Re: [Mailman-Users] upgrade 2.0.13 to 2.1.4, no mail goes out, no bounces come back

[Hacksaw]

>Now I need to figure out why sendmail is ignoring the setgid on the script...

Grrr... 

You know how it says in the INSTALL file:
"By default, the value is the list `mailman other mail daemon'."

That appears to be wrong. In the Makefile, it only said "mailman".
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Re: [Mailman-Users] upgrade 2.0.13 to 2.1.4, no mail goes out, no bounces come back

[Tokio Kikuchi]

Hi,
Hacksaw wrote:
Now I need to figure out why sendmail is ignoring the setgid on the script...

Grrr... 

You know how it says in the INSTALL file:
"By default, the value is the list `mailman other mail daemon'."
That appears to be wrong. In the Makefile, it only said "mailman".
In the same INSTALL file, just before the quoted sentence:
"The first value in the list that resolves to an existing group is
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Re: [Mailman-Users] upgrade 2.0.13 to 2.1.4, no mail goes out, no bounces come back

[Hacksaw]

Ooops. Right, it's configure that sets that up. Duh.

Okay, I'll go back under my rock now.


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[Mailman-Users] Block "out off office" autoreply messages

[Luis Fernando C. Talora]

Friends,

I´m having trouble with out of office autoreply messages sent to some list.
Some users recieved a lot of them, because of some list member who didn´t
know that you must not use out of office messages if you are member of
mailing lists. 

Is Mailman capable of blocking this kind of message?

Thank you again!

Regards,

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[Mailman-Users] Investigating Bounces

[Ed Greenberg]

I have several list owners with large lists.  They get a bunch of bounces 
each time they mail. Occasionally, they get lots more bounces than they 
expect.

Is there any way to get Mailman to save the reason for the bounce?
The bounce log contains only the list name, email address and the bounce 
score. I can infer whether the bounce was hard or soft by whether the score 
increased by 1.0 or 0.5. There is no way to tell if the bounce was "mailbox 
full" or "no such user" or perhaps  my SMTP server was refused 
because it's become blacklisted somewhere.  It's not even possible to tell 
if the bounce came from the distant SMTP server or my local one.

How do others deal with this situation?

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[Mailman-Users] Help, let me out of here

[Harv Teitelbaum]

First, all my announcements to my new mailman list were bounced back,
and I couldn't figure out how to correct it.  Then my postings (like
this one) to the mailman-users list were also held up.  Now, I'm unable
to unsubscribe from the mailman-users list.  Somebody help me, I'm
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[Mailman-Users] False Moderator Requests?

[Mike Cullum]

Greetings,

We have just begun using mailman and are discovering it's mysteries.  Please
be patient with ignorant questions!

I have a dozen lists, none actively used yet, that are set up ready to
convert people from our old list processor.  This morning each list sent an
email from the "listhame-bounces" address to the "listname-owner" with the
following message:

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>consideration at:
>
>http://domain/mailman/admindb/listname

>Please attend to this at your earliest convenience.  This notice of
>pending requests, if any, will be sent out daily.
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When I go to the URL and try to resolve the waiting request I encounter the
following message:

--
>Database Updated...
>
>Administrative requests for mailing list: Listname
>
>This page contains a summary of the current set of administrative requests
>requiring your approval for the Listname mailing list. First, you will find the
>list of pending subscription and unsubscription requests, if any, followed by
>any postings being held for your approval.
>
>For each administrative request, please select the action to take, clicking on
>the Submit All Data button when finished. More detailed instructions are also
>available.
>
>You can also view the details of all held postings.
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As far as I can see there are NO requests waiting for the moderator and
nothing to resolve.

What's going on?

Thanks in advance for the assistance.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Help, let me out of here

[Mark Sapiro]

Harv Teitelbaum wrote:

>First, all my announcements to my new mailman list were bounced back,
>and I couldn't figure out how to correct it.  Then my postings (like
>this one) to the mailman-users list were also held up.  Now, I'm unable
>to unsubscribe from the mailman-users list.  Somebody help me, I'm
>trapped.
>

>From the headers sent in list messages:

List-Unsubscribe:
,


Are you saying you've tried these things and they don't work, or just
that you don't know what to do?

