Re: [Mailman-Users] List is too moderated. :-(

[William Bagwell]

On Thursday 07 January 2010, John Fitzsimons wrote:
> Okay, I think I have messed up somewhere. Using version 2.1.11.cp3
> I have setup new member applications to require approval. To avoid
> just anyone joining the list.
>
> That works fine. I get an email to allow/disallow them as subscribers.
> The problem however is that even though they become "members"
> I need to "approve' each new email.
>
> How/where in the web interface do I set things up to block anyone
> subscribing themselves without my approval BUT once becoming
> a member to post without needing any further authorisation from me
> as administrator.

With 2.1.12.cp3 it is Membership Management, Membership List,
Set everyone's moderation bit... Set to Off

And as Adam previously posted, Privacy options, What steps are required 
for subscription? Set to Require approval
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Setting up redundant mailing lists inOSXSnowLeopard.

[Mark Sapiro]

JRC Groups wrote:
>
>On 1/4/10 9:38 AM, "Mark Sapiro"  wrote:
>
>> But you probably don't need to mung the reply-to, at least for the
>> sublists. Assuming no reply-to munging at all, the original post will
>> always be From: the OP and To: the umbrella. Thus reply will go to the
>> OP and reply-all to the OP and the umbrella, just as for a
>> non-umbrella case.
>
>Shouldn't it be the other way around ? Most lists I either belong or have
>belonged to work the opposite way. Reply always sends to the list and Reply
>All goes to the list and OP.


This is a very old argument with hardened opinions on both sides. See
 and
.

All I will say here is that if you put a Reply-To:  in the
delivered posts, it makes it difficult to reply to the poster since
the post is From:  and To:  with Reply-To: . For most MUAs (and per RFCs) Reply-To: overrides From: for
purposes of replying so 'reply' goes to the list and 'reply all' goes
to the list (Reply-To:) and the list (To:).


>> If you want to mung a reply-to, munging the umbrella to reply-to the
>> umbrella should suffice as that reply-to will pass through the
>> sublists unchanged.
>> 
>> The only place you have a problem is if the member's MUA offers list
>> reply based on the List-Post: header. This then may go to that
>> member's sublist only. The answer to this is to set
>> include_rfc2369_headers or at least include_list_post_header to No on
>> the sublists.
>
>Since I have no way of knowing these details for every subscriber (whether
>the subscriber's MUA offers reply based on the List-Post: header as you
>stated) would it cause any problems to make it standard procedure to set
>those commands to no as you suggested above ?


Mailman is somewhat deficient in this area as far as being fully RFC
2369 compliant when sublists are involved. Strictly speaking, the
List-Unsubscribe header in a received post should be from the sub list
that the recipient is subscribed to, but in your case, the List-Post:
header should be for the parent. The closest you can come is to set
include_rfc2369_headers and include_list_post_header both to Yes on
the parent (you can't include List-Post: without including the others)
and set include_list_post_header to No on the children.

Whether to set include_rfc2369_headers to Yes or to No on the children
is a toss-up. Yes will include both list's headers which could be
confusing, but No will include only the parent's headers which may not
be the preferable ones.

As far as causing problems, the only significant problem is that some
MUA that offers an unsubscribe based on the List-Unsubscribe: header
may go to the parent list instead of the relevant child. The avoidance
is to set include_rfc2369_headers to No on all the lists. You will be
omitting some desirable information, but at least there won't be any
wrong information.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Setting up redundant mailing lists in OSXSnowLeopard.

[JRC Groups]

Hi, Mark.

On 1/4/10 9:38 AM, "Mark Sapiro"  wrote:

> But you probably don't need to mung the reply-to, at least for the
> sublists. Assuming no reply-to munging at all, the original post will
> always be From: the OP and To: the umbrella. Thus reply will go to the
> OP and reply-all to the OP and the umbrella, just as for a
> non-umbrella case.

Shouldn't it be the other way around ? Most lists I either belong or have
belonged to work the opposite way. Reply always sends to the list and Reply
All goes to the list and OP.

> If you want to mung a reply-to, munging the umbrella to reply-to the
> umbrella should suffice as that reply-to will pass through the
> sublists unchanged.
> 
> The only place you have a problem is if the member's MUA offers list
> reply based on the List-Post: header. This then may go to that
> member's sublist only. The answer to this is to set
> include_rfc2369_headers or at least include_list_post_header to No on
> the sublists.

