Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman 2.1.6 and Office 2007 documents

[Whitcomb, Jeff]

Mark,

Thanks for the reply.  I guess I forgot to mention that Barracuda is only 
catching the mail with the Office 2007 attachment if it was sent to a list for 
delivery.  If I send an email directly to another person on campus, not using a 
list, then the message delivers fine.

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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 18:49:01 -0700
From: Mark Sapiro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] how do I delete a pending subsc request
for themailman list
To: Steve Lindemann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,mailman-users@python.org
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1

Steve Lindemann wrote:
>
>> The [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list has 1 request(s) waiting for your
>> consideration at:
>> 
>>  http://email.marmot.org/mailman/admindb/mailman
>>  

>
>Following the provided link doesn't take me to the usual login page, 
>instead I end up on the generic listinfo page 
>(email.marmot.org/mailman/listinfo).
>
>I can log into the list management interface for the mailman list, but 
>when I click on the link to "Tend to pending moderator requests" I end 
>up on the same general listinfo page instead.


The underlying problem is in your web server config. Assuming apache,
you probably have something like

RedirectMatch /mailman[/]*$   /mailman/listinfo

This needs to be anchored as in

RedirectMatch ^/mailman[/]*$   /mailman/listinfo

As a workaround, you can go to
http://email.marmot.org/mailman/admindb/mailman/x which will work
because the 'x' doesn't match in the redirect and it is igmored by the
admindb cgi. I don't recall for sure if the subsequent post will work
or have the same problem.


>I found the controlling file(s) in /var/mailman/lists/mailman... 
>leastwise the members name and address are in the request.pck file.  Can 
>I simply delete request.pck (and/or request.db) to clear this?  Is there 
>anything else I need to do to clear the pending subscription?  Thanks!


Yes, you can just delete request.pck (request.db is left over from
pre-2.1.5 and is not used).

There may also have been a pending subscription in pending.pck, but
it's probably expired by now.

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Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 20:03:14 -0700
From: Mark Sapiro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman 2.1.6 and Office 2007 documents
To: "Whitcomb, Jeff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,

Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Whitcomb, Jeff wrote:

>Has anyone run into issues with the Barracuda SPAM filter catching
>emails sent through mailman 2.1.6 with the new Office 2007 format
>documents attached?  The email admin says Barracuda is seeing the
>messages as containing a .zip attachment, not a .docx attachment.  We
>disabled the .zip filtering temporarily to work around the problem.  The
>email admin is contacting Barracuda to see if this is there problem, and
>I thought I would ping here to see if others might be having the same
>problem.


OT, but...

docx files are zip archives containing a number of xml files, so
Barracuda is recognizing the file by its content rather than by
extension.

Perhaps Barracuda would be willing/able to make their appliance perform
a more in depth content analysis to determine if this zip file appears
to be a docx or open document or Google Earth .kmz or other known file
type which is in fact a zip archive of other files, but apparently
they do not currently do this.

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[Mailman-Users] Changing the From: field

[Stephen Martin]

This is a silly thing that should be easy, but I cannot for the life  
of me find the setting.  I have a list that is now sending all  
messages with the list name and e-mail address in the FROM: header.   
For example, if the list were named MYLIST and I sent the message, the  
FROM: header is "MYLIST [EMAIL PROTECTED]>" instead of "Stephen  
Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>".  This new behavor (with the  
list name instead of the sender name) is not what I want (and not what  
the list used to do).  I want the list to show the actual sender.  I  
don't know how the configuration got changed, and I can't seem to find  
what changed to make it go back to the way it used to be.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Changing the From: field

[Dragon]

Stephen Martin sent the message below at 08:06 3/27/2008:
>This is a silly thing that should be easy, but I cannot for the life
>of me find the setting.  I have a list that is now sending all
>messages with the list name and e-mail address in the FROM: header.
>For example, if the list were named MYLIST and I sent the message, the
>FROM: header is "MYLIST [EMAIL PROTECTED]>" instead of "Stephen
>Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>".  This new behavor (with the
>list name instead of the sender name) is not what I want (and not what
>the list used to do).  I want the list to show the actual sender.  I
>don't know how the configuration got changed, and I can't seem to find
>what changed to make it go back to the way it used to be.
 End original message. -

Sounds like this list has been set to be an anonymous list.

Check the anonymous_list setting on the main list options page.

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[Mailman-Users] News-gateway

[Par Leijonhufvud]

I'm trying to set up the news gateway. But it only appears to work one
way; from the mailinglist to the (local) newsserver. Any idea where the
problem may lie?

