Re: [Mailman-Users] Subject_prefix doesn't get added for posts from onedomain

[Chris Malatesta]

Yes, these are posts from the list, actually they are any post to any list
from people at this company... I don't understand how this could happen
either, but the only thing I can think is different between one of their
posts and all others is the header...

On 2/5/05 12:47 PM, "Mark Sapiro" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Chris Malatesta wrote:
>> 
>> I have setup a new mailman server for a client (RHE3/netmail 1.0.5/Mailman
>> 2.1.5) when people from one domain running qmail post to a newly created
>> list with the default options, the subject_prefix doesn¹t get added to the
>> subject line, but it does for everyone else???
> 
> I assume you're sure you're seeing a message from the list and not a
> direct Cc:
> 
>> The only thing I can think could be different is the header of the email,
>> There are some differences with mail from this domain, which I don¹t believe
>> should be this way, but not sure if this is what causes the problem..
> 
> I can't see how this would affect prefixing as long as the message
> processing is otherwise normal.
> 
>> Any ideas would be appreciated.
>> 
>> Chris
>> 
>> 
>> I.e. Here is a header from this domain, with the actual address names and
>> ip's changed.
>> 
>> Received: from domain.com ([55.255.255.255]) by otherdomain.com with
>> Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211);
>> Wed, 2 Feb 2005 17:30:07 -0800
>> Received: (qmail 508 invoked by uid 14282); 3 Feb 2005 01:33:53 -
>> Received: from [EMAIL PROTECTED] by domain.com by uid 505 with
>> qmail-scanner-1.22
>> (avp: 5.0.2.0. f-prot: 3.12/.  Clear:RC:1(10.250.100.83):.
>> Processed in 0.557572 secs); 03 Feb 2005 01:33:53 -
>> Received: from in.domain.com (HELO usersname) (10.250.100.83)
>>^^
> 
> This is how the user's MUA or webmail or whatever identified itself. It
> should not be significant as long as the receiver accepted the mail.
> 
>>  by 0 with SMTP; 3 Feb 2005 01:33:53 -
>> Reply-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> From: "First Last" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> To: "'First Last'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> Subject: Same Problem
>> Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 17:34:44 -0800
>> Organization: Company Name
>> 
 AND THE ID HAS THE USERS NAME HERE INSTEAD OF THE DOMAIN NAME
>> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
  ^^^
> 
> This is not a problem either. This is generated by the user's MUA and
> is not required to be a domain name. Look at the Message-ID: in this
> mail from me. It will be of the form
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> with differences just left
> of the @. The "msapiro" to the right of the @ looks like a user name
> (actually it's a machine name), and it's never been a problem.
> 
>> 
>> MIME-Version: 1.0
>> Content-Type: multipart/mixed;
>>boundary="=_NextPart_000_012C_01C5094D.7ED0EBC0"
>> X-Priority: 3 (Normal)
>> X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
>> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627
>> Importance: Normal
>> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441
>> X-Bogosity: No, tests=bogofilter, spamicity=0.50, version=0.17.5
>> Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Feb 2005 01:30:08.0062 (UTC)
>> FILETIME=[E53905E0:01C5098F]
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Re: [Mailman-Users] bouncing problem with specific address resp.message-id

[Mark Sapiro]

Dennis Galander wrote:
>
>i use the actual mailman v2.1.5 and sendmail 8.12.3 as mta (if this
>matters?!).
>many lists are running on this server without any troubles. but now i
>got a problem with a specific email-address which will be bounced and i
>don't have any idea to solve this.
>
>the subscribed address is [EMAIL PROTECTED] and the mail-log shows this
>as the from-address of the mail-header:
>
>sendmail[9815]: j12IixwR009815: from=<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, size=228403,
>class=0, nrcpts=1,
>msgid=<[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>domain.de>, proto=ESMTP, daemon=MTA, relay=mail5.exozet.com
>[192.168.13.16]
>
>sendmail[9822]: j12IixwR009815: to="|/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman
>bounces listname", ctladdr=<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> (2/0),
>delay=00:00:01, xdelay=00:00:00, mailer=prog, pri=258656, dsn=2.0.0,
>stat=Sent
>
>(sorry for changing the origin address and listname, but it's for
>privacy issues)
>
>as you can see the message-id contains the domain INSIDE.DOMAIN.DE and
>in my opinion this is the reason why the mails from this user are
>bounced:
>
>Feb 02 19:45:02 2005 (9202) bounce message w/no discernable addresses:
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>.de>
>Feb 02 19:45:02 2005 (9202) forwarding unrecognized, message-id:
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>.de>
>
>now my question: is it possible to change the configuration in that way
>to accept mails from this user. the problem is the user doesn't really
>know his "real" domain name...

