[Mailman-Users] almost there...now mail loops :-(

[Dov Oxenberg]

Hi,I would again like to extend my thanks to Mark and everyone for your help 
and guidance as I have been struggling with getting my mailing list working.I 
am close...finally got things working by editing some values in the main.cf 
file.Which leads me to my question - now that I have mail working, I mean I am 
actually receiving responses from the mail Server, albeit failure 
notifications, and can now see administrative requests in the console.  In 
fact, the self-subscription works as well...or at least it was.Anyway, now I am 
receiving the below messages from the mail Sever:This is the mail system at 
host mail.domain.com. I'm sorry to have to inform you that your message could 
notbe delivered to one or more recipients. It's attached below. For further 
assistance, please send mail to postmaster. If you do so, please include this 
problem report. You candelete your own text from the attached returned message. 
   The mail system <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: mail !
 for domain.com loops back to myself

--Forwarded Message Attachment--From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: 
Another test message...Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2008 00:13:34 -0400
Please help,
And thank you again!
 
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[Mailman-Users] Block spam from "-owner"?

[Stephen J. Turnbull]

Jon Slater writes:

 > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 > 
 > I'm using SpamAssassin but these are coming in with spam score like "-0.6"

In your SA local rules file add some rules that bump messages that are
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] +10 points.  Then figure out what the content
of desired messages looks like and bump that -10 points.

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[Mailman-Users] Adding extra information to subscription requests.

[Jaldhar H. Vyas]

[I originally sent this to -developers but that was probably the wrong 
place.  If you see it there, please respond here instead.]

This is a project I've been noodling about with for a bit but now is the time 
to ask how to do it properly.

For a mailing list I run using 2.1.9 I would like to new subscribers to provide 
an explanation of why they would like to join the list and acknowledge their 
acceptance of the list code of conduct.

Now adding a textarea and checkbox to the subscription form is easy but how do 
you make that extra information get sent to the list owners?  Do I have to hack 
cgi-bin/subscribe or is there some simpler way?

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Block spam from "-owner"?

[Robert Braver]

On Wednesday, April 2, 2008, 7:19:10 PM, Jon Slater wrote:

JS> I am getting a great deal of spam to almost all of my lists.  Well, not the
JS> lists per se, but to the owner's of the lists.  

[...]

JS> I'm using SpamAssassin but these are coming in with spam score like "-0.6"

I'm running SpamAssassin in front of my Mailman list addresses with
great success. It seems to me your issue is to find out why the spam
is scoring low, which would be more of a SpamAssassin question.

Is most or all of the spam scoring low, or just some?

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Block spam from "-owner"?

[Mark Sapiro]

Jon Slater wrote:

>I am getting a great deal of spam to almost all of my lists.  Well, not the
>lists per se, but to the owner's of the lists.  



>I'm using SpamAssassin but these are coming in with spam score like "-0.6"
>
> 
>
>Is there some other mechanism for eliminating this spam?


Mail to the -owner address is subject to the same header_filter_rules
(but not bounce_matching_headers) that are configured for a list under
Privacy options...->Spam filters. That's essentially all you have in
Mailman itself.

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[Mailman-Users] Block spam from "-owner"?

[Jon Slater]

I am getting a great deal of spam to almost all of my lists.  Well, not the
lists per se, but to the owner's of the lists.  

 

Like:

[EMAIL PROTECTED]

[EMAIL PROTECTED]

[EMAIL PROTECTED]

 

I'm using SpamAssassin but these are coming in with spam score like "-0.6"

 

Is there some other mechanism for eliminating this spam?

 

Thanks!

 

Jon

 

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Preventing Attachments

[Aaron Gray]

> Aaron Gray wrote:
>>Hi, a mailman newbie here :)
>>
>>Before installing MailMan I want to know if there is an admin option 
>>for either disallowing attachments, ie removing them or bouncing 
>>messages if they have an attachment.
>>
>>Many thanks in advance,
>  End original message. -
> 
> You have several options on what to do with attachments. You can have 
> them completely stripped (which is what I do on my lists), leave them 
> alone or have them "scrubbed".
> 
> Scrubbing is where the attachment is removed from the message and 
> stored in the list archive while an URL is added to the list post 
> pointing to the file.
> 
> All of this is controllable by file type, if you desired it, you can 
> allow or scrub some types of attachments while disallowing all others.

