Re: [Mailman-Users] external web interface

2006-10-19 Thread BRAVAL François
Hi again

I will use the first solution for the moment as I want 2 web servers: an 
internal one and one in our dmz for testing purpose.
The VIRTUAL_HOST_OVERVIEW = Off setting works great and I got no longer a 'bug' 
error on list creation.
I keep the second way in mind for future usage
Continue testing...

Thx mark
 

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 De : Mark Sapiro [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 Envoyé : mercredi 18 octobre 2006 19:40
 À : BRAVAL François; mailman-users@python.org
 Objet : Re: [Mailman-Users] external web interface
 
 Mark Sapiro wrote:
 
 BRAVAL François wrote:
  
 -add to mm_cfg.py : 
   DEFAULT_URL_HOST ='machine2.mydomain.com'
   add_virtualhost('machine2.mydomain.com','machine1.mydomain.com')
 
 
 This has to do with the problem - see below.
 
 snip
 
 Setting DEFAULT_URL_HOST and add_virtual_host in mm_cfg.py 
 won't affect
 this. What you need in mm_cfg.py is
 
 VIRTUAL_HOST_OVERVIEW = Off
 
 so all lists will appear on all domain's overview pages.
 
 
 Actually, if you want to access the web interface only from machine2,
 the above DEFAULT_URL_HOST and add_virtual_host settings are what you
 want, and you don't need VIRTUAL_HOST_OVERVIEW = Off, but you also
 need to run fix_url to update the existing lists' web_page_url as
 explained in
 http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showfile=faq04.
069.htp.
 
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman-Users Digest, Vol 32, Issue 43

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Re: [Mailman-Users] external web interface

2006-10-19 Thread BRAVAL François
Err.. No

In fact, it doesn't seem to work.
The URL is machine2.domain.com but the title of the page is machine1.domain.com
When I create a new list, it uses the machine1.domain.com domain 

If I remove the VIRTUAL_HOST_OVERVIEW = Off and set the DEFAULT_URL_HOST to 
machine2.domain.com. I get a 'bug' error.

See my error log.

Oct 19 13:32:48 2006 (10276) command failed: /usr/sbin/postalias 
/usr/local/mailman/data/aliases (status: 127, Unknown error 127)
Oct 19 13:32:48 2006 admin(10276):  
admin(10276): [- Mailman Version: 2.1.9 -] 
admin(10276): [- Traceback --] 
admin(10276): Traceback (most recent call last):
admin(10276):   File /usr/local/mailman/scripts/driver, line 101, in run_main
admin(10276): main()
admin(10276):   File /usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/create.py, line 56, in 
main
admin(10276): process_request(doc, cgidata)
admin(10276):   File /usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/create.py, line 238, in 
process_request
admin(10276): sys.modules[modname].create(mlist, cgi=1)
admin(10276):   File /usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MTA/Postfix.py, line 232, in 
create
admin(10276): _update_maps()
admin(10276):   File /usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MTA/Postfix.py, line 53, in 
_update_maps
admin(10276): raise RuntimeError, msg % (acmd, status, errstr)
admin(10276): RuntimeError: command failed: /usr/sbin/postalias 
/usr/local/mailman/data/aliases (status: 127, Unknown error 127)
admin(10276): [- Python Information -] 
admin(10276): sys.version =   2.4.1 (#1, May 16 2005, 15:19:29) 
[GCC 4.0.0 20050512 (Red Hat 4.0.0-5)] 
admin(10276): sys.executable  =   /usr/bin/python 
admin(10276): sys.prefix  =   /usr 
admin(10276): sys.exec_prefix =   /usr 
admin(10276): sys.path=   /usr 
admin(10276): sys.platform=   linux2 
admin(10276): [- Environment Variables -] 
admin(10276):   HTTP_COOKIE: 
test3+admin=28020069d40f364573280031373330346536393039363237623233393263616130383239646231353366643932383335656338;
 
test+admin=280200695bcb364573280066306166346133613861626464656366333133666162353636393864393733383731383335356535
 