I don't think the INSIDE.DOMAIN.DE in the Message-ID: is relevant to
the issue. Nor do I think the user is bouncing.

It looks to me like the user is sending his post to the
[EMAIL PROTECTED] address instead of to
[EMAIL PROTECTED] I suspect that these posts are replies and
his MUA is replying to the envelope sender instead of the proper
address.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] [2.1.5] Enable MBox-Archive-Download ...

[Mark Sapiro]

Martin Mewes wrote:

>Hi Mark,
>
>Mark Sapiro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote :
>
>> It was implicitly covered in
>> http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq04.053.htp
>> which I have just updated to make the need more clear.
>
>Wrong path a bit ;-)
>
>http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?query=mbox&querytype=simple&casefold=yes&req=search
>[...]
>4.34. I don't want the "download full raw archive" link which provides 
>non-antispammed email addresses
>
>Somewhere here should be written how to enable the mbox-download if it 
>is really necessary.

Sorry, I misunderstood what you thought should be in the FAQ.

I have added a note to
http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq04.034.htp

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Re: [Mailman-Users] [2.1.5] Enable MBox-Archive-Download ...

[Martin Mewes]

Hi Mark,

Mark Sapiro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote :

> It was implicitly covered in
> http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq04.053.htp
> which I have just updated to make the need more clear.

Wrong path a bit ;-)

http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?query=mbox&querytype=simple&casefold=yes&req=search
[...]
4.34. I don't want the "download full raw archive" link which provides 
non-antispammed email addresses

Somewhere here should be written how to enable the mbox-download if it 
is really necessary.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] I am getting closer :)

[Mark Sapiro]

Mark Ballard wrote:

>OK, it is almost working,
>
>Two things left to fix.
>I would like to edit the outgoing email that explains how to post.


Are you talking about the mail that begins


Welcome to the ... mailing list!
   (list speciic welcome here)
To post to this list, send your email to:
...

If so, this message is generated from the subscribeack.txt template.
The FAQ at
http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq04.048.htp
has information on how to edit this, but to be more specific, assuming
you only want to change the English language template for the list
named my-list, do the following.

Make a copy of templates/en/subscribeack.txt. Do not make any changes
to and do not delete templates/en/subscribeack.txt.

Edit the copy as desired

Store the edited copy in lists/my-list/en/subscribeack.txt, creating
the lists/my-list/en directory if necessary.

Both the lists/my-list/en directory and the
lists/my-list/en/subscribeack.txt file should belong to the mailman
group and have at least permissions 2750 and 640 respectively.

>And also,
>
>When I add a new user from the web I get two admin requests to approve.
>
>One to  [EMAIL PROTECTED]  < the main list>
>from [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
>
>if I accept this then I get another admin request to approve
>to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> From [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>Why am I getting two for each person who subscribes.

I don't know. What are the list settings for owner and moderator and
subscribe_policy. How are you subscribing the user - from Membership
Management...->Mass Subscription or from the listinfo page?

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Re: Virus Just Got Through on TOTALLYMODERATEDlist.

[Mark Sapiro]

Dan Mahoneywrote:

>On Sat, 5 Feb 2005, Jeff Groves wrote:
>
>>> I think the two Received: headers could be enough considering the worm
>>> probably has it's own SMTP engine. The way to answer this for sure is
>>> to see if it is in the 'post' log.
>
>Jan 27 22:55:10 2005 (39139) post to vgc-announce from 
>[EMAIL PROTECTED], size=39384, 
>message-id=<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, success
>
>> I agree with Mark and would go even further that it is all you need to know. 
>> The pcp08579508pcs.alxndr01.va.comcast.net address, which is indicative of a 
>> Comcast end-user in Alexandria, Virginia, is plenty to know that the user 
>> that had the address at the particular time (Thu, 27 Jan 2005 21:15:35 -0500 
>> (EST)) was infected with some type of worm.
>
>Jeff, I had already worked out that much.  And it might have trolled the 
>list posting address from an address book or a previous email...but...
>
>1) (This is the question I've been wanting the answer to the whole 
>time)...Why did it not require approval?  When Eric Graves (the same guy, 
>same email address, the list owner and moderator), goes to make a post, it 
>gets held back with a "requires approval".  Up until recently, we took 
>this as a sign that security was as it should be.  Even if someone spoofed 
>the email address, we'd have a chance to catch it.