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Block "out off office" autoreply messages

[John W. Baxter]

On 8/23/2004 5:55, "Luis Fernando C. Talora" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

> I´m having trouble with out of office autoreply messages sent to some list.
> Some users recieved a lot of them, because of some list member who didn´t
> know that you must not use out of office messages if you are member of
> mailing lists. 

It's not autoresponders generally that are the problem...it is poorly
written ones which don't know how to avoid sending to list messages.  Often
it's people using MUA rules or self-written scripts.

You can try with content filters, but the creators of these bad
autoresponders are endlessly creative.

> 
> Is Mailman capable of blocking this kind of message?
As list owner, you are:  unsubscribe the errant user (or if you insist on
being more gentle, mark the user as Nomail).  Send whatever explanation you
feel is appropriate.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Block "out off office" autoreply messages

[Mark Sapiro]

Luis Fernando C. Talora wrote:
>
>I´m having trouble with out of office autoreply messages sent to some list.
>Some users recieved a lot of them, because of some list member who didn´t
>know that you must not use out of office messages if you are member of
>mailing lists. 
>
>Is Mailman capable of blocking this kind of message?
>

Not in advance as far as I know. After the fact, the list admin can
always disable delivery to the offending user.

Also see
http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq03.006.htp

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Re: [Mailman-Users] False Moderator Requests?

[John W. Baxter]

On 8/23/2004 8:21, "Mike Cullum" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Greetings,
> 
> We have just begun using mailman and are discovering it's mysteries.  Please
> be patient with ignorant questions!
> 
> I have a dozen lists, none actively used yet, that are set up ready to
> convert people from our old list processor.  This morning each list sent an
> email from the "listhame-bounces" address to the "listname-owner" with the
> following message:
> 
> --
>> The [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list has -1 request(s) waiting for your
>> consideration at:
>> 
>>http://domain/mailman/admindb/listname

It's a bug in the present version of Mailman.  Arrange for each list to have
a real message which needs the moderator's attention, and deal with that.
Things will be OK after that.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] False Moderator Requests?

[Mark Sapiro]

Mike Cullum wrote:
>
>I have a dozen lists, none actively used yet, that are set up ready to
>convert people from our old list processor.  This morning each list sent an
>email from the "listhame-bounces" address to the "listname-owner" with the
>following message:
>
>--
>>The [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list has -1 request(s) waiting for your
>>consideration at:
>>
>>http://domain/mailman/admindb/listname
>
>>Please attend to this at your earliest convenience.  This notice of
>>pending requests, if any, will be sent out daily.
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Visit the FAQ Wizard at http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py and
read article 3.38

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Block "out off office" autoreply messages

[David Blomquist]

On Mon, 2004-08-23 at 07:55, Luis Fernando C. Talora wrote:
> Friends,
> 
> I´m having trouble with out of office autoreply messages sent to some list.
> Some users recieved a lot of them, because of some list member who didn´t
> know that you must not use out of office messages if you are member of
> mailing lists. 
> 
> Is Mailman capable of blocking this kind of message?
> 
> Thank you again!
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Talora


You could set the moderation (mod) bit, under 'Membership Management'
for the offending list member(s) until they turn off their autoreply.  
There is also a spam filter under 'Privacy options' in the admin web
interface.  

David



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Re: [Mailman-Users] Block "out off office" autoreply messages

[Jeff Barger]

On Aug 23, 2004, at 8:55 AM, Luis Fernando C. Talora wrote:
Friends,
I´m having trouble with out of office autoreply messages sent to some 
list.
Some users recieved a lot of them, because of some list member who 
didn´t
know that you must not use out of office messages if you are member of
mailing lists.
That's not necessarily so. Properly written auto-responders do not pose 
a threat to mailing lists.

