[Mailman-Users] Problem with list_lists

[AJ]

Hi,
  I am having an issue with the list_lists command, as well as the  
listinfo CGI.
Also, when running the check_db script, it starts to go through the  
lists, then stops with the same error below after about 6 lists.  My  
question is that something seems to be wrong with a list database  
somewhere, but what list?  What order do these programs parse the  
lists?  Running the list_admins command also bombs after going through  
the same 6 lists.  I need to know what the next list is that these  
commands parse.  That is most likely the bad list.
Any help would be appreciated.

AJ


Here is the output from list_lists.

Traceback (most recent call last):
   File "bin/list_lists", line 122, in ?
 main()
   File "bin/list_lists", line 94, in main
 mlist = MailList.MailList(n, lock=0)
   File "/listserv/Mailman/MailList.py", line 101, in __init__
 self.Load()
   File "/listserv/Mailman/MailList.py", line 573, in Load
 dict, e = self.__load(file)
   File "/listserv/Mailman/MailList.py", line 546, in __load
 dict = loadfunc(fp)
cPickle.UnpicklingError: could not find MARK



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[Mailman-Users] Topics with html type

[Prashanth]

Hi,

I think mailman discards messages if i send a
text/html message, So how to enable that?

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman 2.1.10b4 Released

[Mark Sapiro]

Jim Popovitch wrote:

>On Thu, Mar 13, 2008 at 10:26 PM, Mark Sapiro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>  I am happy to announce the next beta release of Mailman 2.1.10.
>>
>>  This is a security and bug fix release and it is highly recommended
>>  that all sites upgrade to this version.
>
>Everyone?  Or just 2.1.10 beta testers?
>
>Are you saying that any 2.1.9 or less Mailman systems need to be
>upgraded ASAP to at least 2.1.10b4?


It may be overstated. At a minimum, everyone should be planning to
upgrade to 2.1.10 final when it is available, but the 2.1.10 beta
releases address a security issue that is rather obscure and difficult
to exploit, but which has been publically exposed by the releases
themselves, thus sites which are concerned about this issue should
upgrade now and then again when the final is released.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Topics with html type

[Mark Sapiro]

Prashanth wrote:
>
>I think mailman discards messages if i send a
>text/html message, So how to enable that?


In Content filtering, set filter_content to No or add text/html to
pass_mime_types.

However, your Subject: mentions Topics, so if you are asking about
Keywords: lines in HTML parts, the answer is that Topics are
determined by matching against the Subject: and Keywords: headers
(actual message headers) of the message or Subject: and Keywords:
pseudo headers found in the initial lines of the first text/plain part
only. Thus if the message is HTML only, not multipart/alternative, the
topic matches must be in actual Subject: or Keywords: headers; they
can't be in a Kewords: line in the message body.

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[Mailman-Users] Requires approval notices

[Bonnie M]

I've looked in the FAQ section and don't see anything regarding this.

All of a sudden, as of yesterday, I'm not receiving the "requires approval"
notices.  I am not
knowledgeable with the technical stuff at all, but the settings say yes to
receive these notices immediately.  While the listkeeper on my list feels is
not a big deal, as we go and check the admin pages regularly, this kind of
stuff just drives me crazy!

Why the heck did it just stop working all of a sudden?

Thanks in advance!

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Problem with list_lists

[Mark Sapiro]

AJ wrote:

>  I am having an issue with the list_lists command, as well as the  
>listinfo CGI.
>Also, when running the check_db script, it starts to go through the  
>lists, then stops with the same error below after about 6 lists.  My  
>question is that something seems to be wrong with a list database  
>somewhere, but what list?  What order do these programs parse the  
>lists?  Running the list_admins command also bombs after going through  
>the same 6 lists.  I need to know what the next list is that these  
>commands parse.  That is most likely the bad list.
>Any help would be appreciated.


list_lists processes the lists in alphanumeric sort sequence by name.

