Re: [Mailman-Users] Comcast, Yahoo, Hotmail blocking us
On 9/1/07, Mark Sapiro wrote:
OTOH, it won't be that slow. If your MTA as as blinding fast as you
say, I imagine that for moderate sized messages, say 10 KB, it would
take well under a minute to deliver to the MTA.
It all depends on how many recipients there are, how large the
message is, and how many total deliveries are required to get all
necessary copies of the message transmitted from Mailman to the MTA.
I don't know how many members are on the many lists at python.org, but
many of these lists have personalized and/or VERPed delivery and thus
send an individual message to each subscriber, and it doesn't seem to
be an issue there.
We currently have 128 lists, and the Top Ten largest lists are:
3406 Python-list
3316 Mailman-announce
2997 Tutor
2598 Mailman-Users
1492 Python-announce-list
1309 Python-Dev
874 python-win32
855 Pythonmac-SIG
694 Image-SIG
646 XML-SIG
Going back to May 2005, the Top Ten lists with the most traffic are:
35787 python-list
21220 python-dev
18747 tutor
16636 python-checkins
13810 mailman-users
11241 python-bugs-list
10184 python-3000
7754 python-help
5790 patches
5400 pythonmac-sig
The Top Ten fastest lists with the highest average delivery rates to
the MTA are:
total delivery
List # msgs time (secs) Avg. rate
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Tutor 18629829 / 104001.403 =179.131 msg/s
Baypiggies 747203 / 4413.775 =169.289 msg/s
python-win321649983 / 9783.514 =168.649 msg/s
C++-sig1317540 / 7915.801 =166.444 msg/s
Edu-sig 801584 / 5248.601 =152.723 msg/s
Python-announce-list2002410 / 13363.320 =149.844 msg/s
PythonCE 245065 / 1638.371 =149.578 msg/s
Python-ideas 131066 /883.584 =148.335 msg/s
Image-SIG 465971 / 3271.483 =142.434 msg/s
Distutils-SIG 610489 / 4330.037 =140.989 msg/s
Now, we are a bit of a special case, since we dump all our outgoing
mail on the ISP that provides hosting services for the Python.org
machines (XS4ALL.nl), but as far as the rest of the numbers are
concerned, I think they're fairly representative.
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Comcast, Yahoo, Hotmail blocking us
On 9/1/07, Michael Anderson wrote: So, the question I have is - is there any way to set mailman so that it doesn't send all its copies of a message to yahoo.com for instance all at once? Can you break it up? We have 200 yahoo users which is over their threshold. Search the FAQ Wizard for throttle. In particular, see FAQ 4.51 at http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showfile=faq04.051.htp. Also, is there a way to find out which major blacklists your server is on and also a way to find the addresses you need to request whitelisting? I have a feeling there is a repository for this that you can search, but I don't know where to find it. Google for blacklist checker. Three of the top five hits are: http://www.robtex.com/rbl.html http://www.moensted.dk/spam/ http://www.mxtoolbox.com/blacklists.aspx -- Brad Knowles [EMAIL PROTECTED] LinkedIn Profile: http://tinyurl.com/y8kpxu -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Comcast, Yahoo, Hotmail blocking us
On 9/1/07, Mark Sapiro wrote: I suppose that's possible, but before going down that road, I would make sure that the domain that the server identifies itself as in SMTP HELO or EHLO is the same domain returned by an rDNS lookup of its IP address. Another factor might be the firewall. Some firewalls (especially certain versions of the Cisco PIX) are known to break SMTP in some pretty horrible ways, and it is entirely possible that large sites might set up their servers to look for certain types of behaviour that are in violation of the protocol. Or maybe they had these problems previously, and then instituted a way to work around them. But when the firewall changed, they didn't un-break whatever else they had to break in a different way, in order to work around the previous bizarre Cisco PIX problems. At the very least, this would be something else to check out. -- Brad Knowles [EMAIL PROTECTED] LinkedIn Profile: http://tinyurl.com/y8kpxu -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Comcast, Yahoo, Hotmail blocking us
On Sep 1, 2007, at 1:09 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote: I suppose that's possible, but before going down that road, I would make sure that the domain that the server identifies itself as in SMTP HELO or EHLO is the same domain returned by an rDNS lookup of its IP address. Let me add to this. I fully agree that there are DNS related things that can and should be done to make a legitimate mailing list system less likely to be blacklisted. I run a mailing list server at 72.64.118.118. Before I set that up I had to have the rDNS (aka PTR record) for that IP changed from static-72-64-118-118.dllstx.fios.verizon.net. to n118.ewd.goldmark.org. Doing this was the hardest part of the job because it took two painful hours on the phone with Verizon Business Internet support. However painful that was, it really was necessary. I would not have set up a mailing list server until I had that sorted out. I also have SPF records for all of the domains that might appear in HELO or MAIL FROM addresses for anything coming off of my net. Having a proper rDNS and SPF records to match should demonstrate to most reasonable systems that the mail from my IP really is under my (fully traceable) control. Of course I have postmaster and abuse addresses working for all of the domains that mail may come from. Still, with all of this, I got blocked by 1and1.com as being a dynamic address (which of course I'm not). What was also annoying was that 1and1.com rejected the mail with a 4xx, so the mail just sat in my outgoing queue, retrying every now and then until I removed the messages from the queue. It took several attempts to contact 1and1.com support (they don't publish a telephone number for non-customers) before this finally got fixed. But other than that, I've had no problems with comcast, yahoo or hotmail and only minimal problems with AOL. AOL has a document on the web someplace about what they want from mailing list providers. Most of their requirements are pretty much what people should be doing anyway. This is a long winded way of saying that before looking at exotic solutions like throttling, there are other steps you should be taking anyway that may resolve the problems. -j -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
[Mailman-Users] New user, need a bit of help.
