[Mailman-Users] Feature request: Emergency Broadcast
Given my current situation (as rare as this situation may be), I have come to realize that an emergency broadcast feature would be an indispensable tool to have right now. Since my host made the alias change on my mailing list, but did not create the MX record for the new email, it is currently impossible to post to our mailing list via email. I can't even tell people why the list isn't working. With an emergency broadcast feature on the website (a way to send a message to the list using the Mailman mailing list admin page), I could at least get word to everyone that the mailing list will be down until Monday. Bill -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Feature request: Emergency Broadcast
On Sun, Nov 22, 2009 at 12:55:31AM -0800, Bill Catambay wrote: Given my current situation (as rare as this situation may be), I have come to realize that an emergency broadcast feature would be an indispensable tool to have right now. Since my host made the alias change on my mailing list, but did not create the MX record for the new email, it is currently impossible to post to our mailing list via email. Fall back to A record(s)? I can't even tell people why the list isn't working. *spit* if you feel you must, and can access the web-interface, why not pull a list of subscribers, and blindly mail all of them. With an emergency broadcast feature on the website (a way to send a message to the list using the Mailman mailing list admin page), I could at least get word to everyone that the mailing list will be down until Monday. Although if there are no DNS records for the list, MTAs will probably reject your pseudo-list mail as part of their checks: so whilst the mail may send, it won't necessarily be received. I'd think using competent service providers, with prompt fix-times would be more useful. -- ``Any person who knowingly causes a nuclear weapon test explosion or any other nuclear explosion is guilty of an offence'' (Nuclear Explosions Act, 1998) -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Feature request: Emergency Broadcast
Bill Catambay wrote: Given my current situation (as rare as this situation may be), I have come to realize that an emergency broadcast feature would be an indispensable tool to have right now. Since my host made the alias change on my mailing list, but did not create the MX record for the new email, it is currently impossible to post to our mailing list via email. I can't even tell people why the list isn't working. I think you misunderstood my prior post. The issue has nothing directly to do with MX records. The problem (I think) is the MX records for the domain (DNS records are for domains, not email addresses) point to servers that apparently have not been configured to relay the foo-list-mod local address to the Mailman server. This is a MTA configuration issue on the MX MTAs, not a DNS issue. With an emergency broadcast feature on the website (a way to send a message to the list using the Mailman mailing list admin page), I could at least get word to everyone that the mailing list will be down until Monday. This could be done with bin/inject on the Mailman server to inject a message directly into Mailman's in/ queue bypassing the MTA, but you don't have the required access. Since you don't have the required access, I do see the need in your case, but this won't happen before MM3 if then. You could do as Adam McGreggor suggests and just send one or more BCC type emails to the subscribers. See http://wiki.list.org/x/aYA9. -- Mark Sapiro m...@msapiro.netThe highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Feature request: Emergency Broadcast
On Nov 22, 2009, at 9:36 AM, Mark Sapiro wrote: This could be done with bin/inject on the Mailman server to inject a message directly into Mailman's in/ queue bypassing the MTA, but you don't have the required access. Since you don't have the required access, I do see the need in your case, but this won't happen before MM3 if then. We can repeat the mantra -- Mailman was *NEVER* designed to be used in a Service Provider environment, especially not with multiple customers who may have very different needs, and most especially not when the Service Provider in question doesn't actually provide any of the necessary support to go along with the software. If I could shoot every single service provider who just threw up whatever kind of crap they thought they could make stick and make a point of avoiding all the necessary support, there would be many, many fewer crappy providers in this world. At the very least, you should find a different provider where they actually give you the support you require. -- Brad Knowles bradknow...@shub-internet.org LinkedIn Profile: http://tinyurl.com/y8kpxu -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Feature request: Emergency Broadcast
The weekend crew at my ISP are general tech support (i.e., they really only handle internet connection issues). My ISP does have an Operations group which usually are pretty knowledgeable, but I they simply aren't working on the weekend. For what it's worth, they are the best ISP I have had in 20 years (and I've been through a few). They are rated #1 in customer support in the Bay Area for a reason, and for that reason I would never find a new ISP. I'm still hopeful that they can get me through the Mailman customization I am requesting. When I used Autoshare listserver software, it ran on my home server (a Mac), and I never had to rely on anyone for support (handled everything myself). Unfortunately, that software has not been updated in over 10 years and is no longer supported (there isn't even a version that runs on Mac OS X, only a classic version). I noticed my ISP offered mailing lists (using Mailman), and I made the move this year to migrate all my lists. Bill At 2:35 PM -0600 on 11/22/09, Brad Knowles wrote: We can repeat the mantra -- Mailman was *NEVER* designed to be used in a Service Provider environment, especially not with multiple customers who may have very different needs, and most especially not when the Service Provider in question doesn't actually provide any of the necessary support to go along with the software. If I could shoot every single service provider who just threw up whatever kind of crap they thought they could make stick and make a point of avoiding all the necessary support, there would be many, many fewer crappy providers in this world. At the very least, you should find a different provider where they actually give you the support you require. -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Feature request: Emergency Broadcast
