[Mailman-Users] how do i edit the digest email?

[Tina Forsyth]

hi there,
 
i want to edit part of the email that gets sent out as a daily digest...
specifically to remove the text at the top with all the list details about
how to send to the list, etc... i'm using this as an 'announcement only'
list and i don't want people to be able to access that information.
 
ive searched all through the faqs and other documentation and couldn't find
any reference to this.
 
hoping someone on the list can point me in the right direction? im using
mailman that came with our hostgator account, version 2.1.9
 
thanks!
 
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Re: [Mailman-Users] checkdbs error

[Mark Sapiro]

Adam Miller wrote:
>
>I'm getting some errors with a mailman cron job is running.  I am using 
>mailman version 2.1.9 on an FC5 i386 box.
>
>/usr/lib/mailman/cron/checkdbs
>
>Traceback (most recent call last):
>   File "/usr/lib/mailman/cron/checkdbs", line 203, in ?
> main()
>   File "/usr/lib/mailman/cron/checkdbs", line 104, in main
> discarded = auto_discard(mlist)
>   File "/usr/lib/mailman/cron/checkdbs", line 192, in auto_discard
> heldmsgs = mlist.GetHeldMessageIds()
>   File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/ListAdmin.py", line 143, in 
>GetHeldMessageIds
> return self.__getmsgids(HELDMSG)
>   File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/ListAdmin.py", line 138, in __getmsgids
> ids = [k for k, (op, data) in self.__db.items() if op == rtype]
>ValueError: too many values to unpack
>
>
>Any ideas as to what is causing this error and/or how to fix it?  Possibly 
>a corrupt pickle?  Thanks!!


Yes. It seems there is at least one bad entry in a
lists//request.pck file. If you can identify which one, you
can just remove it or replace it with an 'empty' (24 byte long) one.
You can probably identify which one by visiting the admindb page for
each list in turn until you hit a bug or wierd result.

Or maybe you can see a problem with bin/dumpdb.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] trouble migrating a list

[Mark Sapiro]

Peter wrote:
>
>I fixed the URL problem (I forgot the vital option: the URL) except I see that
>for one link the URL did not change.  In the archives "More information about
>this list" is still the old one.
>
>Any ideas why this may be?


Those links are built when the archive pages are created. If the only
bad links are on the table of content pages and the current period
(month) index page, they should be fixed when a message is archived.
If older index pages have bad links and these are a concern, you have
to rebuild the archive with bin/arch --wipe (perhaps after running
bin/cleanarch to check the .mbox), or fix the links manually.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] trouble migrating a list

[Peter]

Le Jeudi 22 Mars 2007 14:01, Peter a écrit :
> Le Jeudi 22 Mars 2007 13:14, Dragon a écrit :
> > Peter wrote:
> > >I'm resending this one.  Can anyone help?
> > >
> > >I have migrated a list from an old installation (2.1.5) to a new machine
> > >(running 2.1.8).  It appears that the move was successful since I can
> > > access its page at:
> > >
> > >http://mailman.domain.com/mailman/admin/
> > >
> > >But it does not show up on the main admin page:
> > >
> > >http://mailman.domain.com/mailman/admin
> > >
> > >This is the procedure I used for the move:
> > >
> > >cd /var/spool/mailman/lists
> > >cp -pr $OLD_MAILMAN/lists/ .
> > >withlist -l -r fix_url 
> > >cd ../archives/private
> > >cp -rp $OLD_MAILMAN/archives/private/.mbox/ .
> > >cleanarch -n < .mbox/.mbox
> > >cleanarch < .mbox/.mbox > tmp
> > >cp tmp .mbox/.mbox
> > >arch --wipe 
> > >
> > >There are no errors in mailman/logs.
> >
> >  End original message. -
> >
> > If you want to see it on the main page, the list must be advertised.
> >
> > Go to the list's admin page, go to Privacy Options and set advertised =
> > yes.
>
> Problem.
>
> I accessed the list's admin page [I don't know how it worked with the
> password I gave (it was the one I use for my other test lists)] and any
> links I choose (like the privacy options; to make it advertised) does not
> use the correct URL.  It uses localhost.my.domain.  I thought this would
> have been fixed by my migration method (fix_url).