You could always save the following 2-line file as bin/no_op.py

def no_op(mlist, *args):
return

and then run

bin/withlist -a -r no_op

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Requires approval notices

[Mark Sapiro]

Bonnie M wrote:
>
>All of a sudden, as of yesterday, I'm not receiving the "requires approval"
>notices.  I am not
>knowledgeable with the technical stuff at all, but the settings say yes to
>receive these notices immediately.  While the listkeeper on my list feels is
>not a big deal, as we go and check the admin pages regularly, this kind of
>stuff just drives me crazy!
>
>Why the heck did it just stop working all of a sudden?


My guess is that VirginRunner died. See
,
sections 1b, 5b and 8. If this is a hosted installation, you will need
to contact the host, and refer them to this FAQ information.

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[Mailman-Users] What is really required to go from 2.0.x to 2.1.y?

[Christopher Waltham]

I am almost hesitant to post this email at all, because I am so amazingly 
confused at what is going on I half-think I'm imagining it.

I have a Mailman 2.0.12 instance (not 2.0.5 as I previously thought, sorry 
Mark) running on a Solaris 8 SPARC server, which I'd planned to move onto a 
Linux RHEL4 x86 server using Mailman 2.1.9. In both cases, Mailman would be 
installed into /home/mailman to minimize configuration changes. In both cases, 
the hostname of the server would be list.bowdoin.edu. In both cases, 
/home/mailman would actually be served via NFS. And, oh yeah, I'm switching 
MTAs too (Postfix to sendmail). 

So, I made a copy of /home/mailman (which is actually on a NetApp) in case I 
had to revert my migration from Solaris to Linux. This was my workflow on the 
Linux server:

* mount a fresh copy of /home/mailman (which is Mailman 0.12 from Solaris)
* rm -rf /home/mailman/Mailman (because I'm switching MTAs)
* configure Mailman 2.1.9 using the following string: "./configure 
--prefix=/home/mailman --with-urlhost=list.bowdoin.edu 
--with-mailhost=list.bowdoin.edu --with-cgi-gid=apache --with-mail-gid=mail"
* run "make install"
* watch as "make install" runs "bin/update", it fails on a couple of lists. 
Remove the offending lists, re-run "bin/update", watch it run successfully.
* "rm /home/mailman/locks/* ; rm /home/mailman/qfiles/* ; rm 
/home/mailman/data/pending_subscriptions.db" just to make sure
* run "bin/check_perms -f", watch it run successfully.
* run "bin/genaliases", paste output into /etc/aliases, run "newaliases"
* run "bin/mm_sitepass"
* run "bin/mailmanctl start"

The problem is when I run "bin/list_members" on a list of whose membership I 
know well. Amazingly, when I run that command, I see list members from around 
2-3 years ago; I do not see list members whom I absolutely know are on that 
list. And then, well, I get so confused I can hardly stand. :)

What on earth is going on here? I have seen URLs like 
http://acd.ucar.edu/~fredrick/linux/mailman/upgrading.html and 
http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users@python.org/msg13279.html with hints 
for migrating server and versions at the same time; specifically running the 
fix_url command to update URLs for archives. But, I'm keeping the same hostname 
(list.bowdoin.edu) from both Solaris and Linux, so I don't bother with this.

Does anyone have the faintest idea of what's going on? It's like I'm seeing a 
ghost. I know that copy of /home/mailman is, pre-upgrade, the same from the Sun 
server to the Linux server because there are unique files in there which I've 
placed myself.

FWIW, I just made *another* copy of the /home/mailman directory from the Sun 
server, mounted it on the Linux server and DID NOT UPGRADE IT. Lo and behold, 
when I run bin/list_members, I see _correct_ users, _not old ones_.

Thoughts? Am I going crazy?

Thanks,


Chris

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Re: [Mailman-Users] What is really required to go from 2.0.x to 2.1.y?