/Par

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[Mailman-Users] Controlling out going messages & Disabling "who "

[Ralf Wiegand]

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Q1: Controlling out going messages
I have large groups 60k plus.  may are going to yahoo
or google accounts.  If you send to many at once,
yahoo or google will black list you.  Is there a way
to send out the list email in , say 100 users at a
time?


Q2:Disabling "who "
I noticed you can send an email to
[EMAIL PROTECTED]  and put into the
subject line "who " and the
list server will send you the list of all people
subscribed to this list.
How do I disabled this?


  

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Controlling out going messages & Disabling "who"

[Mark Sapiro]

Ralf Wiegand wrote:
>
>Q1: Controlling out going messages
>I have large groups 60k plus.  may are going to yahoo
>or google accounts.  If you send to many at once,
>yahoo or google will black list you.  Is there a way
>to send out the list email in , say 100 users at a
>time?


Short of modifying Mailman's delivery code which would probably just
result in Mailman's message delivery becoming hoplessly backlogged,
there's no way to do this in Mailman.

What you have to do is negotiate with Yahoo, Google, etc. To accept
your list mail. If you can convince them that your list traffic is
legitimate, you may succeed in getting your lists whitelisted.

On the other hand, if the issue is not the number of total recipients,
but rather the number of recipients per SMTP transaction, you can set
SMTP_MAX_RCPTS in mm_cfg.py. This controls the maximum number of
recipients in one SMTP transaction.


>Q2:Disabling "who "
>I noticed you can send an email to
>[EMAIL PROTECTED]  and put into the
>subject line "who " and the
>list server will send you the list of all people
>subscribed to this list.
>How do I disabled this?


Assuming you want to disable this for list members as opposed to
someone authenticating with the list password, set Privacy
options...->Subscription rules->private_roster to "List admin only".

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Re: [Mailman-Users] News-gateway

[Mark Sapiro]

Par Leijonhufvud wrote:

>I'm trying to set up the news gateway. But it only appears to work one
>way; from the mailinglist to the (local) newsserver. Any idea where the
>problem may lie?


Check Mailman's crontab (crontab -l -u mailman) to be sure the
gate_news entry is not commented or removed.

# Every 5 mins, try to gate news to mail.  You can comment this one out
# if you don't want to allow gating, or don't have any going on right
now,
# or want to exclusively use a callback strategy instead of polling.
0,5,10,15,20,25,30,35,40,45,50,55 * * * * /usr/bin/python -S
/cygdrive/f/test-mailman/cron/gate_news
 
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman 2.1.6 and Office 2007 documents

[Mark Sapiro]

Whitcomb, Jeff wrote:
>
>Thanks for the reply.  I guess I forgot to mention that Barracuda is only 
>catching the mail with the Office 2007 attachment if it was sent to a list for 
>delivery.  If I send an email directly to another person on campus, not using 
>a list, then the message delivers fine.


I don't know what Mailman would be doing to such a message that would
cause it to be filtered by Barracuda.

Or are you saying that Barracuda catches it on the way to the list as
opposed to from the list. That would be even more of a mystery.

Since Barracuda undoubtedly has all sorts of proprietary trade secret
things that it does, I think you would have to persue this with them
to the extent that they are willing to help.

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[Mailman-Users] creating new virtual lists

[billc]

Hi again,

I'm still having a little trouble with virtual hosts, but most of it 
is now working properly.  Thanks for all the assistance.

What's the correct syntax for Virtual_Hosts {} in Defaults.py? I keep 
getting errors when I try to put something there.

I need to set moderation of new accounts (including any which are 
subscribed and confirmed from here forward) to OFF.  Where is that 
setting? I see the one to toggle moderation on/off for all current 
subscribers on the main Membership List page, but that doesn't appear 
to affect new subscribers.