admin(10276):   SERVER_SOFTWARE: Apache/2.0.54 (Fedora) 
admin(10276):   SCRIPT_NAME: /mailman/create 
admin(10276):   SERVER_SIGNATURE: addressApache/2.0.54 (Fedora) Server at 
machine2.domain.fr Port 80/address
admin(10276): 
admin(10276):   REQUEST_METHOD: POST 
admin(10276):   HTTP_KEEP_ALIVE: 300 
admin(10276):   SERVER_PROTOCOL: HTTP/1.1 
admin(10276):   QUERY_STRING:  
admin(10276):   CONTENT_LENGTH: 151 
admin(10276):   HTTP_ACCEPT_CHARSET: ISO-8859-1,utf-8;q=0.7,*;q=0.7 
admin(10276):   HTTP_USER_AGENT: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; fr; 
rv:1.8.0.7) Gecko/20060909 Firefox/1.5.0.7 
admin(10276):   HTTP_CONNECTION: keep-alive 
admin(10276):   HTTP_REFERER: http://machine2.domain.fr  
admin(10276):   SERVER_NAME: machine2.domain.fr 
admin(10276):   REMOTE_ADDR: 194.xx.xxx.11 
admin(10276):   SERVER_PORT: 80 
admin(10276):   SERVER_ADDR: 194.xx.xxx.157 
admin(10276):   DOCUMENT_ROOT: /var/www/html 
admin(10276):   PYTHONPATH: /usr/local/mailman 
admin(10276):   SCRIPT_FILENAME: /usr/local/mailman/cgi-bin/create 
admin(10276):   SERVER_ADMIN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
admin(10276):   HTTP_HOST: machine2.domain.fr 
admin(10276):   REQUEST_URI: /mailman/create 
admin(10276):   HTTP_ACCEPT: 
text/xml,application/xml,application/xhtml+xml,text/html;q=0.9,text/plain;q=0.8,image/png,*/*;q=0.5
 
admin(10276):   GATEWAY_INTERFACE: CGI/1.1 
admin(10276):   REMOTE_PORT: 1315 
admin(10276):   HTTP_ACCEPT_LANGUAGE: fr,fr-fr;q=0.8,en-us;q=0.5,en;q=0.3 
admin(10276):   CONTENT_TYPE: application/x-www-form-urlencoded 
admin(10276):   HTTP_ACCEPT_ENCODING: gzip,deflate 








 -Message d'origine-
 De : 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
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on.org] De la part de BRAVAL François
 Envoyé : jeudi 19 octobre 2006 10:20
 À : Mark Sapiro; mailman-users@python.org
 Objet : Re: [Mailman-Users] external web interface
 
 Hi again
 
 I will use the first solution for the moment as I want 2 web 
 servers: an internal one and one in our dmz for testing purpose.
 The VIRTUAL_HOST_OVERVIEW = Off setting works great and I got 
 no longer a 'bug' error on list creation.
 I keep the second way in mind for future usage
 Continue testing...
 
 Thx mark
  
 
  -Message d'origine-
  De : Mark Sapiro [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  Envoyé : mercredi 18 octobre 2006 19:40
  À : BRAVAL François; mailman-users@python.org
  Objet : Re: [Mailman-Users] external web interface
  
  Mark Sapiro wrote:
  
  BRAVAL François wrote:
   
  -add to mm_cfg.py : 
 ='machine2.mydomain.com'
add_virtualhost('machine2.mydomain.com','machine1.mydomain.com')
  
  
  This has to do with the problem - see below.
  
  snip
  
  Setting DEFAULT_URL_HOST and add_virtual_host in mm_cfg.py 
  won't affect
  this. What you need in mm_cfg.py is
  
  VIRTUAL_HOST_OVERVIEW = Off
  
  so all lists will 

[Mailman-Users] Outgoing Lists

2006-10-19 Thread Roman Hultay
How would one go about changing the To: field in received mailings?

i.e. it currently says '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' but is it possible for it
to say the recipient? This would mean that each message is different for
each recipient atleast in the header.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] external web interface

2006-10-19 Thread Mark Sapiro
BRAVAL François wrote:

If I remove the VIRTUAL_HOST_OVERVIEW = Off and set the
DEFAULT_URL_HOST to machine2.domain.com. I get a 'bug' error.

