Re: [Mailman-Users] Is There a list member limitation?

[Stephen J. Turnbull]

Goodman, William writes:

 > We have a very busy mail server so I set it to 4 hours, when I used the 
 > default we had a mailq of over 200 everyday which slowed our
 > performance.
 > So it will keep trying to send it for 4 hours then it gets bounced.

Sure, but the main point is that the user can't find it in his/her
mailbox because that mailbox is "unavailable".

 > > to=, relay=mail.somewhere.com[212.137.44.179]:25,
 > > delay=8.3, delays=0.02/4.4/0.67/3.3, dsn=4.0.0, status=deferred (host
 > > mail.somewhere.com[212.137.44.179] said: 451 ...
 > > Requested mail action not taken: mailbox unavailable (in reply to RCPT
 > > TO command)) Jan 13 15:25:00 my-mailserver postfix/smtp[28262]:
 > > B405E2D858F

This looks like greylisting to me.  (Maybe broken; state of the art
greylisters tell you how long to wait before resending.)

Another possibility, especially if "somewhere" == aol or hotmail, is a
tarpit.  They think you may be spamming their members, and they're
forcing you to slow down.

I'll give you one scenario you might think about that connects a
couple of the symptoms you report.

1.  Some corresponding hosts have decided you might be a spammer, and
are rate limiting you by temporarily failing delivery to any mailbox.

2.  The queue built up not because of load on your server, but because
those hosts will only let you send to one address every 10 minutes
or something like that.

3.  When you cut the retry period to 4 hours, you simply arranged to
bounce mail that would eventually have succeeded in due time, but
you *must* pay that "due time" to succeed at those destinations.

If it's indeed one or more of the big services, they usually have an
AUP for lists.  You can register with them, provide bona fides (such
DKIM headers in your outgoing posts), and magically things will start
flowing well.  For smaller hosts, you might just negotiate directly
with the postmaster.

Another possibility is that you might want to just accept the
slowdown, but to reduce resources used by your host, instead of doing
the first retry very soon, you could wait several hours.
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Re: [Mailman-Users] host.domain.tld vs. domain.tld

[David Newman]

On 1/15/10 7:33 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote:
> David Newman wrote:
>> After migrating to new hardware, Mailman lists are working OK using the
>> form @mail.domain.tld, but mail sent to @domain.tld
>> bounces with an "User unknown in virtual mailbox table" error.
>>
>> This is a problem since some users expect @domain.tld to work.
>> So, I'm looking for help in getting either of these forms working:
>>
>> @mail.domain.tld
>> @domain.tld
>>
>> This error is odd in that the form @domain.tld worked on the
>> old server and I am using the exact same postfix and Mailman config
>> files as well as the same MySQL databases.
> 
> 
> My guess is that on the old server, domain.tld was in Postfix's
> mydestination so that addr...@domain.tld was a local address and only
> referred to alias_maps and not virtual_alias_maps, whereas on the new
> server domain.tld is a virtual_mailbox_domain, thus postfix is looking
> in virtual_mailbox_maps for addr...@domain.tld and not finding it..

Curiouser and curiouser.

First, thanks, this provided a clue for a fix.

Second, both old and new servers used the same postfix main.cf and
master.cf files. Both main.cf files had this line:

mydestination = $myhostname, localhost.$mydomain, localhost

which shouldn't have worked since (1) $mydomain wasn't defined anywhere
and (2) domain.tld wasn't invoked and (3) mail never was addressed to
localhost.$mydomain.

On the new server I changed this to:

mydomain = domain.tld
mydestination = $myhostname, $mydomain, localhost

and now list mail goes to either @mail.domain.tld or
domain.tld, as desired.