Since I have no way of knowing these details for every subscriber (whether
the subscriber's MUA offers reply based on the List-Post: header as you
stated) would it cause any problems to make it standard procedure to set
those commands to no as you suggested above ?

Thank you for your help.

Joe


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Re: [Mailman-Users] Setting up redundant mailing lists in OS XSnowLeopard.

[JRC Groups]

On 1/4/10 9:11 AM, "Geoff Shang"  wrote:

> On Mon, 4 Jan 2010, JRC Groups wrote:
> 
>> This is indeed the case. All subscribers will either belong to one list or
>> the other. Never both. One of the issues I noticed when reading the post has
>> to do with replies from subscribers. Considering subscribers are either
>> receiving mail from Sublist1 or Sublist2 but post are mailed to
>> UmbrellaList1 what happens when a subscriber replies to a post ? Since he
>> received it from (let's say) Sublist1 wouldn't the reply be sent back to the
>> same list ? How can this be resolved  in setting up this system ?
> 
> Set each sublist to reply to a specific address and fill in your posting
> address there.  This is in the General settings.
> 
> Cheers,
> Geoff.

This is what I needed to know. It seems this will be simple enough to
set-up.

Thanks, Geoff.

Joe 


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Re: [Mailman-Users] Archives Index Page Blank

[Mark Sapiro]

Brian Carpenter wrote:
>
>I think I figured out what the problem is. cPanel in its latest release is
>now calculating the disk space used by an account's mailing list(s). The
>error message I found regarding this particular user was "disk quoted
>exceeded" messages. The problem here is this particular user is only using
>60% of his allotted disk space. That seems to be a problem with cPanel's
>implementation of this new feature.
>
>What seems to be a bug in mailman however is the nulling out of the
>index.html page when this particular error occurs. Here is the complete
>error message in the error log:


Mailman can't control this. Mailman opens the file for output in order
to write the new index. This sets the file size to zero. It then
writes the file which writes are buffered and finally closes the file
resulting in a physical write attempt to the disk which is denied by
the OS for Disk quota exceeded which leaves the file at zero size.

If there is a bug anywhere (besides the obvious one of wrongly thinking
the user is over quota), it is the OS allowing the file to be
truncated when it thinks the user is over quota and therefore won't
allow the actual write. I.e. the OS could disallow the open for output
when it thinks the user is over quota, but Mailman doesn't know
anything about this. It just does what any process would do to open a
file for output and write its new contents until the OS shoots it down.


>Jan 07 17:19:06 2010 (7341) Traceback (most recent call last):
>  File "/usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line
>120, in _oneloop
>self._onefile(msg, msgdata)
>  File "/usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line
>191, in _onefile
>keepqueued = self._dispose(mlist, msg, msgdata)
>  File "/usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/mailman/Mailman/Queue/ArchRunner.py",
>line 73, in _dispose
>mlist.ArchiveMail(msg)
>  File "/usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/Archiver.py",
>line 216, in ArchiveMail
>h.processUnixMailbox(f)
>  File "/usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/pipermail.py",
>line 580, in processUnixMailbox
>self.add_article(a)
>  File "/usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/pipermail.py",
>line 621, in add_article
>filename))
>  File "/usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/HyperArch.py",
>line 1119, in write_article
>f.close()
>IOError: [Errno 122] Disk quota exceeded


Actually, this traceback is not from truncating the TOC. This is a
failure to write the article html file. This time it didn't get as far
as trying to update the TOC. It appears that a prior attempt succeeded
in writing an article, but writing the TOC failed, but that seems
really strange since I would think that could happen at most once to
one TOC before article writes started failing as above.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Archives Index Page Blank

[Brian Carpenter]