Despite "Mod" being unchecked, all posts from my test subscribers 
result in an email to the list admin with:

As list administrator, your authorization is requested for the
following mailing list posting:

 List:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 From:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: And another test
 Reason:  Message has implicit destination

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Re: [Mailman-Users] News-gateway

[Par Leijonhufvud]

Mark Sapiro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2008.03.27] wrote:
> Par Leijonhufvud wrote:
> 
> >I'm trying to set up the news gateway. But it only appears to work one
> >way; from the mailinglist to the (local) newsserver. Any idea where the
> >problem may lie?
> 
> 
> Check Mailman's crontab (crontab -l -u mailman) to be sure the
> gate_news entry is not commented or removed.
> 
> # Every 5 mins, try to gate news to mail.  You can comment this one out
> # if you don't want to allow gating, or don't have any going on right
> now,
> # or want to exclusively use a callback strategy instead of polling.
> 0,5,10,15,20,25,30,35,40,45,50,55 * * * * /usr/bin/python -S
> /cygdrive/f/test-mailman/cron/gate_news


Nope, that is there and uncommented. Nor does it make a diffeence when
run manually.  I have localhost allowed as per default in INNs
readers.conf, and then some special bits to control access to different
groups for different users. But the fact that it woerks one way is
confusing me; it should work both ways or none AFÅICT (INN newbie
though).

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Re: [Mailman-Users] creating new virtual lists

[billc]

At 3:12 PM -0400 3/27/08, Charles Marcus wrote:
>On 3/27/2008, billc ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
>>  Reason:  Message has implicit destination
>>
>>What does that mean?
>
>The list address needs to be in either the To or CC field - its 
>probably BCC'd...

No, the mail is delivered to a Gmail account and pulled down from 
there using Fetchmail and dropped into Mailman.  No CCs or BCCs.

I *did* have to do some extra backflips with Gmail, as I currently 
have to wait 5 days before I can recreate the correct account name  - 
I have discusion@ set up as an email list which forwards to 
discussion2@ until Gmail lets me out of the penalty box for having 
just deleted an account named [EMAIL PROTECTED]   Perhaps that's where the 
problem lies.

Hopefully I'll be able to get that one to go away in 5 days.


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Re: [Mailman-Users] creating new virtual lists

[Dragon]

billc sent the message below at 10:35 3/27/2008:
>Hi again,
>
>I'm still having a little trouble with virtual hosts, but most of it
>is now working properly.  Thanks for all the assistance.
>
>What's the correct syntax for Virtual_Hosts {} in Defaults.py? I keep
>getting errors when I try to put something there.


OK, you should NEVER edit Defaults.py

You put any overrides of any default values in mm_cfg.py

The reason for this is that Defaults.py gets overwritten on an 
upgrade of the mailman code while mm_cfg.py does not.

Unfortunately, I don't know enough about the virtual host stuff to 
help you as I don't use it myself.

>I need to set moderation of new accounts (including any which are
>subscribed and confirmed from here forward) to OFF.  Where is that
>setting? I see the one to toggle moderation on/off for all current
>subscribers on the main Membership List page, but that doesn't appear
>to affect new subscribers.

That is default_member_moderation setting on the Privacy Options -> 
Sender Filters page.

You will also want to look at the settings for 
member_moderation_action and member_moderation_notice while you are 
there to set them as appropriate.

>Despite "Mod" being unchecked, all posts from my test subscribers
>result in an email to the list admin with:
>
> As list administrator, your authorization is requested for the
> following mailing list posting:
>
>  List:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>  From:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>  Subject: And another test
>  Reason:  Message has implicit destination
>
>What does that mean?

It means that the list address or an acceptable alias did not appear 
in the To: or CC: headers of the e-mail. You will get this if you 
BCC: a list. You can turn this off if you like if you set 
require_explicit_destination to NO on the Privacy Options -> 
Recipient filters page.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] creating new virtual lists

[Dragon]

billc sent the message below at 12:48 3/27/2008:
>At 3:12 PM -0400 3/27/08, Charles Marcus wrote:
> >On 3/27/2008, billc ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> >>  Reason:  Message has implicit destination
> >>
> >>What does that mean?
> >
> >The list address needs to be in either the To or CC field - its
> >probably BCC'd...
>
>No, the mail is delivered to a Gmail account and pulled down from
>there using Fetchmail and dropped into Mailman.  No CCs or BCCs.
>
>I *did* have to do some extra backflips with Gmail, as I currently
>have to wait 5 days before I can recreate the correct account name  -
>I have discusion@ set up as an email list which forwards to
>discussion2@ until Gmail lets me out of the penalty box for having
>just deleted an account named [EMAIL PROTECTED]   Perhaps that's where the
>problem lies.
>
>Hopefully I'll be able to get that one to go away in 5 days.
>
 End original message. -

Umm... why on earth are you doing that? It sounds convoluted and 
unnecessary to me (in fact, I think it is downright weird).

The list address must appear in the To: or CC: header of the e-mail 
delivered to mailman or an acceptable list alias can be present. The 
only other option is to have require_explicit_destination set to NO 
(which is not recommended).