Puzzling, but thanks again.

dn





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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman, postfix and procmail

[Mark Sapiro]

Taylor, Marc wrote:
>
>I have an Ubuntu server running Mailman 2.1.9, Postfix 2.5.1 and
>procmail 3.22.  I have gotten mailman and postfix to work correctly
>using the postfix-to-mailman.py file.
>
>How does one integrate procmail into this mixture with the
>postfix-to-mailman.py file?  Is it possible to do this or does one have
>to configure postfix and mailman differently in order to have procmail
>do some filtering?


I understand that postfix_to_mailman.py is packaged with the
Debian/Ubuntu Mailman package, but it is 3rd party software, not
supported (officially at least) by the GNU Mailman project.

That said, one possibility might be to modify the mailman transport in
/etc/postfix/master.cf to invoke procmail instead of
postfix_to_mailman.py and then have procmail invoke
postfix_to_mailman.py for the mail it wants to deliver.

Another possibility is to modify postfix_to_mailman.py to invoje
procmail instead of Mailman's mail wrapper and then have procmail
invoke Mailman's wrapper to post the mail.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] host.domain.tld vs. domain.tld

[Mark Sapiro]

David Newman wrote:
>
>After migrating to new hardware, Mailman lists are working OK using the
>form @mail.domain.tld, but mail sent to @domain.tld
>bounces with an "User unknown in virtual mailbox table" error.
>
>This is a problem since some users expect @domain.tld to work.
>So, I'm looking for help in getting either of these forms working:
>
>@mail.domain.tld
>@domain.tld
>
>This error is odd in that the form @domain.tld worked on the
>old server and I am using the exact same postfix and Mailman config
>files as well as the same MySQL databases.


My guess is that on the old server, domain.tld was in Postfix's
mydestination so that addr...@domain.tld was a local address and only
referred to alias_maps and not virtual_alias_maps, whereas on the new
server domain.tld is a virtual_mailbox_domain, thus postfix is looking
in virtual_mailbox_maps for addr...@domain.tld and not finding it..

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[Mailman-Users] Mailman, postfix and procmail

[Taylor, Marc]

Good evening,

I have a question that I am not quite sure how to pose but here it goes:

I have an Ubuntu server running Mailman 2.1.9, Postfix 2.5.1 and
procmail 3.22.  I have gotten mailman and postfix to work correctly
using the postfix-to-mailman.py file.

How does one integrate procmail into this mixture with the
postfix-to-mailman.py file?  Is it possible to do this or does one have
to configure postfix and mailman differently in order to have procmail
do some filtering?

Thanks in advance.

Marc Taylor
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[Mailman-Users] Puzzle Regarding Sender Header

[David Eisner]

I just moved a Mailman setup from one server to another.  This is
Mailman 2.1.12, with one modification, described in this message:[1]
Basically, I change the Sender header in SMTPDirect.py so it comes
from the -admin address rather than the -bounce address:

# msg['Sender'] = envsender
msg['Sender'] = mlist.getListAddress('admin')

The new server has two network interfaces.  Each interface has its own
IP.  The second interface has a single IP, call it 127.0.0.2, with two
hostnames mapped to it:

  intranet.foo.org. A 127.0.0.2
  lists.foo.org A 127.0.0.2

The reverse DNS mapping for 127.0.0.2 points to intranet.foo.org.

I've set the host_name for all the lists to be 'lists.foo.org'.  I
also set DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST and DEFAULT_URL_HOST to 'lists.foo.org'.
I also ran fix_url for all the lists.

Everything is working fine, except for one problem: the Sender: header
in messages is 'listname-ad...@intranet.foo.org' rather than the
desired 'listname-ad...@lists.foo.org'.

I added this to mm_cfg.py, but it didn't help:

  DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = 'lists.foo.org'
  DEFAULT_URL_HOST = 'lists.foo.org'
  add_virtualhost(DEFAULT_URL_HOST, DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST)


The weird thing is that if I use withlist, it tells me the list
address is 'lists.foo.org' (I've obfuscated the hostname consistent
with the rest of this message):

$ withlist -l test
Loading list test (locked)
The variable `m' is the test MailList instance
>>> m.getListAddress('admin')
'test-ad...@lists.foo.org'
>>> m.getListAddress()
't...@lists.foo.org'
>>>

I undid my patch as a sanity check, but it does what I'd expect: the
Sender: header is now "test-boun...@intranet.foo.org" rather than
"test-ad...@intranet.foo.org", but not "test-boun...@lists.foo.org".