First off, thanks in advance for any help that can be tossed my way. I am trying to get Mailman to work. Mailman is provided by my web host. I have followed their instructions, as well as much of the Mailman FAQ and setup as I can comprehend. (Fairly new to this stuff) The problem: The list doesn’t send out any messages. Anyhow, This is what happens. - setup new list (HYPERLINK mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] just for testing, and seems to activate fine.) - I can log in to the administration panel no problem and add users, adjust settings, etc. - I can send email to the list. (Don’t get a bounce or anything) but nothing happens. I made sure the email address I was sending from was added to the list before hand. - I read the FAQ and the problem “seems” to indicate an issue with crontabs. I checked my Cron information (I don’t know how much access I get to this stuff, as it is mosty new to me) and I see nothing in my little access area. I tried putting in some of the strings in the Cron area, but still nothing. (I actually am not sure if I even input that information correctly, I just copied and pasted off the FAQ.) From my lack of knowledge, it seems to have something to do with setup / install which I doubt I have access to on a shared hosting account. My host seemed helpful, but I think didn’t understand what I was saying. The FAQ points to Cron or the sendmail setup, but I do not know how to even begin checking this. Any tips or tricks? Where to start or to tell my host to help? Thanks for your time. Jeremy No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.484 / Virus Database: 269.13.2/984 - Release Date: 9/2/2007 12:59 PM -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] New user, need a bit of help.
Sales - Import Auto Source wrote: Mailman is provided by my web host. I have followed their instructions, as well as much of the Mailman FAQ and setup as I can comprehend. (Fairly new to this stuff) The problem: The list doesnt send out any messages. Do new members get notified of their subscription? Anyhow, This is what happens. - setup new list (HYPERLINK mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] just for testing, and seems to activate fine.) - I can log in to the administration panel no problem and add users, adjust settings, etc. - I can send email to the list. (Dont get a bounce or anything) but nothing happens. I made sure the email address I was sending from was added to the list before hand. - I read the FAQ and the problem seems to indicate an issue with crontabs. No. From the above mailto, I guessed that your listinfo page is at http://saskjunction.com/mailman/listinfo and I see from this that your Mailman version is 2.1.9.cp2. This tells me two things. First it is 2.1.x so that cron is not involved in sending list mail. cron is only involved in sending list mail in 2.0.x (and older). I checked my Cron information (I dont know how much access I get to this stuff, as it is mosty new to me) and I see nothing in my little access area. I tried putting in some of the strings in the Cron area, but still nothing. (I actually am not sure if I even input that information correctly, I just copied and pasted off the FAQ.) Whatever you did is probably wrong :-( Second, this is a cPanel Mailman so http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showfile=faq06.011.htp is relevant. Any tips or tricks? Where to start or to tell my host to help? Have you checked http://saskjunction.com/mailman/admindb/test_saskjunction.com to see if your tests are waiting moderator action? Refer your host support to http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showfile=faq04.078.htp. If the host support has further questions, they are welcome to post to [EMAIL PROTECTED] I also note that there are no messages archived for your 'test' list. Assuming archiving is enabled for this list and the posts aren't held in the admindb interface, that suggests that either your posts aren't getting to Mailman, or at least some of Mailman's qrunners aren't running. -- Mark Sapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
[Mailman-Users] Cleaning up archive that aren't in mbox format?
My list server, as near as I can tell, does not appear to be parsing out from mbox format. (To backtrack, early last month, I had asked the list for help on correctly parsing out the From information. It is apparently doing this correctly, as in putting the in front of the From.) Now, though, I have the 2007-July file that has the broken messages still in here. In short, did I run the archiver correctly? Or for that matter, where should I be looking/running this file/whatever? -Dennis Carr -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