We clearly don't know the answer to this. Assuming it is in the 'post'
log and thus for sure came from the list and wasn't just spoofed to
look like it came from the list, the only way I know for it to get
through is if it contained an Approved: header or first line with the
list password.

There was some conjecture earlier in this thread about how this might
happen, but it seems highly unlikely and the characteristics of
[EMAIL PROTECTED] which you identified in the OP would seem to preclude
it, so I'm at a loss for an explanation.

>2) Why isn't it in the vette log?

Because it wasn't held for approval.

>3) If the worm spoofed all the x-mailman headers and everything, and 
>magically managed to insert itself into the pipermail archives, why are 
>the logs missing?

I forgot you said it was in the archive. Was there an entry in the
'post' log? Was there an entry or entries in the 'smtp' log? If these
are absent, it may be a clue.

As I said before, the information we really need in order to figure
this out would be the post as received by Mailman, not the one sent
out, but there's no way to get this from Mailman after the fact.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Re: Virus Just Got Through on TOTALLYMODERATED list.

[Dan Mahoney, System Admin]

On Sat, 5 Feb 2005, Jeff Groves wrote:
I think the two Received: headers could be enough considering the worm
probably has it's own SMTP engine. The way to answer this for sure is
to see if it is in the 'post' log.
Jan 27 22:55:10 2005 (39139) post to vgc-announce from 
[EMAIL PROTECTED], size=39384, 
message-id=<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, success

I agree with Mark and would go even further that it is all you need to know. 
The pcp08579508pcs.alxndr01.va.comcast.net address, which is indicative of a 
Comcast end-user in Alexandria, Virginia, is plenty to know that the user 
that had the address at the particular time (Thu, 27 Jan 2005 21:15:35 -0500 
(EST)) was infected with some type of worm.
Jeff, I had already worked out that much.  And it might have trolled the 
list posting address from an address book or a previous email...but...

1) (This is the question I've been wanting the answer to the whole 
time)...Why did it not require approval?  When Eric Graves (the same guy, 
same email address, the list owner and moderator), goes to make a post, it 
gets held back with a "requires approval".  Up until recently, we took 
this as a sign that security was as it should be.  Even if someone spoofed 
the email address, we'd have a chance to catch it.

2) Why isn't it in the vette log?
3) If the worm spoofed all the x-mailman headers and everything, and 
magically managed to insert itself into the pipermail archives, why are 
the logs missing?

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Subject_prefix doesn't get added for posts from onedomain

[Mark Sapiro]

Chris Malatesta wrote:
>
>I have setup a new mailman server for a client (RHE3/netmail 1.0.5/Mailman
>2.1.5) when people from one domain running qmail post to a newly created
>list with the default options, the subject_prefix doesn¹t get added to the
>subject line, but it does for everyone else???

I assume you're sure you're seeing a message from the list and not a
direct Cc:

>The only thing I can think could be different is the header of the email,
>There are some differences with mail from this domain, which I don¹t believe
>should be this way, but not sure if this is what causes the problem..

I can't see how this would affect prefixing as long as the message
processing is otherwise normal.

>Any ideas would be appreciated.
>
>Chris
>
>
>I.e. Here is a header from this domain, with the actual address names and
>ip's changed.
>
>Received: from domain.com ([55.255.255.255]) by otherdomain.com with
>Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211);
> Wed, 2 Feb 2005 17:30:07 -0800
>Received: (qmail 508 invoked by uid 14282); 3 Feb 2005 01:33:53 -
>Received: from [EMAIL PROTECTED] by domain.com by uid 505 with
>qmail-scanner-1.22 
> (avp: 5.0.2.0. f-prot: 3.12/.  Clear:RC:1(10.250.100.83):.
> Processed in 0.557572 secs); 03 Feb 2005 01:33:53 -
>Received: from in.domain.com (HELO usersname) (10.250.100.83)
>^^

This is how the user's MUA or webmail or whatever identified itself. It
should not be significant as long as the receiver accepted the mail.

