[Mailman-Users] How to reply to messages posted on mailman!!!
Hello I want to reply to a message that already posted on a mailing list (mailman). but I don't know how? would you mind giving me a solution? Best Regards Arya Mazaheri -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
[Mailman-Users] Mailman without Apache or webinterface on another Webserver (Debian)
Hello, i use different servers for mail / web and because of that i can't use mailman _with_ apache on the same server. Is there any way to install the interface on another webserver? Is there a debian-package without apache2-dependence? Thanks -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
[Mailman-Users] attachment problems
I have a list serve with you and for some reason we can no longer send attachments through. Can you please help me to fix this issue? Thank you.Jeremy _ Your E-mail and More On-the-Go. Get Windows Live Hotmail Free. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469229/direct/01/ -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] How to reply to messages posted on mailman!!!
Arya Mazaheri wrote: I want to reply to a message that already posted on a mailing list (mailman). but I don't know how? would you mind giving me a solution? Go to the message in the list's archive and click the poster's (munged) address. This should open your default MUA ready for your reply. If you want to quote text, you have to copy/paste. -- Mark Sapiro m...@msapiro.netThe highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] attachment problems
jeremy croft wrote: I have a list serve with you and for some reason we can no longer send attachments through. Can you please help me to fix this issue? Thank you.Jeremy You do not have a list serv [1] with us. We are the GNU Mailman project, not LSoft. You may have a Mailman list using our software, but it is not with us unless it's address is @python.org. Your issue, if it is a Mailman list, is with the list's content filtering options. If you are not the list owner, you need to contact the list owner at an address like listname-ow...@listdomain where listn...@listdomain is the list's posting address and -owner is literally that. If you are the list owner, you need to adjust your list's Content filtering settings (or turn of filter_content) in the list's web admin interface to do what you want. [1] Please do not refer to Mailman lists as 'listservs'. Listserv(r) is a registered trademark[2] owned by the developer of a particular email list management product, and it shouldn't be used generically. My personal interest in this is not to protect the Listserv(r) trademark, but rather to avoid confusing Listserv(r) email list management software with any other email list management software including GNU Mailman of which I am a developer. [2] http://www.lsoft.com/corporate/trademark.asp -- Mark Sapiro m...@msapiro.netThe highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
[Mailman-Users] Unexplained unsubscribes of yahoo.com email addresses
I run a few Mailman mailing lists (2.1.12cp3 - 42 lists with 500 subscribers max on each list) for a professional association that I belong to. Over the last three days I have had a series of unexplained unsubscribes from one of the lists, and almost all of the unsubscribed email addresses are yahoo.com addresses. None of the admins has done a mass removal, so is there any way for me to determine why these email addresses were unsubscribed? Anything in the log files? This is the only list that I am seeing this on. Thanks, J.R. J.R. Constance Rodric Consulting, LLC j...@rodricon.com Phone: 720.339.3646 -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Unexplained unsubscribes of yahoo.com email addresses
-Original Message- From: mailman-users-bounces+brian=emwd@python.org [mailto:mailman- users-bounces+brian=emwd@python.org] On Behalf Of J.R. Constance Sent: Monday, March 01, 2010 10:23 AM To: Mailman Users Subject: [Mailman-Users] Unexplained unsubscribes of yahoo.com email addresses I run a few Mailman mailing lists (2.1.12cp3 - 42 lists with 500 subscribers max on each list) for a professional association that I belong to. Over the last three days I have had a series of unexplained unsubscribes from one of the lists, and almost all of the unsubscribed email addresses are yahoo.com addresses. None of the admins has done a mass removal, so is there any way for me to determine why these email addresses were unsubscribed? Anything in the log files? This is the only list that I am seeing this on. Thanks, J.R. J.R. Constance Rodric Consulting, LLC j...@rodricon.com Phone: 720.339.3646 You can check your mail log to see if you are seeing a high number of Yahoo! deferrals. If so then those deferrals may be behind those unsubscribes, especially if they have been unsubscribed due to excessive bounces. Checking the mailman/logs/subscribe log should show you the reason behind these recent unsubscribes. Brian http://mailmanhost.com -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Unexplained unsubscribes of yahoo.com email addresses