> -Original Message-
> From: Mark Sapiro [mailto:m...@msapiro.net]
> Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2010 9:45 PM
> To: Brian Carpenter; mailman-users@python.org
> Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Archives Index Page Blank
> 
> Brian Carpenter wrote:
> >
> >I was notified by a client that his archives for his list was not
> showing
> >up. When I investigated, I found out all of his archive index pages
> are
> >blank, i.e. file size 0. He has 13 lists. The server he is on is a
> shared
> >hosting server with other mailman lists (cpanel environment). However
> this
> >issue did not affect any other clients. What in the world could have
> zeroed
> >out his archive index page (index.html) on all of his lists? Any
> ideas?
> 
> 
> Is it only the archives/private/LISTNAME/index.html files that are
> null? Is everything else in the archives/private/LISTNAME/ directories
> as it should be including the files in
> archives/private/LISTNAME/database?
> 
> The archives/private/LISTNAME/index.html file is rewritten with every
> post and never with no data unless the archtoc.html (or
> archtocnombox.html) and arctocentry.html templates are empty.
> 
> Is there anything in Mailman's error log?
> 
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Hi Mark,

I think I figured out what the problem is. cPanel in its latest release is
now calculating the disk space used by an account's mailing list(s). The
error message I found regarding this particular user was "disk quoted
exceeded" messages. The problem here is this particular user is only using
60% of his allotted disk space. That seems to be a problem with cPanel's
implementation of this new feature.

What seems to be a bug in mailman however is the nulling out of the
index.html page when this particular error occurs. Here is the complete
error message in the error log:

Jan 07 17:19:06 2010 (7341) Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line
120, in _oneloop
self._onefile(msg, msgdata)
  File "/usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line
191, in _onefile
keepqueued = self._dispose(mlist, msg, msgdata)
  File "/usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/mailman/Mailman/Queue/ArchRunner.py",
line 73, in _dispose
mlist.ArchiveMail(msg)
  File "/usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/Archiver.py",
line 216, in ArchiveMail
h.processUnixMailbox(f)
  File "/usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/pipermail.py",
line 580, in processUnixMailbox
self.add_article(a)
  File "/usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/pipermail.py",
line 621, in add_article
filename))
  File "/usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/HyperArch.py",
line 1119, in write_article
f.close()
IOError: [Errno 122] Disk quota exceeded

Brian
EMWD.com

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Archives Index Page Blank

[Mark Sapiro]

Brian Carpenter wrote:
>
>I was notified by a client that his archives for his list was not showing
>up. When I investigated, I found out all of his archive index pages are
>blank, i.e. file size 0. He has 13 lists. The server he is on is a shared
>hosting server with other mailman lists (cpanel environment). However this
>issue did not affect any other clients. What in the world could have zeroed
>out his archive index page (index.html) on all of his lists? Any ideas?


Is it only the archives/private/LISTNAME/index.html files that are
null? Is everything else in the archives/private/LISTNAME/ directories
as it should be including the files in
archives/private/LISTNAME/database?

The archives/private/LISTNAME/index.html file is rewritten with every
post and never with no data unless the archtoc.html (or
archtocnombox.html) and arctocentry.html templates are empty.

Is there anything in Mailman's error log?

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[Mailman-Users] Archives Index Page Blank

[Brian Carpenter]

Hello MM Community

 

I was notified by a client that his archives for his list was not showing
up. When I investigated, I found out all of his archive index pages are
blank, i.e. file size 0. He has 13 lists. The server he is on is a shared
hosting server with other mailman lists (cpanel environment). However this
issue did not affect any other clients. What in the world could have zeroed
out his archive index page (index.html) on all of his lists? Any ideas?

 

Needless to say I am quite concerned and confused.

 

Thanks.

 

Regards,

Brian Carpenter

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Re: [Mailman-Users] List is too moderated. :-(

[Mark Sapiro]

John Fitzsimons wrote:
>
>My question however was in regards to the other direction. I was
>hoping someone here may know how things work the other way. 
>
>Would someone who wasn't a member of the list be able to post via
>Gmane NNTP ? If they could then the news post would presumably 
>be forwarded to the list ? Avoiding "authentication" barriers.


Yes. If gateway_to_mail is Yes (and cron/gate_news is being run) all
new posts to the newsgroup that didn't originate from the Mailman list
will be posted to the list.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] List is too moderated. :-(

[John Fitzsimons]

On Thu, 7 Jan 2010 16:27:39 -0800, Mark Sapiro wrote:
 
>John Fitzsimons wrote:

>>Well, actually I am porting to/from a news server. Gmane.

>>< snip >

>>I had set "The moderation policy of the newsgroup" to "moderated".
>>Thank you. This may be where my problem is. If I now set that to
>>"none" then do you, or anyone else here, know whether posts will 
>>go to the newsgroup by non Mailman members ?

