Re: [Mailman-Users] Subscriber's Choice - html or plain text?

[Mark Sapiro]

Daniel Bulli wrote:

>I would like to set up an announce list using Mailman, but would like the 
>users to have the option to receive html or plain text emails. I have only 
>seen such an option on digest mode.
>
>Does anyone know if this is possible?

The option for digests is MIME vs. plain text, not HTML vs. plain text.
It controls whether the digest is sent with each post as a separate
message/rfc822 part vs. all messages in a flat text digest.

There is no user option for message or digest mode which allows
selection of HTML vs. plain text.

However, since you are talking about an announce list, and you have
control over what's posted, you could turn off (or not turn on)
content filtering for the list and then what you post will go to the
list as is, at least to non-digest subscribers, and you probably don't
have digest subscribers anyway.

Then you can post multipart/alternative with plain text and HTML parts
to the list and the users can select via their MUAs which part to view.

This may or may not be a satisfactory solution for you, but I think
it's the best you can do with current Mailman.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Re: Non-members allowed to post!

[Mark Sapiro]

David Gibbs wrote:
>
>At this point I'm 99% sure that Mailman is misinterpreting the
>'X-MailScanner-From' header, because that's the only place that the
>'[EMAIL PROTECTED]' address is showing up.

In
http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2005-March/043346.html
I said:


If you remove any "USE_ENVELOPE_SENDER = Yes" from mm_cfg.py and put

SENDER_HEADERS = ('from', 'reply-to', 'sender')

into mm_cfg.py, then envelope sender won't be used at all. That might
help.


and in
http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2005-March/043354.html
you replied


I actually changed that in my mm_cfg.py file after this problem started 
in hopes that it would help.  The original value was No, I changed it
to 
Yes.

Now the messages are held because 'news at sea.gmane.org' is not a
member 
of the list.


I thought that meant that when you followed my suggestion (which
removes envelope sender from consideration), that posts weren't
accepted. Doesn't that prove that it is envelope sender and not
misinterpretation of X-MailScanner-From: that allows the post through?

When the message is piped to Mailman, There should be a Return-Path:
header as the very first header which contains the envelope sender.

If you give me permission, I'll post a very simple message to your list
with envelope sender [EMAIL PROTECTED] and no header containing that
address (except maybe an X-Authentication-Warning), and we'll see what
happens.

BTW, does your list have local archives? If so, the archive .mbox file
has "unix from" lines at the beginning of each message (lines of the
form "From [EMAIL PROTECTED] date/time". It also has in my case at
least, a Return-Path: header in each message. These contain the
envelope sender.

>Here's a copy of the full headers (personal email address obfuscated)
>for a message that came from gmane.  "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" is indeed a
>subscriber to the list in question.
>
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>X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>From: "Buck Calabro" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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>Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2005 12:04:06 -0500
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>X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
>X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4922.1500
>X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4925.2800
>Sender: news <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>X-Gmane-MailScanner: Found to be clean
>X-Gmane-MailScanner: Found to be clean
>X-MailScanner-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>X-MailScanner-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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And where did the above copy of the message come from?

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[Mailman-Users] XHTML Compliant Web UI 2.1.6b4 Patch

[Bryan Carbonnell]

I have just uploaded a patch that will make the web UI for MM 2.1.6b4 
XHTML 1 strict compliant.

Well, the start of a patch. Currently only the listinfo pages are 
xhtml 1 compliant and some minor CSS formating ability.

As time goes by, I'm going to update the patch to include more of the 
UI pages.

Since this is my first atempt at something like this I thought I'd 
post it incrementally in case anyone finds something terrible wrong 
with what I'm doing :)

It it patch 1160353 in the Sourceforge Mailman patch repository.
http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1160353&group
_id=103&atid=300103

If anyone has any feedback on it, I'd love to hear it.

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[Mailman-Users] Subscriber's Choice - html or plain text?

[Daniel Bulli]

I would like to set up an announce list using Mailman, but would like the users 
to have the option to receive html or plain text emails. I have only seen 
such an option on digest mode.

Does anyone know if this is possible?