I fixed the URL problem (I forgot the vital option: the URL) except I see that 
for one link the URL did not change.  In the archives "More information about 
this list" is still the old one.

Any ideas why this may be?

Pedro
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Re: [Mailman-Users] permissions, mailman, postfix, virtual .ugh!

[Mark Sapiro]

Washakie Wyoming wrote:
>
>I set up a virtual domain, and everything works with postfix alone. In
>main.cf:
>virtual_alias_domains = my.virt.domain
>virtual_alias_maps = hash:/etc/postfix/virtual
>
>### Now, changes for Mailman:
>alias_maps = hash:/etc/aliases,
>hash:/etc/mailman/aliases  #if I comment this I have no problems
>
>Then I added in mm_cfg.py:
>POSTFIX_STYLE_VIRTUAL_DOMAINS = ['my.virt.domain']
>MTA = 'Postfix'
>
>NOTE: One point of confusion, according to the GNU manual, there should
>also be a virtual-mailman.db, but I don't see how, or know how to
>create this??? genaliases only creates /etc/mailman/aliases


genaliases only creates virtual-mailman if you have one or more lists
whose host_name attribute (email domain) is in
POSTFIX_STYLE_VIRTUAL_DOMAINS.



>PERMISSIONS:
>in /etc/mailman:
>-rwxrwxr-x   1 rootmailman  1843 Mar 22 19:16 aliases
>-rwxrwxr-x   1 mailman mailman 12288 Mar 22 19:16 aliases.db
>
>in /etc:
>-rw-rw-r--   1 mailman mailman   2914 Mar 22 16:41 aliases
>-rw-rw-r--   1 mailman mailman  12288 Mar 22 19:26 aliases.db
>
>running check_perms produces no errors. 
>
>I get the following errors in maillog:
>Mar 22 19:48:26 localhost postfix/smtpd[8546]: fatal: open database
>/etc/mailman/aliases.db: Permission denied


Since -rwxrwxr-x clearly allows access, I'm guessing this is a SELinux
issue.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] trouble migrating a list

[Mark Sapiro]

Peter wrote:
>
>I accessed the list's admin page [I don't know how it worked with the password 
>I gave (it was the one I use for my other test lists)] and any links I choose 
>(like the privacy options; to make it advertised) does not use the correct 
>URL.  It uses localhost.my.domain.  I thought this would have been fixed by 
>my migration method (fix_url).


fix_url didn't do the right thing because your settings for
DEFAULT_URL_HOST and DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST are not correct. You probably
have other add_virtualhost() issues as well.

If in fact, 'localhost.my.domain' is the correct DEFAULT_URL_HOST, then
you need to specify the host you want to fix_url with the --urlhost=
option.

Or possibly the problem is with DEFAULT_URL_PATTERN.

This is also why your lists don't appear on the overview.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] listname-request who command

[Mark Sapiro]

Patrick Bogen wrote:

>On 3/21/07, Jennifer Oxelson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> The issue is I can send the 'who' email command with the admin password
>> from /*any*/ email address (not even subscribed) and get the roster...
>> is this right?   Wouldn't it be better if the 'who' command only worked
>> for email addresses corresponding to list admins/moderators when the
>> list roster is configured to be only available to these privileged
>> users?  (Or am I being overly paranoid?)
>
>Checking the email address would only add a sense of security, not any
>real security. Email addresses are *easily* forged. Trivially forged,
>even.
>
>So, this might actually even be a bad thing, since it will give a
>false sense of security while actually adding none.


Patrick is correct, but the real issue here is that by definition a
Mailman list admin or moderator is anyone who knows the respective
password. Thus, by providing the password, you have identified
yourself as a list admin regardless of your email address (or the
address you want the list sent to).

See FAQ's

and
.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Umbrella lists.

[Mark Sapiro]

Lech Karol PawBaszek wrote:
> 
> What i would like is to have "true lists" only at the lowest level. But 
> be able to accept incoming mail at the highest level and not to worry 
> about accepting the same mail on the other lists (if it is not from my 
> company domainname).
> 
> I've tried acceptable_aliases variable, but it doesn't work if the lower 
> level lists doesn't have sender on a member list (which is ok). So i 
> tried to use spam filters and header_filter_rules variable and set one 
> rule matching "announce" at "announce.poland" level with action 
> "accept", but when generic_nonmember_action variable is set to hold 
> (members only list) - message still hits "on hold" queue, and when 
> generic_action_variable is set to accept (anyone can send emails) 
> messages pass through spam filters anyway.