>No post will be gated to the newsgroup from the list that is not
>accepted by the list.

Okay, that is the list > newsgroup direction.

>Please read the page linked from Mail<->News gateways -> (Details for
>news_moderation) for a fuller description of these settings. Among
>other things you will see

> If the newsgroup is moderated, you can set this mailing list up to be
> the moderation address for the newsgroup. By selecting Moderated, an
> additional posting hold will be placed in the approval process. All
> messages posted to the mailing list will have to be approved before
> being sent on to the newsgroup, or to the mailing list membership. 

>This is apparently what you set, but not what you want. I think you
>want None which means that any post accepted by the list will also be
>forwarded to the newsgroup, but without adding an Approved: header.

Yes, that direction is what I want.

>In any event, non-member posts to the list will be dealt with according
>to *_these_nonmembers and generic_nonmember_action, and if they aren't
>accepted for the list, they will not be forwarded to the newsgroup.

My question however was in regards to the other direction. I was
hoping someone here may know how things work the other way. 

Would someone who wasn't a member of the list be able to post via
Gmane NNTP ? If they could then the news post would presumably 
be forwarded to the list ? Avoiding "authentication" barriers.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] List is too moderated. :-(

[Mark Sapiro]

John Fitzsimons wrote:
>
>Well, actually I am porting to/from a news server. Gmane.
>
>< snip >
>
>I had set "The moderation policy of the newsgroup" to "moderated".
>Thank you. This may be where my problem is. If I now set that to
>"none" then do you, or anyone else here, know whether posts will 
>go to the newsgroup by non Mailman members ?


No post will be gated to the newsgroup from the list that is not
accepted by the list.

Please read the page linked from Mail<->News gateways -> (Details for
news_moderation) for a fuller description of these settings. Among
other things you will see

 If the newsgroup is moderated, you can set this mailing list up to be
 the moderation address for the newsgroup. By selecting Moderated, an
 additional posting hold will be placed in the approval process. All
 messages posted to the mailing list will have to be approved before
 being sent on to the newsgroup, or to the mailing list membership. 

This is apparently what you set, but not what you want. I think you
want None which means that any post accepted by the list will also be
forwarded to the newsgroup, but without adding an Approved: header.

In any event, non-member posts to the list will be dealt with according
to *_these_nonmembers and generic_nonmember_action, and if they aren't
accepted for the list, they will not be forwarded to the newsgroup.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] List is too moderated. :-(

[John Fitzsimons]

On Thu, 7 Jan 2010 18:00:12 -0500, J.R. Constance wrote:
 
>On Jan 7, 2010, at 5:21 PM, John Fitzsimons wrote:

< snip >

>> I have list membership set at "Require approval" but once someone has
>> become a subscriber I want their emails to go to the list without my
>> getting an email that says...

>You have the correct setting for this.

Thank you.

< snip >

>Here's what you need to do.

< snip >

Thank you.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] List is too moderated. :-(

[John Fitzsimons]

On Fri, 8 Jan 2010 01:08:59 +0200 (IST), Geoff Shang wrote:
 
>On Fri, 8 Jan 2010, John Fitzsimons wrote:

>> Well, not everyone is a unix expert. I need to use CPanel.

>The point is that CPanel include their own version of Mailman with changes 
>that they've not released back to the community, and therefore only other 
>CPanel users can really comment authoritatively on CPanel Mailman 
>installations as regular users don't know what CPanel have changed.

Well, I thought by quoting version 2.1.11.cp3 that that meant CPanel 3
? That people here may be familiar with it.

< snip >

>> If I set the list to un-moderated then will non members be able to
>> post ?

>No.  This is influenced by the Default Non-member Action item on the same 
>page (Privacy/Sender Filters).

Thanks, that's a relief.

< snip >

Thank you.  :-)

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Re: [Mailman-Users] List is too moderated. :-(

[John Fitzsimons]

On Thu, 7 Jan 2010 15:17:52 -0800, Mark Sapiro wrote:
 
>John Fitzsimons wrote:

< snip >

>As Adam said, go to the list's web admin interface Privacy options...
>-> Sender filters and set default_member_moderation to No so future
>new members won't be moderated by default.

