Re: [Mailman-Users] multiple lists ..

2009-07-17 Thread Mark Sapiro
Ralf Hildebrandt wrote:

* Khalil Abbas khillo...@hotmail.com:

 what's the best solution for this dilemma? is there a way to
 automatically show a message on the top of each email with the
 cancellation email for each list that distributed that certain email?
 like : to cancel please send an email to: list10-le...@domain.com ?

Mailman puts those into the footer by default


Not quite. The default footer for this list for example is only

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but other information such as an unsubscribe mailto: can easily be
added.

Note that unless one turns off include_rfc2369_headers, there is a
List-Unsubscribe: header in every message. This is intended to allow
an MUA to provide an unsubscribe function/button, although many if
not most MUAs do not provide such a function and do not show the
header either.[1]

Also note that the command line command

bin/remove_members --fromall u...@example.com

wull remove u...@example.com from all lists on the server.

[1] Ironically, hotmail's web client does provide a You're subscribed
to this mailing list. Unsubscribe link when displaying a list
message, but the feature is broken because the header looks like

List-Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users,
   mailto:mailman-users-requ...@python.org?subject=unsubscribe

Which is a perfectly valid, RFC 2369 compliant header, but Windows live
mail interprets it as a single URL and tries to go to

http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users,mailto:mailman-users-requ...@python.org?subject=unsubscribe

I have reported this to Microsoft, but I haven't had the patience to
continue beating on it until someone actually understands the problem.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] multiple lists ..

2009-07-17 Thread Ralf Hildebrandt
* Mark Sapiro m...@msapiro.net:

 Not quite. The default footer for this list for example is only
 
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 Mailman-Users@python.org
 http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users

But that link LEADS to an unsubscription page...
 
 but other information such as an unsubscribe mailto: can easily be
 added.

Of course.
 
 Note that unless one turns off include_rfc2369_headers, there is a
 List-Unsubscribe: header in every message. This is intended to allow
 an MUA to provide an unsubscribe function/button, although many if
 not most MUAs do not provide such a function and do not show the header
 either.[1]

Yes, because that would be too easy

 [1] Ironically, hotmail's web client does provide a You're subscribed
 to this mailing list. Unsubscribe link when displaying a list
 message, but the feature is broken because the header looks like
 
 List-Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users,
  mailto:mailman-users-requ...@python.org?subject=unsubscribe
 
 Which is a perfectly valid, RFC 2369 compliant header, but Windows live
 mail interprets it as a single URL and tries to go to
 
 http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users,mailto:mailman-users-requ...@python.org?subject=unsubscribe
 
 I have reported this to Microsoft, but I haven't had the patience to
 continue beating on it until someone actually understands the problem.

:(

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Re: [Mailman-Users] multiple lists ..

2009-07-17 Thread Mark Sapiro
Ralf Hildebrandt wrote:

* Mark Sapiro m...@msapiro.net:

 Not quite. The default footer for this list for example is only
 
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 Mailman-Users@python.org
 http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users

But that link LEADS to an unsubscription page...


Of course, but I suspect that the users who are astute/sophisticated
enough to follow that link to the listinfo page, find and click the
Unsubscribe or edit options button and then fill in their email
address and click Unsubscribe on the options login page are not the
ones the OP is concerned about.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] multiple lists ..

2009-07-17 Thread Brad Knowles

on 7/17/09 11:55 AM, Mark Sapiro said:


Of course, but I suspect that the users who are astute/sophisticated
enough to follow that link to the listinfo page, find and click the
Unsubscribe or edit options button and then fill in their email
address and click Unsubscribe on the options login page are not the
ones the OP is concerned about.


The ones I would be concerned about are the clue-free types who scream 
in ALL CAPS, and insist that it is my duty to respond to their every 
whim and to unsubscribe them from every mailing list in existence on the 
entire Internet, and that because the Mailman software is associated 
with Python and python.org, we must obviously be the morons who run the 
entire thing.


Right.

Those are the ones I tend to reserve my harshest punishment/criticism for.


But I'm trying to be a more optimistic and positive person now (after my 
surgery for thyroid cancer), so I guess I need to change that.  Maybe 
once they finally start me on the synthetic thyroid replacement drugs, 
and I feel like I've got some energy back.


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[Mailman-Users] Word Wrap

2009-07-17 Thread Adrean Clark
Mailman seems to be wrapping my email text automatically-- I have sent
email messages unwrapped from both Gmail and SquirrelMail and I still get
my emails back through the list with word wrap.  The line width is the
same as when seen in the post authorization window (moderation is set to
on).  This is frustrating because it breaks long URLs and has ugly line
breaks when other people read our messages in other email programs such as
pagers, etc.

My Mailman version is 2.1.12

I've tried searching archives but not seen any messages that specifically
list directions on how to fix it through the control panel.

Help much appreciated. :)

Adrean

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[Mailman-Users] archive problem

2009-07-17 Thread c cc
Hi,

I have moved many lists from an old mailman (2.0.8) to a new mailman
(2.1.9). Everything seems to be working fine except the archives. I
could see the old archives, but the new archived wouldn't show up on
the web page unless I run the arch script. Does anyone know how to
solve this problem? Thanks!

Charles
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Re: [Mailman-Users] archive problem

2009-07-17 Thread Mark Sapiro
c cc wrote:

I have moved many lists from an old mailman (2.0.8) to a new mailman
(2.1.9). Everything seems to be working fine except the archives. I
could see the old archives, but the new archived wouldn't show up on
the web page unless I run the arch script. Does anyone know how to
solve this problem? Thanks!


What's in Mailman's error log?

It appears that archived messages are being stored in the
archives/private/LIST.mbox/LIST.mbox file but not being added to the
pipermail (HTML) archive until you run bin/arch. Thus, some
error/exception is occurring during archiving probably related to
permissions since bin/arch works. There should be information in
Mailman's error log about these failures.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Word Wrap

2009-07-17 Thread Mark Sapiro
Adrean Clark wrote:

Mailman seems to be wrapping my email text automatically-- I have sent
email messages unwrapped from both Gmail and SquirrelMail and I still get
my emails back through the list with word wrap.  The line width is the
same as when seen in the post authorization window (moderation is set to
on).  This is frustrating because it breaks long URLs and has ugly line
breaks when other people read our messages in other email programs such as
pagers, etc.


Mailman doesn't normally do this. Is your mailman modified to allow
editing of messages waiting approval in the admindb interface?

What happens if you approve the message from the admindb summary page
rather than the individual message page?

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