[Mailman-Users] Subscribing users via an email to a 'require approval' list

2004-10-14 Thread Guy Waugh
Greetings,
I would like to be able to subscribe people to a Mailman 2.1.5 list by 
sending an email to the Mailman server. The list is set up such that 
subscription requests require the list administrator's approval before 
becoming active.

It looks like it is possible to subscribe to a list via email by sending 
a mail to '-subscribe@', but I can't seem to locate 
doco on the email structure required (if any).

I'd like, if possible, to subscribe users via the email method without 
the list administrator having to approve the subscription request. The 
email would be sent by a script that I use to add users to my systems.

Can anyone tell me if this is possible? Ideally, if it is possible, the 
subscription request email would contain the list admin password, I 
guess, or else anyone could subscribe themselves via the email method...

Thanks in advance,
Guy.
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[Mailman-Users] Strange problem with mails through mailman

2004-10-14 Thread Kim Leandersson
Hello!

I have a strange problem that I think depends on mailman. We have a bunch of mailman 
lists here for different assosciations and some of the administrators complains that 
all the members don't get the mails. When I looked into it I found some strange errors 
in the logs. The mails for the people that don't get the list mails are all deferred 
from the receiving mail server because of bad media type or Body type not supported by 
Remote Host (see end of the mail for more details). I can't see why this error should 
occur, and why it only occurs on certain servers. Another thing that I can't 
understand is that it's only mail via mailman that bounces. If I send a mail directly 
to these people there are no problem att all, and one of the people that don't get 
list mails are a list administrator. She don't get the mails she sends out, but she 
gets administrative messages from mailman.

Anyone who can point me in some direction so I can solve these problems? Does mailman 
change the body type in some way? 


Bounce message from mailman when I tried to send a mail to the list.
Final-Recipient: rfc822;[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Action: failed
Status: 5.6.1
Diagnostic-Code: smtp;554 5.6.1 Body type not supported by Remote Host


In the SMTP-log
220+smtp.mailserver.somewhere+SMTP;+Mon,+11+Oct+2004+15:19:58++0200 0 0 56 0 16 
250+smtp.mailserver.somewhere+Hello 0 0 24 0 16 SMTP
221+smtp.mailserver.somewhere+closing+connection. 0 0 38 0 31 SMTP 

//kim
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[Mailman-Users] Howto select topics for several users at once?

2004-10-14 Thread Elmar . Wild
Hello everyone,
A colleague of mine is listadmin on a list with several hundred
users/subscribers.
He now wants to control the traffic with some topics, he had defined.
It works fine if you do that manually for each user.

BUT, is there a way to do that for each member in a script or better online
on a website?

The script could look something like

user1,topic1,topic2,...
user2,topic2,topic4,...
user,topic1,topic3,...
...

Has anyone ever come across a simillar problem?
Oh, btw. we are currently running MM 2.1.1.

Regards
Elmar

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Re: [Mailman-Users] troubel with unsubscribed user

2004-10-14 Thread Richard Barrett
On 14 Oct 2004, at 00:48, Doug Garaux wrote:
I have a MM 2.1.5 install that I’ve had various troubles with. The 
list was manually transferred from another ISP to a new dedicated 
server environment. I was unable to transfer the list by documented 
methods since I could not access mailman command from a unix shell so 
I created the list on the new server and manually dumped all the users 
from the old list and mass subscribed them on the new server. As most 
of the users don’t configure their own settings it was a good enough 
trade off.

I however have had a few issues. One is a bounce I receive for a 
invalid email (invalid user at site..) I manually unsubscribed the 
user but MM is still sending emails to this email address. I have no 
clue why as I don’t see the email under membership management in the 
web GUI.

The following FAQ may help:
http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq03.024.htp
The other issue I’ve had is with the users who were not required to be 
moderated. I have unset the moderation box for one email so they do 
not have to approve (their own) emails when they post but MM is still 
asking for all of their (and all others which is correct behavior 
there) to be moderated. How can I verify that this users posts are not 
requiring moderation?

The settings from the webgui are basically identical from old server 
to new server. The only difference I know of is the old server was a 
CPANEL installed mailman instance and the new server is a PLESK 
installed instance of mailman.

