[Mailman-Users] Hi, how to re-configure mailman to mail-gid ...

2007-03-12 Thread TRON478
hi,

how can i re-configure mailman with the option --with-mail-gid=mailman 
or changing postifx to execute the mailman script with user mailman. thank
you

ERROR-MESSAGE:

[EMAIL PROTECTED]: Command died with status 2:
   /usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman post test. Command output: Group
mismatch
   error.  Mailman expected the mail wrapper script to be executed as group
   mailman, but the system's mail server executed the mail script as group
   nobody.  Try tweaking the mail server to run the script as group
   mailman, or re-run configure,  providing the command line option
   `--with-mail-gid=nobody'.

Final-Recipient: rfc822; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Original-Recipient: rfc822;[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Action: failed
Status: 5.3.0
Diagnostic-Code: x-unix; Group mismatch error.  Mailman expected the mail
   wrapper script to be executed as group mailman, but the system's mail
   server executed the mail script as group nobody.  Try tweaking the mail
   server to run the script as group mailman, or re-run configure,
   providing the command line option `--with-mail-gid=nobody'.


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[Mailman-Users] Mailman 2.1.5 - Local customizations is being ignored

2007-03-12 Thread Henrik Rasmussen
I'm using Mailman 2.1.5.

I've read*) that to avoid customize the original templates, it is
adviced to 

Create a directory lists/yourlist/en (assuming English :) and copy
  templates/subscribeack.txt to this directory.  Then edit this file 
  for your specific wording.  Mailman will use this specialized 
  template for the English welcome messages.

I assume this does not require a OWNERS_CAN_ENABLE_PERSONALIZATION = 1 

However, even I copy the file templates/da/verify.txt to
lists/mylist/da/ (and check the directory and file permissions
according to the originals) and restart the mailman server using
mailmanctl restart, Mailman still uses the original template
templates/da/verify.txt

Do I have to change something in the Mailman configuration to use
customized templates?

*)
http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?query=customizequerytype=simpl
ecasefold=yesreq=search

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Weirdness

2007-03-12 Thread chandler . lists
 Jay Chandler wrote:

When a user was unsubscribed (through the web interface), they continued
to receive emails.  And when additional users were subscribed, they
still haven't received any of the list traffic.


 Do your subs and unsubs require approval? Any admindb requests waiting.

Nope to both.
 If sub requires confirmation, did the new subs receive the confirmation
 email and respond?

 Is the unsub still in Membership management...-Membership list? Are the
 new subs there?

Yes.  It LOOKS correct within the web interface...

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Weirdness

2007-03-12 Thread chandler . lists
 On Fri, 09 Mar 2007 14:52:54 -0800 Jay Chandler
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

This is on FreeBSD / Postfix.  Anyone know what I might have forgotten
to do?  Everything else works correctly.

 Any chance you have two installations of mailman and the mail aliases are
 pointing to the old one?

Nope-- newish box that I've built myself.  This is the only Mailman install.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Weirdness

2007-03-12 Thread chandler . lists
  Mailman maintains a current version of its config file and a backup
 that is one generation older. It sounds to me like the current config
 is corrupt and it is falling back on the backup.

 This should show up in the logs, probably the error log or maybe qrunner.

 Something you can try is to run bin/dumpdb on the config.pck and
 config.pck.last files for that list to see if it throws an exception
 or reports a problem.


 Dragon

The problem is there are a pair of lists that are exhibiting this behavior
simultaneously.  I will try your suggestion, however, and report back.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Hi, how to re-configure mailman to mail-gid ...

2007-03-12 Thread Mark Sapiro
TRON478 wrote:

how can i re-configure mailman with the option --with-mail-gid=mailman 


If you installed Mailman from source, this is an option to the
configure command. If you are running a package, this is a question
for your packager.


or changing postifx to execute the mailman script with user mailman. thank
you


This is more likely the answer for you. In most cases with Postfix,
Mailman-Postfix integration is used. See
http://www.list.org/mailman-install/node12.html. In this case, the
Mailman aliases for postfix are in Mailman's data/aliases and
data/aliases.db files. Postfix invokes the wrapper as user:group of
the files in which it finds the alias, so make these files group
mailman.

