Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman
Jeffrey Goldberg writes: > On May 1, 2009, at 2:37 PM, Mike Hughes wrote: > > > I have a mailing list that has been running under Mailman. Another > > fellow has been hosting the mailing list for me. I would like to > > begin doing so myself. I have a computer available for the task. > > What Linux version will work best? > > Use whatever version of Linux (or other Unix) you are most comfortable > administering. Because it will be an Internet facing server, you (or > someone) will have to keep up with security updates. Note that you > can run Mailman on OS X, which you appear to have some familiarity > with. Any modern Unix-like system will do, but choose something that > you will be able to maintain. Note that most "modern Unix-like systems" provide a Mailman package. However, they all make changes to its configuration. If you have a user group for your system of choice, and know that some of the members run Mailman from the package, you should consider using the system's package. It will "fit in" to the system better, in some sense. However, generic resources like the Mailman INSTALL document will not apply to your setup in that case, so you do become dependent on help from those specialized to the system you use. OTOH, if you expect that you will be getting most help from this list and random friends off the 'net, you probably should install Mailman from source. It's not hard, there's an excellent FAQ, and a couple dozen people giving pretty much 24x7 coverage on this list. The MTA should be installed from the system's package. I find both sendmail and exim to be arcane. Postfix is plenty powerful and relatively straightforward to configure. (All three are excellent products, of course.) All are available for your OS of choice. > Your server will need > > A static public IP address. > Proper DNS PTR and A records (getting the proper PTR records can be > a frustrating experience). > DNS MX record What he said. Also, you may need to open some doors to the server through your firewall, ports 80 (for the web interfaces) and 25 (SMTP, for mail). -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman
On May 1, 2009, at 2:37 PM, Mike Hughes wrote: I have a mailing list that has been running under Mailman. Another fellow has been hosting the mailing list for me. I would like to begin doing so myself. I have a computer available for the task. What Linux version will work best? Use whatever version of Linux (or other Unix) you are most comfortable administering. Because it will be an Internet facing server, you (or someone) will have to keep up with security updates. Note that you can run Mailman on OS X, which you appear to have some familiarity with. Any modern Unix-like system will do, but choose something that you will be able to maintain. What will I need to do to set up mailman? You personally or someone else working with you will need to understand mail transport and what it means to be running a machine that receives and sends mail to the Internet. With apologies for sounding patronizing, but the fact that you asked the question above makes me doubt that you currently have that understanding. But that's okay as long as you are willing to learn. But there is much more to learn than just installing and configuring a couple of software packages. Getting your DNS records configured so that your mailserver doesn't look like a source of spam takes work and thought. This stuff is great fun to learn, but have someone close at hand who you can consult with and who can look over your shoulder and offer advice. If your question was what other packages does mailman depend on, that information is in the installation guide. But basically you will need Apache (other webservers will work, but all of the examples that you'll see for things use Apache), python, an MTA, (I use postfix; I like exim a whole lot, and sendmail remains very popular). cron (or on OS X, launchd.). You will probably want to have spam filtering as well, SpamAssassin is a popular choice. If you want to add virus checking of mail, then something like clamav is a good choice. Your server will need A static public IP address. Proper DNS PTR and A records (getting the proper PTR records can be a frustrating experience). DNS MX record Best wishes, -j -- Jeffrey Goldberghttp://www.goldmark.org/jeff/ -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Re: [Mailman-Users] Non-ASCII signs in welcome text
Hendrik Maryns writes: > Yes. Caution is good, but isn’t this exaggerated? No. It's not just your systems that are at risk. Mine are, too. Remember, almost all of these measures are taken because someone has demonstrated a similar exploit, and most exploits are not done for their own sake, but rather to achieve a platform for cracking more systems. Of course, if you're a security expert and know what risks are present, and are sure they don't apply to your system, Mailman is open source, you can change it. If that sounds like too much work, don't you see that probably means you don't really have enough resources to change the settings and still be secure? On the other hand, systems and their environments are infinitely variable. The Mailman developers can not know enough about your system to make those decisions, either. -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Re: [Mailman-Users] Non-ASCII signs in welcome text
Op 21-03-09 20:03 heeft Mark Sapiro als volgt van zich laten horen: > Hendrik Maryns wrote: >> I just started a new mailing list with Mailman. The welcome_msg is in >> German and contains üäö. Then I subscribed myself to the list and got >> the following: >> >> Hallöchen, Beiträge erwünscht, aber übertreibt es >> nicht, ne. > > > What is the list's preferred language? If it is English (or if it was > English when you set the welcome_msg), this is expected because > Mailman's character set for English is us-ascii and the page you're > posting from was sent with charset=us-ascii so your browser sends the > non-ascii characters as numeric html entities. > > If the list's preferred language is German, whose charset is iso-8859-1, > when you set the welcome_msg, this should not happen. Indeed. The problem is that Mailman assumes a list is English by default. If I create a new list, I start editing its settings. What you see first, is the welcome message etc. Only afterwards, I click through to the language settings and change it to German. This causes the problem. So a useful RFE would be to either not assume English, or to ask for the language at setup (or at first administrator login, since often a sysadmin will create the list and then hand it over to the list admin). Also, I noticed it is not possible to *remove* English as a list language. I do not see why. I certainly don’t need it in my lists. >> Furthermore, if I know log into the admin area, it gives the same text, >> that is, with all non-ASCII replaced by entities! > > > The reason you see the numeric HTML entities rather that the browser's > rendering of them is over-protective escaping of the '&' in the HTML > entity, but in this case, that's actually appropriate because the > ultimate use of this message is in a plain text email where the HTML > entities won't be rendered as characters anyway. Yes. Caution is good, but isn’t this exaggerated? H. -- Opgepast | Achtung | Attention adressen gewijzigd! Adressen geändert! adresses changed! Hendrik Maryns Biesingerstraße 5 D-72070 Tübingen +4970717783365 hamar...@googlemail.com http://tcl.sfs.uni-tuebingen.de/~hendrik/ signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Re: [Mailman-Users] Robots Tag
On Fri, 01 May 2009 14:56:01 -0400 John Webb wrote: Hello John, > What exactly does the follow or nofollow part of it do? (no)follow tells spiders whether or not to follow links on your page. Of course, it applies *only* to your page, so the link can still be arrived at from external pages. -- Regards _ / ) "The blindingly obvious is / _)radnever immediately apparent" If you ain't sticking your knives in me, you will be eventually Monsoon - Robbie Williams signature.asc Description: PGP signature -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
