Re: [Mailman-Users] Synchronizing listserv members via the web

[Mark Sapiro]

Jonathan Milam wrote:
>
>I wanted to know if it is possible to synchronize listserv members via the
>web, instead of using the list_members process?  If so, is there a FAQ that
>outlines this process?


I don't think there's documentation covering this per se. You would
have to do something like this.

To synchronize list-b with list-a - i.e., make the membership of list-b
equal to that of list-a, first obtain both membership lists via one of
the methods in FAQ 3.62
.
Then use diff or a similar tool to get lists of the adds and deletes
required and process those through list-b's mass subscription and mass
removal pages.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] get members list

[Mark Sapiro]

Ed wrote:
>
>what would be wrong with just the same layouts and:
>
>Option #1 = Continous List  (I think that it goes by alphabet???) = ONE page
>Option #2 = Alphabitized List = how ever many "lettered" folk are members (A, 
>D, M, W, Z = 5?)

Nothing. That's one idea and a perfectly valid one, but also see for
example
,
and

for other ideas.

Yet another possibility is to just allow setting admin_member_chunksize
via the web interface, maybe with a setting of '0' meaning all members
on one page.

See John's post in this thread at

for at some other ideas and some history.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] edit the mail body

[Mark Sapiro]

Fatcat wrote:
>
>I think I get the solution.
>I shout hit return 2 times.
>
>The output in the mail will be what I want :-)


This is a work around, but it shouldn't be necessary. I just subscribed
to your test list and I have received your last two test posts from
the list. I set my preferred language to english, and my footers are
not run together on one line, but they have some Taiwan characters

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> Test mailing list
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> ??http://ixp.comm.ccu.edu.tw/mailman/listinfo/test
> ??http://ixp.comm.ccu.edu.tw/mailman/options/Test

Above is single spaced from quote. below is double spaced

---

Test mailing list

[EMAIL PROTECTED]

??http://ixp.comm.ccu.edu.tw/mailman/listinfo/test

??http://ixp.comm.ccu.edu.tw/mailman/options/Test

Both of the above are from one test post. So is your subscriber
preferred language englist or taiwan? This may be part of the problem.


>But there is a question, The bottom of the mailman-user mail list
>There is auto embedded use's mail in the Unsubscribe
>What is the variable in the [Non-digest options] ??


You have to set

OWNERS_CAN_ENABLE_PERSONALIZATION = Yes

in mm_cfg.py. Then you will see the personalize option under Non-digest
options, and the 'details for personalize' link will explain the
additional 'personalized' substitutions.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] get members list

[Ed]

Mark, being a FIRM beleiver in K.I.S.S.,

<>

what would be wrong with just the same layouts and:

Option #1 = Continous List  (I think that it goes by alphabet???) = ONE page
Option #2 = Alphabitized List = how ever many "lettered" folk are members (A, 
D, M, W, Z = 5?)

??

I ADMIT not to knowing!!!  -:)

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Re: [Mailman-Users] edit the mail body

[Ed]

I know this might be a reach Fatcat & Mark, but could the ...tw address 
have something to do with it???

Both of Fatcat's note today have asked me to accept an install of Chinese 
Traditional!!  Which is what makes me ask?!?!?

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Re: [Mailman-Users] edit the mail body

[Fatcat]

Dear all

I think I get the solution.
I shout hit return 2 times.

The output in the mail will be what I want :-)

But there is a question, The bottom of the mailman-user mail list
There is auto embedded use's mail in the Unsubscribe
What is the variable in the [Non-digest options] ??

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Re: [Mailman-Users] edit the mail body

[Fatcat]

Mark Sapiro wrote:
> I do not think Mailman is doing this (running the lines together). When
> you receive a post from the mailman-users list, are the footer lines
>   
> etc. run together when you view them? If so, it is your MUA (email
> client) that is doing this. If not can you copy the raw message with
> all headers from a test post to your list and post that to
> mailman-users so we can see what it looks like?
My MUA is Thunderbird.
View the message body methid is original HTML