Thanks,
Daniel


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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman High Availability Configuration andScalability

[Brad Knowles]

At 4:12 PM -0500 2005-03-09, Forrest Aldrich wrote:
 To clarify:  by "High Availability" I mean a redundant configuration --
 are there any documents on how to do this with Mailman.
I'm not aware of anything.
  Can it interface
 with LDAP, etc. etc.   War stories (good and bad) welcomed :-)

	There are member adapters, but to get the full story I think you 
need to spend some time searching the archives.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] problem with cron jobs

[Brad Knowles]

At 2:40 PM -0700 2005-03-09, Jon Jacobsen wrote:
 Yes. I believe the 'mailman' list it setup correctly. I am trying to
 figure out why I am getting a bash error when then python script runs.
 I even put  .bashrc in mailman's home directory.
	Weird.  There shouldn't be any invocation of bash, at least not 
by Mailman or Python when trying to send e-mail to a list.

	Are you sure that you've got a Python executable where the 
Mailman scripts are expecting it?

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Re: [Mailman-Users] problem with cron jobs

[Jon Jacobsen]

It seems that /var/mailman/cron/crontab.in gets copied to 
/etc/cron.d/mailman when mailman is started. These files are the same 
and I have not modified them. It does appear that the Redhat cron is 
having a problem executing the script as mailman user.

John Dennis wrote:
On Wed, 2005-03-09 at 12:07 -0700, Jon Jacobsen wrote:
Hi,
I installed a Redhat rpm mailman-2.1.5-23 on a Redhat enterprise server. 
The mailman appears to be working, but I'm having problems with cron. 
When the job run root posts to the 'mailman' list I created the following:

/bin/sh: line 1: mailman: command not found
I have no errors with 'check_perms' and /etc/cron.d/mailman looks fine. 
I can run:

#su - mailman -c "/var/mailman/cron/gate_news"
without errors.
Any Ideas?

There is a difference between the format of cron jobs created with
crontab vs. what is the system cron files located in /etc/cron.d. That
difference is the insertion of the username (uid) that the cron job is
to be run as. The username is inserted after the 5 time fields and
before the command. Look at the file /etc/cron.d/mailman, you'll see
lines that look something like this:
0 5 1 * * mailman /usr/lib/mailman/cron/mailpasswds
Note that the 6th field is the username "mailman" which is the user the
command is supposed run with the privileges of. ONLY files
in /etc/cron.d have this extra field. If you installed the cron jobs
using the command "crontab" using a file that has this format (recall
that crontab files DO NOT have the username in them, its specified as an
argument to crontab (e.g. -u) then cron will be confused into thinking
the command is "mailman" because the 6th entry in a crontab file is the
command (its the 7th entry in a system cron file).
This is the most likely cause of the symptom you report. The rpm is
supposed to correctly handle the cron installation and is aware of the
difference between "system cron files" and files passed to crontab (of
course there might be an rpm bug, especially if you didn't manually try
to modify what the rpm installation did).
I just spoke with the cron maintainer here who said there were some
versions of cron in RHEL3 (which is the distribution your mailman rpm
came from) that had some bugs. You could try updating your version of
cron and see if that helps, but it really sounds to me like a mismatch
of the cron formats.
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Re: [Mailman-Users] problem with cron jobs

[John Dennis]

On Wed, 2005-03-09 at 12:07 -0700, Jon Jacobsen wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I installed a Redhat rpm mailman-2.1.5-23 on a Redhat enterprise server. 
> The mailman appears to be working, but I'm having problems with cron. 
> When the job run root posts to the 'mailman' list I created the following:
> 
> /bin/sh: line 1: mailman: command not found
> 
> I have no errors with 'check_perms' and /etc/cron.d/mailman looks fine. 
> I can run:
> 
> #su - mailman -c "/var/mailman/cron/gate_news"
> 
> without errors.
> 
> Any Ideas?

There is a difference between the format of cron jobs created with
crontab vs. what is the system cron files located in /etc/cron.d. That
difference is the insertion of the username (uid) that the cron job is
to be run as. The username is inserted after the 5 time fields and
before the command. Look at the file /etc/cron.d/mailman, you'll see
lines that look something like this:

0 5 1 * * mailman /usr/lib/mailman/cron/mailpasswds

Note that the 6th field is the username "mailman" which is the user the
command is supposed run with the privileges of. ONLY files
in /etc/cron.d have this extra field. If you installed the cron jobs
using the command "crontab" using a file that has this format (recall
that crontab files DO NOT have the username in them, its specified as an
argument to crontab (e.g. -u) then cron will be confused into thinking
the command is "mailman" because the 6th entry in a crontab file is the
command (its the 7th entry in a system cron file).