You can't use header_filter_rules because the 'accept' action only says 
'pass the header filter'. It doesn't say 'unconditionally accept the 
message'.


Is there any way to tell
> mailman to accept message matching header (like accept_these_nonmembers 
> but looking at recepient address oslt) even if the list is "members only"?


See 
 
for our advice on how to set this up.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] changing banned list members

[Mark Sapiro]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
>Can anyone tell me in plain english how to do this? I am not experienced in 
>programming. Thanks!


Go to the admin interface web pages and go to the Privacy
options...->Subscription rules page and look at the "List of addresses
which are banned from membership in this mailing list" (ban_list).

There you will find either this person's address or a regular
expression that matches this address. If it's a simple address, just
remove it from the list and "Submit Your Changes".

If it is a regular expression pattern that could match many addresses
(say for example something like "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" which matches
every address @example.com), you probably should explain this to
whoever is asking you to remove the ban, and ask what to do.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Trapping posts with no subject, and an apology

[Mike Maughan]

On 23/03/07, Mark Sapiro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> ^subject:\s*(\(no[_ ]subject\))?\s*$
>
>
Thanks for the fix & the explanation.  Do you know, that's the first time
I've actually understood a pattern search regex?  Wunderbar! :)
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Trapping posts with no subject, and an apology

[Mark Sapiro]

Mike Maughan wrote:
>
>I've implemented the recommendations; now all I have to do is decipher your
>regex :))


>> $subject:\s*(\(no[_ ]subject\))?\s*$


Ooops! It's wrong. It should be

^subject:\s*(\(no[_ ]subject\))?\s*$

The original wouldn't match anything.

It says:

^ - the start of the line
subject:
\s* - zero or more white space characters
( - beginning of a group (this is why your original try didn't work)
\( - a literal (
no
[_ ] - a single underscore or space (character class)
subject
\) - a literal )
) - end of the group
? - zero or one occurrences of the preceding re, in this case what's
in the parentheses
\s* - zero or more white space characters (doesn't match \n)
$ - the end of the line

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Trapping posts with no subject, and an apology

[Mike Maughan]

Thanks again, Mark.

I've implemented the recommendations; now all I have to do is decipher your
regex :))

- Mike

On 23/03/07, Mark Sapiro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Mike Maughan wrote:
> >
> >The cases I'd like to trap are:
> >
> >   1. empty subject
> >   2. (no subject)
> >   3. (no_subject)
> >
> >Is there an easy way?  Am I (as has been known on occasion :) missing
> >something obvious?
>
>
> You can trap all 3 of the above cases with a header_filter_rules rule
> with the regexp
>
> $subject:\s*(\(no[_ ]subject\))?\s*$
>
> but there is a 4th case which this won't get which is the case where
> the message contains no Subject: header at all. See
> 
> fo more information on how to deal with this case.
>
> See  for information about
> Python regular expressions.
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Trapping posts with no subject, and an apology

[Mark Sapiro]

Mike Maughan wrote:
>
>The cases I'd like to trap are:
>
>   1. empty subject
>   2. (no subject)
>   3. (no_subject)
>
>Is there an easy way?  Am I (as has been known on occasion :) missing
>something obvious?


You can trap all 3 of the above cases with a header_filter_rules rule
with the regexp

$subject:\s*(\(no[_ ]subject\))?\s*$

but there is a 4th case which this won't get which is the case where
the message contains no Subject: header at all. See

fo more information on how to deal with this case.

See  for information about
Python regular expressions.

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[Mailman-Users] Trapping posts with no subject, and an apology

[Mike Maughan]

I posted earlier about problems with "(no subject)" postings to my lists,
not complaining about such to  mailman-users, but I wasn't very clear in
what I said so my apologies to anyone who may have been offended.

To restate my problem and renew the request for help (if anyone is still
talking to me, that is :):

I run a number of lists of which two are precursors to wikis, that is the
message threads are copied into the discussion areas of wikis for analysis
and distillation.  One day when I grow up I'm hoping to automate this but
for now it means me copying & pasting.