As the follows is copy from message source

In the last line mail address and url are all together

>From - Mon Apr 10 11:16:00 2006
X-Account-Key: account3
X-UIDL: U
Received: from ixp.comm.ccu.edu.tw (ixp.comm.ccu.edu.tw [140.123.113.57])
by comm.ccu.edu.tw (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id k3A3Fudu012108
for <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 11:15:56 +0800
Received: from ixp.comm.ccu.edu.tw (localhost [127.0.0.1])
by ixp.comm.ccu.edu.tw (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B94453D9A
for <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 11:16:10 +0800 (CST)
X-Original-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Delivered-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Received: from comm.ccu.edu.tw (comm.ccu.edu.tw [140.123.113.1])
by ixp.comm.ccu.edu.tw (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9840853D9A
for <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 11:16:08 +0800 (CST)
Received: from [127.0.0.1] (INSA-67.comm.ccu.edu.tw [140.123.113.67])
(authenticated bits=0)
by comm.ccu.edu.tw (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id k3A3Frdw012105
for <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 11:15:54 +0800
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 11:15:53 +0800
From: Fatcat <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5 (Windows/20051201)
MIME-Version: 1.0
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [Test] 324325423
X-BeenThere: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.7
Precedence: list
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
List-Id: 
List-Unsubscribe: ,

List-Archive: 
List-Post: 
List-Help: 
List-Subscribe: ,

Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
X-MIME-Autoconverted: from base64 to 8bit by comm.ccu.edu.tw id k3A3Fudu012108
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Re: [Mailman-Users] edit the mail body

[Mark Sapiro]

Fatcat wrote:
>>   
>In the Non-digest options, the msg_footer
>
>%(real_name)s mailing list
>%(real_name)[EMAIL PROTECTED](host_name)s
>%(web_page_url)slistinfo%(cgiext)s/%(_internal_name)s
>
>The output in the mail
>It cannot change line by hit 'return'.
>If I use return to separate the lines, the out still in one line
>
>any command to do this ?


I do not think Mailman is doing this (running the lines together). When
you receive a post from the mailman-users list, are the footer lines

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etc. run together when you view them? If so, it is your MUA (email
client) that is doing this. If not can you copy the raw message with
all headers from a test post to your list and post that to
mailman-users so we can see what it looks like?

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Re: [Mailman-Users] get members list

[Mark Sapiro]

Ed wrote:

><>
>
>Yep.  And actually said something like s/b easy.

Well, it is easy in principle, at least once it's decided what it
should look like, but i18n considerations make any new option more
difficult (for the translators). Anyway, it's not all that bleak
because 2.1.8rc1 is available now and the final is imminent, and after
that, we'll be concentrating on features for 2.2.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] edit the mail body

[Fatcat]

Mark Sapiro wrote:

> > Fatcat wrote:
> >   
> >
> > The template for the above footer is on the list admin Non-digest
> > options page and is called msg_footer. The default footer is four
> > lines as follows:
> >
> > ___
> > %(real_name)s mailing list
> > %(real_name)[EMAIL PROTECTED](host_name)s
> > %(web_page_url)slistinfo%(cgiext)s/%(_internal_name)s
> >
> >
> > It looks like you are getting this information, but possibly your MUA
> > is running everything together and changing the list posting address
> > to a mailto: link.
> >
> > What does the footer look like in messages you receive from this
> > (mailman-users) list? (It's not the default footer, but the first 4
> > lines are similar.)
> >
> >   
>   
In the Non-digest options, the msg_footer

%(real_name)s mailing list
%(real_name)[EMAIL PROTECTED](host_name)s
%(web_page_url)slistinfo%(cgiext)s/%(_internal_name)s

The output in the mail
It cannot change line by hit 'return'.
If I use return to separate the lines, the out still in one line

any command to do this ?

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Re: [Mailman-Users] get members list

[Ed]

<>

Yep.  And actually said something like s/b easy.

<>

Rats!!

Now I currently have seven Lists goings and it IS a REAL PITA to have to sift 
thru A the B then C then D, the.etc.!!

I really can't understand why it would be so difficult to "offer" the "option" 
for Administrator "options" within the Web Interface.  'Course that would also 
be the reason I can't offer something -;) !!

And as of ONE minute ago I can actually offer a reason why a "scroll" page 
would be WAY handy for a Non-Shell "administrator" like me. 