On 11/22/09 2:53 PM, Bill Catambay at and...@excaliburworld.com wrote: When I used Autoshare listserver software, it ran on my home server (a Mac), and I never had to rely on anyone for support (handled everything myself). Unfortunately, that software has not been updated in over 10 years and is no longer supported (there isn't even a version that runs on Mac OS X, only a classic version). I noticed my ISP offered mailing lists (using Mailman), and I made the move this year to migrate all my lists. Assuming you can still run servers at home with your ISP, you can run Mailman on Max OS X. While Apple provides a modified version with OS X Server, it is easy to install from source on OS X client and instructions to do so can be found in the Archived. I am currently running Mailman 2.1.12 on Leopard (on a PPC iMac not that that will make any difference). -- Larry Stone lston...@stonejongleux.com http://www.stonejongleux.com/ -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Feature request: Emergency Broadcast
On 22-Nov-2009, at 13:53, Bill Catambay wrote: When I used Autoshare listserver software, it ran on my home server (a Mac), and I never had to rely on anyone for support (handled everything myself). Unfortunately, that software has not been updated in over 10 years and is no longer supported (there isn't even a version that runs on Mac OS X, only a classic version). I noticed my ISP offered mailing lists (using Mailman), and I made the move this year to migrate all my list Run mailman on your OS X machine. Setup postfix on your OS X machine to relay via your ISP. There you go, no muss, no fuss, and no relying on anyone else. -- I thought that they were angels, but to my surprise, we climbed aboard their starship, we headed for the skies. -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Feature request: Emergency Broadcast
On Nov 22, 2009, at 9:36 AM, Mark Sapiro wrote: This could be done with bin/inject on the Mailman server to inject a message directly into Mailman's in/ queue bypassing the MTA, but you don't have the required access. Since you don't have the required access, I do see the need in your case, but this won't happen before MM3 if then. We can repeat the mantra -- Mailman was *NEVER* designed to be used in a Service Provider environment, especially not with multiple customers who may have very different needs, and most especially not when the Service Provider in question doesn't actually provide any of the necessary support to go along with the software. If I could shoot every single service provider who just threw up whatever kind of crap they thought they could make stick and make a point of avoiding all the necessary support, there would be many, many fewer crappy providers in this world. At the very least, you should find a different provider where they actually give you the support you require. -- Brad Knowles bradknow...@shub-internet.org LinkedIn Profile: http://tinyurl.com/y8kpxu -- And I would suspect Brad, that would include most [if not all] CPanel installs. I've had three ISPs WITH CP and the CP version of MM. NONE of the ISP Tech 'levels' know [and apparently do NOT care] next to nothing about MM. In a couple on instances I have HAD to tell Bluehost Level 3 Tech what to do THANKS to MM-users Listers [from reading their probs] with the inputs of Mark being the Godsend VBG !!! Ed -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Feature request: Emergency Broadcast
Brad Knowles wrote: At the very least, you should find a different provider where they actually give you the support you require. Brad, crappy providers aside, do you think this might be a useful feature? I remember a few occasion when I needed to grab the subscribers list and email everyone personally. Doing it from the main interface could be useful as an announcement feature, although I am unsure if it fits with what the vision of mailman is. -- Brad Knowles bradknow...@shub-internet.org LinkedIn Profile: http://tinyurl.com/y8kpxu -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/ge%40linuxbox.org -- Gadi Evron, g...@linuxbox.org. Blog: http://gevron.livejournal.com/ -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Feature request: Emergency Broadcast
On 22-Nov-2009, at 17:14, Gadi Evron wrote: Brad, crappy providers aside, do you think this might be a useful feature? It could be useful in a very narrow set of circumstances. the question is, is it worth putting resources into such a feature for those very few times this would be useful? My sense is that getting the list of users and sending a Bcc to them is a workable solution, but I'm not tied to that position. -- If I were willing to change my morals for convenience or financial gain, we wouldn't be arguing, because I'd already *be* a Republican. -- Wil Shipley -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Feature request: Emergency Broadcast
LuKreme wrote: On 22-Nov-2009, at 17:14, Gadi Evron wrote: Brad, crappy providers aside, do you think this might be a useful feature? It could be useful in a very narrow set of circumstances. the question is, is it worth putting resources into such a feature for those very few times this would be useful? My sense is that getting the list of users and sending a Bcc to them is a workable solution, but I'm not tied to that position. I'm going to go with useful, but not useful enough to put major resources into implementing Maybe a nice in-between solution would be making sure the FAQ/Documentation had an entry saying if you need to get an emergency message out and Mailman is not working, here's how to get the whole subscriber list and send a Bcc'ed mail Anyone want to volunteer to stick that in the wiki so people can find it in the future? (Or just write up a quick definition and email me, and I can stick it in the wiki in the appropriate place.) Terri -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