A couple of recalcitrants continue to post without subjects, which makes my
transcription task that much more difficult.  I've asked them nicely, both
privately & publicly, but it seems they are just too darned idle to bother.

Accordingly, I would like to 'encourage' them to mend their ways by trapping
such posts and rejecting them.  I've tried putting a spam rule as per the
faq, trapping "subject containing .*(no subject)" but no workie.

The cases I'd like to trap are:

   1. empty subject
   2. (no subject)
   3. (no_subject)

Is there an easy way?  Am I (as has been known on occasion :) missing
something obvious?

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Disappearing posts [was: (no subject)]

[Mark Sapiro]

lookaroundcornwall.com wrote:
>
>Spot on Mark, thanks. Next time we have a server outage I'll try and
>remember that one. Is there any way to have it happen automatically?


If you installed Mailman from source, there is a shell script
scripts/mailman in the Mailman's install directory which has
instructions in it regarding how to install it in /etc/init.d. See


There should be a version of this script in 'packaged' Mailman versions.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] spam, AOL and server names

[vancleef]

The esteemed Patrick Bogen has said:
> 
> To reiterate what Brad said, please see FAQ 3.42. It specifically
> talks about this issue.
> 
> On 3/22/07, Dennis Morgan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > The percentage of our mail that AOL rejects is just huge - around 90% -
> > I was hoping that maybe someone could see something that we were doing
> > wrong. It'd be nice to get the rejection rate down.
> >
> > Dennis
> >
> > Brad Knowles wrote:
> > > See also FAQ 3.42.
> 
FAQ 3.42 pretty well covers the issues we see on our installation.  
One change that I don't see in the FAQ is to put 
SMTP_MAX_RCPTS = 5
in mm_cfg.py.  This may seem absurdly low, compared with the
Defaults.py value.  I originally set it to 10 and had mails to verizon
being deferred until they were time-flushed from the Sendmail queue
(five days).  Switching to individualized posts for non-digest members
made a very obvious difference in deferrals, but the pain persisted 
for digests.  

We've simply given up on AOL.  We were getting 5.7.1 security bounces
with a link to a message that made clear that they were blacklisting
us.  The pattern we saw doesn't correlate with their claims of "users
reporting us as spam."  We were down to one AOL user, a paraplegic,
and ended up having a list member drive to get him set up on another
service.   

Hank


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Re: [Mailman-Users] spam, AOL and server names

[Brad Knowles]

At 9:10 AM -0500 3/22/07, Dennis Morgan wrote:

>  The percentage of our mail that AOL rejects is just huge - around 90% -
>  I was hoping that maybe someone could see something that we were doing
>  wrong. It'd be nice to get the rejection rate down.

If you can show us complete copies of the bounces being generated, we 
might be able to help you figure out what's going wrong and what 
might be able to be done to fix it.

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[Mailman-Users] checkdbs error

[Adam Miller]

Hi,

I'm getting some errors with a mailman cron job is running.  I am using 
mailman version 2.1.9 on an FC5 i386 box.

/usr/lib/mailman/cron/checkdbs

Traceback (most recent call last):
   File "/usr/lib/mailman/cron/checkdbs", line 203, in ?
 main()
   File "/usr/lib/mailman/cron/checkdbs", line 104, in main
 discarded = auto_discard(mlist)
   File "/usr/lib/mailman/cron/checkdbs", line 192, in auto_discard
 heldmsgs = mlist.GetHeldMessageIds()
   File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/ListAdmin.py", line 143, in 
GetHeldMessageIds
 return self.__getmsgids(HELDMSG)
   File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/ListAdmin.py", line 138, in __getmsgids
 ids = [k for k, (op, data) in self.__db.items() if op == rtype]
ValueError: too many values to unpack


Any ideas as to what is causing this error and/or how to fix it?  Possibly 
a corrupt pickle?  Thanks!!

Cheers,
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Re: [Mailman-Users] changing banned list members

[Patrick Bogen]

On 3/22/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Where do I find the 'vette' log?

To get to the vette log, you need shell access to the server. Where
the log is actually located on the filesystem is dependent upon your
Distribution and how mailman was installed. One way to find it is to
run: 'locate vette,' or 'find / | grep -i vette'

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[Mailman-Users] permissions, mailman, postfix, virtual .ugh!