This is the most likely cause of the symptom you report. The rpm is
supposed to correctly handle the cron installation and is aware of the
difference between "system cron files" and files passed to crontab (of
course there might be an rpm bug, especially if you didn't manually try
to modify what the rpm installation did).

I just spoke with the cron maintainer here who said there were some
versions of cron in RHEL3 (which is the distribution your mailman rpm
came from) that had some bugs. You could try updating your version of
cron and see if that helps, but it really sounds to me like a mismatch
of the cron formats.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] problem with cron jobs

[Jon Jacobsen]

Yes. I believe the 'mailman' list it setup correctly. I am trying to 
figure out why I am getting a bash error when then python script runs. I 
even put  .bashrc in mailman's home directory.  I run:

su mailman -c "/usr/bin/python -S -v /var/mailman/cron/disabled"
and don't see any errors in the dump to standard IO. 
/var/log/mailman/error does not show errors either

Thanks
Brad Knowles wrote:
At 12:07 PM -0700 2005-03-09, Jon Jacobsen wrote:
 I installed a Redhat rpm mailman-2.1.5-23 on a Redhat enterprise server.
 The mailman appears to be working, but I'm having problems with cron. 
When
 the job run root posts to the 'mailman' list I created the following:

 /bin/sh: line 1: mailman: command not found

Have you looked at 
 
and ?

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman High Availability Configuration andScalability

[Forrest Aldrich]

Thanks to the people who responded privately.
To clarify:  by "High Availability" I mean a redundant configuration -- 
are there any documents on how to do this with Mailman.   Can it 
interface with LDAP, etc. etc.   War stories (good and bad) welcomed :-)

Thanks in advance...

Mark Sapiro wrote:
Forrest Aldrich wrote:
 

Does Mailman provide an API that may enable hooks into/from other 
applications.
   

You might be interested in
http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-developers/2005-January/017722.html
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Re: [Mailman-Users] problem with cron jobs

[Brad Knowles]

At 12:07 PM -0700 2005-03-09, Jon Jacobsen wrote:
 I installed a Redhat rpm mailman-2.1.5-23 on a Redhat enterprise server.
 The mailman appears to be working, but I'm having problems with cron. When
 the job run root posts to the 'mailman' list I created the following:
 /bin/sh: line 1: mailman: command not found
	Have you looked at 
 
and 
?

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[Mailman-Users] problem with cron jobs

[Jon Jacobsen]

Hi,
I installed a Redhat rpm mailman-2.1.5-23 on a Redhat enterprise server. 
The mailman appears to be working, but I'm having problems with cron. 
When the job run root posts to the 'mailman' list I created the following:

/bin/sh: line 1: mailman: command not found
I have no errors with 'check_perms' and /etc/cron.d/mailman looks fine. 
I can run:

#su - mailman -c "/var/mailman/cron/gate_news"
without errors.
Any Ideas?
Jon
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[Mailman-Users] Re: Non-members allowed to post!

[David Gibbs]

Brad Knowles wrote:
> Does any Mailman administrator have any agreement with Gmane, or is
> it just the users.

I'm pretty sure it's the users.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Re: Non-members allowed to post!

[David Gibbs]

Brad Knowles wrote:
>>  Are we really talking about the 'sender' mail header?
> Some MTAs may encode that information in the "Sender:" header, yes.

At this point I'm 99% sure that Mailman is misinterpreting the
'X-MailScanner-From' header, because that's the only place that the
'[EMAIL PROTECTED]' address is showing up.

Here's a copy of the full headers (personal email address obfuscated)
for a message that came from gmane.  "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" is indeed a
subscriber to the list in question.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Non-members allowed to post!

[John W. Baxter]

On 3/9/2005 10:27, "Brad Knowles" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>>  That might violate one's agreement with Gmane (I've never seen the
>>  agreement).
> 
> Does any Mailman administrator have any agreement with Gmane, or
> is it just the users.