Any ideas?  Thanks.

-David

[1] http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2009-March/065568.html

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Re: [Mailman-Users] digest attachments

[Mark Sapiro]

John Griessen wrote:

>One of my digest list members wishes they could see photo attachments in some
>clicky way using links in the digest email, but all I've figured out
>is to set archiving to on, and tell them to look there.  They won't
>jump through that many hoops, and still whine occasionally...
>
>Is there any way to have photo MIME attachments linked to in a digest email?


I don't understand. If your content filtering rules (or lack thereof)
allow photo attachments, and the regular list members receive them,
then those who subscribe to the digest in MIME form will receive the
same messages in their digest that the regular members receive, and
those who subscribe in plain text form will see messages in their
digests which have the non-plain text attachments removed and replaced
by hyperlinks to the attachment stored in the archive. This latter
process is referred to in Mailman as scrubbing and occurs whether or
not the list is archiving posts.

The process of scrubbing for the digest is identical to the process of
scrubbing for the archive, so if the archived messages have hyperlinks
to the scrubbed attachments, the plain digest does too, and the MIME
digest has the attachments in the digest.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Puzzle Regarding Sender Header

[Mark Sapiro]

David Eisner wrote:
>
>The reverse DNS mapping for 127.0.0.2 points to intranet.foo.org.
>
>I've set the host_name for all the lists to be 'lists.foo.org'.  I
>also set DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST and DEFAULT_URL_HOST to 'lists.foo.org'.
>I also ran fix_url for all the lists.
>
>Everything is working fine, except for one problem: the Sender: header
>in messages is 'listname-ad...@intranet.foo.org' rather than the
>desired 'listname-ad...@lists.foo.org'.
>
>I added this to mm_cfg.py, but it didn't help:
>
>  DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = 'lists.foo.org'
>  DEFAULT_URL_HOST = 'lists.foo.org'
>  add_virtualhost(DEFAULT_URL_HOST, DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST)


And you ran fix_url after this?


>The weird thing is that if I use withlist, it tells me the list
>address is 'lists.foo.org' (I've obfuscated the hostname consistent
>with the rest of this message):
>
>$ withlist -l test
>Loading list test (locked)
>The variable `m' is the test MailList instance
 m.getListAddress('admin')
>'test-ad...@lists.foo.org'
 m.getListAddress()
>'t...@lists.foo.org'

>
>I undid my patch as a sanity check, but it does what I'd expect: the
>Sender: header is now "test-boun...@intranet.foo.org" rather than
>"test-ad...@intranet.foo.org", but not "test-boun...@lists.foo.org".
>
>Any ideas?  Thanks.


Your MTA is rewriting the domain in the Sender: header. The FAQ at
 might be relevant.

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[Mailman-Users] host.domain.tld vs. domain.tld

[David Newman]

Mailman 2.1.13, postfix 2.5.6, MySQL 5.0.77, OpenBSD 4.5

After migrating to new hardware, Mailman lists are working OK using the
form @mail.domain.tld, but mail sent to @domain.tld
bounces with an "User unknown in virtual mailbox table" error.

This is a problem since some users expect @domain.tld to work.
So, I'm looking for help in getting either of these forms working:

@mail.domain.tld
@domain.tld

This error is odd in that the form @domain.tld worked on the
old server and I am using the exact same postfix and Mailman config
files as well as the same MySQL databases.

Odder still is that I don't see any reason why @domain.tld
should have worked on the old system. On both servers, the Mailman setup
is for mail.domain.tld.