[Mark Sapiro]

Christopher Waltham wrote:


>
>The problem is when I run "bin/list_members" on a list of whose membership I 
>know well. Amazingly, when I run that command, I see list members from around 
>2-3 years ago; I do not see list members whom I absolutely know are on that 
>list. And then, well, I get so confused I can hardly stand. :)


I don't know, but I have a good guess. 2-3 years ago, someone tried to
migrate to Mailman 2.1.x and then reversed, but this process left
config.pck files (converted from the 2.0.x config.db files) in some or
all of the lists// directories.

The current list upgrade process is finding those old config.pck files
and using them in preference to the actually more current config.db
files.


>Does anyone have the faintest idea of what's going on? It's like I'm seeing a 
>ghost. I know that copy of /home/mailman is, pre-upgrade, the same from the 
>Sun server to the Linux server because there are unique files in there which 
>I've placed myself.
>
>FWIW, I just made *another* copy of the /home/mailman directory from the Sun 
>server, mounted it on the Linux server and DID NOT UPGRADE IT. Lo and behold, 
>when I run bin/list_members, I see _correct_ users, _not old ones_.
>
>Thoughts? Am I going crazy?


Start with your good 2.0.12 installation and remove any config.pck and
config.pck.last files from the lists/listname/ directories and then
follow your upgrade procedure.

Then when you are satisfied with the results, remove the old config.db
and config.db.last files from the new installation so that they can't
be used as fallbacks 2 years from now.

A possibly viable alternative is to look at your 2.1.9 installation and
just remove the config.pck and config.pck.last files from any
lists/listname/ directory that has a config.db. Mailman will then
convert the config.db the first time the list is accessed, and if you
like that, you can then just remove the old config.db* files.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] What is really required to go from 2.0.x to 2.1.y?

[Christopher Waltham]

Again, apologies for the way Exchange Webmail quotes messages.

-Original Message-
From: Mark Sapiro [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Fri 3/14/2008 1:37 PM
To: Christopher Waltham; mailman-users@python.org
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] What is really required to go from 2.0.x to 2.1.y?
 
>>The problem is when I run "bin/list_members" on a list of whose membership I 
>>know well. >>Amazingly, when I run that command, I see list members from 
>>around 2-3 years ago; I do not see >>list members whom I absolutely know are 
>>on that list. And then, well, I get so confused I can >>hardly stand. :)

>I don't know, but I have a good guess. 2-3 years ago, someone tried to
>migrate to Mailman 2.1.x and then reversed, but this process left
>config.pck files (converted from the 2.0.x config.db files) in some or
>all of the lists// directories.

Running this: ( cd lists ; find . -name config.pck ) finds lots of results -- I 
have a lot of lists, but I bet there's one for each list. :-( As you go on to 
explain, there were lots of config.pck.last files, too.

>The current list upgrade process is finding those old config.pck files
>and using them in preference to the actually more current config.db
>files.

I had hoped (feared?) the process was doing something like what you outline, 
but at least I now know what it is!

>>Start with your good 2.0.12 installation and remove any config.pck and
>>config.pck.last files from the lists/listname/ directories and then
>>follow your upgrade procedure.

Done...

>>Then when you are satisfied with the results, remove the old config.db
>>and config.db.last files from the new installation so that they can't
>>be used as fallbacks 2 years from now.

In the process of doing this now.

>>A possibly viable alternative is to look at your 2.1.9 installation and
>>just remove the config.pck and config.pck.last files from any
>>lists/listname/ directory that has a config.db. Mailman will then
>>convert the config.db the first time the list is accessed, and if you
>>like that, you can then just remove the old config.db* files.

Just out of interest, what defines "access"? Is this something I can accomplish 
from the command-line myself, or does it require the mailman wrapper command 
being called from the aliases file?

Thanks again, Mark,


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[Mailman-Users] Mailing list commands being limited?