Unfortunately the one people use the most (the one in Outlook/OE) is 
about as broken as they come.

Is Mailman capable of blocking this kind of message?
You can play around with the spam filtering to catch a lot of these 
messages. IMHO, it's best to just stop munging the Reply-To. See this 
page: .

-Jeff

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[Mailman-Users] Changing hostname for a list: solved!

[Luis Fernando C. Talora]

Fellows,

The list archives helped me solving the problem. The following link holds
the answer I was looking for:

http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2004-January/034073.html

Hope it helps somebody else in the future.

Regards,

Talora





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[Mailman-Users] From a computer-numbskull who needs a Rosetta Stone

[Dr. Irving David Shapiro]

Hi!
I was referred to your site by a nice guy at our ISP who thinks you 
might be able to help us. So I logged on. Now I know what it feels like 
when you're in Rome but can't talk like the Romans do (to analogize an 
old proverb).

Now please don't get me wrong -- I think you're site is wonderful. I'm 
just not sufficiently computer-literate to make heads or tails of it.

Anyway, here goes.
We have a collection of some 170 essays that we want to send out in the 
form of e-mail messages, starting with our current e-mail address list, 
one at a time, weekly. I've attached a generic pdf file (done in 
PageMaker, but we'll have it converted to HTML when we're ready to go), 
generic in the sense that it'll be exactly the same in each mailing 
except that the essay title, the essay itself, and the related quotation 
will be different. The TO: field should show only the name of the 
recipient and the FROM: field should be Mens Sana Foundation although 
the Mens Sana Foundation doesn't have an e-mail address per se -- I do.

Please now focus on the bottom of the attached file. The four buttons 
you see will (obviously) be at the bottom of each e-mail message that'll 
be sent out during this campaign. The two middle ones are for the 
purpose of unsubscribing and subscribing, respectively. So not only 
would you have to send out the e-mails weekly (every Sunday night) if we 
sign up with you, but you'd also have to delete and add e-mail addresses 
to our list as people unsubscribe and subscribe.

Another thing. Whenever someone subscribes, we would want a message 
(that we would provide you with) to be automatically sent to him or her. 
The same would be true for anyone who unsubscribes (a different message, 
or course).

And finally, could every message open with a voice greeting?
OK, having given you the specs, more or less, the big question: can we 
do all the foregoing with Mailman?  Also, assuming that the answer is 
"Yes," given that we're a 501(c)(3) (which means there's never any money 
around here to hire help) and given that my grandchildren know 
infinitely more about computers and the Internet than I'll ever know but 
they never have enough time to help out Grandpa, is there someone there 
who'd be willing to take us under his/her wing all the way through the 
process until we can do it ourselves without worrying about the outcome?