A nitwit (aren't they all) List member writes me direct and says "Please 
un-subscribe me.."!

In this gents case I KNOW of SIX, repeat SIX e-mails accounts he uses.  Do I 
know the very FIRST letter of the account he uses for his subscription??  No.  
So I have to go thru entire ALPHABET  [page per letter at a time] to find it 
instead of just being able to scroll down a 60 member page.
 
Which would you rather do???

Don't bother to answer because of your WONDERFUL replies to this List, mine is 
NOT worthy!!!  Actually, serious, Mark.

Thanks for ALL your wonderful and difficult work!!!

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Re: [Mailman-Users] "Other subscriptions" page is not showingsubscriptions for one particular list

[Mark Sapiro]

Reinhold Kainhofer wrote:
>
>Any ideas what might be the problem?
>Are there any "hidden" settings (not available in the web UI), which causes 
>the lists to appear disconnected (although the name and email are identical)?

The 'hidden' setting is the list's web_page_url attribute. This is set
at list creation time by interpolating the create web domain into
DEFAULT_URL_PATTERN.

BUT, this setting is not what determines whether or not a list appears
in the user's "list my subscriptions" list. It is the list's visible
host_name attribute that determines this.

You say all the lists use exactly the same hostname. Do you mean the
host_name attribute on the General Options page? Your symptom would be
explained if the proscientia- lists all have one host_name
and the proscientia list has another (perhaps differing only in case)
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Re: [Mailman-Users] get members list

[Mark Sapiro]

Daniel Carvalho wrote:
>
>the scripts didn't work - they always return empty lists... Maybe it's a
>problem with the python instalation iin my computer.


What version of Python do you have? Do the scripts issue any error?
Note that if you mistype either the list name or the list password,
you will get no output and no error message.

If your Python version is pre 2.4, you need to install ClientCookie as
mentioned in the 'help'.


>I will find the way to increase the chunks and do the parsing myself.


To increase the chunksize, you need to change the list's
admin_member_chunksize attribute, but since this isn't a web interface
setting, if you could do it (with withlist or config_list), you could
also run bin/list_members and you wouldn't have the need.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] edit the mail body

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Fatcat wrote:
>
>I get the mail forward by mailman
>the mail body as follow
>
>test mail list
>___Test mailing
>[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>://invo.idv.tw/mailman/listinfo/test
>
>
>
>the maillist address and the url of mail list are together
>
>May I change the mail format ???

The template for the above footer is on the list admin Non-digest
options page and is called msg_footer. The default footer is four
lines as follows:

___
%(real_name)s mailing list
%(real_name)[EMAIL PROTECTED](host_name)s
%(web_page_url)slistinfo%(cgiext)s/%(_internal_name)s


It looks like you are getting this information, but possibly your MUA
is running everything together and changing the list posting address
to a mailto: link.

What does the footer look like in messages you receive from this
(mailman-users) list? (It's not the default footer, but the first 4
lines are similar.)

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Re: [Mailman-Users] get members list

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Ed wrote:
>
>Reason I KNOW is that I have asked exactly them same question to which Mark
>S. hinted would be in 2.1.8..


Did I? I hope not, because it won't be. Possibly 2.2, but no promises.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] all posted messages discarded by incomingrunner

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Jesse Sanford wrote:
>
>Since I can't teach everyone regular expressions,
>I figure I'll set header_filter_rules=\[SPAM\]
>myself and then block the display of that whole
>configuration option.  I know I've seen the instructions
>for that around here somewhere .

You can easily block display of the whole Privacy options... section
from the admin interface, but that's probably not what you want.

In case I'm wrong, you can do that by finding the ADMIN_CATEGORIES
definition in Defaults.py and copying to mm_cfg.py and then deleting
"'privacy', " from the mm_cfg.py copy.

To just block the Spam filters subsection or header_filter_rules from
appearing, you have to modify the code in Mailman/Gui/Privacy.py.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] large list = very slow network

[Mark Sapiro]

John Meier wrote:
>
>I've been reading up on performance tweaking in the mailman FAQ and was
>wondering where I should concentrate my efforts to avoid the listserver
>saturating my line.  I'm thinking a local dns cache on the box would be
>good, but have seen anything that directly addresses how to "slow" the
>system down
> to avoid cramming the network.