If one has to take action to get a list into Gmane, then that individual
presumably is agreeing to something.  If the administrator running the MTA
then frustrates that agreement, I wonder what the outcome is.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Non-members allowed to post!

[John W. Baxter]

On 3/9/2005 8:29, "Mark Sapiro" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> John W. Baxter wrote:
>> 
>> Whether the MTA adds a Return-Path: (or other) header is configurable in
>> most MTAs...I don't know how to set up Postfix to add it to messages sent to
>> the Mailman input CGI.
> 
> It doesn't seem that it should be "configurable". Quoting from RFC
> 2821, sec 4.4

My error...my mind slipped over to another header.  Thank you for the
correction.

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[Mailman-Users] Re: Non-members allowed to post!

[Brad Knowles]

At 12:06 PM -0600 2005-03-09, David Gibbs wrote:
 Ok, so then there is no way for Mailman to know the envelope sender,
 right?  Mailman can only look at the mail that is piped into it from the
 MTA (sendmail in my case), so if the information isn't available on the
 headers, Mailman can't be aware of it.
	It depends on how your MTA provides that information to the Local 
Delivery Agent.  That information may or may not be made available in 
a header that is created by the local MTA, in which case Mailman 
could look at that.  But without support from your local MTA, there 
is no other way that Mailman could know that information.

 Are we really talking about the 'sender' mail header?
Some MTAs may encode that information in the "Sender:" header, yes.
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Non-members allowed to post!

[Brad Knowles]

At 8:04 AM -0800 2005-03-09, John W. Baxter wrote:
 One could configure most MTAs to reject mail from Gmane addressed to the
 list posting addresses (I also don't know how to do that with Postfix).
That's easy.  See 
.
 That might violate one's agreement with Gmane (I've never seen the
 agreement).
	Does any Mailman administrator have any agreement with Gmane, or 
is it just the users.

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[Mailman-Users] Re: Non-members allowed to post!

[David Gibbs]

Larry Stone wrote:
>>Sorry if this is a dumb question ... but what header indicates the
>>"envelope sender"?
> None. The "envelope sender" is the return address (MAIL FROM: command) in
> the dialogue between the upstream mail server and your mail server. 

Ok, so then there is no way for Mailman to know the envelope sender,
right?  Mailman can only look at the mail that is piped into it from the
MTA (sendmail in my case), so if the information isn't available on the
headers, Mailman can't be aware of it.

Are we really talking about the 'sender' mail header?

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Non-members allowed to post!

[Mark Sapiro]

John W. Baxter wrote:
>
>Whether the MTA adds a Return-Path: (or other) header is configurable in
>most MTAs...I don't know how to set up Postfix to add it to messages sent to
>the Mailman input CGI.

It doesn't seem that it should be "configurable". Quoting from RFC
2821, sec 4.4

 When the delivery SMTP server makes the "final delivery" of a message,
 it inserts a return-path line at the beginning of the mail data. This
 use of return-path is required; mail systems MUST support it. The
 return-path line preserves the information in the  from
 the MAIL command. Here, final delivery means the message has left the
 SMTP environment. Normally, this would mean it had been delivered to
 the destination user or an associated mail drop, but in some cases it
 may be further processed and transmitted by another mail system.


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Re: [Mailman-Users] mailman complaining about script permissions after running normally for a period...

[Ezra Taylor]

Something is changing the ownership of your files.  The previous 
responder is right,  a cron or logrotate is doing this.

Ezra
Brad Knowles wrote:
At 11:12 AM + 2005-03-04, it support wrote:
 I've tracked down the problem to the ownership of the files are 
changing.
 No longer are they being owned by mailman, but by root. I can fix the
 problem by resetting the ownership of the files to mailman and
 re-running check_perms -f to fix any stray permissions, but its
 frustrating for the list users who have to wait for this to be done.

There's nothing within Mailman that would cause this kind of 
behaviour.

 I've checked the cron scripts on the machine and can't see anything 
that
 would affect the files in that part of the file system.

I don't know anything about your OS.  I'd recommend you use the 
mailing lists, newsgroups, FAQs, etc... that are appropriate to what 
you're running.