Gratefully,
Dr. Shapiro
~~~
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Voice: 510-835-2946
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[Mailman-Users] need help in instalation mailman

[teuku hasbullah]

I want to install mailman 2.1.5 in machine with use o/s solaris 9. I have do what I 
read in INSTALL file but I have error when I run this :
 
$ make install
 
this is the error message :
 
bash-2.05# make install
Creating architecture independent directories...
chmod o-r /home/mailman//archives/private
Creating architecture dependent directories...
for f in mmsitepass newlist rmlist add_members  list_members remove_members 
clone_member update arch  sync_members check_db withlist check_perms find_member  
version config_list list_lists dumpdb cleanarch  list_admins genaliases change_pw 
mailmanctl qrunner inject  unshunt fix_url.py convert.py transcheck b4b5-archfix  
list_owners msgfmt.py show_qfiles discard rb-archfix; \
do \
/opt/sfw/bin/ginstall -c -m 755 ../build/bin/$f /home/mailman//bin; \
done
for f in crontab.in; \
do \
/opt/sfw/bin/ginstall -c -m 644 $f /home/mailman//cron; \
done
for f in checkdbs mailpasswds senddigests gate_news  nightly_gzip bumpdigests 
disabled; \
do \
/opt/sfw/bin/ginstall -c -m 755 ../build/cron/$f /home/mailman//cron; \
done
/opt/sfw/bin/ginstall -c -m 644 ./*.jpg ./*.png /home/mailman//icons
for d in bin cron scripts tests; \
do \
dir=/home/mailman//$d; \
/opt/sfw/bin/ginstall -c -m 644 paths.py $dir; \
done
/opt/sfw/bin/ginstall -c -m 755 mailman /home/mailman//scripts
/opt/sfw/bin/ginstall -c -m 644 sitelist.cfg /home/mailman//data
for p in email-2.5.5 JapaneseCodecs-1.4.10 KoreanCodecs-2.0.5; \
do \
gunzip -c ./$p.tar.gz | (cd . ; tar xf -); \
(cd ./$p ; umask 02 ; PYTHONPATH=/home/mailman//pythonlib /opt/sfw/bin/python 
setup.py --quiet install --install-lib /home/mailman//pythonlib  --install-purelib 
/home/mailman//pythonlib  --install-data /home/mailman//pythonlib); \
done
unable to execute /export/builds/s9-release/s9_u4ccd_03/usr/src/tools/gcc: No such 
file or directory
error: command '/export/builds/s9-release/s9_u4ccd_03/usr/src/tools/gcc' failed with 
exit status 1
*** Error code 1
make: Fatal error: Command failed for target `install-packages'
Current working directory /home/stt04/mailman-2.1.5/misc
*** Error code 1
make: Fatal error: Command failed for target `doinstall'

can somebody help me about this error, thanks for solution.


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[Mailman-Users] help with installation

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[Mailman-Users] Spaces in Email Addresses

[Rhshutt]

I have and address that is too long.  How do I get my address book to take 
it.
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 It won't let me get past churc.

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[Mailman-Users] Question

[Monetary Values]

Will this program allow someone to send email to more than 30 people at a
time since most ISPs consider spamming with more than 30 people.  I have a
client who has many clients that he sends email to regarding his business.

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[Mailman-Users] domain equivalence

[Toby Butzon]

Hi all,

Here's my situation:

a.example.com runs mailman.
b.example.com hosts 90% of a.example.com's subsriber's addresses
   (i.e., 90% of my subscribers have [EMAIL PROTECTED] email addresses).
c.example.com is a legacy system now setup to forward all incoming
   mail to the newer b.example.com system. Many users from the old system
   still prefer their [EMAIL PROTECTED] address and continue to use it.

So, effectively, a mail account [EMAIL PROTECTED] is reachable as either
   [EMAIL PROTECTED], or
   [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Obviously, if we turn on "subscribers only" posting on a list, people posting
from c when subscribed as a b user gets his messages held for
approval.

Additionally, users can send mail via multiple interfaces -- secure shell into
c (which still shows their from host as c), a webmail system on
b (which uses a from host of b), and remote SMTP clients (and
users can "correctly" set it up to use either b or c). The point of
all this detail is to make the point that users are *not* incorrectly
subscribed; rather, because the configurations are out of their hands, they
become constricted to using one or the other, or wait for moderator approval.

I don't know what the optimal solution would be, but my first guess would be
to add a way to "alias" domains so that b and c are seen as equal by
that particular filtering step. I don't know what other cases domain name
comparisons occur in, but there might be other cases where the same comparison
is desirable, and yet it might not be in all.

If there's already a good way to work around this issue, fill me in.