>  by 0 with SMTP; 3 Feb 2005 01:33:53 -
>Reply-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>From: "First Last" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: "'First Last'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Subject: Same Problem
>Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 17:34:44 -0800
>Organization: Company Name
>
>>> AND THE ID HAS THE USERS NAME HERE INSTEAD OF THE DOMAIN NAME
>Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>>  ^^^

This is not a problem either. This is generated by the user's MUA and
is not required to be a domain name. Look at the Message-ID: in this
mail from me. It will be of the form
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> with differences just left
of the @. The "msapiro" to the right of the @ looks like a user name
(actually it's a machine name), and it's never been a problem.

>
>MIME-Version: 1.0
>Content-Type: multipart/mixed;
>boundary="=_NextPart_000_012C_01C5094D.7ED0EBC0"
>X-Priority: 3 (Normal)
>X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
>X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627
>Importance: Normal
>X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441
>X-Bogosity: No, tests=bogofilter, spamicity=0.50, version=0.17.5
>Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Feb 2005 01:30:08.0062 (UTC)
>FILETIME=[E53905E0:01C5098F]

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Re: [Mailman-Users] [2.1.5] Enable MBox-Archive-Download ...

[Mark Sapiro]

Martin Mewes wrote:
>
>Mark Sapiro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote :
>
>> Did you do 'mailmanctl restart' after changing mm_cfg.py?
>
>I am such a lousy dumpa.. no, Sir ... done now.
>Test-Install of a new list and mbox was enabled.
>
>Anyway this should be a FAQ-entry ...

It was implicitly covered in
http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq04.053.htp
which I have just updated to make the need more clear.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] [2.1.5] Enable MBox-Archive-Download ...

[Martin Mewes]

Hi Mark,

Mark Sapiro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote :

> Did you do 'mailmanctl restart' after changing mm_cfg.py?

I am such a lousy dumpa.. no, Sir ... done now.
Test-Install of a new list and mbox was enabled.

Anyway this should be a FAQ-entry ...

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Re: [Mailman-Users] List admin problem

[Mark Sapiro]

Young, Darren wrote:

>I have several lists that are throwing the following in the error log:
>
>Feb 04 12:53:07 2005 post(11790): post script, list not found:
>cap-alumni-owner 
>Feb 04 12:53:08 2005 post(11794): post script, list not found:
>cap-alumni-bounces 

>
>/etc/aliases for those:
>
>cap-alumni: "|/home/mailman-2.1/mail/mailman post cap-alumni"
>cap-alumni-admin:   "|/home/mailman-2.1/mail/mailman post
>cap-alumni-admin"
>cap-alumni-bounces: "|/home/mailman-2.1/mail/mailman post
>cap-alumni-bounces"


Your aliases are wrong. They should be:

cap-alumni: "|/home/mailman-2.1/mail/mailman post cap-alumni"
cap-alumni-admin:   "|/home/mailman-2.1/mail/mailman admin cap-alumni"
cap-alumni-bounces: "|/home/mailman-2.1/mail/mailman bounces
cap-alumni"

and so forth.

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[Mailman-Users] Subject_prefix doesn't get added for posts from one domain

[Chris Malatesta]

Hopefully someone has an answer for this one, I haven¹t been able to find it
anywhere...

I have setup a new mailman server for a client (RHE3/netmail 1.0.5/Mailman
2.1.5) when people from one domain running qmail post to a newly created
list with the default options, the subject_prefix doesn¹t get added to the
subject line, but it does for everyone else???

The only thing I can think could be different is the header of the email,
There are some differences with mail from this domain, which I don¹t believe
should be this way, but not sure if this is what causes the problem..

Any ideas would be appreciated.

Chris


I.e. Here is a header from this domain, with the actual address names and
ip's changed.