See

for a little info. There's essentially nothing you can do in Mailman
without hacking the code.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Cc to the list?

[Mark Sapiro]

Andre Tann wrote:
>
>I'm running Mailman with the option VERP personalisation turned on. 


I think you mean "full personalization" which is actually independent
of VERP.

 
>This results in mails being generated look like this:
>
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]


By design. Full personalization puts the recipient in the To: header
and the list in Cc: to facilitate replying to the list (with
reply-all).


>How can I get rid of the Cc-line? The problem about this is that 
>mail clients like kmail reply to the list instead of the author 
>mentioned in the From-line, even though I have set 
>reply_goes_to_list to "sender".


If you want to hack Mailman to accommodate this apparently broken MUA,
look at the code in Mailman/Handlers/Cookheaders.py introduced by the
following comments.

  # The To field normally contains the list posting address.  However
  # when messages are fully personalized, that header will get
  # overwritten with the address of the recipient.  We need to get the
  # posting address in one of the recipient headers or they won't be
  # able to reply back to the list.  It's possible the posting address
  # was munged into the Reply-To header, but if not, we'll add it to a
  # Cc header.  BAW: should we force it into a Reply-To header in the
  # above code?
  # Also skip Cc if this is an anonymous list as list posting address
  # is already in From and Reply-To in this case.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Description text not appearing in "To:" header?

[Mark Sapiro]

Mike Brudenell wrote:
>
>Things have been going very well, except I've just noticed that messages 
>I'm sending out to my test list are coming through with the header:
>
>  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]


Because that's how you addressed the message you sent.



>However given I had set the list's 'Description' setting to "A test list" I 
>was instead expecting it to be:
>
>To: A test list <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>


If the list is anonymous, that's what the From: header will look like,
but Mailman doesn't change the To: header unless the list is fully
personalized in which case, the To: becomes the message recipient, not
the list.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] mailman + ensim

[Mark Sapiro]

Thomas wrote:

>When I go to domain.com/mailman/admin/listhere or any
>other page I get the standard 500 error.

What standard 500 error? What does the web server log say about this
error. Is the web server properly configured to execute the cgi-bin/
wrappers for domain.com/mailman/* URLs? Is there a group mismatch
error?

See  and


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Re: [Mailman-Users] special characters on mail mass subscription

[Mark Sapiro]

daniel trejowrote:
>
>sorry, I mean the character is in the address, for example:
>[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>mass subscription sends me a hostile character error

That's right. Mailman does not accept any e-mail address containing
spaces or any of the characters

][()<>|;^,\000-\037\177-\377

(older Mailman versions were a little looser about this). Note that
while some of those characters are allowable in local parts, they have
to be properly quoted to be standards compliant, e.g.,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] or "apiñeyro"@mail.com, but Mailman won't accept
them anyway.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] archiving partial duplicates

[Mark Sapiro]

Patrick Bogen wrote:
>
>Bash can do this for you:
>
>#!/bin/bash
>bin/arch --wipe

>
>...Assuming that bin/arch --wipe alone does what I think it does.

It needs to be

bin/arch --wipe listname /dev/null

listname is always required. The next argument is the .mbox file which
defaults to the archives/private/listname.mbox/listname.mbox file if
ommitted.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] archiving partial duplicates

[Mark Sapiro]

Con Wieland wrote:
>
>When I checked the archives for the  
>current month a number of partial messages showed up with no from  
>line and no date.
>
>Any idea's on what to look for would be appreciated.


Look for messages containing unescaped "From " lines in the body.

The bin/cleanarch script can help with fixing a .mbox file that
contains these.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] You don't have permission to access /mailman/listinfo/ on this server

[Larry Rosenman]

On Apr 9, 2006, at 12:01 PM, Noah wrote:

> On Sun, 9 Apr 2006 11:26:23 -0500, Larry Rosenman wrote
>> On Apr 9, 2006, at 10:56 AM, Noah wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi folks,
>>>
>>> Okay I just upgraded to the latest apache 2.2.0 and using the same
>>> configuration files as I had for apache1.3 but I am finding there  
>>> are
>>> permission errors when going to my mailman listinfo directories.
>>>
>>> any clues what I need to check here?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> what else could be wrong here?
>>
>> There is a deny from all very high up in the configuration.
>>
>> You might need to add a allow statement in the  block.
>
>
>
> is there a good apache tutorial that explains how the   
> blocks
> should be structured?