Nice, very nice, thanks,

Aaron

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Re: [Mailman-Users] customized digest pages

[Mark Sapiro]

JT Koffenberger wrote:

>Has anyone out there ever developed a customized digest page?  If so..  
>is there any place for templates or examples of such emails?


The default template for the initial portion of the digest is
masthead.txt. See
.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Preventing Attachments

[Dragon]

Aaron Gray wrote:
>Hi, a mailman newbie here :)
>
>Before installing MailMan I want to know if there is an admin option 
>for either disallowing attachments, ie removing them or bouncing 
>messages if they have an attachment.
>
>Many thanks in advance,
 End original message. -

You have several options on what to do with attachments. You can have 
them completely stripped (which is what I do on my lists), leave them 
alone or have them "scrubbed".

Scrubbing is where the attachment is removed from the message and 
stored in the list archive while an URL is added to the list post 
pointing to the file.

All of this is controllable by file type, if you desired it, you can 
allow or scrub some types of attachments while disallowing all others.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Problem With Mailman Migration

[Mark Sapiro]

Michael J Wise wrote:

>I've recently moved our mailman service to a different server. It 
>appears to be working well in all regards but one. When I attempt to 
>manage a list from the webpage interface on the correct server it sends 
>me to the admin password authorization page on the old server. All lists 
>constantly refer back to the old server for admin tasks.
>
>I have set the mm_cfg.py file properly with our new servers address 
>(x.domain.tld), and have run withlist -l -r fix_url both in "-a" 
>mode and individually on the various lists with no results.


This is exactly the kind of thing that fix_url is supposed to fix. The
fact that it doesn't indicates problems with your host settings in
Defaults.py/mm_cfg.py

What you want to start with in mm_cfg.py is (with your own host names
of course)

DEFAULT_URL_HOST = 'www.example.com'
DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = 'example.com'
VIRTUAL_HOSTS.clear()
add_virtualhost(DEFAULT_URL_HOST, DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST)

If you don't have that, do that, restart Mailman and run fix_url again


>I also would 
>like to know how to shutdown the old mailman admin web page. I have 
>edited out the reference to mailman in httpd.conf and restarted the 
>daemon with no success; there are no aliases to mailman in the 
>httpd.conf file aside from what I edited.


Then there is some non-obvious magic at work. If you don't have the
ScriptAlias for Mailman in httpd.conf, how is httpd getting to those
CGI scripts?  You might get a clue from your httpd access_log.


>The server platform is Mac Server 10.4.11. Thank you for your help.


Which I assume is still the Apple modified Mailman 2.1.5. Maybe these
are Apple questions.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] PUBLIC_EXTERNAL_ARCHIVER directive ignored

[Mark Sapiro]

Mark Heer wrote:
> 
>mm_cfg.py:
>PUBLIC_EXTERNAL_ARCHIVER = 'ssh -e none -i $HOME/.ssh/archkey [EMAIL 
>PROTECTED] %(listname)s'
>PRIVATE_EXTERNAL_ARCHIVER = 'ssh  -e none -i $HOME/.ssh/archkey [EMAIL 
>PROTECTED] %(listname)s'
>
>
>error log:
>return Mailbox.Mailbox(open(afn, 'a+'))
>IOError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 
>'/usr/local/mailman/archives/private/test1.mbox/test1.mbox'
>
> 
>Any idea why mailman is ignoring the EXTERNAL_ARCHIVER instruction?


What is your setting for ARCHIVE_TO_MBOX. It appears that the setting
is either 1 or 2 (perhaps the default 2) and you are encountering the
above exception before ever getting to the *_EXTERNAL_ARCHIVER tests.
(It generally helps to post the entire traceback, not just the error).

If you are using *_EXTERNAL_ARCHIVER, ARCHIVE_TO_MBOX must be either 0
or 2, and if it is 2, you will be writing to the
/usr/local/mailman/archives/private/listname.mbox/listname.mbox files
and if the /usr/local/mailman/archives/private/listname.mbox/
directory doesn't exist, you will get the above error before doing any
archiving.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Preventing Attachments

[Mark Sapiro]

Aaron Gray wrote:
>
>Before installing MailMan I want to know if there is an admin option for 
>either disallowing attachments, ie removing them or bouncing messages if they 
>have an attachment.


In short, Mailman has content filtering based on MIME type and also
attachment filename extension.

You can for example disallow any mime multipart messages whatsoever and
allow only text/plain messages, but that's pretty extreme because some
people won't be able to figure out how to send text/plain only as
opposed to multipart/alternative.