Received: from domain.com ([55.255.255.255]) by otherdomain.com with
Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211);
 Wed, 2 Feb 2005 17:30:07 -0800
Received: (qmail 508 invoked by uid 14282); 3 Feb 2005 01:33:53 -
Received: from [EMAIL PROTECTED] by domain.com by uid 505 with
qmail-scanner-1.22 
 (avp: 5.0.2.0. f-prot: 3.12/.  Clear:RC:1(10.250.100.83):.
 Processed in 0.557572 secs); 03 Feb 2005 01:33:53 -
Received: from in.domain.com (HELO usersname) (10.250.100.83)
^^
  by 0 with SMTP; 3 Feb 2005 01:33:53 -
Reply-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
From: "First Last" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "'First Last'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Same Problem
Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 17:34:44 -0800
Organization: Company Name

>> AND THE ID HAS THE USERS NAME HERE INSTEAD OF THE DOMAIN NAME
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>  ^^^

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Re: [Mailman-Users] mail man

[Mark Sapiro]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

>I cannot use my mail man account.  My domain is amcollege.edu
>
>I have changed the configuration to mail.amcollege.edu
>
>can you help me make this work?


See http://www.list.org/mailman-member/index.html

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Re: [Mailman-Users] where do i clear out the "mailman queue?"

[Mark Sapiro]

Flip Side wrote:
>
>This is what i've done:
>-I have cleared out the outgoing messages from the
>postfix queue.
>
>-I have stopped the mailman service using
>/bin/mailmanclt stop command.
>
>What I'd like to do:
>
>-I would like to make delete the bounces or perhaps
>move them out of the "queue" so I can re-start
>mailman?
>
>-I am worried if i re-start the service that the
>bounces will go back out to the list.
>
>-I might be paranoid right now, but I just don't want
>to mess things up further.
>
>Can someone help to make sure i've covered all my
>bases and cleaned up my mess appropriately.

All messages queued within Mailman are in the subdirectories (queues)
within the qfiles/ directory. The queues you'd be most concerned about
are in and out and maybe retry. If you delete or move aside all the
files in those queues, the messages will effectively be gone and not
processed further by Mailman.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Re: Virus Just Got Through on TOTALLYMODERATED list.

[Jeff Groves]

Mark Sapiro wrote:
Brad Knowles wrote:

At 1:49 AM -0500 2005-02-04, Dan Mahoney, System Admin wrote:

I checked the vette log.  The message isn't even in there.  Some of the
auto-replies to it are (i.e. "message rejected, it's a virus").  And
the message shows in the pipermail archives.
	In that case, are you sure that the message passed through your 
system?  Maybe the virus spoofed more than just your moderators 
address


Here's the full headers of the thing:
Return-Path: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Received: from prime.gushi.org (localhost [IPv6:::1])
by prime.gushi.org (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0S2GH5b080701
for <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 22:50:56 -0500 (EST)
Received: from ROBERTA.net (pcp08579508pcs.alxndr01.va.comcast.net
[68.83.208.54])
by prime.gushi.org (8.13.1/8.13.1) with SMTP id j0S2FV8o080233
for <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>;
Thu, 27 Jan 2005 21:15:35 -0500 (EST)
	I only see two Received: headers here.  This is not nearly 
enough.  There's a lot of data that appears to be missing.

I think the two Received: headers could be enough considering the worm
probably has it's own SMTP engine. The way to answer this for sure is
to see if it is in the 'post' log.
I agree with Mark and would go even further that it is all you need to know.  The 
pcp08579508pcs.alxndr01.va.comcast.net address, which is indicative of a Comcast end-user in 
Alexandria, Virginia, is plenty to know that the user that had the address at the particular 
time (Thu, 27 Jan 2005 21:15:35 -0500 (EST)) was infected with some type of worm.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] [2.1.5] Enable MBox-Archive-Download ...

[Mark Sapiro]

Martin Mewes wrote:
>
>After I did "PUBLIC_MBOX = Yes" in mm_cfg.py and did a "bin/arch --wipe 
>" afterwards I installed a new list.
>
>Well totally empty at the beginning, but after some messages I checked 
>if the mbox-download is available and there was none. Then I waited for 
>the nightly runs of mailman-cron's thinking they will be enalbled then, 
>but in the end I had to do this for this list again in order to have 
>the mbox-download.
>
>Bug or feature?

Did you do 'mailmanctl restart' after changing mm_cfg.py?

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Re: Virus Just Got Through on TOTALLYMODERATED list.