Probably the best way to deal with this in your case with this weird 
configuration is to have the gmail address you are sending to added 
to acceptable_aliases on the Privacy Options -> Recipient filters page.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] creating new virtual lists

[Jim Coberly]

billc wrote:

At 3:12 PM -0400 3/27/08, Charles Marcus wrote:

On 3/27/2008, billc ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:

 Reason:  Message has implicit destination

What does that mean?
The list address needs to be in either the To or CC field - its 
probably BCC'd...


No, the mail is delivered to a Gmail account and pulled down from 
there using Fetchmail and dropped into Mailman.  No CCs or BCCs.


I *did* have to do some extra backflips with Gmail, as I currently 
have to wait 5 days before I can recreate the correct account name  - 
I have discusion@ set up as an email list which forwards to 
discussion2@ until Gmail lets me out of the penalty box for having 
just deleted an account named [EMAIL PROTECTED]   Perhaps that's where the 
problem lies.


Hopefully I'll be able to get that one to go away in 5 days.


If a list is made up of other lists, in other words, [EMAIL PROTECTED] has 
as members [EMAIL PROTECTED] and [EMAIL PROTECTED] and so forth - and if 
implicit addressing is not allowed in those member lists, then messages 
from an authorized member of [EMAIL PROTECTED] will generate the Reason: 
Message has implicit destination message.  One way around that is to 
turn off "Must posts have list named in destination (to, cc) field (or 
be among the acceptable alias names, specified below)?" in the Privacy 
options, Recipient filters section.


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Re: [Mailman-Users] creating new virtual lists

[Mark Sapiro]

billc wrote:
>
>What's the correct syntax for Virtual_Hosts {} in Defaults.py? I keep 
>getting errors when I try to put something there.


As pointed out by Dragon in another reply, don't change Defaults.py.
Override or supplement settings in mm_cfg.py instead.

To answer your question, VIRTUAL_HOSTS is a dictionary with web host as
keys and mail hos as vallues, but you don't need or want to edit it
directly. You use add_virtualhost() as in

add_virtualhost('www.example.com', 'example.com')

To add entries to VIRTUAL_HOSTS. VIRTUAL_HOSTS is initialized in
Defaults.py with

add_virtualhost(DEFAULT_URL_HOST, DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST)

If these values are correct, just add more virtual hosts with
add_virtualhost() in mm_cfg.py.

If these values need to be changed, change them in mm_cfg.py with

DEFAULT_URL_HOST = '...'
DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = '...'

then clear the old values from VIRTUAL_HOSTS with

VIRTUAL_HOSTS.clear()

and add the new values with

add_virtualhost(DEFAULT_URL_HOST, DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST)

followed by add_virtualhost() lines for the other domains.



>I need to set moderation of new accounts (including any which are 
>subscribed and confirmed from here forward) to OFF.  Where is that 
>setting? I see the one to toggle moderation on/off for all current 
>subscribers on the main Membership List page, but that doesn't appear 
>to affect new subscribers.


Answered by Dragon in another reply.


>Despite "Mod" being unchecked, all posts from my test subscribers 
>result in an email to the list admin with:
>
>   As list administrator, your authorization is requested for the
>   following mailing list posting:
>
> List:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> From:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: And another test
> Reason:  Message has implicit destination
>
>What does that mean?


Answered by Dragon in another reply.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] News-gateway

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Par Leijonhufvud wrote:
>
>Nope, that is there and uncommented. Nor does it make a diffeence when
>run manually.  I have localhost allowed as per default in INNs
>readers.conf, and then some special bits to control access to different
>groups for different users. But the fact that it woerks one way is
>confusing me; it should work both ways or none AFAICT (INN newbie
>though).


You might try doing a 'mass_catchup'. If somehow the list's
usenet_watermark is too high, this will reset it.

It sounds like you shouldn't need to set NNTP_USERNAME or NNTP_PASSWORD
in mm_cfg.py, but there may be an issue there. Have you looked in
Mailman's fromusenet log for any clues?

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[Mailman-Users] Curious about email confirmations for list owners...

[Glenn Sieb]

Hi List...

So I have a list on my box that's about to get a new round of 
listowners/moderators.

I created a list for the new mods/owners to play on, so I can show them 
how the interface works, etc. It's actually been a great learning 
experience for all of us, since I've never relied on email commands, 
I've always used the web commands. Anywho, it's raised a question that I 
can't really answer for them (they're an eager bunch, but they aren't 
techies, just everyday folk--just FYI):

When confirming the posting of a moderated message via email, "Why 
doesn't this work the way it says?" (their words, not mine..)