On Mon, Mar 01, 2010 at 10:23:18AM -0500, J.R. Constance wrote: almost all of the unsubscribed email addresses are yahoo.com addresses. Do you have 'special' retry conditions for Yahoo-hosted domains, in your MTA? If not, you may want something, q.v., exim-users' archive (and probably elsewhere, too), for some background/suggestions. -- A traitor may betray himself and do good that he does not intend -- J. R. R. Tolkien -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Unexplained unsubscribes of yahoo.com emailaddresses
J.R. Constance wrote: I run a few Mailman mailing lists (2.1.12cp3 - 42 lists with 500 subscribers max on each list) for a professional association that I belong to. Over the last three days I have had a series of unexplained unsubscribes from one of the lists, and almost all of the unsubscribed email addresses are yahoo.com addresses. None of the admins has done a mass removal, so is there any way for me to determine why these email addresses were unsubscribed? Anything in the log files? Check Mailman's bounce and subscribe logs. This could be a result Yahoo rejecting mail from your server and tighter bounce processing settings or more posts to the affected list. -- Mark Sapiro m...@msapiro.netThe highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Unexplained unsubscribes of yahoo.com email addresses
* Brian Carpenter br...@emwd.com: You can check your mail log to see if you are seeing a high number of Yahoo! deferrals. If so then those deferrals may be behind those unsubscribes, especially if they have been unsubscribed due to excessive bounces. Checking the mailman/logs/subscribe log should show you the reason behind these recent unsubscribes. Stuff like: Mar 01 09:00:01 2010 (14075) bangpypers: deleted yogeshhkxx...@gmail.com; disabled address Mar 01 09:00:01 2010 (14075) bangpypers: yogeshhkxx...@gmail.com auto-unsubscribed [reason: BYBOUNCE] Mar 01 09:00:02 2010 (14075) pycon-av: smccx...@pbpost.com auto-unsubscribed [reason: BYBOUNCE] -- Ralf Hildebrandt Geschäftsbereich IT | Abteilung Netzwerk Charité - Universitätsmedizin Berlin Campus Benjamin Franklin Hindenburgdamm 30 | D-12203 Berlin Tel. +49 30 450 570 155 | Fax: +49 30 450 570 962 ralf.hildebra...@charite.de | http://www.charite.de -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Unexplained unsubscribes of yahoo.comemail addresses
Brian Carpenter wrote: You can check your mail log to see if you are seeing a high number of Yahoo! deferrals. If so then those deferrals may be behind those unsubscribes, Yahoo deferrals should not cause this. The message should be simply queued and retried in the MTA with no notification to Mailman. Even a delayed message to Mailman (e.g., your message hasn't been delivered for 4 hours - will keep trying) should not result in a bounce, and in my experience, Yahoo always ultimately accepts the message before the MTA gives up and returns failure to Mailman. -- Mark Sapiro m...@msapiro.netThe highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Unexplained unsubscribes of yahoo.com email addresses
Thanks to all. I appreciate the quick responses. Subscribe log says: [reason: BYBOUNCE] and Bounce log says: deleted after exhausting notices I was surprised at these unsubscribes because it has been almost 4 weeks since any messages have gone out to this list, and I had removed any queued mail from the queue server several weeks ago. J.R. On Mar 1, 2010, at 11:14 AM, Ralf Hildebrandt wrote: * Brian Carpenter br...@emwd.com: You can check your mail log to see if you are seeing a high number of Yahoo! deferrals. If so then those deferrals may be behind those unsubscribes, especially if they have been unsubscribed due to excessive bounces. Checking the mailman/logs/subscribe log should show you the reason behind these recent unsubscribes. Stuff like: Mar 01 09:00:01 2010 (14075) bangpypers: deleted yogeshhkxx...@gmail.com; disabled address Mar 01 09:00:01 2010 (14075) bangpypers: yogeshhkxx...@gmail.com auto-unsubscribed [reason: BYBOUNCE] Mar 01 09:00:02 2010 (14075) pycon-av: smccx...@pbpost.com auto-unsubscribed [reason: BYBOUNCE] -- Ralf Hildebrandt Geschäftsbereich IT | Abteilung Netzwerk Charité - Universitätsmedizin Berlin Campus Benjamin Franklin Hindenburgdamm 30 | D-12203 Berlin Tel. +49 30 450 570 155 | Fax: +49 30 450 570 962 ralf.hildebra...@charite.de | http://www.charite.de -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jrc%40clshost.com -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Unexplained unsubscribes of yahoo.comemail addresses