I'd look at the existing configuration.

I'd add a
 order allow,deny
 allow from all

in the mailman/cgi-bin  block.



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Re: [Mailman-Users] You don't have permission to access /mailman/listinfo/ on this server

[Noah]

On Sun, 9 Apr 2006 11:26:23 -0500, Larry Rosenman wrote
> On Apr 9, 2006, at 10:56 AM, Noah wrote:
> 
> >
> >
> > Hi folks,
> >
> > Okay I just upgraded to the latest apache 2.2.0 and using the same
> > configuration files as I had for apache1.3 but I am finding there are
> > permission errors when going to my mailman listinfo directories.
> >
> > any clues what I need to check here?
> >
> >
> >
> > what else could be wrong here?
> 
> There is a deny from all very high up in the configuration.
> 
> You might need to add a allow statement in the  block.



is there a good apache tutorial that explains how the  blocks
should be structured?

cheers,

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Re: [Mailman-Users] You don't have permission to access /mailman/listinfo/ on this server

[Larry Rosenman]

On Apr 9, 2006, at 10:56 AM, Noah wrote:

>
>
> Hi folks,
>
> Okay I just upgraded to the latest apache 2.2.0 and using the same
> configuration files as I had for apache1.3 but I am finding there are
> permission errors when going to my mailman listinfo directories.
>
> any clues what I need to check here?
>
>
>
> what else could be wrong here?

There is a deny from all very high up in the configuration.

You might need to add a allow statement in the  block.



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[Mailman-Users] edit the mail body

[Fatcat]

Dear all

I get the mail forward by mailman
the mail body as follow

test mail list
___Test mailing
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
://invo.idv.tw/mailman/listinfo/test



the maillist address and the url of mail list are together

May I change the mail format ???

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[Mailman-Users] You don't have permission to access /mailman/listinfo/ on this server

[Noah]

Hi folks,

Okay I just upgraded to the latest apache 2.2.0 and using the same
configuration files as I had for apache1.3 but I am finding there are
permission errors when going to my mailman listinfo directories.

any clues what I need to check here?

 actual error message 

Forbidden

You don't have permission to access /mailman/listinfo/ on this server.
Apache/2.2.0 (FreeBSD) mod_ssl/2.2.0 OpenSSL/0.9.8a DAV/2 PHP/4.4.2 Server at
checkit.domain.com Port 80

 snip ---

Mailman tells me the permissions are fine.

 snip ---

hostname# pwd
/usr/local/mailman/bin
hostname# ./check_perms 
No problems found

 snip 


ExecCGI is in the permissions for the mailman /cgi-bin

--- snip ---


Options FollowSymLinks ExecCGI


--- snip --- 


what else could be wrong here?

cheer,s

Noah

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Re: [Mailman-Users] get members list

[Daniel Carvalho]

Dan Phillips wrote:

> On Apr 8, 2006, at 5:34 PM, Daniel Carvalho wrote:
>
>> I would like to know that because i need to write a program to  retrieve
>> the members list, and i think the best way is to access the site with
>> http and parse the result. It would be far more simple if it were
>> everything in a single page... By the way, is there a program 
>> available,
>> that does what i need?
>
>
> See http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq03.062.htp
>
> A search through the FAQ and this list's archives will also turn up 
> in instrucitons on increasing the size of the chunks in the web 
> interface.
>
> Dan
>

(I hadn't saw that faq! Only a small faq, which is also mentioned in the
Mailman website.)

the scripts didn't work - they always return empty lists... Maybe it's a
problem with the python instalation iin my computer.

I will find the way to increase the chunks and do the parsing myself.

It would be wonderful if there were a webservice interface, as John
suggested. It would be easy to integrate mailman with other applications.

thanks

daniel


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