Done.

>Then go to Membership Management -> Membership List, scroll down to
>Additional Member Tasks and under "Set everyone's moderation bit,
>including those members not currently visible" select Off and press Set

>These changes have nothing to do with subscribe_policy for which you
>apparently do want require approval.

Yes, thank you for making things clearer.

>It appears though that the reason that your list's posts are held is
>"Posting to a moderated newsgroup". This is because on the admin
>Mail<->News gateways page, you have gateway_to_news = Yes and
>news_moderation set to Moderated. Is this what you mean by "moderated"
>below?

Actually I thought that "moderated" meant that one had to be an
"approved" subscriber.

>>I am beginning to think that my setting the list to "moderated" means
>>that even subscribers are moderated. That isn't what I wanted.

>If this is the setting on the Mail<->News gateways page, those all have
>to do with gatewaying to/from a usenet group via NNTP. I suspect you
>are not really doing that in which case both gateway_to_news and
>gateway_to_mail should be set to No.

Well, actually I am porting to/from a news server. Gmane.

< snip >

I had set "The moderation policy of the newsgroup" to "moderated".
Thank you. This may be where my problem is. If I now set that to
"none" then do you, or anyone else here, know whether posts will 
go to the newsgroup by non Mailman members ?

Thanks again everyone. You have all been a big help to make things
clearer for me.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] List is too moderated. :-(

[J . R . Constance]

On Jan 7, 2010, at 5:21 PM, John Fitzsimons wrote:

> Well, not everyone is a unix expert. I need to use CPanel.

As do I. I have over 30 Mailman lists running on several different domains 
using CPanel. 

> 
> I have list membership set at "Require approval" but once someone has
> become a subscriber I want their emails to go to the list without my
> getting an email that says...

You have the correct setting for this.

> 
> As list administrator, your authorization is requested for the
> following mailing list posting:
> 
>List:
>From:xx
>Subject: xxx
>Reason:  Posting to a moderated newsgroup
> 
> At your convenience, visit:.
> 
> Does anyone here know how to let subscribers post without getting that
> notice please ? Using CPanel.
> 
> I am beginning to think that my setting the list to "moderated" means
> that even subscribers are moderated. That isn't what I wanted.

But that's what Moderation does.

> 
> If I set the list to un-moderated then will non members be able to
> post ? If non members will NOT be able to post then where on 
> CPanel can I change things to un-moderated please ?

Individuals who are not subscribed to the list will not be able to post to the 
list without approval. For anyone who is not a current subscriber you (or the 
moderator) will receive a Request for approval like the one you listed above, 
and you can take appropriate action.

Here's what you need to do.

1.  Under Privacy Options -> Sender Filters , where it says:

By default, should new list member postings be moderated? 

Change the setting back to "No", then click on the "Submit Your Changes" button 
at the bottom of the page.

2.  Go to Membership Management. If  you look at the column that says "mod", 
all of the boxes are probably checked. So, at the bottom of the page, where it 
says:

Set everyone's moderation bit, including those members not currently visible

Change that to "Off" and then click "Set"

Alternatively, you could leave Privacy Options in place, so that every new 
subscriber is automatically set to be moderated, and then you can do step 2 to 
remove the moderation later.

Hope that helps.

J.R.


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Re: [Mailman-Users] List is too moderated. :-(

[Mark Sapiro]

John Fitzsimons wrote:

>On Thu, 7 Jan 2010 13:16:30 +, Adam McGreggor wrote:
> 
>>On Fri, Jan 08, 2010 at 12:09:55AM +1100, John Fitzsimons wrote:
>
>>> How/where in the web interface do I set things up to block anyone
>>> subscribing themselves without my approval BUT once becoming 
>>> a member to post without needing any further authorisation from me 
>>> as administrator.
> 
>>> Can someone here help me with this please ?
>
>>On 'normal' Mailman, the option is "default_member_moderation", 
>>(Privacy -> Sender).
>
>Thank you.
[...]
>I have list membership set at "Require approval" but once someone has
>become a subscriber I want their emails to go to the list without my
>getting an email that says...
>
>As list administrator, your authorization is requested for the
>following mailing list posting:
>
>List:
>From:xx
>Subject: xxx
>Reason:  Posting to a moderated newsgroup
>
>At your convenience, visit:.
>
>Does anyone here know how to let subscribers post without getting that
>notice please ? Using CPanel.