There's nothing about these errors in the Mailman logs. As near as I can
tell, all Postfix and SQL setup is the same, as are file permissions.
I've played around with adding 'domain.tld' to add_virtualhost and
POSTFIX_STYLE_VIRTUAL_DOMAINS, and also followed this and other threads:

http://is.gd/6kB4Y

but no joy.

Thanks in advance for clues on getting both addresses working.

dn


from mm_cfg.py:

MTA = 'Postfix'
MAILMAN_SITE_LIST = 'mailman'
DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = 'mail.domain.tld'
DEFAULT_URL_HOST = 'mail.domain.tld'
# Clear the Defaults.py VIRTUAL_HOSTS entry
VIRTUAL_HOSTS.clear()
add_virtualhost(DEFAULT_URL_HOST, DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST)
add_virtualhost('mail.domain.tld', 'mail.domain.tld')
DEFAULT_URL_PATTERN = 'https://%s/mailman/'
PUBLIC_ARCHIVE_URL = 'https://%(hostname)s/pipermail/%(listname)s'
IMAGE_LOGOS = '/icons/'
POSTFIX_ALIAS_CMD = '/usr/local/sbin/postalias'
POSTFIX_MAP_CMD = '/usr/local/sbin/postmap'
POSTFIX_STYLE_VIRTUAL_DOMAINS = [ 'mail.domain.tld', 'mail.domain.tld' ]
VERP_PASSWORD_REMINDERS = Yes
VERP_PERSONALIZED_DELIVERIES = Yes
VERP_DELIVERY_INTERVAL = Yes
VERP_CONFIRMATIONS = Yes
VERP_DELIVERY_INTERVAL = 1
OWNERS_CAN_ENABLE_PERSONALIZATION = Yes

from main.cf:

alias_maps = hash:/etc/mail/aliases, hash:/usr/local/mailman/data/aliases
# the above is all one line in the config file

alias_database = hash:/etc/mail/aliases
unknown_local_recipient_reject_code = 550

virtual_alias_domains =
virtual_alias_maps =
proxy:mysql:/etc/postfix/sql/forwardings.cf
proxy:mysql:/etc/postfix/sql/email2email.cf
hash:/usr/local/mailman/data/virtual-mailman


sample stanza from /usr/local/mailman/data/virtual-mailman:

# STANZA START: test
# CREATED: Wed Jan 13 15:48:46 2010
t...@mail.domain.tld  test
test-ad...@mail.domain.tldtest-admin
test-boun...@mail.domain.tld  test-bounces
test-conf...@mail.domain.tld  test-confirm
test-j...@mail.domain.tld test-join
test-le...@mail.domain.tldtest-leave
test-ow...@mail.domain.tldtest-owner
test-requ...@mail.domain.tld  test-request
test-subscr...@mail.domain.tldtest-subscribe
test-unsubscr...@mail.domain.tld  test-unsubscribe
# STANZA END: test

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[Mailman-Users] digest attachments

[John Griessen]

One of my digest list members wishes they could see photo attachments in some
clicky way using links in the digest email, but all I've figured out
is to set archiving to on, and tell them to look there.  They won't
jump through that many hoops, and still whine occasionally...

Is there any way to have photo MIME attachments linked to in a digest email?

thanks,

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Is There a list member limitation?

[Goodman, William]

We have a very busy mail server so I set it to 4 hours, when I used the 
default we had a mailq of over 200 everyday which slowed our
performance.
So it will keep trying to send it for 4 hours then it gets bounced.

-Original Message-
From: Larry Stone [mailto:lston...@stonejongleux.com] 
Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 4:17 PM
To: Goodman, William
Cc: mailman-users@python.org
Subject: RE: [Mailman-Users] Is There a list member limitation?

On Fri, 15 Jan 2010, Goodman, William wrote:

> I see things like below to users I know didn't receive the email. So
you
> first assessment is correct
> "they did receive it but they just can't find it.

Uh no, the message below is a deferral. Postfix keeps retrying until it 
times out at which point is bounced. How long until it times out is a
site 
configurable length of time (default five days, I think).