[Brian Herold]

We have an automated system that programmatically adds users to lists using the 
email command functionality (subscribe nodigest address=$theemailaddress).  
Though, some of the lists are large and occasionally we get the returned email 
response:
 
"We have received a message from your address [EMAIL PROTECTED]' 
requesting an automated response from the
[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list.  We have seen 10 such
messages from you today.  In order to avoid problems such as mail
loops between email robots, we will not be sending you any further
email responses today.  Please try again tomorrow.
 
If you believe this message is in error, or if you have any questions,
please contact the list owner at
[EMAIL PROTECTED]" 
 
*Note that I renamed the sending and list email addresses.
 
Is there some limit that's being triggered causing this message, and what can I 
do to prevent it?
Thanks,
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[Mailman-Users] Problem using procmail to send mail through spamassassin

[Jones, Stephen (SJONES)]

Hello,

I had the Mailman lists working but needed to update the URL's in the
mm-cfg.py file to change the name.  I now cannot send mail to the lists when
using procmail to force it through SpamAssassin.


I get the following errors in my maillog:

Mar  7 12:37:15 xaanm10anp sendmail[17241]: m27HbF5V017240:
to="|/usr/bin/procmail -m MAILMAN=vam /etc/procmailrc",
ctladdr=<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> (8/0), delay=00:00:00, xdelay=00:00:00,
mailer=prog, pri=30638, dsn=5.0.0, stat=Can't create output

Mar  7 12:37:15 xaanm10anp sendmail[17241]: m27HbF5V017240: m27HbF5V017241:
DSN: Can't create output

Here's what I have:

Red Hat AS4 Update4
Sendmail 8.13
Mailman 2.1.5
Procmail 3.22


Mailman and procmail have the sym link in /etc/smrsh.  

If I send email to a list as myself from the list server without using
procmail, the email gets posted to the list.

If I use procmail I get the error above.

When I changed the URL information in mm-cfg.py I also ran the following on
all the lists.

/usr/lib/mailman/bin/arch vam
/var/lib/mailman/archives/private/vam.mbox/vam.mbox

And

/usr/lib/mailman/bin/withlist -l -r fix_url Vam  

These lists were copied over from another server.

The procmailrc file read as follows:

:0fw: *| spamc -u mail

I also updated and recreated the access.db to include the new name.

Does anyone have a clue as to why I would get this error?  I have checked
and rechecked all of the permissions I can think of.


Thank you,

Stephen
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Re: [Mailman-Users] What is really required to go from 2.0.x to 2.1.y?

[Mark Sapiro]

Christopher Waltham quoted me and wrote:
> 
>>> A possibly viable alternative is to look at your 2.1.9
>>> installation and just remove the config.pck and config.pck.last
>>> files from any lists/listname/ directory that has a config.db.
>>> Mailman will then convert the config.db the first time the list
>>> is accessed, and if you like that, you can then just remove the
>>> old config.db* files.
> 
> Just out of interest, what defines "access"? Is this something I can
> accomplish from the command-line myself, or does it require the
> mailman wrapper command being called from the aliases file?


Anything that instantiates a list object. From the command line, 
bin/list_lists will do it for all lists. Any command that targets a list 
(e.g. bin/list_members) will do it for that list.

 From the web, the listinfo overview page will do it for all lists, and 
any list specific page will do it for that list.

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[Mailman-Users] is it possible to edit the html for the archive page?

[Robin Lougee-Heimer]

A mailman archive was inadvertently made public for a list I own (!) and 
I'm trying to clean up any pages that were cached by search engines. 

The way to flush the cache created by search engines is easy - just add an 
html tag in the header section of the webpage pages.  But I can't figure 
out how to access the html pages for the archive pages generated by 
mailman.  Is there a way?   (I didn't see this addressed in the faqs or in 
a quick scan of the documentation.)

thanks,
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Re: [Mailman-Users] is it possible to edit the html for the archivepage?