As Adam said, go to the list's web admin interface Privacy options...
-> Sender filters and set default_member_moderation to No so future
new members won't be moderated by default.

Then go to Membership Management -> Membership List, scroll down to
Additional Member Tasks and under "Set everyone's moderation bit,
including those members not currently visible" select Off and press Set

These changes have nothing to do with subscribe_policy for which you
apparently do want require approval.

It appears though that the reason that your list's posts are held is
"Posting to a moderated newsgroup". This is because on the admin
Mail<->News gateways page, you have gateway_to_news = Yes and
news_moderation set to Moderated. Is this what you mean by "moderated"
below?


>I am beginning to think that my setting the list to "moderated" means
>that even subscribers are moderated. That isn't what I wanted.


If this is the setting on the Mail<->News gateways page, those all have
to do with gatewaying to/from a usenet group via NNTP. I suspect you
are not really doing that in which case both gateway_to_news and
gateway_to_mail should be set to No.


>If I set the list to un-moderated then will non members be able to
>post ? If non members will NOT be able to post then where on 
>CPanel can I change things to un-moderated please ?


Non-member posting is controlled by Privacy options... -> Sender
filters *_these_nonmembers and generic_nonmember_action.


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Re: [Mailman-Users] List is too moderated. :-(

[Geoff Shang]

On Fri, 8 Jan 2010, John Fitzsimons wrote:


I don't know if CPanel have futzed with that, never having used their
bastardization.


Well, not everyone is a unix expert. I need to use CPanel.


The point is that CPanel include their own version of Mailman with changes 
that they've not released back to the community, and therefore only other 
CPanel users can really comment authoritatively on CPanel Mailman 
installations as regular users don't know what CPanel have changed.



I have list membership set at "Require approval" but once someone has
become a subscriber I want their emails to go to the list without my
getting an email that says...

As list administrator, your authorization is requested for the
following mailing list posting:

   List:
   From:xx
   Subject: xxx
   Reason:  Posting to a moderated newsgroup

At your convenience, visit:.

Does anyone here know how to let subscribers post without getting that
notice please ? Using CPanel.


Maybe it's the same way as in the regular version (i.e. Privacy 
Options/Sender Filters/Default Member Moderation.



I am beginning to think that my setting the list to "moderated" means
that even subscribers are moderated. That isn't what I wanted.


Correct, that's what it means.


If I set the list to un-moderated then will non members be able to
post ?


No.  This is influenced by the Default Non-member Action item on the same 
page (Privacy/Sender Filters).



If non members will NOT be able to post then where on
CPanel can I change things to un-moderated please ?


I'd check the above first.  The other place it could be is if you've 
activated Emergency List Moderation which I think is on the General 
Options page.


HTH,
Geoff.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] List is too moderated. :-(

[John Fitzsimons]

On Thu, 7 Jan 2010 13:16:30 +, Adam McGreggor wrote:
 
>On Fri, Jan 08, 2010 at 12:09:55AM +1100, John Fitzsimons wrote:

>> How/where in the web interface do I set things up to block anyone
>> subscribing themselves without my approval BUT once becoming 
>> a member to post without needing any further authorisation from me 
>> as administrator.
 
>> Can someone here help me with this please ?

>On 'normal' Mailman, the option is "default_member_moderation", 
>(Privacy -> Sender).

Thank you.

>I don't know if CPanel have futzed with that, never having used their
>bastardization.

Well, not everyone is a unix expert. I need to use CPanel.

I have list membership set at "Require approval" but once someone has
become a subscriber I want their emails to go to the list without my
getting an email that says...

As list administrator, your authorization is requested for the
following mailing list posting:

List:
From:xx
Subject: xxx
Reason:  Posting to a moderated newsgroup

At your convenience, visit:.

Does anyone here know how to let subscribers post without getting that
notice please ? Using CPanel.

I am beginning to think that my setting the list to "moderated" means
that even subscribers are moderated. That isn't what I wanted.

If I set the list to un-moderated then will non members be able to
post ? If non members will NOT be able to post then where on 
CPanel can I change things to un-moderated please ?


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Re: [Mailman-Users] export of suscriber list?