[Mark Sapiro]

Brad Knowles wrote:

>At 1:49 AM -0500 2005-02-04, Dan Mahoney, System Admin wrote:
>
>>  I checked the vette log.  The message isn't even in there.  Some of the
>>  auto-replies to it are (i.e. "message rejected, it's a virus").  And
>>  the message shows in the pipermail archives.
>
>   In that case, are you sure that the message passed through your 
>system?  Maybe the virus spoofed more than just your moderators 
>address
>
>>  Here's the full headers of the thing:
>>
>>  Return-Path: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>  Received: from prime.gushi.org (localhost [IPv6:::1])
>>  by prime.gushi.org (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0S2GH5b080701
>>  for <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 22:50:56 -0500 (EST)
>>  Received: from ROBERTA.net (pcp08579508pcs.alxndr01.va.comcast.net
>>  [68.83.208.54])
>>  by prime.gushi.org (8.13.1/8.13.1) with SMTP id j0S2FV8o080233
>>  for <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>;
>>  Thu, 27 Jan 2005 21:15:35 -0500 (EST)
>
>   I only see two Received: headers here.  This is not nearly 
>enough.  There's a lot of data that appears to be missing.


I think the two Received: headers could be enough considering the worm
probably has it's own SMTP engine. The way to answer this for sure is
to see if it is in the 'post' log.

The real problem is that other than Brad's suggestion above, these
headers really don't tell us much. What we'd really like to see is the
incoming message as received by Mailman. Of course, there's no way to
do that.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Digest mode attachment URL is bad

[Mark Sapiro]

Larry McMahon-Padolski wrote:
>
>When a user attaches a non-txt file, Mailman provides a URL pointing to  
>the attachment.
>This seems only to apply to digest mode.
>
>For example:
>/pipermail/test_domain.com/attachments/20050201/d8f9df80/ReneeSUMMERSCOURSESCAPP.doc
>
>However the proper URL is:
>http://www.domain.com/pipermail/test_domain.com/attachments/20050201/d8f9df80/ReneeSUMMERSCOURSESCAPP.doc
>
>Is this the fix?
>http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq04.029.htp

Probably. Make sure you read the part about existing lists and fix_url.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Question

[Mark Sapiro]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

>I would like to use mailman for a free cultural newsletter.  
>How do i get started?  Where do i register and where do i find out  about how 
>to use it for my mailing list?

See http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq01.017.htp

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Re: [Mailman-Users] RE: Question about Mailman feature

[Mark Sapiro]

CHANG,HENRY wrote:
>
>There is an option that states “preserve message for site admin…”  Until
>yesterday I was under the impression that this meant the messages in the
>pending request queue would remain there untouched.  But I was testing it
>out with this option checked and the messages are always deleted from the
>pending requests page unless you select the defer option.
>
>When they specify that a copy is kept for the site administrator do they
>actually mean that the pending message is deleted from the page but saved
>on the machine housing the list messages?

Yes.

>Is this only accessible only by
>those with direct access to the hardware it's stored on and not the list
>admin/mods?

Yes

The message is saved as a plain text file with a .msg extention in a
directory which by default is $prefix/spam (where $prefix is the home
directory of the mailman installation), but it can be any directory
(on the mailman installation machine) as defined by the  mm_cfg.py
SPAM_DIR variable.

If you want it to remain in the admindb interface, you need to 'hold'
it. Otherwise, you can discard it and forward to the list admin.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Discarding stripped messages and rejecting implicitdeclaration posts.

[Mark Sapiro]

Lars Bungum wrote:

>I have two Mailman lists and a problem for each.
>
>1.  On the first messages with disallowed attachments are stripped of 
>these, but not held for moderator approval.  I would like to see them 
>held for such, how do I accomplish this?

There is no option to hold messages which have had parts removed by
content filtering.

The only thing you might be able to do without hacking the code is to
adjust max_message_size to hold messages with "large" attachments and
not those without, but this would obviously not be very reliable.

>2. On a different list messages that are posted either with implicit 
>declarations or with to many recipients are being held for moderator 
>approval.  I would like them to be discarded.  How do I do this?


There's no option for this either.