My observation: When the post comes through for approval, you an email 
with two attachments: First part is the web interface link, second 
(first attachment) the email that's being moderated, and third (second 
attachment) is how to confirm via email.

The problem is--you can't hit "reply" -- this does not work. Even 
though, to the layperson, it says to do so, since clients like 
Thunderbird and such show the text attachments inline. This is more 
pilot-error than anything, but it is confusing for non-techies, admittedly.

But, even more of a curiosity--if you open the attached email that says 
"confirm "--and hit reply--*THAT* doesn't work. The 
Subject: and To: headers are not set correctly. I use Thunderbird, some 
of the others use T-bird or Outcrack. From what I am gathering from the 
new mods, this is the same for both. I run a Mac so I don't run Outcrack 
to test with (nor do I really want to run Outcrack *blecch*).

I admit, that this took me three tries to get it right, and that 
involved just creating a new email, doing a copy/paste of the Subject 
line and making sure the email went to (listname)[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Are I/we doing this wrong? While I wholeheartedly support using the web 
interface for these things, I can understand why someone would just want 
to hit  type in the Approved: listpassword header, and do things 
that way, as well.

I've searched the FAQ, and the archives, but didn't see anything that 
addressed this. I've told them to just use the web interface, but 
they're genuinely curious as to how this works, and I'd like to help 
them understand (no less understand this myself! :-) )

Again, thank you in advance, and I hope this isn't another stupid 
question like my last one. (I admit I almost didn't send this in 
tonight, but I want to do right by my users, and if that means I have to 
eat some crow, ok fine.)

Best,
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[Mailman-Users] Archiving to 3rd machine

[Mark Heer]

Hello,

I'd like to have all archives sent to one system.  Currently we use hypermail 
for this but as we move to mailman it will be necessary to retain this sort of  
architecture.   Can mailman be configured to have mailserver1 and mailserver2 
send archives
to adminmachine3 ?  (all 3 running mailman).  One posssibility as noted in the 
faq is using MHonArc - but could I use similar 
PUBLIC_EXTERNAL_ARCHIVER configs to point to adminmachine3 using mailman's 
pipermail?  

Thank you,

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Curious about email confirmations for list owners...

[Mark Sapiro]

Glenn Sieb wrote:
>
>When confirming the posting of a moderated message via email, "Why 
>doesn't this work the way it says?" (their words, not mine..)
>
>My observation: When the post comes through for approval, you an email 
>with two attachments: First part is the web interface link, second 
>(first attachment) the email that's being moderated, and third (second 
>attachment) is how to confirm via email.
>
>The problem is--you can't hit "reply" -- this does not work. Even 
>though, to the layperson, it says to do so, since clients like 
>Thunderbird and such show the text attachments inline. This is more 
>pilot-error than anything, but it is confusing for non-techies, admittedly.


Unfortunately, this is MUA dependent. In some MUA's, if you actually
open the attached message, you can reply to it and it will work. In
Tbird 2.0 at least, you can click on the icon for the third part, and
it will open in a new window, and you can reply in that window, and it
works.


>But, even more of a curiosity--if you open the attached email that says 
>"confirm "--and hit reply--*THAT* doesn't work. The 
>Subject: and To: headers are not set correctly. I use Thunderbird, some 
>of the others use T-bird or Outcrack. From what I am gathering from the 
>new mods, this is the same for both. I run a Mac so I don't run Outcrack 
>to test with (nor do I really want to run Outcrack *blecch*).


It works for me with Tbird 2.0 (IIRC it didn't work with older Tbird).
It also works with Mutt, and I think I have observed in the past that
it works with MS Outlook express.


>I admit, that this took me three tries to get it right, and that 
>involved just creating a new email, doing a copy/paste of the Subject 
>line and making sure the email went to (listname)[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>Are I/we doing this wrong? While I wholeheartedly support using the web 
>interface for these things, I can understand why someone would just want 
>to hit  type in the Approved: listpassword header, and do things 
>that way, as well.


As I said above, it's MUA dependent. In any case, if the MUA shows all
the parts inline, replying in that view wont work without editing the
recipient and subject of the reply, but most (I think) MUAs that allow
you to open/view the specific message part and reply to it will work.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Curious about email confirmations for list owners...