You can allow multipart messages and only allow the text/plain parts
therefrom and remove the rest, and this is probably close to what you
want, but technically, it is not disallowing 'attachments' because it
will allow 'attachments' of type text/plain.

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[Mailman-Users] Preventing Attachments

[Aaron Gray]

Hi, a mailman newbie here :)

Before installing MailMan I want to know if there is an admin option for either 
disallowing attachments, ie removing them or bouncing messages if they have an 
attachment.

Many thanks in advance,

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Re: [Mailman-Users] moderation not working

[Mark Sapiro]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

>
>> If on Privacy options... -> sender filters
>> 
>> default_member_moderation is Yes
>> member_moderation_action is Hold
>> accept_these_nonmembers is empty and
>> generic_nonmember_action is Hold,
>> 
>> and all current members are set moderated, e.g. by
>> having set them
>> under "Additional Member Tasks" on the Membership
>> Management...->Membership List page
>
>All of these settings are activated just as you said.
>
>> then the only
>> way a post can get
>> to the list without being held and approved by a
>> moderator is if it is
>> pre-approved with an Approved: password header or
>> initial plain text
>> body line.
>
>I'm not familiar with this, could this be the problem?


Only if the people sending the posts know how to do this and know the
list admin or list moderator password.


>> Note that if [EMAIL PROTECTED] is a member,
>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] will still
>> be treated as a non-member (unless that address is
>> explicitly a member
>> too), so I would ask if accept_these_nonmembers
>> contains a regexp that
>> matches '+'.
>
>I assumed it would treat the '+' as being a different
>address.  However, accept_these_nonmembers is empty,
>unless this is somehow a server setting that I can't
>control which overrides my config.
>
>I added in hold_these_nonmembers the following flags
>to try to stop the posts
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] and ^.*example\.com$
>
>I tried both separately but neither worked.


The first regexp is totally invalid. It would have to be

[EMAIL PROTECTED]

The second should hold any non-member mail from any domain ending with
"example.com". The fact that it doesn't says that the mail is being
accepted before any non-member tests are applied.

What Mailman version is this? Is this perhaps a cPanel or other
modified package?

I have tested this locally by moderating [EMAIL PROTECTED] A post From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] with envelope from [EMAIL PROTECTED] was held as a
post from a moderated member, and a post From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] with
envelope from [EMAIL PROTECTED] was held as a post from a non-member.

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[Mailman-Users] PUBLIC_EXTERNAL_ARCHIVER directive ignored

[Mark Heer]

  
Hello,

I can run the following ssh from the command line and it works, yet when I set 
the config for external archive mailman is ignoring the config option and 
attempts to archive on the local machine.  After I updated mm_cfg.py I did a 
mailmanctl restart
and restarted mailman from rc3.d dir. 
I have a key on the receiving machine which utilizes the $SSH_ORIGINAL_COMMAND 
environment variable to handle %listname and update the proper directories.
 
mm_cfg.py:
PUBLIC_EXTERNAL_ARCHIVER = 'ssh -e none -i $HOME/.ssh/archkey [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
%(listname)s'
PRIVATE_EXTERNAL_ARCHIVER = 'ssh  -e none -i $HOME/.ssh/archkey [EMAIL 
PROTECTED] %(listname)s'


error log:
return Mailbox.Mailbox(open(afn, 'a+'))
IOError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 
'/usr/local/mailman/archives/private/test1.mbox/test1.mbox'

 
Any idea why mailman is ignoring the EXTERNAL_ARCHIVER instruction?

Thanks,

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[Mailman-Users] customized digest pages

[JT Koffenberger]

Has anyone out there ever developed a customized digest page?  If so..  
is there any place for templates or examples of such emails?

Thanks!

--JTK



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Re: [Mailman-Users] moderation not working

[[EMAIL PROTECTED]]

> If on Privacy options... -> sender filters
> 
> default_member_moderation is Yes
> member_moderation_action is Hold
> accept_these_nonmembers is empty and
> generic_nonmember_action is Hold,
> 
> and all current members are set moderated, e.g. by
> having set them
> under "Additional Member Tasks" on the Membership
> Management...->Membership List page

All of these settings are activated just as you said.

> then the only
> way a post can get
> to the list without being held and approved by a
> moderator is if it is
> pre-approved with an Approved: password header or
> initial plain text
> body line.

I'm not familiar with this, could this be the problem?

> Note that if [EMAIL PROTECTED] is a member,
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] will still
> be treated as a non-member (unless that address is
> explicitly a member
> too), so I would ask if accept_these_nonmembers
> contains a regexp that
> matches '+'.