> to=, relay=mail.somewhere.com[212.137.44.179]:25,
> delay=8.3, delays=0.02/4.4/0.67/3.3, dsn=4.0.0, status=deferred (host
> mail.somewhere.com[212.137.44.179] said: 451 ...
> Requested mail action not taken: mailbox unavailable (in reply to RCPT
> TO command)) Jan 13 15:25:00 my-mailserver postfix/smtp[28262]:
> B405E2D858F

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Is There a list member limitation?

[Larry Stone]

On Fri, 15 Jan 2010, Goodman, William wrote:


I see things like below to users I know didn't receive the email. So you
first assessment is correct
"they did receive it but they just can't find it.


Uh no, the message below is a deferral. Postfix keeps retrying until it 
times out at which point is bounced. How long until it times out is a site 
configurable length of time (default five days, I think).



to=, relay=mail.somewhere.com[212.137.44.179]:25,
delay=8.3, delays=0.02/4.4/0.67/3.3, dsn=4.0.0, status=deferred (host
mail.somewhere.com[212.137.44.179] said: 451 ...
Requested mail action not taken: mailbox unavailable (in reply to RCPT
TO command)) Jan 13 15:25:00 my-mailserver postfix/smtp[28262]:
B405E2D858F


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Re: [Mailman-Users] Is There a list member limitation?

[Goodman, William]

I see things like below to users I know didn't receive the email. So you
first assessment is correct
"they did receive it but they just can't find it.

to=, relay=mail.somewhere.com[212.137.44.179]:25,
delay=8.3, delays=0.02/4.4/0.67/3.3, dsn=4.0.0, status=deferred (host
mail.somewhere.com[212.137.44.179] said: 451 ...
Requested mail action not taken: mailbox unavailable (in reply to RCPT
TO command)) Jan 13 15:25:00 my-mailserver postfix/smtp[28262]:
B405E2D858F

Thanks for all your help...

Bill

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From: mailman-users-bounces+wgoodman=jcvi@python.org
[mailto:mailman-users-bounces+wgoodman=jcvi@python.org] On Behalf Of
Larry Stone
Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 1:28 PM
To: mailman-users@python.org
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Is There a list member limitation?

On Fri, 15 Jan 2010, Goodman, William wrote:

> Interesting...
>
> I also manage the mail servers, we use postfix with Amavid, ClamAV and
> Spamassassian. I know
> this is a mailman list but, is that (SMTP_MAX_RCPTS = 500) a postfix
> mail server configuration?

Since you're also managing the mail servers, you should be able to look
in 
the postfix logs to see what's happening.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Is There a list member limitation?

[Larry Stone]

On Fri, 15 Jan 2010, Goodman, William wrote:


Interesting...

I also manage the mail servers, we use postfix with Amavid, ClamAV and
Spamassassian. I know
this is a mailman list but, is that (SMTP_MAX_RCPTS = 500) a postfix
mail server configuration?


Since you're also managing the mail servers, you should be able to look in 
the postfix logs to see what's happening.


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Re: [Mailman-Users] Is There a list member limitation?

[Mark Sapiro]

Goodman, William wrote:
>
>I also manage the mail servers, we use postfix with Amavid, ClamAV and
>Spamassassian. I know
>this is a mailman list but, is that (SMTP_MAX_RCPTS =  500) a postfix
>mail server configuration?


It is a Mailman configuration setting which may or may not mean
anything depending on other Mailman site and list configuration
settings such as VERP and personalization.

It is in no way a limit on what can be sent from a list. It only limits
the maximum number of RCPT TO addresses in a single SMTP transaction
between Mailman and the outgoing MTA. It is the other side of
Postfix's smtpd_recipient_limit. Mailman's SMTP_MAX_RCPTS should
always be less than postfix's smtpd_recipient_limit or there may be
unnecessary Postfix refusals and Mailman retries, but otherwise, these
things in no way limit the number of total recipients to a message.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Is There a list member limitation?