Thanks!
Doug Garaux
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Re: [Mailman-Users] mail => smmsp

2004-10-14 Thread Richard Barrett
On 14 Oct 2004, at 02:10, kalin mintchev wrote:
hi all.
i have mailman 2.0.13 installed - for a year or so... running fine - 
bunch
of users. upgraded sendmail. now mailman doesn't process mail because 
the
sendmail's group isn't mail anymore...
which file should i edit in the mailman tree to make it recognize the
smmsp group for the wrapper?  don't want to reinstall mailman...

You problem is that the mail-gid is compiled into a C program which is 
then installed as $prefix/mail/wrapper.

Normal advice is to rerun the Mailman ./configure with the 
--with-mail-gid=  option set to the new value and then re-run make 
install as if doing a normal Mailman upgrade. It is a good idea to do a 
backup and shutdown you MTA and Mailman qrunner etc while the upgrade 
is being done.

If you are a confident hacker you could just try:
1. rerun the Mailman ./configure with the --with-mail-gid=  option set 
to the new value

2. run make in just the Mailman $build/src directory
3. replace $prefix/mail/wrapper with the $build/src/wrapper file just 
generated by step (2)

Same caveats about backup and shutdowns apply.
thanks...
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Strange problem with mails through mailman

2004-10-14 Thread Mark Sapiro
Kim Leandersson wrote:
>
>I have a strange problem that I think depends on mailman. We have a bunch of mailman 
>lists here for different assosciations and some of the administrators complains that 
>all the members don't get the mails. When I looked into it I found some strange 
>errors in the logs. The mails for the people that don't get the list mails are all 
>deferred from the receiving mail server because of bad media type or Body type not 
>supported by Remote Host (see end of the mail for more details). I can't see why this 
>error should occur, and why it only occurs on certain servers. Another thing that I 
>can't understand is that it's only mail via mailman that bounces. If I send a mail 
>directly to these people there are no problem att all, and one of the people that 
>don't get list mails are a list administrator. She don't get the mails she sends out, 
>but she gets administrative messages from mailman.
>
>Anyone who can point me in some direction so I can solve these problems? Does mailman 
>change the body type in some way? 
>

>Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py

Article 4.39 may be helpful.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Subscribing users via an email to a 'requireapproval' list

2004-10-14 Thread Mark Sapiro
Guy Waugh wrote:
>
>I would like to be able to subscribe people to a Mailman 2.1.5 list by 
>sending an email to the Mailman server. The list is set up such that 
>subscription requests require the list administrator's approval before 
>becoming active.

Go to the FAQ at http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py and read
article 4.33 if you're interested in another way of subscribing users
from the web.

>It looks like it is possible to subscribe to a list via email by sending 
>a mail to '-subscribe@', but I can't seem to locate 
>doco on the email structure required (if any).

There isn't any required structure for mail sent to the -subscribe or
-join address. Both the subject and body can be empty or not.

>I'd like, if possible, to subscribe users via the email method without 
>the list administrator having to approve the subscription request. The 
>email would be sent by a script that I use to add users to my systems.
>
>Can anyone tell me if this is possible? Ideally, if it is possible, the 
>subscription request email would contain the list admin password, I 
>guess, or else anyone could subscribe themselves via the email method...

I don't think it is possible to do this.

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[Mailman-Users] Python.org problems?

2004-10-14 Thread Mark Sapiro
Are there problems with the web server at www.python.org?

For the past several days, I have been experiencing intermittent long
delays and timeouts while accessing the Mailman FAQ. Are others seeing
this?

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[Mailman-Users] -1 Mailman moderator request(s) waiting

2004-10-14 Thread Kenneth Porter
I keep getting "-1 Mailman moderator request(s) waiting" from the lists 
I've just created on a fresh 2.1.5 installation on Fedora Core 2. Any idea 
what these mean? (I've dealt with moderator requests before on a 2.0 
installation. I've just never seen the "-1" before.)
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Re: [Mailman-Users] -1 Mailman moderator request(s) waiting

2004-10-14 Thread K. Clair
http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-developers/2004-August/017120.html

On Thu, Oct 14, 2004 at 10:16:41AM -0700, Kenneth Porter wrote:
- I keep getting "-1 Mailman moderator request(s) waiting" from the lists 
- I've just created on a fresh 2.1.5 installation on Fedora Core 2. Any idea 
- what these mean? (I've dealt with moderator requests before on a 2.0 
- installation. I've just never seen the "-1" before.)
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Re: [Mailman-Users] -1 Mailman moderator request(s) waiting

2004-10-14 Thread Kenneth Porter
--On Thursday, October 14, 2004 10:13 AM -0700 "K. Clair" 
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http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-developers/2004-August/017120.html
Thanks and Doh! Somehow I missed that when searching Gmane.
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Re: [Mailman-Users] -1 Mailman moderator request(s) waiting

2004-10-14 Thread Kenneth Porter
Hmm, the item in the FAQ doesn't apply, as the request.pck is there for my 
3 lists. But I've only received one of these notifications for each list, 
so perhaps it fixes itself after one occurrence.