Otherwise, I'll have to see about coming up with a workaround myself (probably
using the method I just described) -- but before I do, I'd like to hear any
comments you have about whether that's the right way to go about fixing the
problem.

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[Mailman-Users] help!!!!!

[Cameron Tuckerman]

I am a webmaster for my school and we are migrating from sendmail and
minimalist to mailman and exim. We currently are running a daily
announcement mailing list with a perl script. there is a long list of
members and the perl script sends the message to each one. we want to use
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[Mailman-Users] Configuring Mailman with Postfix and Postfix Admin

[NSHB]

I have just setup Mailman 2.1.5 on FreeBSD 4.8 and have found that the
installation does not integrate by default with the postfix admin which
stores all users and domains in MySQL.

When I send an email to the list I successfully setup, I receive this error:

Your message did not reach some or all of the intended recipients.
Subject: test
Sent: 22/08/2004 5:01 PM

The following recipient(s) could not be reached:
 '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' on 22/08/2004 5:01 PM

550 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: Recipient address rejected: User unknown in
virtual mailbox table

How might I be able to integrate the mailman python script to filter out the
mailman users into my setup?

Regards,
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Re: [Mailman-Users] False Moderator Requests?

[Markus Kachel]

Hello Mike,

On Monday, August 23, 2004, You wrote to subject: [Mailman-Users] False Moderator 
Requests?

>>The [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list has -1 request(s) waiting for your
>>consideration at:

> As far as I can see there are NO requests waiting for the moderator and
> nothing to resolve.

Look at this: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=all#3.38

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[Mailman-Users] Configuring Mailman with Postfix and Postfix Admin

[NSHB]

I have just setup Mailman 2.1.5 on FreeBSD 4.8 and have found that the
installation does not integrate by default with the postfix admin which
stores all users and domains in MySQL.

When I send an email to the list I successfully setup, I receive this error:

Your message did not reach some or all of the intended recipients.
Subject: test
Sent: 22/08/2004 5:01 PM

The following recipient(s) could not be reached:
 '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' on 22/08/2004 5:01 PM

550 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: Recipient address rejected: User unknown in
virtual mailbox table

How might I be able to integrate the mailman python script to filter out the
mailman users into my setup?

Regards,
Nathan.


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Re: [Mailman-Users] Block "out off office" autoreply messages

[Chuq Von Rospach]

On Aug 23, 2004, at 8:57 AM, Jeff Barger wrote:
Is Mailman capable of blocking this kind of message?
You can play around with the spam filtering to catch a lot of these 
messages. IMHO, it's best to just stop munging the Reply-To. See this 
page: .

true. if you're coercing reply-to, you're funnelling all of that 
traffic onto the list. have fun.

As Jeff noted -- well-behaved vacation bots don't cause a problem, 
because they follow the rules and don't send those messages to lists. 
The ones that don't -- are broken. And trying to stop them up front 
will fail, because they don't follow the rules you could use to catch 
them (because if they do follow the rules, they don't send the 
messages!). since there are an infinite variation of "out of ..." or 
"on vacation" or "away from..." or "etc ..." ways people write those 
messages, attempting to string-trap them will simply waste endless 
amounts of your time and energy,a dn still fail (leaving you pissed and 
frustrated).

Here's how I suggest handling it. In your list policy docs, make it 
clear that it's a person's responsibility to use vacation bots 
appropriately. my policy is simple: if one shows up on a list, or 
sending vacation notices to a list admin or the listserver, that 
address is unsubscribed. Immediately. no warnings, no followups. Just 
an unsubscribe. it's then the person's responsibiltiy to figure it out 
and subscribe again if they want.

If the same address resubscribes, and then we get MORE vacation notices 
from it, they're unsubscribed and banned. Users are allowed to make one 
mistake and fix it. if they don't, they're not welcome. that gives them 
the responsibility ot fix it, and some motivation to do so. if you 
don't? they won't.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] help with installation

[Jeff Barger]

On Aug 19, 2004, at 6:13 AM, Curt Beavers wrote:
 