[Goodman, William]

Interesting...

I also manage the mail servers, we use postfix with Amavid, ClamAV and
Spamassassian. I know
this is a mailman list but, is that (SMTP_MAX_RCPTS = 500) a postfix
mail server configuration?

Bill

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[mailto:mailman-users-bounces+wgoodman=jcvi@python.org] On Behalf Of
Mark Sapiro
Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 12:27 PM
To: mailman-users@python.org
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Is There a list member limitation?

LuKreme wrote:

>On 15-Jan-2010, at 09:24, Goodman, William wrote:
>> I had a user send an email to one of our lists (approx. 700 email
>> address), he states that some users received them about (450) and
other did not. Is there a email address limitation or member limitation?

>
>
>Not in Mailman.
>
>There are many reasons that a mail may not be received by some members
of a list.
>
>1) Spam filters on their machines that trap the mail as spam
>2) limitations on your sending server on how many emails you can send
to how many people in what amount of time
>3) Your server is on an RBL
>4) THEIR server is on an RBL
>5) They DID receive the mail, they just can't find it
>6) DNS issues (yours or theirs)
>
>There are probably other things.


In addition to the above, check Mailman's smtp-failure log if you can.

The 450 number (and exactly how can he know that?) suggests that
possibly list delivery was chunked with the default SMTP_MAX_RCPTS =
500 and only one chunk was accepted by the MTA.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Is There a list member limitation?

[Mark Sapiro]

LuKreme wrote:

>On 15-Jan-2010, at 09:24, Goodman, William wrote:
>> I had a user send an email to one of our lists (approx. 700 email
>> address), he states that some users received them about (450) and other did 
>> not. Is there a email address limitation or member limitation? 
>
>
>Not in Mailman.
>
>There are many reasons that a mail may not be received by some members of a 
>list.
>
>1) Spam filters on their machines that trap the mail as spam
>2) limitations on your sending server on how many emails you can send to how 
>many people in what amount of time
>3) Your server is on an RBL
>4) THEIR server is on an RBL
>5) They DID receive the mail, they just can't find it
>6) DNS issues (yours or theirs)
>
>There are probably other things.


In addition to the above, check Mailman's smtp-failure log if you can.

The 450 number (and exactly how can he know that?) suggests that
possibly list delivery was chunked with the default SMTP_MAX_RCPTS =
500 and only one chunk was accepted by the MTA.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Is There a list member limitation?

[Goodman, William]

Thanks, That's what I thought you just confirmed it.

Bill

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Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 12:08 PM
To: mailman-users@python.org
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Is There a list member limitation?

On 15-Jan-2010, at 09:24, Goodman, William wrote:
> I had a user send an email to one of our lists (approx. 700 email
> address), he states that some users received them about (450) and
other did not. Is there a email address limitation or member limitation?



Not in Mailman.

There are many reasons that a mail may not be received by some members
of a list.

1) Spam filters on their machines that trap the mail as spam
2) limitations on your sending server on how many emails you can send to
how many people in what amount of time
3) Your server is on an RBL
4) THEIR server is on an RBL
5) They DID receive the mail, they just can't find it
6) DNS issues (yours or theirs)

There are probably other things.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Is There a list member limitation?

[LuKreme]

On 15-Jan-2010, at 09:24, Goodman, William wrote:
> I had a user send an email to one of our lists (approx. 700 email
> address), he states that some users received them about (450) and other did 
> not. Is there a email address limitation or member limitation? 


Not in Mailman.

There are many reasons that a mail may not be received by some members of a 
list.

1) Spam filters on their machines that trap the mail as spam
2) limitations on your sending server on how many emails you can send to how 
many people in what amount of time
3) Your server is on an RBL
4) THEIR server is on an RBL
5) They DID receive the mail, they just can't find it
6) DNS issues (yours or theirs)

There are probably other things.