I can tell you that the problem may be a logfile rotation script, 
or some other sort of cron job, or maybe it's being run indirectly -- 
some other cron job runs some other command which results in the kind 
of behaviour you're seeing.

 Has anyone else seen this problem and do they know the cause of it?

You could search the archives of the mailman-users mailing list, 
such as described at 
. 
I've heard of these kinds of problems before, but I don't know if they 
occurred on the same platform that you're running.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Non-members allowed to post!

[John W. Baxter]

On 3/8/2005 20:27, "Larry Stone" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On 3/8/05 8:45 PM, David Gibbs at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
>> Sorry if this is a dumb question ... but what header indicates the
>> "envelope sender"?
> 
> None. The "envelope sender" is the return address (MAIL FROM: command) in
> the dialogue between the upstream mail server and your mail server. Then,
> think of your mail server as being a very efficient clerk. It receives the
> mail, opens the envelope, puts what's in the envelope in your inbox, and
> throws away the envelope. Unfortunately by doing so, the envelope is no
> longer available to see. Just as the From: header in a message can be easily
> forged, so can the Envelope Sender.
> 
> Some (but not all) mail servers will added a pseudo-header before the real
> header that shows the envelope sender or an additional header with it. I run
> Postfix and I see it adds both the pseudo-header first (a From line with no
> colon after From) plus a Return-Path: header which also has the envelope
> sender in it. Looking at my mailman archives, the pseudo-From is there but
> not the Return-Path: header.

The "pseudo-From" is part of the mbox file format in which the raw messages
are accumulated for the archive.  The blank line in front of one of them
plus the From (no colon) line itself mark the start of a new message (so
does beginning of file being a From (no colon) line).  [That mechanism is
rather fragile...and is the reason you sometimes see message lines start
with ">From" rather than "From" in your mail stream...some overly protective
programs don't like any "F" at the start of a line.]

Whether the MTA adds a Return-Path: (or other) header is configurable in
most MTAs...I don't know how to set up Postfix to add it to messages sent to
the Mailman input CGI.

One could configure most MTAs to reject mail from Gmane addressed to the
list posting addresses (I also don't know how to do that with Postfix).
That might violate one's agreement with Gmane (I've never seen the
agreement).

  --John (who doesn't manage any Postfix servers, only Exim)

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Re: [Mailman-Users] false link to archives on listinfo/listname

[Mark Sapiro]

Markus Darges wrote:

>Thanks that works and yes its a public list. But the link/ more 
>information about this list /(on 
>'http://%(hostname)s/pipermail/%(listname)s') still points on the old 
>servers name. Any idea?


This link is built into the archive when it is created. Newly created
monthly index pages will have the correct link. You have to rebuild
the archive (see bin/arch --help) to fix the existing pages (or edit
them manually).

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Customizing archive

[Mark Sapiro]

Tobias C. Brown wrote:
>
>Is it possible to cusomize the Mailman archive html?

See
http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq04.048.htp
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Moderate Posts are not listed

[Jeremi Bergman]

OK, this didn't work.  I tried replacing the the request.pck with one 
that didn't have any mod requests.
I verified the requests are actually coming from the right server.

Any other thoughts?  Thanks!
Jeremi Bergman wrote:
Thanks.
I replaced it with another lists that was blank.  We'll see how that 
works.

Mark Sapiro wrote:
Jeremi Bergman wrote:
 

Every day I get an email that states I need to moderate two posts:
Pending posts:
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on Sun Oct 17 13:02:17 2004
Subject: Wells Fargo billing department: important information [Sun, 
17 Oct 2004 12:56:23 -0700]
Cause: Post by non-member to a members-only list

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on Sun Oct 17 14:38:49 2004
Subject: Wells Fargo billing department: important information [Sun, 
17 Oct 2004 12:56:23 -0700]
Cause: Post by non-member to a members-only list

But when I view the Admin Requests, I dont see these two.
Any thoughts?
  