I am a novice with frontpage and want to install mailman on my site.  
Do you
know of anyone who can help me with my installation.
FrontPage has nothing to do with Mailman.
Perhaps you may be asking how to install Mailman on a Windows-based 
server? See: 
 
for information on installing onto Win 2k.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] help!!!!!

[Jeff Barger]

On Aug 22, 2004, at 7:11 PM, Cameron Tuckerman wrote:
I am a webmaster for my school and we are migrating from sendmail and
minimalist to mailman and exim. We currently are running a daily
announcement mailing list with a perl script. there is a long list of
members and the perl script sends the message to each one. we want to 
use
mailman but keep the same interphase. Can mailman automatically go out 
to a
text file and "sync" itself with it. We would use rysnc but the 
problem is
mailman's listing of users are encrypted. please help
You can use a script calling 'sync_members' to sync against a 
sendmail-style include file.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Configuring Mailman with Postfix and Postfix Admin

[Jeff Barger]

On Aug 22, 2004, at 11:06 PM, NSHB wrote:
I have just setup Mailman 2.1.5 on FreeBSD 4.8 and have found that the
installation does not integrate by default with the postfix admin which
stores all users and domains in MySQL.
When I send an email to the list I successfully setup, I receive this 
error:

Your message did not reach some or all of the intended recipients.
Subject: test
Sent: 22/08/2004 5:01 PM
The following recipient(s) could not be reached:
 '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' on 22/08/2004 5:01 PM
550 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: Recipient address rejected: User unknown in
virtual mailbox table
How might I be able to integrate the mailman python script to filter 
out the
mailman users into my setup?
I expect you'll need to add the aliases by hand (or modify Mailman to 
add the aliases to database).

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Help, let me out of here

[Harv Teitelbaum]

Yes Mark, I tried those things, and they don't work.  I followed the same
URL you show below and followed the instructions.  Twice.  The page that
loaded then had the message "A confirmation email has been sent..." but I
never received anything, and am still subscribed.

Harv

Mark Sapiro wrote:

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>
> List-Unsubscribe:
> ,
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>
> Are you saying you've tried these things and they don't work, or just
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Re: [Mailman-Users] need help in instalation mailman

[Mark Sapiro]

teuku hasbullah wrote:

>unable to execute /export/builds/s9-release/s9_u4ccd_03/usr/src/tools/gcc: No such 
>file or directory
>error: command '/export/builds/s9-release/s9_u4ccd_03/usr/src/tools/gcc' failed with 
>exit status 1
>*** Error code 1
>make: Fatal error: Command failed for target `install-packages'
>Current working directory /home/stt04/mailman-2.1.5/misc
>*** Error code 1
>make: Fatal error: Command failed for target `doinstall'
>
>can somebody help me about this error, thanks for solution.
>

Your gcc compiler isn't where the makefile says it is. The configure
script should have set it up.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Investigating Bounces

[Mark Sapiro]

Ed Greenberg wrote:
>
>The bounce log contains only the list name, email address and the bounce 
>score. I can infer whether the bounce was hard or soft by whether the score 
>increased by 1.0 or 0.5. There is no way to tell if the bounce was "mailbox 
>full" or "no such user" or perhaps  my SMTP server was refused 
>because it's become blacklisted somewhere.  It's not even possible to tell 
>if the bounce came from the distant SMTP server or my local one.
>
>How do others deal with this situation?

I wait until the subscription is disabled at which time Mailman sends
me a copy of the bounce message.

I know this isn't necessarily the best solution. For example, the other
day on one list every (I think) AOL subscriber bounced one message and
only one. I'll probably never know why, but I've learned not to obsess
about it.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] From a computer-numbskull who needs a Rosetta Stone

[Mark Sapiro]

Dr. Irving David Shapiro wrote:
>
>I was referred to your site by a nice guy at our ISP who thinks you 
>might be able to help us. So I logged on. Now I know what it feels like 
>when you're in Rome but can't talk like the Romans do (to analogize an 
>old proverb).
> ...

This list is not generally for people who offer Mailman hosting. See
http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/moinmoin/PythonHosting for pointers to
organizitions that do.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Spaces in Email Addresses