my experience, Yahoo always ultimately accepts the message before the MTA gives up and returns failure to Mailman. We have a server where this problem is happening and in the case of this particular server (being solely used by a single non-profit organization) Yahoo is being VERY persistent in delaying their messages and they are seeing Yahoo.com addresses being unsubsribed. We are in the process of working with Yahoo in trying to get this server whitelisted with them. Brian http://mailmanhost.com -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman without Apache or webinterface on anotherWebserver (Debian)
Dieter Knopf wrote: i use different servers for mail / web and because of that i can't use mailman _with_ apache on the same server. Is there any way to install the interface on another webserver? Only by using NFS or another shared file system. Your choices are: 1) Install Mailman on the mail server and use only email user interfaces and command line admin tools. If you want web archives, they can be handled by external archivers. Or, install apache on the mail server for Mailman only. 2) Install Mailman on the web server. outgoing mail to the mail server is no problem. Incoming mail can be handled by fetchmail/procmail from the mail server or an MTA on the web server for Mailman only with relay from the mail server. Is there a debian-package without apache2-dependence? I doubt it, but you can always install Mailman from source. -- Mark Sapiro m...@msapiro.netThe highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Unexplained unsubscribes of yahoo.com email addresses
Brian Carpenter wrote: We have a server where this problem is happening and in the case of this particular server (being solely used by a single non-profit organization) Yahoo is being VERY persistent in delaying their messages and they are seeing Yahoo.com addresses being unsubsribed. We are in the process of working with Yahoo in trying to get this server whitelisted with them. Very persistent as in delaying for more than 5 days, or is your MTA's retry period shorter than that? I'm sure you know what's happening in your case; maybe I'm just lucky, but I think my Yahoo deferrals/retries always succeed within way less than 24 hours. rant I think Yahoo is wrong in this. If the deferrals are a form of greylisting, there's no point in deferring more than once. One delayed retry proves the sending MTA is going to retry and subsequent deferrals are pointless. On the other hand, if they're never going to accept the mail, they should reject it outright with a 5xx. The only result from deferring multiple times and then accepting is to cause problems for their users resulting from delayed mail and to waste network resources with all the unnecessary retries. /rant -- Mark Sapiro m...@msapiro.netThe highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Unexplained unsubscribes of yahoo.com emailaddresses
J.R. Constance wrote: I was surprised at these unsubscribes because it has been almost 4 weeks since any messages have gone out to this list, and I had removed any queued mail from the queue server several weeks ago. The bouncing member's delivery is disabled by bounce processing and if requested a notice of the disable with the triggering bounce attached is sent to the list owner. From that point forward, the process is totally controlled by cron/disabled. Posts or the lack thereof are irrelevant. If the member's delivery is not re-enabled manually by the member or a list admin, the member will be unsubscribed after bounce_you_are_disabled_warnings times bounce_you_are_disabled_warnings_interval days (default 21). Thus, when a member is unsubscribed by bounce processing this normally occurs weeks after the member's delivery was disabled. -- Mark Sapiro m...@msapiro.netThe highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Unexplained unsubscribes of yahoo.com email addresses
Brian Carpenter wrote: We have a server where this problem is happening and in the case of this particular server (being solely used by a single non-profit organization) Yahoo is being VERY persistent in delaying their messages and they are seeing Yahoo.com addresses being unsubsribed. We are in the process of working with Yahoo in trying to get this server whitelisted with them. Very persistent as in delaying for more than 5 days, or is your MTA's retry period shorter than that? I'm sure you know what's happening in your case; maybe I'm just lucky, but I think my Yahoo deferrals/retries always succeed within way less than 24 hours. rant I think Yahoo is wrong in this. If the deferrals are a form of greylisting, there's no point in deferring more than once. One delayed retry proves the sending MTA is going to retry and subsequent deferrals are pointless. On the other hand, if they're never going to accept the mail, they should reject it outright with a 5xx. The only result from deferring multiple times and then accepting is to cause problems for their users resulting from delayed mail and to waste network resources with all the unnecessary retries. /rant -- Mark Sapiro m...@msapiro.netThe highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan For cPanel servers the default is 4 days which is what we use. For this particular client, they have over a hundred active discussion mailing lists. They are small lists in regards to members but they are active and the mail queue just keeps filling up due to Yahoo! terrible deferral policies. Totally agree with your rant. Right on target. Regards, Brian Carpenter http://mailmanhost.com -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Unexplained unsubscribes of yahoo.com emailaddresses