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[Mailman-Users] transfer configuration and mailing list.

2004-10-14 Thread Jeff Pflueger
Hi,
Assuming I have the same version of mailman installed on two separate 
servers, what files do I need to copy from one server to the other to 
produce a duplicate mailman set-up? I'd like to keep the configuration 
and mailing lists identical. Ideally, I'd like to be able to sync the 
servers daily so that there is always a backup mailman ready to go on 
the other server.

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RE: [Mailman-Users] Question about restoring a mailman list or two

2004-10-14 Thread Mark Sapiro
Maish Saidel-Keesing wrote:
> 
>Thank you mark for your reply.
>
>I gather that I need shell access for all of this.

Yes, you do. You might be able to restore the directories and files
with sufficient FTP access, but you'd almost certainly need shell
access anyway to fix owner/group/permission issues.

You'd definitely need shell access to use bin/arch to rebuild archives.

>I am not sure if I will be able to get it.
>
>Is there no other way to do this

This is kind of off the wall, but if you're motivated, you could
install Python and Mailman on another machine (even your Windows
machine - at least I assume it's windows because of the notepad
reference). You wouldn't have to do a full Mailman install or worry
about MTAs - just enough to be able to run bin/config_list and
bin/list_members and maybe bin/list_owners against the list files.
This would give you the information in the config.pck files in a nice
format that you could follow for configuring the real lists manually
via the web and a nice members file you could use for a mass subscribe.

Alternatively you could do as you originally thought and just "extract"
as much as you can by hand.

The archives are still a problem. you either need to restore the whole
archive structure or you can restore just the
listname.mbox/listname.mbox file for each list and rebuild the archive
with bin/arch. There's no practical way to get the archives without
shell access or the equivalent.

Probably the easiest way to do this if you can't get shell access is to
ask the host site for a cost quote if they do it and pay the money.

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>-Original Message-
>From: Mark Sapiro [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
>Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2004 9:11 PM
>To: Maish Saidel-Keesing; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Question about restoring a mailman list or two
>
>Maish Saidel-Keesing wrote:
>
>>Someone approached me and asked if I can help them restore two lists 
>>that they have.
>>
>>The mailman package was installed through CPanel (I know I am going to 
>>get a lot of answers to go to cpanel for support but I will ask it 
>>anyway)
>>
>>In the tar package that was backed up on cpanel I have some of the 
>>files that I think will be able to help me
>>
>>I just don't know how to put them back into the lists.
>>
>>What I have is the following:
>>
>>A directory called "mm" and within that directory are two more 
>>directories for each of the lists For examples sakes we will call them 
>>A & B In each of those directories I have 4 files
>>
>>Config.pck
>>Config.pck.lst
>>Pending.pck
>>Request.pck
>>
>>In the config.pck file I see (with a lot of garbage - when I opened it 
>>up in
>>notepad) the email addresses and names of the subscribers to the list 
>>(at least I think so).
>>
>>To restore it I was thinking of extracting the emails and then 
>>recreating the list and mass subscribing them again.
>>Is there a simpler way to do it??
>
>Yes.
>
>Assume $prefix is the path to the current Mailman installation.
>
>Just restore the "A" and "B" directories with their files to the directory
>$prefix/lists/
>
>If the backups were created under the same mailman version, that should be
>it, but see  $prefix/bin/check_perms --help and  $prefix/bin/update --help
>in case you might need them.
>
>>Second thing is the archives...
>>
>>I have a folder called "mma" from the cpanel backup that has the 
>>archives saved nicely in html format. How am I supposed to retrieve 
>>that back into the list current archives?
>
>The archives for a list go into the $prefix/archives/private/list-name/
>directory. If the archives are public there is also a symlink from
>$prefix/archives/public/list-name to $prefix/archives/private/list-name
>
>There is a global .mbox file in
>$prefix/archives/private/list-name.mbox/list-name.mbox
>
>If you have that, you can rebuild the archive without the other stuff.
>See:
> $prefix/bin/arch --help
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