Assuming that requests are otherwise working, my guess is the
lists//request.pck file is somehow corrupted. You could try
looking at it with bin/dumpdb. If there appear to be no requests you
want to keep such as pending subscriptions, you could just replace it
with an "empty" one from another list.
You could also try posting a message that you know will be held, say
one with implicit destination if you hold those, and see if the hold
process works normally for that one, and if maybe it "straightens out"
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[Mailman-Users] Re: Inconsistent post approval options

[David Abrahams]

David Abrahams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> Mark Sapiro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
>> Mark Sapiro wrote:
>>>
>>>However, both list membership and moderation are handled in the
>>>Moderate handler which normally comes before Hold in the pipeline, so
>>>presumably, the poster of this message is a list member and is not
>>>moderated if this list uses the default pipline.
>>
>> Except, as Brad correctly notes, this post looks like it came from a
>> non-member because the "Add to filters" and Ban options are shown as
>> opposed to the notation that the poster is a list member. Maybe the
>> list does use a non-default pipeline 
>
> I seriously doubt that.  DongInn, you didn't do anything funky with
> the Mailman filter pipeline, did you?

He has confirmed that it's the standard pipeline.

>> or maybe I'm missing something in the sequence of how these are
>> handled.
>
> I think we still have a mystery here, then.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Customizing archive

[Todd Slater]

On Tue, Mar 08, 2005 at 01:41:27PM -0500, Tobias C. Brown wrote:
> Hi, 
> 
> Is it possible to cusomize the Mailman archive html?

Yes. The question comes up frequently and the answers can be found by
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http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Moderator flag on a specific user

[Brad Knowles]

At 6:32 PM +0100 2005-03-08, Joakim Nomell wrote:
 Hi. I set the moderation flag on one of my users. The other users on
 the list are not moderated. But when the moderated user tries to send
 an email to the list, he gets the error message "Your message was
 rejected". No approval request is sent to the listowners/moderators.
 What's wrong?
	It sounds to me like you've configured the list to reject 
postings from users who are designated as "moderated".

	In the web administration interface for your list, go to "Privacy 
options...", then "Sender filters".  Look at the second item on the 
list, which has the description "Action to take when a moderated 
member posts to the  list. (Details for member_moderation_action)".

	I'd be willing to bet that you've set the list to "Reject" 
instead of "Hold".

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Localhost Issue

[Brad Knowles]

At 6:49 PM -0600 2005-03-08, Daniel Gutierrez wrote:
 Is my mailing list supposed to have the address [EMAIL PROTECTED]
	Yes.  See 
 
and 


 Please let me know. My Web Site provider couldn't seem to help me, I
 wasn't very pleased with that.
	Any time you have questions regarding the services they provide, 
you should always talk to your provider as the first step.  However, 
if you want to consider switching providers, see 
.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Searchable

[Brad Knowles]

At 10:17 PM -0500 2005-03-07, Adam wrote:
 Is there any way to make a mailman list archive keyword searchable
 across all dates?
	Go to the Mailman FAQ Wizard at 
 and search for 
"searchable".

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Searchable

[PA]

On Mar 08, 2005, at 04:17, Adam wrote:
Is there any way to make a mailman list archive keyword searchable 
across all dates?

As far as search goes, perhaps you might be interested by ZOË:
http://zoe.nu/
"Googling Your Email"
http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/a/network/2002/10/07/udell.html
Mandatory screenshots:
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Re: [Mailman-Users] trying mailing for the first time

[Brad Knowles]

At 9:55 PM +0100 2005-03-07, Information Service wrote:
 I am a new admin user of mailin and all the mails on my list 10 are
 keyed in by me.  I want to just test if it works.  I did all the
 settings and sent a message but it did not work.  What settings do
 I need to do just to send a simple email to the lists?
	Unfortunately, you haven't given us any useful information here. 
You haven't told us what kind of error messages you're seeing, you 
haven't shown us the relevant log entries, etc

	See 
 
and 
.

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[Mailman-Users] Weird Issues using Mailman

[Kyle McMartin]

Hi all,

I'm administrating a few lists with large numbers of subscribers (>700),
and for some reason, have been seeing weird behaviour from mailman.

We're using Debian testing, Mailman 2.1.5, and Postfix 2.1.5.

When attempting to send a message to one of these lists, I get crap
in the smtp-failure logs:

Mar 09 03:48:22 2005 (32326) delivery to @engsoc.org failed with code -1: 
Server not connected

The message seems to get through to about 20 of the recipients, before
it barfs like this.