Thanks Mark. As I looked back through the Bounce log I can see the history for what you describe below; multiple bounce notifications, account disabled after ~2 weeks, then account unsubscribed after another two weeks. Is there another log that would show the response(s) from yahoo.com, either a deferral or rejection? On Mar 1, 2010, at 12:08 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote: J.R. Constance wrote: I was surprised at these unsubscribes because it has been almost 4 weeks since any messages have gone out to this list, and I had removed any queued mail from the queue server several weeks ago. The bouncing member's delivery is disabled by bounce processing and if requested a notice of the disable with the triggering bounce attached is sent to the list owner. From that point forward, the process is totally controlled by cron/disabled. Posts or the lack thereof are irrelevant. If the member's delivery is not re-enabled manually by the member or a list admin, the member will be unsubscribed after bounce_you_are_disabled_warnings times bounce_you_are_disabled_warnings_interval days (default 21). Thus, when a member is unsubscribed by bounce processing this normally occurs weeks after the member's delivery was disabled. -- Mark Sapiro m...@msapiro.netThe highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
[Mailman-Users] one-click subscription
For a read-only announcement list, I'm looking for a way to set up one-click subscription where a user enters an email in a form on a web page and gets subscribed right away, with no confirmation needed. Thanks in advance for clues on setting this up with MM, Apache and postfix. Apologies in advance if this has been asked before. I didn't see anything specific in the FAQ or in a quick check of the archives. dn -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Unexplained unsubscribes of yahoo.comemailaddresses
J.R. Constance wrote: As I looked back through the Bounce log I can see the history for what you describe below; multiple bounce notifications, account disabled after ~2 weeks, then account unsubscribed after another two weeks. Is there another log that would show the response(s) from yahoo.com, either a deferral or rejection? Your MTA's logs will have some information. Note that the actual bounce delivered to Mailman may have occurred up to 15 minutes prior to the entry in Mailman's bounce log because Mailman queues bounces and processes them in batches. Also, you will probably find in your MTA logs that there was some delivery attempted to Yahoo which was rejected by Yahoo with a reason shown in the log and this was followed by your MTA sending a DSN to the listname-bounces address. In this case, you have Yahoo's response in your MTA's log. You may find however that the DSN sent to the listname-bounces address came from Yahoo. In this case, the only way to know the reason is to see the actual DSN which is not logged anywhere. If the list's bounce_notify_owner_on_disable is Yes, it was sent to the list owner(s) when the disable occurred, but it isn't logged. -- Mark Sapiro m...@msapiro.netThe highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] one-click subscription
On Mon, 1 Mar 2010, David Newman wrote: For a read-only announcement list, I'm looking for a way to set up one-click subscription where a user enters an email in a form on a web page and gets subscribed right away, with no confirmation needed. Note that you're going to open yorself up to the problem of people being gratuitously subscribed to your list. That's why we have double opt-in. There's a disturbing trend these days of people reporting mailing lists as spam to their providers instead of unsubscribing. This can get you blacklisted. It happens enough with lists that people actually voluntarily subscribed to, it's going to be a lot worse if you get people being randomly subscribed without their consent. Geoff. -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] one-click subscription