>I've tried to look up and down the administration interface to find the 
>correct options, but can't seem to find the right mix.  On the first one 
>I thought selecting "filter_action" discard would be of use, but this 
>had no effect.  The remainder of the message was still sent to the list.

filter_action only applies if there is nothing left after content
filtering.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Error in mailman logs

[Mark Sapiro]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

>I'm receiving this error in the /home/mailman/logs/error file, what is the 
>solution to fixing this problem?  I would appreciate help, thanks.
>
>Dec 07 16:14:05 2004 (30811) Traceback (most recent call last):
>  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 111, in _oneloop
>self._onefile(msg, msgdata)
>  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 167, in _onefile
>keepqueued = self._dispose(mlist, msg, msgdata)
>  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Queue/CommandRunner.py", line 223, in _dispose
>res = Results(mlist, msg, msgdata)
>  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Queue/CommandRunner.py", line 77, in __init__
>subj = make_header(decode_header(subj)).__unicode__()
>  File "/home/mailman/pythonlib/email/Header.py", line 144, in make_header
>h.append(s, charset)
>  File "/home/mailman/pythonlib/email/Header.py", line 272, in append
>ustr = unicode(s, incodec, errors)
>UnicodeError: ASCII decoding error: ordinal not in range(128)

Someone has sent a message to the list's -request, -join, -subscribe,
-leave or -unsubscribe address which contains non-ascii character(s)
in the Subject: header.

The solution is to convince people not to do that :-)

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Re: [Mailman-Users] How do I Customize the Monthly Reminder?

[Mark Sapiro]

Bashir Ghandi wrote:
>
>Is it possible for the list admin to know when a list
>member changes his e-mail address?  I mean is there a
>way to send a message to the system admin similar to
>what happens when a user subscribe or unsubscribe?

Not without hacking the code or doing something kludgey. Address
changes aren't logged or reported.

In your case, without shell access, I think the best you can do is get
periodic membership lists and compare them. See
http://starship.python.net/crew/jwt/mailman/#throughtheweb for a
script that can get a complete member list via the web interface. You
can use the e-mail "who" command to get a list, but the list may be
incomplete as hidden members aren't included.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Another newbie startup question

[John Fleming]

Anyway, I think those are working, but that leads to my second
question:  Is it possible to print (or see) a complete membership list,
rather than having it displayed 30 at a time on the membership page?
You can send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED], blank subject, and 
"who" and your password on the top line of the body and the members list 
will be emailed to you.  Depending on your list's settings, you will need to 
be the admin or owner.

Body:
who password

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman 2.1.5 attachment url bug

[Tokio Kikuchi]

Larry McMahon-Padolski wrote:
Hi,
I mean that the URL needs to be prefixed with http://www.domain.com to  
work.
How can I find out that this is fixed it 2.1.6?

How can I tell if the lists hostname is set properly?  Is this done in the
Mailmain admin tool?
If you have shell access to your machine, you can test like (as mailman 
user):
% withlist listname
Loading list listname (unlocked)
The variable `m' is the listname MailList instance
>>> m.host_name
'example.com'
>>> m.GetBaseArchiveURL()
'http://www.example.com/pipermail/listname/'
>>>

Larry
On Sat, 05 Feb 2005 11:44:08 +0900, Tokio Kikuchi  
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Larry McMahon-Padolski wrote:
Hi,
 When a user attaches a non-txt file, Mailman provides a URL 
pointing  to  the attachment.
For example:
/pipermail/listname_domain.com/attachments/20050201/d8f9df80/ReneeSUMMERSCOURSESCAPP.doc  
  However the proper URL is:
http://www.domain.com/pipermail/listname_domain.com/attachments/20050201/d8f9df80/ReneeSUMMERSCOURSESCAPP.doc 


Do you mean that scheme://host part is absent in the URL?
It is taken from mlist.GetBaseArchiveURL() and automatically 
determined  if list's hostname (for email) is set properly. You may 
want to upgrade  to 2.1.6 beta 2 because there are a number of fixes 
in Scrubber.py.


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Re: [Mailman-Users] question about pgp key

[Brad Knowles]

At 10:04 PM -0500 2005-02-04, poolinfo wrote:
 I want to download and install mailman. I would like to check the
 signature of the download and have the signature. I need to have the
 pgp/gpg key to verify the signature, but I cannot find it anywhere
 on your site or the sourceforge site.
	The key should be on all the public key servers, such as 
pgpkeys.mit.edu, keyserver.net, etc  You should download it from 
there, so that you can be reasonably sure that key is not 
compromised, and can be used to securely sign binaries.