Searching around for this message, I found the suggestion of using 
MTA='Postfix' and explicitly setting the mail server address in 
/etc/mailman/mm_cfg.py. Unfortunately, this does not seem to help and
the messages persist.

I've tried explicitly setting SMTP_MAX_SESSIONS_PER_CONNECTION on a hunch
but unfortunately that did not help either. :(

This is getting to be exceedingly irritating, so any help you can 
give is greatly appreciated.

Thanks in advance,
Kyle M.
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[Mailman-Users] Localhost Issue

[Daniel Gutierrez]

Is my mailing list supposed to have the address [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please let me 
know. My Web Site provider couldn't seem to help me, I wasn't very pleased with 
that.

Daniel
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[Mailman-Users] Customizing archive

[Tobias C. Brown]

Hi, 

Is it possible to cusomize the Mailman archive html?

Thanks,
Tobias Brown.
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[Mailman-Users] Moderator flag on a specific user

[Joakim Nomell]

Hi. I set the moderation flag on one of my users. The other users on the 
list are not moderated. But when the moderated user tries to send an email 
to the list, he gets the error message "Your message was rejected". No 
approval request is sent to the listowners/moderators. What's wrong?

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[Mailman-Users] Misinterpretation of Re : prefix

[Henri Brouchoud]

Hi, 

I have installed mailman 2.1.6b4 and have a problem with email
subscription. After sending a subscribe request to mylist-request, I try
to send the confirm email just by replying to the confirmation notice.
As mentionned in the email additionnal "Re: " prefix should be accepted.


Except for Outlook which set this subject prefix to "Re : " (note that
in this case the prefix contains two tokens). Outlook express and
Netscape put the rigt prefix "Re: ". After some tests, it seems that any
one-token prefix is accepted ("X" for instance). 
And this is my problem. I would like to modify the code to accept at
least both patterns ("Re : " and "Re: "), but I don't know where the
decoding of the subject is done. I guess it is a regexp ? 

As the suscribers of my list are attended to be very non software people
at all, I want absolutely to facilitate the subscription process and
that it works with any well known email software very easily. 

Could someone help me to fix that problem ? 

Thanks in advance 

Henri 


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[Mailman-Users] Searchable

[Adam]

Is there any way to make a mailman list archive keyword searchable 
across all dates?

Adam
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[Mailman-Users] trying mailing for the first time

[Information Service]

I am a new admin user of mailin and all the mails on my list 10 are keyed in by 
me.  I want to just test if it works.  I did all the settings and sent a 
message but it did not work.  What settings do I need to do just to send a 
simple email to the lists?  

Please help as I am getting desperate.
Thank you.

Norman
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Re: [Mailman-Users] false link to archives on listinfo/listname

[Markus Darges]

Mark Sapiro wrote:
Markus Darges wrote:
 

I changed DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST and DEFAULT_URL_HOST in mm_cfg.py. After 
that I used /bin/withlist -l -r fix_url listname -u newhostname to fix 
the links which works fine for the subscriber link on the 
listinfo/listname page but not for the link to the archives there. How 
can I fix it?
I use the rpm of mailman 2.1.5 on a fedora3 system.
   


I assume this is a public archive, since a private archive would not
depend on anything beyond what you've done.
Check to see if you've made any changes (in mm_cfg.py) to
PUBLIC_ARCHIVE_URL = 'http://%(hostname)s/pipermail/%(listname)s'
The 'hostname' in this URL comes from looking up the list's host_name
attribute in an inverted VIRTUAL_HOSTS dictionary. The host_name
attribute should be correct after 'fix_url', but if your VIRTUAL_HOSTS
dictionary is messed up or has the same 'email host' value for
multiple 'url host' keys, this could be a problem.
Following your redefinition of DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST and DEFAULT_URL_HOST
in mm_cfg.py, you should have
VIRTUAL_HOSTS.clear()
add_virtualhost(DEFAULT_URL_HOST, DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST)
followed by add_virtualhost() lines for other virtual hosts if any.
See http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq04.029.htp
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Thanks that works and yes its a public list. But the link/ more 
information about this list /(on 
'http://%(hostname)s/pipermail/%(listname)s') still points on the old 
servers name. Any idea?
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