I assumed it would treat the '+' as being a different
address.  However, accept_these_nonmembers is empty,
unless this is somehow a server setting that I can't
control which overrides my config.

I added in hold_these_nonmembers the following flags
to try to stop the posts
[EMAIL PROTECTED] and ^.*example\.com$

I tried both separately but neither worked.


  

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[Mailman-Users] Problem With Mailman Migration

[Michael J Wise]

I've recently moved our mailman service to a different server. It 
appears to be working well in all regards but one. When I attempt to 
manage a list from the webpage interface on the correct server it sends 
me to the admin password authorization page on the old server. All lists 
constantly refer back to the old server for admin tasks.

I have set the mm_cfg.py file properly with our new servers address 
(x.domain.tld), and have run withlist -l -r fix_url both in "-a" 
mode and individually on the various lists with no results. I also would 
like to know how to shutdown the old mailman admin web page. I have 
edited out the reference to mailman in httpd.conf and restarted the 
daemon with no success; there are no aliases to mailman in the 
httpd.conf file aside from what I edited.

The server platform is Mac Server 10.4.11. Thank you for your help.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] moderation not working

[Mark Sapiro]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
>For example, say the email [EMAIL PROTECTED] is subscribed
>to my list.  I checked the "mod" box, and I set in
>Send Filters the option that all people on and off the
>list  must get moderator approval before posting.  If
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] emails my list, he will get held and
>I'll have to approve it.  However, often times people
>on my list use an address like [EMAIL PROTECTED]  These
>emails go straight through and post to the whole list.


If on Privacy options... -> sender filters

default_member_moderation is Yes
member_moderation_action is Hold
accept_these_nonmembers is empty and
generic_nonmember_action is Hold,

and all current members are set moderated, e.g. by having set them
under "Additional Member Tasks" on the Membership
Management...->Membership List page, then the only way a post can get
to the list without being held and approved by a moderator is if it is
pre-approved with an Approved: password header or initial plain text
body line.

Note that if [EMAIL PROTECTED] is a member, [EMAIL PROTECTED] will still
be treated as a non-member (unless that address is explicitly a member
too), so I would ask if accept_these_nonmembers contains a regexp that
matches '+'.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] archive 404 strangness

[Mark Sapiro]

Jim Popovitch wrote:
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>Lately I've noticed lots of 404 log errors for archive pages where the
>first letter of the Month is not capatilized (i.e. 2007-september,
>instead of the correct 2007-September).  These first started in
>appearing in the logs around December 2007, but continue today.  The
>IPs are all over the place, contain no referrer, and the user agent
>varies but does include some search engines like Y!Slurp.   I've
>checked every file in the archive for references to the lower case
>month, but didn't find any.
>
>In the case of the Y!Slurp hits, the IPs don't show as whois'ed by
>Yahoo!, but rather OC3 Networks.
>
>So... is this an archive harvesting miscreant?


I don't know if it's a miscreant or not, but I sometimes see this with
private archives in the form of "Private archive file not found:"
messages in the error log.

When I first saw this, I was concerned, and, as you, I looked for bad
links in the archives, looked in apache logs for IPs, looked at other
web activity for those IPs, and looked for those IPs in the
listname.mbox file.

Note that in the case of a private archive, the user has to be logged
in to generate that error log message.

I ultimately satisfied myself that these were cases of people manually
typing URLs of archive posts or manually altering a URL to go to a
different month's index and mistyping the case.

One thing you could try is googling the specific URL with something like

allinanchor:".../2006-september/..."

to see if there are any hits with the 'bad' URLs.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] mailman footer

[Mark Sapiro]

Prashanth wrote:
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>i want to display the topic that the user has subscribed to in the
>footer, is there any way to do that?


You would have to modify the code in Mailman/Nandlers/Decorate.py.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] pipermail footer (was: mailman footer)

[Mark Sapiro]

Jim Popovitch wrote:

>Is there a way to add a pipermail (archive) footer, but not an email
>footer, specifically a script (a'la Google Analytics)?


You can always edit the templates. See
.

article.html - for the article itself
archidxfoot.html - for the periodic index page
archtoc.html - for the main TOC if PUBLIC_MBOX = Yes
archtocnombox.html - for the main TOC if PUBLIC_MBOX = No

After making an edited template, you have to rebuild the archive with
bin/arch --wipe to affect older pages.

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