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[Mailman-Users] Is There a list member limitation?

[Goodman, William]

Hello Mark,

 

I had a user send an email to one of our lists (approx. 700 email
address), he states that some users received them

about (450) and other did not. Is there a email address limitation or
member limitation? If so where would the 

configuration be? Or where (beside the mail server) could I look to see
who didn't receive the email?

 

Bill

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Re: [Mailman-Users] mailman enquiry

[Mark Sapiro]

Rohaniah Noor wrote:
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>i am using mailman in my domain of budaklaw.com for 6 months.
>the problem is now that i got warning from the web hosting company that my
>domain is sending spam just because i and my friends are sending email using
>mailman mailing list service.
>FYI, there are only about 45 - 50 email address in my mailing list.
>
>so, may i have your recommendation on how to settle this problem?
>i need to use mailing list.


This is something you will have to work out with your web hosting
company. There's nothing that we at mailman-users@python.org can do to
help with this.

Ask them for more specific information. I.e. what specific mails are
identified as spam and by whom. Is this their Mailman installation or
yours? If yours, you might consider not sending mail via the web host.

The FAQ at  may have some more help.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Not all mail delivered [was:(no subject)]

[Mark Sapiro]

rguket...@aol.com wrote:
> 
>I use your mailing list service through lunar pages, I am the admistrator  
>and for some reason about a month ago some of the people on the list dont 
>get  every email.  I went in and looked and they arent bounced what should i  
>do.


Do they get some messages? Are the affected users all in the same
domain(s)?

There is nothing we at mailman-users@python.org can do to help with
this. You can contact the host at lunar pages. They may have more
information from their mail server logs, or Mailman's bounce log, but
probably not.

See the FAQ at  for some additional
information.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] mailman enquiry

[Brian Carpenter]

> -Original Message-
> From: mailman-users-bounces+brian=emwd@python.org [mailto:mailman-
> users-bounces+brian=emwd@python.org] On Behalf Of Rohaniah Noor
> Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 10:37 AM
> To: mailman-users@python.org
> Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman enquiry
> 
> sir . madam,
> 
> i am using mailman in my domain of budaklaw.com for 6 months.
> the problem is now that i got warning from the web hosting company that
> my
> domain is sending spam just because i and my friends are sending email
> using
> mailman mailing list service.
> FYI, there are only about 45 - 50 email address in my mailing list.
> 
> so, may i have your recommendation on how to settle this problem?
> i need to use mailing list.
> 
> thank you
> --
> Rohaniah Noor
> rohaniahn...@gmail.com
> http://rohaniahnoor.blogspot.com
> --

What reasons are they giving for this allegation? Are folks on your list
reporting you as a spammer? I know this tends to happen with AOL and Yahoo!
users. Are you using a double-opt in subscription policy with your list and
its subscribers?

Brian
EMWD.com
Mailmanhosting.com

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Re: [Mailman-Users] (no subject)

[Brian Carpenter]

> -Original Message-
> From: mailman-users-bounces+brian=emwd@python.org [mailto:mailman-
> users-bounces+brian=emwd@python.org] On Behalf Of rguket...@aol.com
> Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 1:32 PM
> To: mailman-users@python.org
> Subject: [Mailman-Users] (no subject)
> 
> Hi
> 
> I use your mailing list service through lunar pages, I am the
> admistrator
> and for some reason about a month ago some of the people on the list
> dont
> get  every email.  I went in and looked and they arent bounced what
> should i
> do.
> 
> thanks
> Rosemary Guketlov
> _www.icsspotswood.org_ (http://www.icsspotswood.org)
> _icsexpr...@icsspotswood.org_ (mailto:icsexpr...@icsspotswood.org)

You will probably need to contact Lunarpage's technical support to see what
is going on. They should be able to assist you. You will need to provide
them your list email address, the subject line of your the last non-received
post, its date/time stamp, and the e-mail addresses of those who did not
receive the message.

