Re: [Mailman-Users] Member and password database

[PeteBell]

Brad
No, I'm not talking about the server. The mailman I am using resides on 
the UNIX server at which I am hosted. I only mentioned Apple Mac 
because that's what computer I use and I wanted to give all info 
possible.

As you say that you can help if it's YOUR installation and tarballs 
(whatever they are), well it IS yours, so I am putting the question 
back to you, please (quoted below).

Thanks in advance
Pete Bell, UK
On 16 Nov 2004, at 00:34, Brad Knowles wrote:
At 6:52 PM + 2004-11-15, PeteBell wrote:
 Please note, I use an Apple Mac, and when I look at the scripts and 
coding
 in the Mailman FAQs, I am left cold, as I wouldn't know where to 
begin! I
 have no knowledge of these things and would need a novice's guide to 
what
 I am wanting to achieve.
	Using MacOS X Server?  If so, then you're going to need to go to 
Apple for your support questions.  The version of Mailman that they 
provide out-of-the-box has been hacked, and they've added all sorts of 
customized administration overhead as well.

	If you can convince your server administrator to install Mailman from 
our source tarballs and not use the pre-built version supplied with 
the OS, we'd be in a better position to help, but will still be 
limited in our ability to assist with issues specific to MacOS X.

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SV: [Mailman-Users] Bug?

[Ralph Utbult]

> >  IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: 
> '/var/lib/mailman/logs/error'
> 
>   It says "permission denied".
> 
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As I see it, this info tells me that there was something wrong and Mailman (or 
wathever program)couldn't write to ther error log. It does not tell me what the 
problem was.

Ralph Utbult


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Re: [Mailman-Users] Member and password database

[Jim Tittsler]

On Mon, Nov 15, 2004 at 06:52:54PM +, PeteBell wrote:
> I am creating a website 'front end' for my new list which is run by 
> using Mailman and am running into logging in difficulties which would 
> be best worked around using my own logging-in system. However, I need 
> access to the members' email addresses/passwords database and 
> understand it is stored inside the mailman installation. Unfortunately 
> I do NOT have access to the actual mailman program as it is hosted as a 
> server-wide installation shared by all domains on the server, of which 
> I am but one.

Not having access to the mailman installation makes this *much*
more difficult.  One technique that is possible, but tricky to
get right, is to have your web front end manipulate the real
Mailman web interface.  Python's ClientCookie module or PHP's
CURL module provide tools for doing this, allowing your web
front end enter form data and "read" and manipulate result
pages before display to the end user.  It does take *careful*
scripting because you will want to handle the possible error
conditions that the Mailman web interface may present you.
(You probably will also want to eliminate direct access to the
underlying Mailman pages by end users in this scenario.)

> Does anyone have any experience of how to access this database and 
> somehow keep it sync'd with one of mine.

There are easier techniques if you have access to the Mailman
server.


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Re: [Mailman-Users] How to change URL_HOST without change EMAIL_HOST on existing mailinglist?

[Jim Tittsler]

On Mon, Nov 15, 2004 at 02:22:03PM +0100, Sythos wrote:
> I found in mm_cfg.py the way to change this in new crate list, but in
> old list generated when URL_HOST=EMAIL_HOST how can I change URL_HOST to
> www.sythos.net in web (or console) interface?

Use the bin/fix_url.py tool.  (Run it without arguments and it
will show you how to use it with bin/withlist to fix an
existing list.)

> Second question, in wich way can I set https instead http?

Set
  DEFAULT_URL_PATTERN = 'https://%s/mailman/'
in your mm_cfg.py.  (You may also want to set
PUBLIC_ARCHIVE_URL, see the information in Defaults.py, and set
the new value in your mm_cfg.py.)

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Member and password database

[Brad Knowles]

At 6:52 PM + 2004-11-15, PeteBell wrote:
 Please note, I use an Apple Mac, and when I look at the scripts and coding
 in the Mailman FAQs, I am left cold, as I wouldn't know where to begin! I
 have no knowledge of these things and would need a novice's guide to what
 I am wanting to achieve.
	Using MacOS X Server?  If so, then you're going to need to go to 
Apple for your support questions.  The version of Mailman that they 
provide out-of-the-box has been hacked, and they've added all sorts 
of customized administration overhead as well.

	If you can convince your server administrator to install Mailman 
from our source tarballs and not use the pre-built version supplied 
with the OS, we'd be in a better position to help, but will still be 
limited in our ability to assist with issues specific to MacOS X.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] List statistics

[Brad Knowles]

At 6:47 PM + 2004-11-15, PeteBell wrote:
 Namely, the ability to publish a regularly updating set of statistics on
 my website with figures for:
Number of members currently subscribed
Average number of emails per day
Number of emails today
 (etc)
	If you have access to the server, you can run various log 
processing scripts which can create this kind of information.  If you 
use postfix as your MTA, check out a tool called "pflogsumm". 
Another good tool to look at is "lire" from logreport.org.