ERROR-MESSAGE:

[EMAIL PROTECTED]: Command died with status 2:
   /usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman post test. Command output: Group
mismatch
   error.
snip

Also see
http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showfile=faq06.016.htp.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman 2.1.5 - Local customizations is beingignored

2007-03-12 Thread Mark Sapiro
Henrik Rasmussen wrote:

I've read*) that to avoid customize the original templates, it is
adviced to 

Create a directory lists/yourlist/en (assuming English :) and copy
  templates/subscribeack.txt to this directory.  Then edit this file 
  for your specific wording.  Mailman will use this specialized 
  template for the English welcome messages.


See
http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showfile=faq04.048.htp
(which you might have found if you'd searched the FAQ for 'template'
instead of 'customize').


I assume this does not require a OWNERS_CAN_ENABLE_PERSONALIZATION = 1 


Correct.


However, even I copy the file templates/da/verify.txt to
lists/mylist/da/ (and check the directory and file permissions
according to the originals) and restart the mailman server using
mailmanctl restart, Mailman still uses the original template
templates/da/verify.txt

Do I have to change something in the Mailman configuration to use
customized templates?

No. The only requirement is that the template be in one of the places
discussed in the above referenced FAQ, and that it be readable by the
mailman group.

Is the lists/mylist/ directory the existing directory that contains
the list's config.pck file?

Is the lists/mylist/da/verify.txt file you created readable by the
mailman group (i.e. group mailman and group readable or world
readable)?

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Weirdness

2007-03-12 Thread Mark Sapiro
Jay Chandler quoted me and replied:

 Is the unsub still in Membership management...-Membership list? Are the
 new subs there?

Yes.  It LOOKS correct within the web interface...


So if I understand correctly, you have new subscribers on the admin
Membership list pages with delivery enabled and not digest, and they
aren't receiving list mail but other members are. Is this correct?

Are they bouncing? (look in mailman's bounce log and/or follow the link
to their options page).

Also, you have a former list member who does not appear on the admin
Membership list pages who is still receiving mail from the list. Is
this correct?

Is it possible this person is getting mail forwarded from another
address which is on the list?

Examine the complete headers of the mail received by this person to try
to determine how it got to her/him.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Which parts of mailman are platform-dependent?

2007-03-12 Thread Jerold Stratton
On Mar 11, 2007, at 10:25 AM, Steve Burling wrote:
 Or have I missed something?  Anything else that will care?

We used to run the mail server portion on an old Solaris box, and the  
web portion on a Mac OS X Server box. As I recall, Mailman has a  
means of compiling itself for multiple platforms simultaneously, with  
each platform-dependent part going into a special directory for that  
platform.

However, it's been a while since we had that setup, and I can't  
recall how that worked.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Hi, how to re-configure mailman to mail-gid ...

2007-03-12 Thread TRON478
Hi,

thank you. I have solved it:

* First i deleted the mailman dir at /usr/local/mailman with rm -R /usr/...
* Then i create it again as described in the mailman manual
* after this i configured the mailman source with the
--with-mail-gid=nobody (is this not an security hole? Why NOBODY?)
* then i installed it again with make install
* and works ...

:)

but why nobody??

thanks
yavuz

On 3/12/07, Mark Sapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 TRON478 wrote:
 
 how can i re-configure mailman with the option --with-mail-gid=mailman
 


 If you installed Mailman from source, this is an option to the
 configure command. If you are running a package, this is a question
 for your packager.


 or changing postifx to execute the mailman script with user mailman.
 thank
 you


 This is more likely the answer for you. In most cases with Postfix,
 Mailman-Postfix integration is used. See
 http://www.list.org/mailman-install/node12.html. In this case, the
 Mailman aliases for postfix are in Mailman's data/aliases and
 data/aliases.db files. Postfix invokes the wrapper as user:group of
 the files in which it finds the alias, so make these files group
 mailman.