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[Mailman-Users] question about pgp key

[poolinfo]

Hello,
I want to download and install mailman. I would like to check the 
signature of the download and have the signature. I need to have the 
pgp/gpg key to verify the signature, but I cannot find it anywhere on 
your site or the sourceforge site.

Any help is appreciated.
Thanks,
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[Mailman-Users] debian sarge install help - "Mailman CGI error!!!"

[Jed Davidow]

I am a relative newbie to linux and debian.
I installed mailman via apt-get, and have since run "dpkg -reconfigure 
mailman" a couple times.  I also ran the check_perms script.

I am running with postfix and apache2.  Also running python 2.3 and I 
installed python2.3-dev.

When I hit one of the mailman cgi pages, I get a scambled page back, 
about halfway down is the following:

   Mailman CGI error!!!
   --with-cgi-gidwebCGI--with-mail-gidmailPYTHONPATH=PYTHONHOME=
   -S%sThe Mailman CGI wrapper encountered a fatal error. This
   entry is being stored in your syslog:Group mismatch error. Mailman
   expected the %s wrapper script to be executed as group "%s", but the
   system's %s server executed the %s script as group "%s". Try tweaking
   the %s server to run the script as group "%s", or re-run configure,
   providing the command line option `%s=%s'.Failure to find group name %s.
   Try adding this group to your system, or re-run configure, providing
   an existing group name with the command line option %s.
There's a lot of posts about fixing this error when the message is 
formatted correctly, but not when the strings have not been processed.

I searched the web for some of these strings, and found a bunch of pages 
just like mine (broken), but can't find any help getting the cgi to run 
correctly.

Any ideas?
Thanks
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[Mailman-Users] Basic Mailman questions

[Alisa M. Lund]

I am a new user to Mailman and apologize for these basic questions.  I did
look for answers but couldn't quite find what I was looking for.

I get access to my mailing list by going to where our website is being
hosted and using the Plesk Control Panel.  From there a new window opens
with the Mailman (version 2.1.1) mailing list administration page.

I am trying to set up an announcement list and think I have that pretty much
figured out thanks to going to
http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=all#3.11  but within that I
don't understand some things like:  In Mailman 2.1.x you can customize the
welcome message.  Create a directory lists//en (assuming English
:) and copy templates/subscribeack.txt to this directory.  Then edit this
file for your specific wording.  Mailman will use this specialized template
for the English welcome messages.

Where would I go to do this??  Or is this something I can't get access to
since I'm not running Mailman on my machine??

There are other things similar to this like the thread from earlier today
about removing old archives or adding a footer to all posts, etc.

I'd appreciate any help.

Thanks,

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Re: [Mailman-Users] How do I resolve this?

[Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC]

On Feb 5, 2005, at 12:37 AM, Dr. Jones wrote:
Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC wrote:
On Feb 4, 2005, at 11:45 PM, Dr. Jones wrote:
I get this message after having sent an email to the address below:
The address to which the message has not yet been delivered is:
 pipe to |/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman post 2ls
   generated by [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   Delay reason: pipe_transport unset in system_aliases router
What do I need to change to resolve this?

You seem to be using exim as an MTA.
Go to your exim.conf (or whatever the exim configuration file is 
called on your system) and find the system_aliases router

add the following line
  pipe_transport = address_pipe
there is probably a line that starts   file_transport =  or something 
like that
stick it after  that line.

Then restart your exim
userforward:
 driver = forwardfile
 file_transport = address_file
 pipe_transport = address_pipe
 reply_transport = address_reply
system_aliases:
 driver = aliasfile
 file_transport = address_file
 pipe_transport = address_pipe
 file = /etc/aliases
 search_type = lsearch
That's in my /etc/exim/exim/conf file.
Well, the error is telling you that the pipe_transport is unset in 
system_aliases.  Your file seems to indicate that that is not true -- 
it is set.  So you need to debug it and make sure it is using the 
config file you think it is using.  Play detective based on what you 
know.  Restart exim (% kill -HUP ) as a starting point.

Chad
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