[Washakie Wyoming]

Greetings everyone, 

Please know that I have tried to resolve this without posting, but I
have been unable to produce a solution from searching the web. I'm
incredibly frustrated!!! Please, if someone as an idea as to what is
going on, your input would be GREATLY apprecaited!!

I have the following system: Fedora Core 6, Postfix 2.3.3, and Mailman
2.1.9
These were all installed with yum

I set up a virtual domain, and everything works with postfix alone. In
main.cf:
virtual_alias_domains = my.virt.domain
virtual_alias_maps = hash:/etc/postfix/virtual

### Now, changes for Mailman:
alias_maps = hash:/etc/aliases,
hash:/etc/mailman/aliases  #if I comment this I have no problems

Then I added in mm_cfg.py:
POSTFIX_STYLE_VIRTUAL_DOMAINS = ['my.virt.domain']
MTA = 'Postfix'

NOTE: One point of confusion, according to the GNU manual, there should
also be a virtual-mailman.db, but I don't see how, or know how to
create this??? genaliases only creates /etc/mailman/aliases

PERMISSIONS:
in /etc/mailman:
-rwxrwxr-x   1 rootmailman  1843 Mar 22 19:16 aliases
-rwxrwxr-x   1 mailman mailman 12288 Mar 22 19:16 aliases.db

in /etc:
-rw-rw-r--   1 mailman mailman   2914 Mar 22 16:41 aliases
-rw-rw-r--   1 mailman mailman  12288 Mar 22 19:26 aliases.db

running check_perms produces no errors. 

I get the following errors in maillog:
Mar 22 19:48:26 localhost postfix/smtpd[8546]: fatal: open database
/etc/mailman/aliases.db: Permission denied
Mar 22 19:48:26 localhost postfix/master[8429]: warning: process
/usr/libexec/postfix/smtpd pid 8546 exit status 1
Mar 22 19:48:27 localhost postfix/master[8429]: warning:
/usr/libexec/postfix/smtpd: bad command startup -- throttling

Sorry that I haven't found a solution with searching, I have discovered
this is not an uncommon problem!!! Thanks again, I greatly appreciate
any input and support.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] changing banned list members

[reikiiii]

I checked everything you said... I found her email, but it is listed under 
Sender Filters in "List of non-member addresses whose postings should be 
automatically accepted." She is not listed in the subscribers at all, and the 
list still won't accept her. Any further suggestions?
 Thank you!

Where do I find the 'vette' log?

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Trapping posts with no subject

[Mike Maughan]

JIC anyone was unclear, these problems are on _my_ lists, not on here :)

- Mike

On 22/03/07, Mike Maughan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Hi guys,
>
> I am aggravated by a few idle list posters who consistently refuse to put
> in a subject in their posts, and I would like to 'encourage' them to mend
> their ways :)
>
> I've tried putting a spam rule as per the faq, trapping subject containing
> .*(no subject) but no workie.
>
> The cases I'd like to trap are:
>
>1. empty subject
>2. (no subject)
>3. (no_subject)
>
> Is there an easy way?  Am I (as has been known on occasion :) missing
> something obvious?
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Re: [Mailman-Users] changing banned list members

[Patrick Bogen]

First off, please keep all replies on list, so that other folk can
give their input.

Check Mailman's 'vette' log to see why her posts are being held.

On 3/22/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I checked everything you said... I found her email, but it is listed under 
> Sender Filters in "List of non-member addresses whose postings should be 
> automatically accepted." She is not listed in the subscribers at all, and the 
> list still won't accept her. Any further suggestions?
> Thank you!
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Re: [Mailman-Users] trouble migrating a list

[Peter]

Le Jeudi 22 Mars 2007 13:14, Dragon a écrit :
> Peter wrote:
> >I'm resending this one.  Can anyone help?
> >
> >I have migrated a list from an old installation (2.1.5) to a new machine
> >(running 2.1.8).  It appears that the move was successful since I can
> > access its page at:
> >
> >http://mailman.domain.com/mailman/admin/
> >
> >But it does not show up on the main admin page:
> >
> >http://mailman.domain.com/mailman/admin
> >
> >This is the procedure I used for the move:
> >
> >cd /var/spool/mailman/lists
> >cp -pr $OLD_MAILMAN/lists/ .
> >withlist -l -r fix_url 
> >cd ../archives/private
> >cp -rp $OLD_MAILMAN/archives/private/.mbox/ .
> >cleanarch -n < .mbox/.mbox
> >cleanarch < .mbox/.mbox > tmp
> >cp tmp .mbox/.mbox
> >arch --wipe 
> >
> >There are no errors in mailman/logs.
>
>  End original message. -
>
> If you want to see it on the main page, the list must be advertised.
>
> Go to the list's admin page, go to Privacy Options and set advertised =
> yes.