[Jeff Weinberger]

On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 6:28 AM, Mark Sapiro  wrote:

> Jeff Weinberger wrote:
> >
> >I need to export the list of e-mails subscribed to one list. Is there a
> way
> >to do that? (text file, database form, etc. are all ok...)
>
>
> See the FAQ at .
>
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Mark (and Alan for your earlier response)  -Thank you!

Appreciate you pointing out the obvious that I missed :)  and appreciate
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Oddity with list_members

[Mark Sapiro]

Bernie Cosell wrote:

>I'm having some trouble with list_members.  I do a list and I see several 
>entries that don't show up in the GUI "Membership List" listings.  And 
>the other way around:


Are you absolutely certain that you aren't looking at two different
lists?


>I got a complaint from a former list member that 
>they were still receiving messages, but list_members did *NOT* list 
>them... but going into the GUI the member was there [and I unsubbed him 
>from the gui].  That got me to checking and I discovered thatAnother odd 
>anomaly: the list_members list is almost entirely in alphabetical order 
>by email addr... *except* for one address that ought to have been with 
>the  addrs and came at the very end of the list.


The output from bin/list_members is in two groups: first the regular
members in alpha order followed by the digest members in alpha order.
Possibly the  addrs is the only digest member or possibly there
is a transparent character preceeding the 's'.


>Also, the gui 
>claims there are 326 members on the list, but list_members gives me 328.


What MM version is this? Prior to 2.1.12rc1 there was a bug that would
not list members in the admin Membership List if their address began
with a non letter/digit.


>The member that didn't show up on the list_members list (but was actually 
>subscribed) showed up as just an ordinary list member on the GUI 
>membership list [no "nomail" or anything like that].  And I can't tell 
>anything about members that show up on list_mem but not on the gui -- I'm 
>not exactly sure if they're on the list or not.  [I'll have to dig 
>through the sendmail logs to see if they're actually receiving mailings 
>or not].
>
>Is this kind of thing indicative of something wrong in one of mailman's 
>DBs or something like that?   Should I be taking some kind of repair/fix 
>steps?  Thanks...


If there are addresses that appear on bin/list_members and not on the
list admin Membership List (not explained by the above bug) and vice
versa, I think there must be two lists. E.g., perhaps a test, demo,
backup or prior version of the list on a different server or in a
different path on the same server, and you are accessing one via the
web and another via bin/list_members.

Check your web server configuration and ensure that Mailman's
ScriptAlias points to the same prefix directory that contains the bin/
directory you're using.

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[Mailman-Users] Oddity with list_members

[Bernie Cosell]

I'm having some trouble with list_members.  I do a list and I see several 
entries that don't show up in the GUI "Membership List" listings.  And 
the other way around: I got a complaint from a former list member that 
they were still receiving messages, but list_members did *NOT* list 
them... but going into the GUI the member was there [and I unsubbed him 
from the gui].  That got me to checking and I discovered thatAnother odd 
anomaly: the list_members list is almost entirely in alphabetical order 
by email addr... *except* for one address that ought to have been with 
the  addrs and came at the very end of the list.  Also, the gui 
claims there are 326 members on the list, but list_members gives me 328.

The member that didn't show up on the list_members list (but was actually 
subscribed) showed up as just an ordinary list member on the GUI 
membership list [no "nomail" or anything like that].  And I can't tell 
anything about members that show up on list_mem but not on the gui -- I'm 
not exactly sure if they're on the list or not.  [I'll have to dig 
through the sendmail logs to see if they're actually receiving mailings 
or not].

Is this kind of thing indicative of something wrong in one of mailman's 
DBs or something like that?   Should I be taking some kind of repair/fix 
steps?  Thanks...

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Re: [Mailman-Users] export of suscriber list?

[Mark Sapiro]

Jeff Weinberger wrote:
>
>I need to export the list of e-mails subscribed to one list. Is there a way
>to do that? (text file, database form, etc. are all ok...)


See the FAQ at .

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Re: [Mailman-Users] export of suscriber list?

[Alan McKay]

Yeah, that is pretty easy.   In the ~mailman/bin directory there are a
number of commands like "list_members" (the one you are looking for).