See my error log.

Oct 19 13:32:48 2006 (10276) command failed: /usr/sbin/postalias 
/usr/local/mailman/data/aliases (status: 127, Unknown error 127)
Oct 19 13:32:48 2006 admin(10276): 
admin(10276): [- Mailman Version: 2.1.9 -]
admin(10276): [- Traceback --]
admin(10276): Traceback (most recent call last):
admin(10276):   File /usr/local/mailman/scripts/driver, line 101, in run_main
admin(10276): main()
admin(10276):   File /usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/create.py, line 56, in 
main
admin(10276): process_request(doc, cgidata)
admin(10276):   File /usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/create.py, line 238, in 
process_request
admin(10276): sys.modules[modname].create(mlist, cgi=1)
admin(10276):   File /usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MTA/Postfix.py, line 232, in 
create
admin(10276): _update_maps()
admin(10276):   File /usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MTA/Postfix.py, line 53, in 
_update_maps
admin(10276): raise RuntimeError, msg % (acmd, status, errstr)
admin(10276): RuntimeError: command failed: /usr/sbin/postalias =
/usr/local/mailman/data/aliases (status: 127, Unknown error 127)

This issue should have nothing to do with the settings of
VIRTUAL_HOST_OVERVIEW and DEFAULT_URL_HOST in mm_cfg.py.

The list has been created and the data/aliases and, if the host is in
POSTFIX_STYLE_VIRTUAL_DOMAINS, the data/virtual-mailman files have
been updated, and now the Postfix MTA module is calling
/usr/sbin/postalias to update the data/aliases.db file, and the
postalias command fails.

Assuming /usr/sbin/postalias is the correct path (if not, set it in
mm_cfg.py with POSTFIX_ALIAS_CMD), this is almost certainly an
ownership/permissions issue.

Permissions should be at least 0660 on both the aliases and aliases.db
files and the owner:group should be the mailman user:group. In older
versions, bin/check_perms doesn't check all this.

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[Mailman-Users] What is them max subject length?

2006-10-19 Thread Nathaniel Nolet
Hello Mailman Users,

I recently rolled out a new mailserver and decided to use Mailman as  
the mailing list software.  Everything has been going smoothly except  
for one minor issue: it looks like sometimes a subject is too long  
and gets turned into (No Subject), while the real subject becomes  
the first line of the email.  I'd like to either change this setting  
or let my end users know how long is too long, but I can't find the  
max subject length documented anywhere, nor did it jump out at me on  
the web interface.

I'm sure it's documented somewhere, but after checking the FAQ, the  
Wiki, Google and The Fine Manuals I'm stumped.  Could someone point  
me in the right direction?  Or does Mailman not do this at all and I  
should look into that user's email client?

Thanks,
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Outgoing Lists

2006-10-19 Thread Mark Sapiro
Roman Hultay wrote:

How would one go about changing the To: field in received mailings?

i.e. it currently says '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' but is it possible for it
to say the recipient? This would mean that each message is different for
each recipient atleast in the header.


This is called Full personalization, and it is one of the settings
under Non-digest options if the installation is set so owners can
enable list personalization. I.e.,

OWNERS_CAN_ENABLE_PERSONALIZATION = Yes

in mm_cfg.py. See
http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showfile=faq03.015.htp.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] What is them max subject length?

2006-10-19 Thread Mark Sapiro
Nathaniel Nolet wrote:

it looks like sometimes a subject is too long  
and gets turned into (No Subject), while the real subject becomes  
the first line of the email.  I'd like to either change this setting  
or let my end users know how long is too long, but I can't find the  
max subject length documented anywhere, nor did it jump out at me on  
the web interface.

I'm sure it's documented somewhere, but after checking the FAQ, the  
Wiki, Google and The Fine Manuals I'm stumped.  Could someone point  
me in the right direction?  Or does Mailman not do this at all and I  
should look into that user's email client?