[Glenn Sieb]

Mark Sapiro wrote:
>  Unfortunately, this is MUA dependent. In some MUA's, if you actually
>  open the attached message, you can reply to it and it will work. In
>  Tbird 2.0 at least, you can click on the icon for the third part, and
>  it will open in a new window, and you can reply in that window, and
>  it works.

Thanks, Mark. I'm using Tbird 2.0.0.12 (mac) and it doesn't seem to work 
like that. :-/ One of the other mods is using Tbird for Windows (I know 
she's using 2.0+ (I installed it for her), but not sure what exact 
version she's got.).

I can open it, but when I hit "Reply" (or "Reply to all") the To: is 
blank and the Subject: is either blank or it says "Re: " and that's it.

>  It works for me with Tbird 2.0 (IIRC it didn't work with older
>  Tbird). It also works with Mutt, and I think I have observed in the
>  past that it works with MS Outlook express.

Ok. I'll see if anyone's running Outcrack Express and have them try it. 
Like I said, it's been a learning curve for all of us. I'd never used 
the mail interface for this stuff before. :)

>  As I said above, it's MUA dependent. In any case, if the MUA shows
>  all the parts inline, replying in that view wont work without editing
>  the recipient and subject of the reply, but most (I think) MUAs that
>  allow you to open/view the specific message part and reply to it will
>  work.

*nod* We'll keep at it. Thanks, Mark. :)

Best,
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Archiving to 3rd machine

[Mark Sapiro]

Mark Heer wrote:
>
>I'd like to have all archives sent to one system.  Currently we use hypermail 
>for this but as we move to mailman it will be necessary to retain this sort of 
> architecture.   Can mailman be configured to have mailserver1 and mailserver2 
>send archives
>to adminmachine3 ?  (all 3 running mailman).  One posssibility as noted in the 
>faq is using MHonArc - but could I use similar 
>PUBLIC_EXTERNAL_ARCHIVER configs to point to adminmachine3 using mailman's 
>pipermail?  


Just off the top of my head, you could try something on machines 1 and
2 like

PUBLIC_EXTERNAL_ARCHIVER = 'ssh -e none [EMAIL PROTECTED] "script
%(listname)s"'

(all on one line), and similarly for PRIVATE_EXTERNAL_ARCHIVER, where
script would be on machine3 and would be something like

#!/bin/sh
f=`mktemp`
cat > $f
bin/arch $1 $f
rm $f

Of course, it wouldn't have to be ssh and could be it's own script, but
just something to push the message to a script on machine 3 which
would copy the message to a file and feed it to bin/arch for the
correct list.

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[Mailman-Users] not recognized

[Dr. Scott S. Jones]

Dear List: 

I have the strangest thing happen EVERYTIME I add anyone new, to any list. I
receive two messages. The first is a notice indicating the address was
successfully added to said list, a la: 


From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 15:26:28 -0600
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: sanchiro-patients subscription notification
>From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thu Mar 27 15:26:30 2008

Firstname Lastname <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> has been successfully
subscribed to sanchiro-patients.


The second looks like the following: 


From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 15:26:36 -0600
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Uncaught bounce notification
>From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thu Mar 27 15:26:37 2008

[-- Attachment #1 --]
[-- Type: text/plain, Encoding: 7bit, Size: 0.3K --]

The attached message was received as a bounce, but either the bounce
format was not recognized, or no member addresses could be extracted
from it.  This mailing list has been configured to send all
unrecognized bounce messages to the list administrator(s).

For more information see:
http://fyrenice.com/mailman/admin/sanchiro-patients/bounce


[-- Attachment #2 --]
[-- Type: message/rfc822, Encoding: 7bit, Size: 2.7K --]

From: Mail Delivery System <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 21:25:11 +
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Delivery status notification

[-- Attachment #1 --]
[-- Type: text/plain, Encoding: 8bit, Size: 0.2K --]

  This is an automatically generated Delivery Status Notification.

  Delivery to the following recipients failed permanently:

 * [EMAIL PROTECTED]

I'd like to know how to reconfigure my installation so that I do not keep
generating this error, with the -owner@ on every newly added address. 

Scott

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[Mailman-Users] change url on moved lists

[peter pilsl]

I just moved a whole sendmail-installation from one server to another. 
Therefore also the url of the server for the mailman-web-interface 
changed from server1.com to server2.com.

This is no problem for the listoverview and so

server2.com/mailman/admin

works fine. But then every list listed still points to server1.com and 
even worse to  server1.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listname

How can I change this url and path ??