 Please note that I do NOT have access to the actual mailman program as
 it is hosted as a server-wide installation shared by all domains on the
 server, of which I am but one.
	That's going to be much more difficult.  Mailman doesn't do any 
log processing of this sort, and it doesn't have any statistics 
gathering/reporting features I am aware of.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Large Mailman installation?

[Brad Knowles]

At 1:43 PM -0500 2004-11-15, Michael Clark wrote:
 I am trying to create a Mailman installation with 450 announcement-only
 mailing lists, and with around 50 umbrella lists. Each announcement list
 will have between 10 and 500 members. Each umbrella list is also
 announcement only made up of various combinations of the smaller
 announcement lists. Does anyone have any advice or experience in a setup
 like this?
Advice?  What kind of advice are you looking for?
	Have you read the Mailman FAQ Wizard entry at 
? 
Have you searched the rest of the Mailman FAQ Wizard for the word 
"performance"?

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[Mailman-Users] Member and password database

[PeteBell]

I am creating a website 'front end' for my new list which is run by 
using Mailman and am running into logging in difficulties which would 
be best worked around using my own logging-in system. However, I need 
access to the members' email addresses/passwords database and 
understand it is stored inside the mailman installation. Unfortunately 
I do NOT have access to the actual mailman program as it is hosted as a 
server-wide installation shared by all domains on the server, of which 
I am but one.

Does anyone have any experience of how to access this database and 
somehow keep it sync'd with one of mine.

Please note, I use an Apple Mac, and when I look at the scripts and 
coding in the Mailman FAQs, I am left cold, as I wouldn't know where to 
begin! I have no knowledge of these things and would need a novice's 
guide to what I am wanting to achieve.

Thanks in advance
Pete Bell, UK
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[Mailman-Users] Disallowing access to previous archives

[Anne Shroeder - Internet Society]

I need to open up a particular list to a larger group of people; however,
the leaders of the list wish to make all previous archived messages
inaccessible to the new subscribers.  Is there a way to archive the archives
to a different location where they are not available to all members of the
list, but are still not hard to get to for old members or at least to the
sysadmin?

Anne

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[Mailman-Users] List statistics

[PeteBell]

I am creating a list using Mailman which was previously served by 
topica.com and was wondering if I can now recreate one or two of the 
features they had on offer...

Namely, the ability to publish a regularly updating set of statistics 
on my website with figures for:
   Number of members currently subscribed
   Average number of emails per day
   Number of emails today
(etc)

Please note that I do NOT have access to the actual mailman program as 
it is hosted as a server-wide installation shared by all domains on the 
server, of which I am but one.

Thanks in advance
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[Mailman-Users] Large Mailman installation?

[Michael Clark]

I am trying to create a Mailman installation with 450 
announcement-only mailing lists, and with around 50 umbrella lists. 
Each announcement list will have between 10 and 500 members. Each 
umbrella list is also announcement only made up of various 
combinations of the smaller announcement lists. Does anyone have any 
advice or experience in a setup like this? Thanks, Michael


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[Mailman-Users] Unicode problems with admindb

[Mike Alberghini]

I'm having some trouble with 2.1.4.  When I try to go to the list admindb
page, I get a "UnicodeError: ASCII encoding error: ordinal not in range(128)"

I tried deleteing everything for the list in ~mailman/data, with no luck.

The details:

We are running Mailman 2.1.4 on Solaris 8.

http://mailbox.gsu.edu/mailman/admindb/asia-l produces:

Bug in Mailman version 2.1.4

We're sorry, we hit a bug!

If you would like to help us identify the problem, please email a copy of this 
page to the webmaster for this site with a description of what happened. Thanks!
Traceback:

Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/apps/mailman/scripts/driver", line 87, in run_main
main()
  File "/apps/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admindb.py", line 228, in main
num += show_helds_overview(mlist, form)
  File "/apps/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admindb.py", line 473, in show_helds_overview
mlist.HandleRequest(id, mm_cfg.DISCARD)
  File "/apps/mailman/Mailman/ListAdmin.py", line 184, in HandleRequest
forward, addr)
  File "/apps/mailman/Mailman/ListAdmin.py", line 373, in __handlepost
syslog('vette', note)
  File "/apps/mailman/Mailman/Logging/Syslog.py", line 40, in write
self.write_ex(kind, msg, args, kws)
  File "/apps/mailman/Mailman/Logging/Syslog.py", line 58, in write_ex
logf.write(msg + '\n')
  File "/apps/mailman/Mailman/Logging/StampedLogger.py", line 73, in write
Logger.write(self, "%s %s" % (prefix, msg))
  File "/apps/mailman/Mailman/Logging/Logger.py", line 91, in write
f.write(msg)
UnicodeError: ASCII encoding error: ordinal not in range(128)