 ERROR-MESSAGE:
 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Command died with status 2:
/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman post test. Command output: Group
 mismatch
error.
 snip

 Also see
 http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showfile=faq06.016.htp.

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[Mailman-Users] What about mailman backup

2007-03-12 Thread TRON478
Hi,

i have now my list up and running, but now im asking myself how to backup
the already subscribed users and lists? so if my machine one day chrashes, i
want to set it up again an dont want to subcribers subribe again to my
lists. is there a documentation for this point? or how are you doing?

thanks
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Hi, how to re-configure mailman to mail-gid ...

2007-03-12 Thread Mark Sapiro
TRON478 wrote:

but why nobody??


Because 'nobody' is the group as which Postfix executes the wrapper, so
you have now compiled the wrapper to expect to be invoked by the
'nobody' group.

Again, see
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[Mailman-Users] Removing illegal character or duplicated user names - update

2007-03-12 Thread Mike Maughan
To update you on this issue, I have a user whom I managed to subscribe
incorrectly to the list and now cannot remove her.  There appear to be two
hidden subscriptions, neither of which appear in the subscriptions page.

If I leave her normal sub active, she gets three copies of list messages; if
I suspend mail on her (visible) account, she gets 2 copies.

I have diff-ed the full messages she receives in the case of 3 copies, and
apart from some oddments to do (I think) with MIME all emails are identical,
which means the recipient addresses  timestamps are identical == all three
emails were produce for the same recipient at the same time by the list
manager.  BTW I've added one of the diff contents to the end of this post
FYI.

My best understanding as of now is that I have managed (by attempting to
subscribe with illegal characters via the mass subscribe) to create two
hidden subscriptions which are active but unmanageable.  I can only see two
possible ways to address this:
1) edit the system-level data defining the subscribers - problematic as I'm
on dreamhost and do not have sysadmin access to the underlying data
2) find a way to create a pattern-match input to 'mass unsubscribe' which
would find and remove the entries.

Speculative scenario: if there are now three identical IDs in the underlying
database, the system may be unable to key on these in order to do anything
with them, but will process them sequentially when creating outgoing posts.

I have copies of the original outbound posts as received by Viv (my
subscriber), plus my diff files, if they are of any use, but as they contain
subscriber data I'm uncomfortable posting them public.

Any thoughts on how to proceed here?  Pretty please? :)

- Mike

Compare: ()G:\Downloads\!in\viv hart list dupe #1.eml (4765 bytes)
   with: ()G:\Downloads\!in\viv hart list dupe #3.eml (4765 bytes)

42c42
 boundary==_NextPart_000_006E_01C76497.A8D09630
---
 boundary==_NextPart_000_0078_01C76497.A8D09630
52,57c52,57
 --=_NextPart_000_006E_01C76497.A8D09630
 Content-Type: multipart/alternative;
 boundary==_NextPart_001_006F_01C76497.A8D09630


 --=_NextPart_001_006F_01C76497.A8D09630
---
 --=_NextPart_000_0078_01C76497.A8D09630
 Content-Type: multipart/alternative;
 boundary==_NextPart_001_0079_01C76497.A8D09630


 --=_NextPart_001_0079_01C76497.A8D09630
81c81
 --=_NextPart_001_006F_01C76497.A8D09630
---
 --=_NextPart_001_0079_01C76497.A8D09630
105,107c105,107
 --=_NextPart_001_006F_01C76497.A8D09630--

 --=_NextPart_000_006E_01C76497.A8D09630
---
 --=_NextPart_001_0079_01C76497.A8D09630--