Problem.

I accessed the list's admin page [I don't know how it worked with the password 
I gave (it was the one I use for my other test lists)] and any links I choose 
(like the privacy options; to make it advertised) does not use the correct 
URL.  It uses localhost.my.domain.  I thought this would have been fixed by 
my migration method (fix_url).

Also, my migration procedure was ok for one list but I have about 60 to 
migrate.  Any tips on such a mass migration?

Thank you very much,

Pedro
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[Mailman-Users] Posts with no subject

[lookaroundcornwall.com]

Hi Mike,
 
It wasn't laziness, just an oversight, which I corrected in subsequent
posts. Sorry if I aggravated you.

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[Mailman-Users] Trapping posts with no subject

[Mike Maughan]

Hi guys,

I am aggravated by a few idle list posters who consistently refuse to put in
a subject in their posts, and I would like to 'encourage' them to mend their
ways :)

I've tried putting a spam rule as per the faq, trapping subject containing
.*(no subject) but no workie.

The cases I'd like to trap are:

   1. empty subject
   2. (no subject)
   3. (no_subject)

Is there an easy way?  Am I (as has been known on occasion :) missing
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Re: [Mailman-Users] trouble migrating a list

[Dragon]

Peter wrote:
>I'm resending this one.  Can anyone help?
>
>I have migrated a list from an old installation (2.1.5) to a new machine
>(running 2.1.8).  It appears that the move was successful since I can access
>its page at:
>
>http://mailman.domain.com/mailman/admin/
>
>But it does not show up on the main admin page:
>
>http://mailman.domain.com/mailman/admin
>
>This is the procedure I used for the move:
>
>cd /var/spool/mailman/lists
>cp -pr $OLD_MAILMAN/lists/ .
>withlist -l -r fix_url 
>cd ../archives/private
>cp -rp $OLD_MAILMAN/archives/private/.mbox/ .
>cleanarch -n < .mbox/.mbox
>cleanarch < .mbox/.mbox > tmp
>cp tmp .mbox/.mbox
>arch --wipe 
>
>There are no errors in mailman/logs.
 End original message. -

If you want to see it on the main page, the list must be advertised.

Go to the list's admin page, go to Privacy Options and set advertised = yes.

That should do it.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] trouble migrating a list

[Paul Tomblin]

Quoting Peter ([EMAIL PROTECTED]):
> I'm resending this one.  Can anyone help?
> 
> I have migrated a list from an old installation (2.1.5) to a new machine 
> (running 2.1.8).  It appears that the move was successful since I can access 
> its page at:
> 
> http://mailman.domain.com/mailman/admin/
> 
> But it does not show up on the main admin page:
> 
> http://mailman.domain.com/mailman/admin

Is the list public?


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[Mailman-Users] trouble migrating a list

[Peter]

I'm resending this one.  Can anyone help?

I have migrated a list from an old installation (2.1.5) to a new machine 
(running 2.1.8).  It appears that the move was successful since I can access 
its page at:

http://mailman.domain.com/mailman/admin/

But it does not show up on the main admin page:

http://mailman.domain.com/mailman/admin

This is the procedure I used for the move:

cd /var/spool/mailman/lists
cp -pr $OLD_MAILMAN/lists/ .
withlist -l -r fix_url 
cd ../archives/private
cp -rp $OLD_MAILMAN/archives/private/.mbox/ .
cleanarch -n < .mbox/.mbox
cleanarch < .mbox/.mbox > tmp
cp tmp .mbox/.mbox
arch --wipe 

There are no errors in mailman/logs.