[Mark Sapiro]

Robin Lougee-Heimer wrote:

>A mailman archive was inadvertently made public for a list I own (!) and 
>I'm trying to clean up any pages that were cached by search engines. 
>
>The way to flush the cache created by search engines is easy - just add an 
>html tag in the header section of the webpage pages.  But I can't figure 
>out how to access the html pages for the archive pages generated by 
>mailman.  Is there a way?   (I didn't see this addressed in the faqs or in 
>a quick scan of the documentation.)



Whether your list archives are public or private, the static HTML pages
are all in the archives/private/listname/ directories and can be
edited as you desire, but some pages such as the TOC and index pages
are rewritten as messages are added.

But, this won't do any good. When your archive was public, it was
accessed via the 'pipermail' alias. I.e. it was accessed via a URL of
the form http://www.example.com/pipermail/listname/ which accessed the
archive itself via a symlink in archives/public/. Now that the archive
is private, the symlink is gone, and that 'pipermail' URL no longer
works.

In any case, you need to just wait for the search engine to crawl your
site again, find that the URL now returns a 'not found' and drop its
cached page.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailing list commands being limited?

[Mark Sapiro]

Brian Herold wrote:

>We have an automated system that programmatically adds users to lists using 
>the email command functionality (subscribe nodigest address=$theemailaddress). 
> Though, some of the lists are large and occasionally we get the returned 
>email response:
> 
>"We have received a message from your address [EMAIL PROTECTED]' 
>requesting an automated response from the
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list.  We have seen 10 such
>messages from you today.  In order to avoid problems such as mail
>loops between email robots, we will not be sending you any further
>email responses today.  Please try again tomorrow.
> 
>If you believe this message is in error, or if you have any questions,
>please contact the list owner at
>[EMAIL PROTECTED]" 
> 
>*Note that I renamed the sending and list email addresses.
> 
>Is there some limit that's being triggered causing this message, and what can 
>I do to prevent it?


The limit is MAX_AUTORESPONSES_PER_DAY which defaults to 10. It can be
set lower or higher, and it can be set to 0 for no limit, but note
that if you set it either to 0 or a large value, your server can be
used a spam reflector or for 'Joe Jobbing'.

Note however that the subscribe command(s) are still processed even
though the 10th one gets the above response and the remainder get no
response.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] a question about content-filtering

[Mark Sapiro]

liste yoneticisi wrote:
>
>Actually I just want a vissible message for deleted/filtered attachments.


Actually, given the current architecture of content filtering, this
turns out to be not at all easy to do in any reasonable way. About the
best that could be done without too much difficulty is content
filtering could prepare a report along the lines of

 text/html part removed by content filtering
 image/jpeg part removed by content filtering
 application/msword part removed by content filtering

and add it to the message similarly to the way msg_footer is added.

In any case, this is not likely to be done before Mailman 2.2 if then.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Problem using procmail to send mail through spamassassin

[Brad Knowles]

On 3/14/08, Jones, Stephen  \(SJONES\) wrote:

>  I had the Mailman lists working but needed to update the URL's in the
>  mm-cfg.py file to change the name.  I now cannot send mail to the lists when
>  using procmail to force it through SpamAssassin.

First off, you don't want to use procmail to send stuff through 
SpamAssassin.  You want to integrate SpamAssassin into your MTA, so 
that all that stuff gets caught before procmail gets called for 
delivery.

>  I get the following errors in my maillog:
>
>  Mar  7 12:37:15 xaanm10anp sendmail[17241]: m27HbF5V017240:
>  to="|/usr/bin/procmail -m MAILMAN=vam /etc/procmailrc",
>  ctladdr=<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> (8/0), delay=00:00:00, xdelay=00:00:00,
>  mailer=prog, pri=30638, dsn=5.0.0, stat=Can't create output
>
>  Mar  7 12:37:15 xaanm10anp sendmail[17241]: m27HbF5V017240: m27HbF5V017241:
>  DSN: Can't create output

This sounds to me like a procmail problem, and you'd need to ask this 
question on a procmail mailing list.

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