Python information:

VariableValue
sys.version 2.2.1 (#1, Sep 18 2002, 16:36:23) [GCC 2.95.3 20010315 
(release)]
sys.executable  /apps/python2.2.1/bin/python
sys.prefix  /apps/python2.2.1
sys.exec_prefix /apps/python2.2.1
sys.path/apps/python2.2.1
sys.platformsunos5

Environment variables:

VariableValue
PATH_INFO   /asia-l
HTTP_COOKIE 
asia-l+admin=28020069f9bf984173280031363536333934666537303264373635656366393362613237386234613538396665313437316134
SERVER_SOFTWARE Apache/1.3.26 (Unix) mod_perl/1.24
PYTHONPATH  /apps/mailman
SCRIPT_FILENAME /apps/mailman/cgi-bin/admindb
SERVER_ADMIN[EMAIL PROTECTED]
SCRIPT_NAME /mailman/admindb
SCRIPT_URI  http://mailbox.gsu.edu/mailman/admindb/asia-l
SERVER_SIGNATURE
Apache/1.3.26 Server at mailbox.gsu.edu Port 80
REQUEST_METHOD  GET
HTTP_HOST   mailbox.gsu.edu
SCRIPT_URL  /mailman/admindb/asia-l
SERVER_PROTOCOL HTTP/1.1
QUERY_STRING
HTTP_CONNECTION keep-alive
PATH_TRANSLATED /apps/apache/mailbox.gsu.edu-80/htdocs/asia-l
REQUEST_URI /mailman/admindb/asia-l
HTTP_ACCEPT 
text/xml,application/xml,application/xhtml+xml,text/html;q=0.9,text/plain;q=0.8,image/png,*/*;q=0.5
HTTP_ACCEPT_CHARSET ISO-8859-1,utf-8;q=0.7,*;q=0.7
HTTP_USER_AGENT Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; SunOS sun4u; rv:1.7.3) 
Gecko/20041007 Firefox/0.10.1
TZ  US/Eastern
SERVER_NAME mailbox.gsu.edu
REMOTE_ADDR 131.96.234.45
REMOTE_PORT 51807
HTTP_ACCEPT_LANGUAGEen-us,en;q=0.5
UNIQUE_ID   QZjJeYNgAgwAAEkNPmU
SERVER_PORT 80
GATEWAY_INTERFACE   CGI/1.1
DOCUMENT_ROOT   /apps/apache/mailbox.gsu.edu-80/htdocs
HTTP_ACCEPT_ENCODINGgzip,deflate
SERVER_ADDR 131.96.2.12
HTTP_KEEP_ALIVE 300 

Pretty much the same info gets posted to ~mailman/logs/error.

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[Mailman-Users] How to change URL_HOST without change EMAIL_HOST on existing mailinglist?

[Sythos]

Hi all,

I've some mailing list managed by mailman, all the list are
accepted in the domain "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" but my web domain is
"www.sythos.net".

I found in mm_cfg.py the way to change this in new crate list, but in
old list generated when URL_HOST=EMAIL_HOST how can I change URL_HOST to
www.sythos.net in web (or console) interface?

Second question, in wich way can I set https instead http?

Regards to all
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Re: [Mailman-Users] List has been running for a year and suddenly last night it stopped.

[Brad Knowles]

At 11:24 PM -0800 2004-11-14, Noah wrote:
 possibly you have soft-updates in your /etc/fstab on your /var partition.
 therefore your filesystem is claiming space for unwriten log files, etc.  so
 you will not see them physically on the drive.
	You could have problems with log files that have been deleted but 
which are held open by some process (and therefore the disk space has 
not yet been recovered), regardless of what type of filesystem is 
being used.

	Moreover, the filesystem could have run out of inodes but have 
plenty of disk space available -- a "df -i" should show whether or 
not that was the case, looking in the "ifree" and "%iused" columns.

Excepting these two nits, the advice is good.
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Re: [Mailman-Users] how to set everyone's moderation bit

[martin f krafft]

also sprach Tokio Kikuchi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2004.11.15.0043 +0100]:
> Go to the admin//members page and you will find an interface
> to set all members' moderation bit.

Oh that was too easy!

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