I changed default-settings in mm_cfg.py like DEFAULT_URL_HOST, but this 
only applies to new lists.

But I cant find the settings in the list-configs itself.  host_name 
doesnt seem to be the variable I'm looking for.

Where does mailman get the urls that links to the lists in 
/mailman/listinfo ??

thnx,
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Re: [Mailman-Users] not recognized

[Mark Sapiro]

Dr. Scott S. Jones wrote:
>
>I'd like to know how to reconfigure my installation so that I do not keep
>generating this error, with the -owner@ on every newly added address. 


Is your list's umbrella_list (on General Options) setting set to Yes?

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Re: [Mailman-Users] change url on moved lists

[Mark Sapiro]

peter pilsl wrote:
>
>But I cant find the settings in the list-configs itself.  host_name 
>doesnt seem to be the variable I'm looking for.
>
>Where does mailman get the urls that links to the lists in 
>/mailman/listinfo ??


>From the web_page_url attribute which is not visible in the GUI.

You need to run fix_url. The canonical FAQ on this is
,
but there are others. See the 'Existing versus new lists' section in
FAQ 4.29 or some of the other hits from


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Re: [Mailman-Users] Curious about email confirmations for list owners...

[Mark Sapiro]

Glenn Sieb 
>
>Thanks, Mark. I'm using Tbird 2.0.0.12 (mac) and it doesn't seem to work 
>like that.


I just tried it on Mac OS X 10.5 with Tbird 2.0.0.9 and then after
upgrade, with 2.0.0.12 (with enigmail), and it worked fine in both.

It also works for me with Tbird 2.0.0.12 (with enigmail) on Windows XP.

I also tried MS-Outlook Express 6 on Windows, but when I try to open
the attached confirmation message part, it opens with the default
application for .eml files which on my machine is Tbird, so it doesn't
really work because Tbird is opening the message part from a file (see
below).


>I can open it, but when I hit "Reply" (or "Reply to all") the To: is 
>blank and the Subject: is either blank or it says "Re: " and that's it.


Is the message body in the composition window also blank? If so, it
sounds like the following:

One problem I know for sure with Tbird, is the message has to be in a
mailbox. If a message with attachments is in a stand-alone file (.eml
file or ??), you can open that with Tbird, but then Tbird doesn't
handle the attachments properly.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Curious about email confirmations for list owners...

[Glenn Sieb]

Mark Sapiro wrote:
> I just tried it on Mac OS X 10.5 with Tbird 2.0.0.9 and then after 
> upgrade, with 2.0.0.12 (with enigmail), and it worked fine in both.
> It also works for me with Tbird 2.0.0.12 (with enigmail) on Windows XP.
>
> I also tried MS-Outlook Express 6 on Windows, but when I try to open
> the attached confirmation message part, it opens with the default
> application for .eml files which on my machine is Tbird, so it doesn't
> really work because Tbird is opening the message part from a file (see
> below).
>   

Hmm. When I open the attachment, it opens in a new Tbird window, and if 
I click "Message, Edit as New" Tbird goes all funky on me. *sigh*
> Is the message body in the composition window also blank? If so, it 
> sounds like the following:
No it's not blank. But it doesn't open in the composition window, 
either. :-/

I've told the mods to just use the web interface--but it might be worth 
considering at some future point to combine the main email from the 
server with the confirm message (have the confirm message be the subject 
and from... and include the "click here to do this from the web..." 
message into it)?

Anywho--thanks, Mark. :)

Best,
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Curious about email confirmations for list owners...

[Mark Sapiro]

Glenn Sieb wrote:
>
>Hmm. When I open the attachment, it opens in a new Tbird window, and if 
>I click "Message, Edit as New" Tbird goes all funky on me. *sigh*


When I open the attachment, it opens in a new window and if I then
select message->edit as new, I get a blank composition window, but if
I open the attachment and then just click 'reply' in that window (or
select message->reply) I get a composition window with To: the
list-request address and Subject: Re: confirm . and the expected
quoted text in the message body.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] News-gateway

[Brad Knowles]

On 3/27/08, Par Leijonhufvud wrote:

>  Nope, that is there and uncommented. Nor does it make a diffeence when
>  run manually.  I have localhost allowed as per default in INNs
>  readers.conf, and then some special bits to control access to different
>  groups for different users. But the fact that it woerks one way is
>  confusing me; it should work both ways or none AFÅICT (INN newbie
>  though).

