Re: [Mailman-Users] Control of newsgroup posters

[Mark Sapiro]

David Beaumont wrote:

>Thanks but we have the newsgroup because some members, albeit a few, prefer
>a newsgroup interface.  They would definitely not want to use the newsgroup
>to read and then have to use email to post.   
>
>I am experimenting with the mailman option 'List of non-member addresses
>whose postings will be immediately held for moderation' and adding
>'[EMAIL PROTECTED]'  which is what shows in the headers of the gated
>newsgroup posts (with * being a random number).  Am I wasting my time
>looking into that?


Yes. If the post is gated from usenet, all the
member/moderation/non-member tests are bypassed.


>If not do I have the * right - I don't understand the
>mailman help line  "start the line with a ^ character to designate a regular
>expression match", can someone give examples of that usage to obtain the
>wildcard function?

It's a regular expression, not a wildcard or glob. The correct thing
for what you would want is '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' (see
), but that is moot because
it won't work.

If this is your Mailman installation, and this is the only list you
gate from news, you could change the last line of the lines

inq = get_switchboard(mm_cfg.INQUEUE_DIR)
inq.enqueue(msg,
listname = mlist.internal_name(),
fromusenet = 1)

which begin at line 174 in cron/gate_news from

fromusenet = 1)

to

tolist = 1)

This would make the message look like any list post, but you may then
run into holds like 'implicit destination' on posts from unmoderated
members, but I gather you want them all held anyway.

If you have other gated news groups that don't want this behavior, you
can still do it, but the change becomes more complex.

You might even change the name of cron/gate_news to say
cron/our_gate_news and change the crontab accordingly so that your
change doesn't get reversed in an upgrade.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman autoresponder sends email from -bouncesaddress?

[Mark Sapiro]

Kelly Jones wrote:
>
>We recently added an auto-reply that says "thanks for submitting your
>resume'". The auto-reply comes from "[EMAIL PROTECTED]", which
>seems incorrect. I can see setting "Errors-To:" to this address and
>maybe even the envelope sender, but not the "From:" line.
>
>The problem: when someone replies (perhaps w/ more followup
>information), the reply goes to [EMAIL PROTECTED], which isn't
>helpful.


Right, but when their vacation program replies, it isn't helpful for
that to go to your list.


>Is this intentional? Can it be changed? We've played around w/
>redirecting where resumes-bounces goes, but that doesn't seem like the
>correct solution here.


It's easy enough to change, if you want to hack the code. The From:
address is the second argument to Message.UserNotification in

 outmsg = Message.UserNotification(sender, mlist.GetBouncesEmail(),
   subject, text, mlist.preferred_language)

at line 105 in Mailman/Handlers/Replybot.py. You could replace
mlist.GetBouncesEmail() with mlist.getListAddress() for the list
posting address, or mlist.getListAddress('owner') for the list-owner
address, or a new alias, say mlist.getListAddress('replies'), or even
a literal address.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Control of newsgroup posters

[David Beaumont]

Thanks but we have the newsgroup because some members, albeit a few, prefer
a newsgroup interface.  They would definitely not want to use the newsgroup
to read and then have to use email to post.   

I am experimenting with the mailman option 'List of non-member addresses
whose postings will be immediately held for moderation' and adding
'[EMAIL PROTECTED]'  which is what shows in the headers of the gated
newsgroup posts (with * being a random number).  Am I wasting my time
looking into that?  If not do I have the * right - I don't understand the
mailman help line  "start the line with a ^ character to designate a regular
expression match", can someone give examples of that usage to obtain the
wildcard function?

Thanks

David



> -Original Message-
> From: Mark Sapiro  
> 
> >Is there a simple way to control newsgroup posters?  We 
> interface our 
> >mailman list to a newsgroup.  We find that not only do 
> people who post 
> >via the newsgroup NOT have to subscribe to our email list, we also 
> >cannot hold their posts for moderation.  We would like the 
> opposite of both of these.
> 
> 
> That's not the way it works. The assumption is if you are 
> gating from news that you want all the posts from the news group.
> 
> It you only want posts on the list from list members and want 
> them moderated by the list, don't gate to the list from the 
> news group, just gate from the list to the news group and 
> have list members post to the list and not the news group.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Control of newsgroup posters

[Mark Sapiro]

David Beaumont wrote:

>Is there a simple way to control newsgroup posters?  We interface our
>mailman list to a newsgroup.  We find that not only do people who post via
>the newsgroup NOT have to subscribe to our email list, we also cannot hold
>their posts for moderation.  We would like the opposite of both of these.


That's not the way it works. The assumption is if you are gating from
news that you want all the posts from the news group.

It you only want posts on the list from list members and want them
moderated by the list, don't gate to the list from the news group,
just gate from the list to the news group and have list members post
to the list and not the news group.

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[Mailman-Users] Mailman autoresponder sends email from -bounces address?

[Kelly Jones]

We run a small internal mailing list, [EMAIL PROTECTED], that goes to
several people in HR. In other words, we use resumes like a sendmail
alias.

We recently added an auto-reply that says "thanks for submitting your
resume'". The auto-reply comes from "[EMAIL PROTECTED]", which
seems incorrect. I can see setting "Errors-To:" to this address and
maybe even the envelope sender, but not the "From:" line.

The problem: when someone replies (perhaps w/ more followup
information), the reply goes to [EMAIL PROTECTED], which isn't
helpful.

Is this intentional? Can it be changed? We've played around w/
redirecting where resumes-bounces goes, but that doesn't seem like the
correct solution here.

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[Mailman-Users] Control of newsgroup posters

[David Beaumont]

Is there a simple way to control newsgroup posters?  We interface our
mailman list to a newsgroup.  We find that not only do people who post via
the newsgroup NOT have to subscribe to our email list, we also cannot hold
their posts for moderation.  We would like the opposite of both of these.

Thanks, apologies if it is in the FAQ (which it usually is), I have searched
in vain for the answer using 'newsgroup' and 'moderation'.  

David

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