[Brad Knowles]

At 10:14 AM -0400 2004-08-20, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I have and address that is too long.  How do I get my address book to take
 it.
	Address book?  There is no address book in Mailman.  Moreover, 
space characters are not allowed in e-mail addresses.

Just what program are you thinking of here?
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Re: [Mailman-Users] domain equivalence

[Brad Knowles]

At 12:36 AM -0400 2004-08-22, Toby Butzon wrote:
 If there's already a good way to work around this issue, fill me in.
	Subscribe both sets of addresses, then set one of them to NOMAIL. 
User can post from either address, only one will actually get a copy 
of all posts to the list.

	Of course, you have to do this for each and every problematic 
user, which could be a pain.  You might need to do some scripting and 
make use of the command-line tools, if you want to minimize the 
amount of work required.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Question

[Brad Knowles]

At 6:27 PM -0400 2004-08-21, Monetary Values wrote:
 Will this program allow someone to send email to more than 30 people at a
 time since most ISPs consider spamming with more than 30 people.  I have a
 client who has many clients that he sends email to regarding his business.
	Mailman will send to as many or as few addresses in a single 
message as you configure it to use.  What your ISP thinks of this is 
a totally different matter.  Most ISPs do not look kindly at their 
users trying to run mailing list servers, and if you are in that 
situation you should seriously consider looking to have your mailing 
list hosted somewhere else.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Spaces in Email Addresses

[John Price]

On Mon, Aug 23, 2004 at 10:03:09PM +0200, Brad Knowles wrote:
> Moreover, 
> space characters are not allowed in e-mail addresses.

Actually, according to RFC822 (section 3.4.1), spaces are
allowed in email addresses:

Note: In particular, quoting is NOT permitted within
atoms. For example when the local-part of an addr-spec
must contain a special character, a quoted string must be
used.  Therefore, a specification such as:
   
Full\ [EMAIL PROTECTED]

is not legal and must be specified as:

"Full Name"@Domain

Moreover, I've encounted several bone-headed sys admins
that are assigning email addresses that are of this format.

Of course, when I complained to them that they are idiots
for choosing such email addresses, they pointed me to
RFC822. I still think they are idiots...

Later,
John

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Re: [Mailman-Users] domain equivalence

[Mark Sapiro]

Brad Knowles wrote:

>At 12:36 AM -0400 2004-08-22, Toby Butzon wrote:
>
>>  If there's already a good way to work around this issue, fill me in.
>
>   Subscribe both sets of addresses, then set one of them to NOMAIL. 
>User can post from either address, only one will actually get a copy 
>of all posts to the list.
>

Or just add the second address to the "non-members allowed to post"
filter.

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[Mailman-Users] Problem with archives

[Jared Nyland]

Hi,

I am having troubles with the archives displaying for
the month of August.  When I run arch in the bin
directory everything shows up working great.  Do I
need to setup a cron job to do this for me or should
this automatically work by default.

Thanks in advance
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Spaces in Email Addresses

[Brad Knowles]

At 3:53 PM -0500 2004-08-23, John Price wrote:
 Actually, according to RFC822 (section 3.4.1), spaces are
 allowed in email addresses:
	RFC 822 has been superceded for quite some time.  See 
 instead.  The wording is 
more difficult for me to read, but from what I've been able to gather 
so far, the use of space characters is no longer allowed.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Problem with archives

[Mark Sapiro]

Jared Nyland wrote:
>
>I am having troubles with the archives displaying for
>the month of August.  When I run arch in the bin
>directory everything shows up working great.  Do I
>need to setup a cron job to do this for me or should
>this automatically work by default.
>

bin/arch is only intended for importing archives from elsewhere or
rebuilding the archive from scratch (--wipe option). It is not
normally required for day to day archive maintenance.

Presumably at least part of archiving is working since you have a file
for bin/arch to work from (.mbox/.mbox or ?).

Also, at this point your /2004-August/ directory exists even
if it was bin/arch that created it. Do messages (nn.html) get
added? Do the author, date, subject and thread .html files get updated?
How about the /2004-August.txt?

Maybe it's a permission issue?