My experience is this tends to end up being an issue on the list member's
end, i.e. either due to an overzealous spam filter, full mailbox, etc.

Brian
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Mailmanhosting.com

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Unsubscribed member still receives e-mails

[Mark Sapiro]

Michael Rosen wrote:
>
>We currently use the list server at
>http://mailman.listserve.com/listmanager/admin/affiliate-talk for our
>organization's members. One member who was deleted from the subscription
>list still receives e-mails, even though I cannot locate her e-mail
>address in the database (susan.kub...@va.gov). 


There are various possibilities. I note from the above page that this
is Mailman version 2.1.10z3. I have no idea who produces this 'z3'
package, but possibly it is broken in this respect.

The much more likely possibility is she is subscribed with some other
address that forwards to susan.kub...@va.gov. If you examine all the
Received: headers in a post she receives from the list, you may be
able to figure out what this address is. You will certainly see the
domain of the Mail Exchange server that Mailman sent to.

If that is not sufficient you can wait until (hopefully) she receives a
monthly password reminder.

Also, what membership database? The one at
?
And how was she removed?

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Re: [Mailman-Users] moderator email validation

[Mark Sapiro]

Leorat Matthieu wrote:
>
>I'm a french beginner with Mailman and I have just one question. It's 
>about the moderator email validation. Moderator have to enter his 
>password to validate a message by answering. I would know if it's 
>possible to keep the email validation without password.


No it is not possible. If it were, what would prevent the poster from
approvong his own held message?

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[Mailman-Users] mailman enquiry

[Rohaniah Noor]

sir . madam,

i am using mailman in my domain of budaklaw.com for 6 months.
the problem is now that i got warning from the web hosting company that my
domain is sending spam just because i and my friends are sending email using
mailman mailing list service.
FYI, there are only about 45 - 50 email address in my mailing list.

so, may i have your recommendation on how to settle this problem?
i need to use mailing list.

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[Mailman-Users] (no subject)

[rguketlov]

Hi
 
I use your mailing list service through lunar pages, I am the admistrator  
and for some reason about a month ago some of the people on the list dont 
get  every email.  I went in and looked and they arent bounced what should i  
do.
 
thanks
Rosemary Guketlov
_www.icsspotswood.org_ (http://www.icsspotswood.org) 
_icsexpr...@icsspotswood.org_ (mailto:icsexpr...@icsspotswood.org) 
 
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[Mailman-Users] Unsubscribed member still receives e-mails

[Michael Rosen]

Good morning,

 

We currently use the list server at
http://mailman.listserve.com/listmanager/admin/affiliate-talk for our
organization's members. One member who was deleted from the subscription
list still receives e-mails, even though I cannot locate her e-mail
address in the database (susan.kub...@va.gov). 

 

I don't see this issue on your FAQ page. Please advise, as soon as
possible, how I can keep her from receiving e-mails from the
distribution list.

 

Thank you.

 

Michael Rosen

 



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[Mailman-Users] moderator email validation

[Leorat Matthieu]

Hi,

I'm a french beginner with Mailman and I have just one question. It's 
about the moderator email validation. Moderator have to enter his 
password to validate a message by answering. I would know if it's 
possible to keep the email validation without password.


Thanks,

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[Mailman-Users] New Logo Contest for 2010

[Barry Warsaw]

Hello everybody!

Our current GNU Mailman logos were designed by the Dragon De Monsyne many
years ago.  They have served us exceedingly well, but with the coming of
Mailman 3, we've decided it's time our logos got a face lift.  So we're
opening up a new logo contest to the Mailman and GNU communities.  We invite
your creative and inspiring designs!

Details of the contest and submission guidelines are available here:

http://wiki.list.org/display/DEV/NewLogo

Submissions will be open until February 28, 2010, and is open to everyone, so
feel free to forward this announcement.  Please contact the Mailman Steering
Committee at mailman-ca...@python.org with any questions.

Enjoy,
-Barry


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