David Newman wrote: For a read-only announcement list, I'm looking for a way to set up one-click subscription where a user enters an email in a form on a web page and gets subscribed right away, with no confirmation needed. This is not a good idea. It allows anyone to subscribe anyone else to your list without the subscribed person's knowledge or consent. Do you really want to do this? If you do, there are two ways. You can set ALLOW_OPEN_SUBSCRIBE = Yes in mm_cfg.py and then set the list's Privacy options... - Subscription rules - subscribe_policy to None, and create your subscribe form per the FAQ at http://wiki.list.org/x/hIA9. Or, you can create a web page that either invokes curl or wget or posts it's own data to the admin CGI as outlined in posts linked from the FAQ at http://wiki.list.org/x/uIA9. However, if what you want is for people to be able to subscribe without further interaction on their part, you might consider just setting subscribe_policy to Approve and having subscriptions approved by an admin or moderator. This isn't much better, but at least it allows the admin to detect a suspicious pattern. -- Mark Sapiro m...@msapiro.netThe highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] one-click subscription
On 3/1/10 10:34 AM, Mark Sapiro wrote: David Newman wrote: For a read-only announcement list, I'm looking for a way to set up one-click subscription where a user enters an email in a form on a web page and gets subscribed right away, with no confirmation needed. This is not a good idea. It allows anyone to subscribe anyone else to your list without the subscribed person's knowledge or consent. Do you really want to do this? If you do, there are two ways. You can set ALLOW_OPEN_SUBSCRIBE = Yes in mm_cfg.py and then set the list's Privacy options... - Subscription rules - subscribe_policy to None, and create your subscribe form per the FAQ at http://wiki.list.org/x/hIA9. Or, you can create a web page that either invokes curl or wget or posts it's own data to the admin CGI as outlined in posts linked from the FAQ at http://wiki.list.org/x/uIA9. However, if what you want is for people to be able to subscribe without further interaction on their part, you might consider just setting subscribe_policy to Approve and having subscriptions approved by an admin or moderator. This isn't much better, but at least it allows the admin to detect a suspicious pattern. OK, thanks. Thinking about this some more, it does seem like an excellent way to subscribe users who never asked to hear from us. I'll recommend to our team that we at least get confirmation before proceeding. dn -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] one-click subscription
David Newman wrote: On 3/1/10 10:34 AM, Mark Sapiro wrote: David Newman wrote: For a read-only announcement list, I'm looking for a way to set up one-click subscription where a user enters an email in a form on a web page and gets subscribed right away, with no confirmation needed. This is not a good idea. It allows anyone to subscribe anyone else to your list without the subscribed person's knowledge or consent. Do you really want to do this? OK, thanks. Thinking about this some more, it does seem like an excellent way to subscribe users who never asked to hear from us. I'll recommend to our team that we at least get confirmation before proceeding. Also, you should note that in some places anti-spam laws make it illegal to operate mailing lists that only require one-click subscription. My slightly fuzzy memory says the laws surrounding this were most strict in Germany, but I wouldn't be surprised if other countries require confirmation before someone can be put on a mailing list. Terri -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Unexplained unsubscribes of yahoo.com email
The esteemed Mark Sapiro has said: Very persistent as in delaying for more than 5 days, or is your MTA's retry period shorter than that? I'm sure you know what's happening in your case; maybe I'm just lucky, but I think my Yahoo deferrals/retries always succeed within way less than 24 hours. rant I think Yahoo is wrong in this. If the deferrals are a form of greylisting, there's no point in deferring more than once. One delayed retry proves the sending MTA is going to retry and subsequent deferrals are pointless. On the other hand, if they're never going to accept the mail, they should reject it outright with a 5xx. The only result from deferring multiple times and then accepting is to cause problems for their users resulting from delayed mail and to waste network resources with all the unnecessary retries. /rant I recognize this pattern in dealing with several of the large recipient sites. Can't recall now, but I think yahoo, hotmail, and verizon all pulled this stunt, and what's happening is not obvious to the Mailman admin who does not have access to sender site logs. I'm using sendmail as MTA, so this scenario is what happens with sendmail. Rather than bounce the mail with a 5.x.x DSN the recipient site defers with a 4.x.x DSN. Mailman, as an MUA, receives notices sent to listname-bounces that the mail is being deferred, but unless Mailman is set to deliver those messages to the admin, they vanish. The MTA has a timeout (sendmail default is 5 days, I reset to 3) after which it discards