 --=_NextPart_000_0078_01C76497.A8D09630
119c119
 --=_NextPart_000_006E_01C76497.A8D09630--
---
 --=_NextPart_000_0078_01C76497.A8D09630--


On 11/03/07, Mark Sapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Mike Maughan wrote:
 
 It is also possible I've discovered a bug, in which case the
 circumstances
 were a mass subscribe exercise where (in this case) I forgot to add a
 space
 between the username and the email address, so the input line looked like
 this User[EMAIL PROTECTED] and the list added them as this User
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]


 I can't quite duplicate this. If I try to add User[EMAIL PROTECTED],
 I add [EMAIL PROTECTED] with real name User as expected even though
 there is no separating space.

 However, I can add User[EMAIL PROTECTED] or User[EMAIL PROTECTED],
 and the address User[EMAIL PROTECTED] gets added with no real name.
 This too is what I would expect (I don't know if we should disallow 
 in an email address).

 The problem, the underlying cause of which I haven't yet identified (it
 probably messes up the post data from the web page), is it appears
 that you can't remove a user with who has a  in the email address by
 checking the unsub box on the membership list. However, you can remove
 this member by entering the address in Mass Removal.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] What about mailman backup

2007-03-12 Thread Mark Sapiro
TRON478 wrote:

i have now my list up and running, but now im asking myself how to backup
the already subscribed users and lists? so if my machine one day chrashes, i
want to set it up again an dont want to subcribers subribe again to my
lists. is there a documentation for this point? or how are you doing?


There are some articles on this in the FAQ, but they are unduly
complicated.

It is probably sufficient to backup Mailman's lists/ and
archives/private/ directories. This won't get held messages waiting
moderator approval or messages in Mailman's processing queues, but it
will get the list data and membership and archives.

If you want held messages, you can add Mailman's data/ directory, and
if you want the queues, add qfiles/.

If all you want are list settings and membership, lists/*/config.pck*
will do it, and all the info needed to rebuild archives is in
archives/private/*.mbox/

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Removing illegal character or duplicated user names- update

2007-03-12 Thread Mark Sapiro
Mike Maughan wrote:

To update you on this issue, I have a user whom I managed to subscribe
incorrectly to the list and now cannot remove her.  There appear to be two
hidden subscriptions, neither of which appear in the subscriptions page.

If I leave her normal sub active, she gets three copies of list messages; if
I suspend mail on her (visible) account, she gets 2 copies.

I have diff-ed the full messages she receives in the case of 3 copies, and
apart from some oddments to do (I think) with MIME all emails are identical,
which means the recipient addresses  timestamps are identical == all three
emails were produce for the same recipient at the same time by the list
manager.  BTW I've added one of the diff contents to the end of this post
FYI.


If the files you diffed contained All the Received: headers, this might
indicat the the duplication is occurring after final smtp delivery to
her, perhaps by message rules, but that would not explain why the
number goes from 3 to 2 when you suspend delivery.


My best understanding as of now is that I have managed (by attempting to
subscribe with illegal characters via the mass subscribe) to create two
hidden subscriptions which are active but unmanageable.  I can only see two
possible ways to address this:
1) edit the system-level data defining the subscribers - problematic as I'm
on dreamhost and do not have sysadmin access to the underlying data


That complicates things. You may need to enlist help from dreamhost.


2) find a way to create a pattern-match input to 'mass unsubscribe' which
would find and remove the entries.


Mass unsubscribe doesn't accept patterns.


Speculative scenario: if there are now three identical IDs in the underlying
database, the system may be unable to key on these in order to do anything
with them, but will process them sequentially when creating outgoing posts.



Unless dreamhost is using a non-standard member adaptor in their
Mailman (I think they have a standard Mailman 2.1.9 with htdig
searching added),
your speculation is not possible. The member database is a Python
dictionary keyed by lower-case email address. It is not possible to
have duplicate keys in a Python dictionary, thus it is not possible to
have two entries with the same email address.