There is no setting per se, nor is there any limit on Subject: length
per se. Mailman does manipulate Subject: headers in the process of
adding the subject_prefix if any. This may result in a subject which
is originally a single line being folded into multiple lines in accord
with RFC 2822, but all Subject: headers sent by Mailman should conform
to the RFC.

Look at the raw message as sent by Mailman. If the Subject: header is
not compliant with RFC 2822, then report that here. Otherwise, look at
the user's MUA (email client).

Note that if this only affects one or a few recipients of the message
but not all recipients, it is almost certainly a user's MUA issue.

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[Mailman-Users] can't get mailman and exim4 talking on my debian 3.1

2006-10-19 Thread Dr. Scott S. Jones
For some reason, after a recent nightmare with a hosed partition table, my
system which had a working Mailman 2.1.5 version on it, now refuses to
connect to exim4 and get my mail out to my lists. 

Here's a snippted from /var/log/mailman/smtp-failure. I have no idea what
these things mean but hoping someone here can help: 

Oct 19 11:36:12 2006 (2493) Low level smtp error: (110, 'Connection timed
out'), msgid: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Oct 19 11:36:12 2006 (2493) delivery to [EMAIL PROTECTED] failed with code
-1: (110, 'Connection timed out')
Oct 19 11:39:21 2006 (2493) Low level smtp error: (110, 'Connection timed
out'), msgid: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Oct 19 11:39:22 2006 (2493) delivery to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
failed with code -1: (110, 'Connection timed out')
Oct 19 11:40:54 2006 (2493) Low level smtp error: (4, 'Interrupted system
call'), msgid: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Oct 19 11:40:55 2006 (2493) delivery to [EMAIL PROTECTED] failed with code
-1: (4, 'Interrupted system call')
Oct 19 11:44:16 2006 (5556) Low level smtp error: (110, 'Connection timed
out'), msgid: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Oct 19 11:44:16 2006 (5556) delivery to [EMAIL PROTECTED] failed with code
-1: (110, 'Connection timed out')
Oct 19 11:47:26 2006 (5556) Low level smtp error: (110, 'Connection timed
out'), msgid: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Oct 19 11:47:26 2006 (5556) delivery to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
failed with code -1: (110, 'Connection timed out')

When I revived my system, I couldn't get mailman to even respond until I
changed my exim4.conf.template file to exim4.conf.template.new, replacing it
with my older exim4.conf.template file. The .new file which apparently was
created during an apt-get update pass, contained NO INFORMATION ABOUT
MAILMAN, while the old exim4.conf.template file had all my Mailman
references. 

I am reading the [EMAIL PROTECTED]@%^$%*ing manual, for those who would urge 
the RTFM
invective upon me. As yet, I can find no answers to help resolve this. It
would be nice if there were some probe utility that would verify everything
that needs to be in place, for mailman to work on a debian system. 

Thanks for any suggestions with this. 

btw, if I send to one of my lists, I get no response at any included list
recipient addresses though the message shows up in the archives for the list
as if it had gone out. Correction, the archives of all my lists work, i.e.,
thy collect mail sent out to each list, though none of the mail sent reaches
any recipient. 

Scott



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Re: [Mailman-Users] can't get mailman and exim4 talking on my debian 3.1

2006-10-19 Thread Mark Sapiro
Dr. Scott S. Jones wrote:

For some reason, after a recent nightmare with a hosed partition table, my
system which had a working Mailman 2.1.5 version on it, now refuses to
connect to exim4 and get my mail out to my lists.

Here's a snippted from /var/log/mailman/smtp-failure. I have no idea what
these things mean but hoping someone here can help:

Oct 19 11:36:12 2006 (2493) Low level smtp error: (110, 'Connection timed
out'), msgid: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Oct 19 11:36:12 2006 (2493) delivery to [EMAIL PROTECTED] failed with code
-1: (110, 'Connection timed out')
Oct 19 11:39:21 2006 (2493) Low level smtp error: (110, 'Connection timed
out'), msgid: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Oct 19 11:39:22 2006 (2493) delivery to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
failed with code -1: (110, 'Connection timed out')
Oct 19 11:40:54 2006 (2493) Low level smtp error: (4, 'Interrupted system
call'), msgid: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Oct 19 11:40:55 2006 (2493) delivery to [EMAIL PROTECTED] failed with code
-1: (4, 'Interrupted system call')
Oct 19 11:44:16 2006 (5556) Low level smtp error: (110, 'Connection timed
out'), msgid: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Oct 19 11:44:16 2006 (5556) delivery to [EMAIL PROTECTED] failed with code
-1: (110, 'Connection timed out')
Oct 19 11:47:26 2006 (5556) Low level smtp error: (110, 'Connection timed
out'), msgid: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Oct 19 11:47:26 2006 (5556) delivery to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
failed with code -1: (110, 'Connection timed out')