On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 1:02 AM, Jeff Weinberger  wrote:
> I am hoping someone can point me in the right direction for what I hope is a
> simple issue
>
> I need to export the list of e-mails subscribed to one list. Is there a way
> to do that? (text file, database form, etc. are all ok...)
>




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[Mailman-Users] export of suscriber list?

[Jeff Weinberger]

I am hoping someone can point me in the right direction for what I hope is a
simple issue

I need to export the list of e-mails subscribed to one list. Is there a way
to do that? (text file, database form, etc. are all ok...)

Any help is appreciated!! Thank you!!

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Re: [Mailman-Users] List is too moderated. :-(

[Adam McGreggor]

On Fri, Jan 08, 2010 at 12:09:55AM +1100, John Fitzsimons wrote:
> How/where in the web interface do I set things up to block anyone
> subscribing themselves without my approval BUT once becoming 
> a member to post without needing any further authorisation from me 
> as administrator.
> 
> Can someone here help me with this please ?

On 'normal' Mailman, the option is "default_member_moderation", 
(Privacy -> Sender).

I don't know if CPanel have futzed with that, never having used their
bastardization.

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[Mailman-Users] List is too moderated. :-(

[John Fitzsimons]

Okay, I think I have messed up somewhere. Using version 2.1.11.cp3 
I have setup new member applications to require approval. To avoid
just anyone joining the list.

That works fine. I get an email to allow/disallow them as subscribers.
The problem however is that even though they become "members" 
I need to "approve' each new email.

How/where in the web interface do I set things up to block anyone
subscribing themselves without my approval BUT once becoming 
a member to post without needing any further authorisation from me 
as administrator.

Can someone here help me with this please ?

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Re: [Mailman-Users] unsubscribing addresses from domain in one fellswoop?

[Marie-Yvette INGABIRE]

Olda,

Vous débrouillez bien en français...j'ai compris ce que m'avais écris. je
vais donc contacter mon administrateur pour voir ce qu'il peut faire.

Merci

Marie-Yvette

Le 6 janvier 2010 22:06, Terri Oda  a écrit :

> Marie-Yvette,
>
> (Apologies en advance: je n'ecrit pas tellement bien en français.)
>
> Oui, les messages rejectés ne vais pas etre au archive -- c'est normal.  Si
> tu veut un record personel, vous pouvez t'envoyé un copie manuellement avec
> l'interface web chaque fois que vous rejet une message, ou vous pouvez
> utilizé l'option pour préserver au disque.
>
> Malheureusement, nous ne peuvons pas t'aider avec activer cet option: Vous
> avez contacté la liste mailman-users, une liste pour les personnes qui
> utilize le logiciel Mailman.  Mais pour activer cet option, il faut que vous
> contact votre adminstrateur du site pour votre liste specifique.  Je ne
> savent pas qui ce serait.
>
>  Terri
>
>
> Marie-Yvette INGABIRE wrote:
>
>> Bonjour,
>>
>> Je suis en train de configurer la catégorie une liste de distribution,
>> pour
>> avoir un archivage de message assez utile pour moi.
>>
>> Après les tests que j'ai faits jusqu'à maintenant, les messages approuvés
>> sont archivés, tandis que ceux qui sont rejetés, je ne trouve pas de
>> trace.
>> D'après la catégorie de configuration "*Filtre de contenu*", option
>> "*Détails
>> de filter action*" il y a différents choix. Quand on choisi de "Préserver"
>> les messages supprimés, ils expliquent que ces messages(rejetés) sont
>> sauvé
>> dans une "*file*" d'atteinte du disque pour que l'administrateur de la
>> liste
>> puisse les voir ou les récupérer s'il le veut ou les supprimer tout court.
>> Mais cet option est disponible seulement après activation par
>> l'administrateur du site.
>>
>> Est-il possible d'activer cet option ?
>>
>> Merci
>>
>> Cordialement,
>>
>> Marie Yvette Leguojeu
>>
>> 2010/1/6 Mark Sapiro 
>>
>>  Christopher Adams wrote:
>>>
 3) added a robots.txt file to specifically block that
 domain

>>>
>>> You are probably aware of this, but for those who may not be,
>>> legitimate search engines and such will honor your robots.txt file
>>> directives and meta tag (no)index,(no)follow directives in pages, but
>>> spammers and the like crawling your site for nefarious purposes will
>>> ignore them.
>>>
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