I have copies of the original outbound posts as received by Viv (my
subscriber), plus my diff files, if they are of any use, but as they contain
subscriber data I'm uncomfortable posting them public.


Do these original messages contain all the Received: headers?


Any thoughts on how to proceed here?  Pretty please? :)

- Mike

Compare: ()G:\Downloads\!in\viv hart list dupe #1.eml (4765 bytes)
   with: ()G:\Downloads\!in\viv hart list dupe #3.eml (4765 bytes)

42c42
 boundary==_NextPart_000_006E_01C76497.A8D09630
---
 boundary==_NextPart_000_0078_01C76497.A8D09630


The change in boundaries indicates that these messages were 'remailed'
which in turn indicates that you may not have all the original
headers. You need to get the entire raw message source for these
messages from Viv. How she gets this depends on her MUA.

Here are some other things you can try:

On the Membership list page, enter some pattern in the 'Find member'
box that will match for sure all of her possible addresses and as few
others as possible - maybe her username or part of the domain. The
idea is to get one page of results with just a few entries so you can
see the table and the 'n members total' heading. See if the number of
entries in the table is fewer than n from 'n members total'. If so,
look at the raw html source and see if you see anything.

If you have a 'personalize' setting on your Non-digest options page,
set it to 'Yes' and add the line

This message sent to %(user_delivered_to)s.

to msg_footer. If there really are three messages being sent, this
should be different in the three messages received.

Other things will require dreamhost cooperation.

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[Mailman-Users] subscribing users

2007-03-12 Thread Bob Minor
Can I as a admin send a subscription request to subscribe other  
users? I don't want to do this via http I am looking to email the  
list serve and subvert the confirmation process. I want regular  
subscribers to continue to go through the confirmation process.
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Re: [Mailman-Users] subscribing users

2007-03-12 Thread Dragon
Bob Minor wrote:
Can I as a admin send a subscription request to subscribe other
users? I don't want to do this via http I am looking to email the
list serve and subvert the confirmation process. I want regular
subscribers to continue to go through the confirmation process.
 End original message. -

I'm not sure why you want to avoid the web interface because it can 
do exactly what you want.

Using the Mass subscription option in the Membership management page 
of the web interface you can subscribe as many addresses as you want 
without the confirmation by simply clicking the Subscribe radio 
button and entering the addresses in the appropriate field. Is there 
some reason why this won't work for you?

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Re: [Mailman-Users] subscribing users

2007-03-12 Thread Mark Sapiro
Bob Minor wrote:

Can I as a admin send a subscription request to subscribe other  
users? I don't want to do this via http I am looking to email the  
list serve and subvert the confirmation process. I want regular  
subscribers to continue to go through the confirmation process.


You can request subscription of other users by email, but you can't
bypass the confirmation process.

If you don't want to use http because you are somewhere where using a
browser is inconvenient, you can send the equivalent of a POST of a
mass subscribe transaction via wget. See the thread beginning at
http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2004-December/041213.html

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Re: [Mailman-Users] subscribing users

2007-03-12 Thread Bob Minor
Thanks I have shoppers that I want to be able to check a box if they  
want to add themselves to our announcement list and I wanted to avoid  
the confirmation process

I can only imagine that I could do this via curl as well.

On Mar 12, 2007, at 7:22:39:0, Mark Sapiro wrote:

 Bob Minor wrote:

 Can I as a admin send a subscription request to subscribe other
 users? I don't want to do this via http I am looking to email the
 list serve and subvert the confirmation process. I want regular
 subscribers to continue to go through the confirmation process.


 You can request subscription of other users by email, but you can't
 bypass the confirmation process.

 If you don't want to use http because you are somewhere where using a
 browser is inconvenient, you can send the equivalent of a POST of a
 mass subscribe transaction via wget. See the thread beginning at
 http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2004-December/ 
 041213.html

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