Mailman connects to the news server as a regular 
user, not as another server.  In other words, it 
should log in with the userid and password of a 
specific user.  Some news servers direct 
server-to-user traffic through certain protocols 
on certain servers, and server-to-server traffic 
through different protocols to other servers. 
Make sure you're using the right protocol with 
the right userid and password, to the right 
server.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] creating new virtual lists

[billc]

At 12:57 PM -0700 3/27/08, Dragon wrote:
>

>OK, you should NEVER edit Defaults.py
>
>You put any overrides of any default values in mm_cfg.py
>
>The reason for this is that Defaults.py gets overwritten on an
>upgrade of the mailman code while mm_cfg.py does not.

Got it.  I'm familiar with this type of organization from other 
software packages we run.

>That is default_member_moderation setting on the Privacy Options ->
>Sender Filters page.

Great.

>
>You will also want to look at the settings for
>member_moderation_action and member_moderation_notice while you are
there to set them as appropriate.

Thanks

At 1:04 PM -0700 3/27/08, Dragon wrote:
>billc sent the message below at 12:48 3/27/2008:
>  >At 3:12 PM -0400 3/27/08, Charles Marcus wrote:
>
>  >No, the mail is delivered to a Gmail account and pulled down from
>>there using Fetchmail and dropped into Mailman.  No CCs or BCCs.
>>
>>I *did* have to do some extra backflips with Gmail, as I currently
>>have to wait 5 days before I can recreate the correct account name  -
>>I have discusion@ set up as an email list which forwards to
>>discussion2@ until Gmail lets me out of the penalty box for having
>>just deleted an account named [EMAIL PROTECTED]   Perhaps that's where the
>>problem lies.
>>
>>Hopefully I'll be able to get that one to go away in 5 days.
>>
> End original message. -
>
>Umm... why on earth are you doing that? It sounds convoluted and
>unnecessary to me (in fact, I think it is downright weird).

Yes, i admit it is definitely convoluted and wierd.  (feel free to 
skip this section if the glaze factor sets in)

The problem stems from the fact that I'm setting this up to take over 
the function of an existing list (the previous host went out of 
business, rather quickly).  Since I didn't have Mailman set up and 
running I created a temporary list on my antiquated listserv 
software.  All mail for this domain is run through Gmail, as is mail 
for most of our other domains as we were getting absolutely pounded 
by the spambots (we caught a lot of spam, but there were so many 
bogus attempts to send mail that our servers were unable to say "go 
away" fast enough, and just the connections/rejections traffic was 
clogging our bandwidth up.  Gmail has the computational firepower to 
deal with that - we don't).  This is also the reason I'm using 
Fetchmail rather than forwarding or otherwise redirecting list mail 
to the Postfix server on the Mailman machine - shortly after I turned 
Postfix on to receive SMTP from non-localhost sources, I started 
seeing the spambots knocking on the door again.

So I created an account that forwarded list mail to the temp listserv.

After installing and testing Mailman it was time to test it with the 
real domain name and real emails.  I deleted the account and 
recreated it as a Gmail "list" (basically a forwarding - only 
account) which unlike their standard accounts has the ability to 
forward to more than one address (the temp list and the test list).

Now that the bugs are pretty much worked out with the virtual 
hosting, I went back to recreate the list account.  But Gmail 
requires a "waiting period" of 5 days before you can recreate an 
account that you've deleted.   So now I've got a temporarily messy 
and convoluted path that list mail will go through to get to Mailman:

  Gmail "list" =>  temp listserv => list members (to be discontinued soon)
   => Gmail temp account => Fetchmail => Mailman =>list 
members (to be switched on soon)

When Gmail lets me, it'll look like this instead:

Gmail account (the list address) => Fetchmail => Mailman =>list members

>
>The list address must appear in the To: or CC: header of the e-mail
>delivered to mailman or an acceptable list alias can be present. The
>only other option is to have require_explicit_destination set to NO
>(which is not recommended).
>
>Probably the best way to deal with this in your case with this weird
>configuration is to have the gmail address you are sending to added
>to acceptable_aliases on the Privacy Options -> Recipient filters page.

Got it.  Thanks.  I've put in some acceptable aliases, and I suspect 
that'll do the trick.

And as an aside: you've got a convert on your hands.  Although I'm 
not fond of the need for multiple addresses for 
subscribe/unsubscribe/etc, there are lots of other things I DO like 
about Mailman, and I'm pretty sure that I'll be creating all my 
future lists using it - and probably moving my existing lists off the 
antiquated software as well.
-- 
Bill Christensen


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