mail from the queue and sends a bounce message, which gets processed. After receiving bounces for N days, Mailman sets the address nomail-by-bounce. It becomes obvious to the Mailman admin when the bounce processor sends the bounce notices. Generally, the bounce reminders also get blocked by deferral, so Mailman unsubscribes the acount after the waiting period. To put the frosting on the cake, the recipient doesn't get the you've been unsubscribed message, either. In a couple of cases, the bounce messages sent to the sendmail log will start having http links in the message. Only the site administrator who is reading the MTA logs gets to see that, and it's sporadic---not every deferral message has that included. The link is generally to a URL for getting the sender site whitelisted with the big mail operation. Needless to say, the whole thing is pretty invisible to both a Mailman administrator and the recipients. In the meantime, the MTA queues get filled up, the addresses get retried at regular intervals. Consider 5 days of deferrals before the first bounces to Mailman, three more for Mailman to set the user nomail, then three more weeks to the unsubscribe. And of course, the days of deferrals and retries make the mail list look like a spam generator. We're set up here to discard unrecognized bounce messages (that address is a prime spam target), but to get bounce and unsubscribe notices. Hank -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Unexplained unsubscribes of yahoo.com email
Hank van Cleef wrote: Rather than bounce the mail with a 5.x.x DSN the recipient site defers with a 4.x.x DSN. Mailman, as an MUA, receives notices sent to listname-bounces that the mail is being deferred, but unless Mailman is set to deliver those messages to the admin, they vanish. If it is a 4.x.x delayed message, and Mailman recognizes it, it is ignored. There is no setting to deliver it to anyone, unless it is unrecognized. -- Mark Sapiro m...@msapiro.netThe highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] [Mailman-Announce] New Logo Contest for 2010
On Jan 15, 2010, at 10:07 AM, Barry Warsaw wrote: Our current GNU Mailman logos were designed by the Dragon De Monsyne many years ago. They have served us exceedingly well, but with the coming of Mailman 3, we've decided it's time our logos got a face lift. So we're opening up a new logo contest to the Mailman and GNU communities. We invite your creative and inspiring designs! Details of the contest and submission guidelines are available here: http://wiki.list.org/display/DEV/NewLogo Submissions will be open until February 28, 2010, and is open to everyone, so feel free to forward this announcement. Please contact the Mailman Steering Committee at mailman-ca...@python.org with any questions. Due to some confusion about posting permissions, we've decided to keep the logo contest open for two more weeks. We've got a number of really good ones, but your chance at fame is not yet past. We'll close the contest on Monday March 15 at 2200 UTC (don't forget DST in the US starts on March 14). Just to clarify: if you still want to submit a logo, you need to create an account on wiki.list.org and send us (mailman-ca...@python.org) your wiki user id so that we can enable your write access. Sorry for the convolution but that's the price of spam reduction. Cheers, -Barry signature.asc Description: PGP signature -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
[Mailman-Users] Wiki scheduled downtime
Just a quick announcement to let you know that wiki.list.org is scheduled to be off-line for upgrades starting at 2200 UTC on Friday, March 19, 2010. Total downtime is not known, as they will be upgrading us to the latest version and it's a big upgrade. Cheers, -Barry signature.asc Description: PGP signature -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] one-click subscription
On 1-Mar-2010, at 10:50, David Newman wrote: For a read-only announcement list, I'm looking for a way to set up one-click subscription where a user enters an email in a form on a web page and gets subscribed right away, with no confirmation needed. Please let me know the domain(s) these lists will be hosted on so I can add them to my local blacklist. -- The voice of the majority is no proof of justice. -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Unexplained unsubscribes of yahoo.com email addresses
On 1-Mar-2010, at 09:58, Mark Sapiro wrote: I think Yahoo is wrong in this. Oh yeah, there's no question at all that Yahoo has their proverbial head up their backsides. But they are a large enough gorilla that they don't have to care. I am happy to say that I've convinced many people to switch from Yahoo to another mail service simply by showing them logs of the crap yahoo pulls. -- As God as my witness, I though turkeys could fly, Arthur Carlson, WKRP in Cincinnati -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