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Spaces in Email Addresses

[Mark Sapiro]

Brad Knowles wrote:
>
>   RFC 822 has been superceded for quite some time.  See 
> instead.  The wording is 
>more difficult for me to read, but from what I've been able to gather 
>so far, the use of space characters is no longer allowed.
>

It depends on what you mean by "superceded". According to STD 1 (RFC
3700, July 2004), the mail standard is STD 11, RFC 822. RFC 2822 is a
"proposed standard protocol".

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Help, let me out of here

[Mark Sapiro]

Harv Teitelbaum wrote:

>Yes Mark, I tried those things, and they don't work.  I followed the same
>URL you show below and followed the instructions.  Twice.  The page that
>loaded then had the message "A confirmation email has been sent..." but I
>never received anything, and am still subscribed.
>

I don't know why you don't receive the confirmation. I think it is from
[EMAIL PROTECTED] with an envelope sender of
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

If you follow the same link to
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users, enter your
e-mail and click "unsubscribe or edit options" and then instead of
clicking "unsubscribe" on the next page, enter your password and click
"log in", you will be taken to your options page where you can
unsubscribe without confirmation.

If you don't know your password, you can always request it, and even if
you don't request it, it is normally mailed to you on the 1st of each
month.

If none of this works, try mailing [EMAIL PROTECTED] and
explaining what you've done and maybe the owner will remove you,

>
>Mark Sapiro wrote:
>
>> >From the headers sent in list messages:
>>
>> List-Unsubscribe:
>> ,
>> 
>>
>> Are you saying you've tried these things and they don't work, or just
>> that you don't know what to do?
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Spaces in Email Addresses (the nightmare continues)

[John Price]

On Tue, Aug 24, 2004 at 12:11:31AM +0200, Brad Knowles wrote:
> At 3:53 PM -0500 2004-08-23, John Price wrote:
> 
> > Actually, according to RFC822 (section 3.4.1), spaces are
> > allowed in email addresses:
> 
>   RFC 822 has been superceded for quite some time.  See 
>  instead.  The wording is 
> more difficult for me to read, but from what I've been able to gather 
> so far, the use of space characters is no longer allowed.

I've been studying RFC2822, and it's even nastier than I
originally thought. :(

Basically, the local part of an email address is called
the "local-part" (sec 3.4.1).  The local-part can be one
of three things: dot-atom, quoted-string, or
obs-local-part.

A quoted-string is defined as optional white-space, a
quote, zero or more combinations of white space and qtext
or a quoted pair(s), and finally a quote and optionally
more white space (although there is a note that RFC2822
does not allow white space between the local part and the
'@' character). (sec 3.2.5)

qtext is defined as ASCII characters 33, 35-91, 93-126
(not space, '@' or '\'). (sec 3.2.5) A quoted-pair is a
backslash ('\') followed by any of these ASCII characters:
1-9, 11-12, 14-127 (all characters excluding NULL, CR and
LF). (sec 3.2.2)

This means you can have spaces in email addresses.
Control characters are also allowed (except NULL, CR & LF)
if they are escaped by a backslash.

If the local-part is a quoted-string, it can also span
multiple lines in the headers! So for example, this is
legal:

From: "some really long
 crazy address"@domain.com
Subject: Check out the email address my idiot sys admin gave me!

The From address should be converted to an actual email
address that looks like this internally:

some really long crazy [EMAIL PROTECTED]

I can see some idiot sys admin now dreaming of a way to
assign someone an email address that has a bunch of
backspace characters in it...  But how the hell do you
type that into a web form or your email program?  If they
really wanted that ability, why wouldn't they escape them
like C does, i.e. "\x08" for a backspace.

If they were going to obsolete RFC822, why would they
leave all this in there???  Who needs control characters
in any email, period?

Pounding head on desk,
John

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[Mailman-Users] regular expressions/wildcards in remove_members?

[Adam Steer]

Hi All

I'm wondering if it is possible to use regular expressions in
'remove_members'. I have a subscriber who has a curly quote in their
subscribed address - which has thrown the web membership management
interface for the relevant list off the planet, and I haven't been able
to work around it any other way...

The FAQ has an example with a comma - but curly quotes are another
beast entirely

Any clues would be handy!

Thanks

Adam.

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