See
http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showfile=faq04.073.htp.


When I revived my system, I couldn't get mailman to even respond until I
changed my exim4.conf.template file to exim4.conf.template.new, replacing it
with my older exim4.conf.template file. The .new file which apparently was
created during an apt-get update pass, contained NO INFORMATION ABOUT
MAILMAN, while the old exim4.conf.template file had all my Mailman
references.


Almost all if not absolutely all Mailman specific stuff in exim.conf
has to do with delivery of incoming mail to Mailman, not with Mailman
sending.

Is Exim listening and accepting connects on localhost port 25?

Can you successfully 'telnet localhost 25'?


It
would be nice if there were some probe utility that would verify everything
that needs to be in place, for mailman to work on a debian system.


That request/remark would be more appropriate on a Debian support list.


btw, if I send to one of my lists, I get no response at any included list
recipient addresses though the message shows up in the archives for the list
as if it had gone out. Correction, the archives of all my lists work, i.e.,
thy collect mail sent out to each list, though none of the mail sent reaches
any recipient.


So incoming mail is reaching Mailman (presumably through the Mailman
spesific router and transport in Exim) and being processed by Mailman
whish is unable to send to the list members because of the errors
logged in smtp-failure. This basically says everything is working
except SMTP delivery from Mailman to Exim.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Auto-deleting mail from outside .no?

2006-10-19 Thread John W. Baxter
On 10/17/06 9:00 AM, Thomas Gramstad [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I have many small lists in Norwegian and they're all being
 hit by a lot of spam. Yes, the spam filter holds them back --
 but then I get a /lot/ of mail about new messages waiting,
 and it's a big job moderating them.
 
 What I really want is the option to set that anything mailed from
 an address that does not end with .no is automatically deleted and
 I never see it. Is that possible, per list or even per domain/for
 all lists?


As has been said, the MTA is likely the better venue for doing this, as SMTP
5xx rejections can be arranged.

That aside, are there *no* .com, .org, .edu etc within Norway (without the
trailing .no), which contain potential list subscribers?

For example, no one at hydro.com would want to be a list member.  (Domain
obtained on my first attempt, a Google search for Norsk Hydro.)

  --John


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[Mailman-Users] Mailman performance

2006-10-19 Thread Blatter, Nicholas
Hello,

I'm using Mailman 2.1.5 and Postfix to manage a small (~500) member list
and I recently went through and removed everyone from the list, and then
added them back in. After doing so I was watching the progress of
sending the Welcome message, and noticed that Mailman is taking an
exceptionally long time to send the messages out.

It looks like the messages are getting stuck in the qfiles/out
directory, and the smtp log shows many of the following entries:

Oct 19 17:30:12 2006 (2411) [EMAIL PROTECTED]
smtp for 1 recips, completed in 80.170 seconds

Every message is taking almost exactly 80.1 seconds, with no derivation.
Postfix's mailq is empty, and all other mail is getting through just
fine.

Anyone have any suggestions?  Why is it taking so long for it to send
each message?

Thanks!
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman performance

2006-10-19 Thread Mark Sapiro
Blatter, Nicholas wrote:

Every message is taking almost exactly 80.1 seconds, with no derivation.
Postfix's mailq is empty, and all other mail is getting through just
fine.

Anyone have any suggestions?  Why is it taking so long for it to send
each message?


Because it takes Postfix that long to respond to something. The answer
is in Postfix, not in Mailman.

Search the FAQ http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py for
performance. There may also be some clues in the archives of this list.

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