another server for the latest/greatest)
AIX 5.1 / RS6000 (ditto)

The symptoms were happening on a list with over 6,000 subscribers, followed 
by the same problem on a list with over 880 addresses.
The message's qfiles .db file was over 50,000 bytes.
Each time qrunner fired up (remember, this is still the cronned qrunner),
locks would be made, and the queue held up until qrunner timed out.
Either that, or qrunner was terminated because Postfix would fail with a 
queue file write error.
Every hour and a half, the message would get 'reinjected' in the qfiles 
directory.
I would delete the db and msg files, get the large queue mostly emptied out,
but then the message would get reinjected, causing the backlog again.
My temporary 'cure' was to leave the corrupt .db file in the qfiles directory.
That seemed to stop that message from returning. I left the bad db file there
for about a week, until the next large message/large recipient list.

It started to dawn on me what the problem was, when I tried to vi the 
corrupt .db file, and vi gave me 'a line cannot be longer than 2048 
characters.'
At this point, mm_cfg.py contained the option, SMTP_MAX_RCPTS = 300.
If an average email address is 20 characters, and Mailman chunkifies a large
group of addresses, in this case 300, that's 6000 characters.
Postfix has a hard limit of 2048 characters for a line.
Even dropping SMTP_MAX_RCPTS to 100 would be a borderline 2000 characters,
not taking into account some addresses that are over 30 characters long.

The short of it is, I dropped SMTP_MAX_RCPTS to 50 so Mailman chunkifies
smaller, and the large lists no longer have a problem with corrupt .db files.
As well, (without earlier stats to compare to) large messages to large
recipient lists seem to zip through the queue faster.


Example 1:

Jan 14 15:59:03 2004 (17224) smtp for 6914 recips, completed in 1201.166 
seconds

(345 addresses/minute, primetime, large message, primarily 'outside' 
addresses)

Jan 14 16:00:07 2004 (17228) post to [a list] from [a addy], 
size=38412, success


Example 2:

Jan 16 03:03:27 2004 (13054) smtp for 6915 recips, completed in 144.519 
seconds

(2882 addresses/minute, off prime, small message, primarily 'outside' 
addresses)

Jan 16 03:03:27 2004 (13054) post to [a list] from [a addy], 
size=640, success


Example 3:

Jan 20 12:59:48 2004 (14466) smtp for 6915 recips, completed in 1125.579 
seconds

(368 addresses/minute, primetime, large message, primarily 'outside' 
addresses)

Jan 20 12:59:48 2004 (14466) post to [a list] from [a addy], 
size=38481, success

At least, that's my theory and I'm sticking to it.


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Re: [Mailman-Users] Bug in Mailman version 2.1.4

2004-01-20 Thread Michael Clark
Hi again,

I've upgraded our installation of Mailman to 2.1.4. Sometimes it 
works, sometimes it doesn't. Nothing obviously wrong in the error 
log, or the web server log. When going to a list's admin pages, I 
enter the list password, then get this error. Any ideas would be 
appreciated. Michael
Doh! I would have sworn in open court that I ran the check_perms 
script. But running it again with -f fixed the problem. Thanks for 
the quick responses. I greatly appreciate it. Michael

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[Mailman-Users] search users on moderator bit

2004-01-20 Thread John Dell
Hi,

How could I search the users of a list based on their moderator bit.  I have 
an announce only list with about 2000 people on it.  Almost all the users are 
moderated, but there are about 10 or so people on the list who don't have the 
moderator bit set and can post.  Is there a way to search on this to verify 
who can post?  I see the regex search on the membership list page, but I 
don't see how this can search the extra bits?

Apologies if this has been answered before, but I couldn't find it.

Thanks!
John


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