Thanks,

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Disappearing posts [was: (no subject)]

[Mark Sapiro]

Patrick Bogenwrote:

>On 3/22/07, lookaroundcornwall.com <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Any suggestions as to where I should start looking?
>
>If you have shell-level access to the server at mydomain.com (by the
>way, please see RFC 2606 ,
>about what domain names to use for examples. :), you should start by
>first checking your MTA (e.g., sendmail, postfix, exim) logs
>(generally something like /var/log/mail*) to see if the message you
>send is being received. If the mail is getting to the server, next
>check to see if the mail is getting to Mailman. This should be in your
>MTA logs, as well as in Mailman's logs (post?).


Also see
.

One likely cause is that Mailman's qrunners (IncomingRunner in
particular) are not running.

There won't be anything in Mailman's post log because that log is
written upon delivery to the list and the message doesn't even get to
moderation.

Look in Mailman's qfiles directory to see if there are files in any of
the subdirectories (queues). If so, the corresponding qrunner isn't
running unless the messages are in the shunt queue, in which case, the
reason is in Mailman's error log.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Disappearing posts [was: (no subject)]

[lookaroundcornwall.com]

One likely cause is that Mailman's qrunners (IncomingRunner in
particular) are not running.

Spot on Mark, thanks. Next time we have a server outage I'll try and
remember that one. Is there any way to have it happen automatically?

Ken

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Re: [Mailman-Users] changing banned list members

[Patrick Bogen]

On 3/21/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi, I'm new to this list and to using Mailman. I am stepping in temporarily
> in caring for the list I'm working with, and I have been asked to un-ban a
> member. I don't know the reasons behind this banning, but since I have been
> asked to undo it and subscribe them, I've been trying to find information
> on this. I have not been successful in the FAQs or in the archives.

This all depends on how the member was 'banned'.

Basically, you need to visit the list's admin page (something like
http://www.example.com/cgi-bin/mailman/admin/somelist), and check:
(1) Membership Management...: If the user is in this list, make sure
the 'mod' checkbox isn't marked
(2) Privacy Options... > Sender Filters: Make the the user's email
isn't listed in hold_these_nonmembers, reject_these_nonmembers, or
discard_these_nonmembers.
(3) Privacy Options... > Spam filters: Make sure there isn't a pattern
in header_filter_rules or bounce_matching_headers that would match a
message sent by the user.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Broken mailman

[Patrick Bogen]

On 3/22/07, lookaroundcornwall.com <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> It's getting through to the server - this from the exim log
>
> 2007-03-22 14:44:34 1HUOWo-0006sQ-9Z =>
> |/usr/local/home/mailman/mail/mailman owner announce
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> R=system_aliases_all_local_domains T=alias_pipe

This isn't *quite* right. This is some notification or other that's
intended for the owner of the announce list. Is there a similar log
entry that references either [EMAIL PROTECTED]

> Oddly, I seem to be getting mail addressed to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> but nothing else
I don't see that indicated from this single log entry, but maybe there
are others you didn't include. That's okay. At first guess, I'd
suppose there's something wrong getting the email to your server,
which is somewhat out of the scope of this mailing list.

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[Mailman-Users] Broken mailman

[lookaroundcornwall.com]

Thanks Patrick, I'll start looking

It's getting through to the server - this from the exim log

2007-03-22 14:44:34 1HUOWo-0006sQ-9Z =>
|/usr/local/home/mailman/mail/mailman owner announce
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
R=system_aliases_all_local_domains T=alias_pipe

Oddly, I seem to be getting mail addressed to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Re: [Mailman-Users] spam, AOL and server names

[Patrick Bogen]

To reiterate what Brad said, please see FAQ 3.42. It specifically
talks about this issue.

On 3/22/07, Dennis Morgan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> The percentage of our mail that AOL rejects is just huge - around 90% -
> I was hoping that maybe someone could see something that we were doing
> wrong. It'd be nice to get the rejection rate down.
>
> Dennis
>
> Brad Knowles wrote:
> > See also FAQ 3.42.


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Re: [Mailman-Users] (no subject)

[Patrick Bogen]

On 3/22/07, lookaroundcornwall.com <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Any suggestions as to where I should start looking?

If you have shell-level access to the server at mydomain.com (by the
way, please see RFC 2606 ,
about what domain names to use for examples. :), you should start by
first checking your MTA (e.g., sendmail, postfix, exim) logs
(generally something like /var/log/mail*) to see if the message you
send is being received. If the mail is getting to the server, next
check to see if the mail is getting to Mailman. This should be in your
MTA logs, as well as in Mailman's logs (post?).

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[Mailman-Users] (no subject)

[lookaroundcornwall.com]

A few months ago, I set up mailman to manage bulk email of a
subscription-based newsletter. Only the admin can post. For some reason,
it's stopped working. All posts are moderated, so I usually send a message
to HYPERLINK
"mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]"[EMAIL PROTECTED] and I
get a response asking me to authorize the request. I get nothing. And if I
log on to the admin page there are no pending requests. The message isn't
bounced, but it's like it's never received. subscribe and other messages to
HYPERLINK
"mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]"[EMAIL PROTECTED]
ain.com are similarly ignored.
 
Any suggestions as to where I should start looking?
 
Thanks
 
Ken

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Re: [Mailman-Users] spam, AOL and server names

[Dennis Morgan]

Thanks for your reply Brad.

Yeah, I read and reread the FAQ. Mailman has one of the best faq's I've 
ever seen.

The percentage of our mail that AOL rejects is just huge - around 90% - 
I was hoping that maybe someone could see something that we were doing 
wrong. It'd be nice to get the rejection rate down.

Dennis

Brad Knowles wrote:
> At 7:59 AM -0500 3/20/07, Dennis Morgan wrote:
>
>>  A persistent problem we've had is a significant amount of our users are
>>  AOL - and many are clueless. We're pretty ruthless about deleting AOL
>>  users when we get a report that someone is using their spam button - 
>> but
>>  even so a lot (most) of our mail to AOL gets rejected. We've decided
>>  that part of the problem is we're using an older version of majordomo.
>
> See also FAQ 3.42.
>
>>  I *think* another part of our problem can be found in this bit of our
>>  dns report from dnsstuff.com:
>>  ~~~
>>  OK: All of your mailservers have their host name in the greeting:
>>
>>  mail.e-aa.org:
>>  220 dedicated.bixbycreek.com ESMTP Sendmail 8.12.10/8.12.10; 
>> Tue, 20
>>  Mar 2007 05:44:34 -0800
>>  ~
>>
>>  In other words our mailing domain name is different than our mail 
>> server
>>  domain name.
>
> That shouldn't be an issue.  I send e-mail as [EMAIL PROTECTED], 
> although I may use any number of different servers as my outbound mail 
> relay for those messages depending on where I am, what computer I'm 
> using and what network it uses to access the Internet, etc
>
> Only really stupid people check the domain name of your envelope 
> sender and require that it be sent from a machine with a matching 
> domain name.  I've run into some stupid people like this, but I'm 
> pretty sure they're not doing this at AOL -- we weeded out that kind 
> of stupidity years ago, when I was the Sr. Internet Mail Administrator 
> at AOL.
>
>>  ~
>>  WARNING: One or more of your mailservers is claiming to be a host other
>>  than what it really is (the SMTP greeting should be a 3-digit code,
>>  followed by a space or a dash, then the host name). If your mailserver
>>  sends out E-mail using this domain in its EHLO or HELO, your E-mail
>>  might get blocked by anti-spam software. This is also a technical
>>  violation of RFC821 4.3 (and RFC2821 4.3.1). Note that the hostname
>>  given in the SMTP greeting should have an A record pointing back to the
>>  same server. Note that this one test may use a cached DNS record.
>>
>>   mail.eaachat.org claims to be non-existent host dedicated.eaachat.org:
>>   220 dedicated.eaachat.org ESMTP
>>  
>
> I don't think that this is a problem, either.  But I'd need to see for 
> myself to be certain.
>
>>  I'm assuming that both of the above problems are part of our AOL
>>  problems. Am I correct? And if so - does anyone have a tip or two about
>>  what to do to resolve it?
>>
>>  We're creating an SPF record to see if that helps - we really want at
>>  least some of our mail to get through to AOL. We plan to make the 
>> switch
>>  next week.
>
> Don't use SPF.  Don't use it anywhere.  It causes way more problems 
> than it can possibly solve.  Everything I said back in 2004 on this 
> subject is still applicable today, if not more so.  See 
> .
>
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