Re: [Mailman-Users] Setting Up Mailman
On Wed, 18 Apr 2012, Wayne Cook wrote: Your article is a LIFESAVER Larry, and I can GUARENTEE YOU that I'm in over my head! Hopefully with help I can muddle through this and learn something...the links to the screen shots should work now: http://www.mycoachonline.com/mailmanshots/ Screenshots of OS X windows aren't all that useful. They're just showing us that a file of the given name exists somewhere. It doesn't show us if it's exactly the right place or the contents. For the first window, two problems: 1) file name - as discussed in the previous note it should be start_mailman.sh and 2) more importantly, I'm pretty sure it's in the wrong directory. We want that in /var/root (at least we do if the that's where we told it would be mailman.plist) Please do the following in Terminal and send me the output including everything you typed and everything returned in response: cd /var/root ls -l *mailman* cat *mailman*.sh cd /Library/LaunchDaemons cat mailman.plist The start obviously failed but any output from it should be logged in /var/log/system.log. Try: grep -i mailman /var/log/system.log and include any output returned. -- Larry Stone lston...@stonejongleux.com On Wed, 18 Apr 2012, Wayne Cook wrote: I'm trying to move mailman from OSX server to OSX client on a mac mini with OSX 10.6 installed on the machine. I'm not a terminal expert, but can usually follow and figure things out, so I'm attempting to follow these instructions as closely as possible: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2010-May/069385.html I'm the author of that. Obviously I'm not doing something correctly because stuff isn't giving me the correct response when I check to see what python processes are running. I have some screen shots here: http://www.mycoachonline.com/mailmanshots/ Unfortunately, that page appears to be broken. Firefox just displays the alternate text and IE gives a red X. PS I think there is a typo in step 8 of the instructions, but I've tried it as written and the two ways that I think it should be written. It says create "start_mailman.sh" and the next line is "vi mailman_start.sh", which may be correct if you know what you're doing, but to a novice like me it looks like one begins with start and the other begins with mailman...should it be as written or modified? That is an error. It is start_mailman.sh. But I am concerned that with three references in Step 8 to the file as start_mailman.sh and just the one as mailman_start.sh, you only THINK it's a typo. Even though it's Terminal and not a GUI, if you can't recognize that as an obvious typo, you might well be in over your head. Running server software requires an understanding of how things should be working to recognize when they're not working. And also, I assume familiarity with a Terminal text editor. While I've given you the format of the Terminal command to edit the file in vi (and vi is not the only way to edit a text file, it's just the one I know and use), I have not given you all the needed vi commands to create the file. If you merely typed the lines I said need to be be in the file without any vi commands, you did not end up with the file you need. -- Larry Stone lston...@stonejongleux.com -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe:http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/wcook%40mycoachonline. com -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Setting Up Mailman
Your article is a LIFESAVER Larry, and I can GUARENTEE YOU that I'm in over my head! Hopefully with help I can muddle through this and learn something...the links to the screen shots should work now: http://www.mycoachonline.com/mailmanshots/ W :) Wayne Cook wc...@mycoachonline.com http://www.mycoachonline.com/ --- I've flown faster than the speed of sound, stared down a shark while standing on the ocean floor and launched men into space. Care to join me tomorrow? On Apr 18, 2012, at 11:09 AM, Larry Stone wrote: > On Wed, 18 Apr 2012, Wayne Cook wrote: > >> I'm trying to move mailman from OSX server to OSX client on a mac mini with >> OSX 10.6 installed on the machine. >> >> I'm not a terminal expert, but can usually follow and figure things out, so >> I'm attempting to follow these instructions as closely as possible: >> >> http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2010-May/069385.html > > I'm the author of that. > >> Obviously I'm not doing something correctly because stuff isn't giving me >> the correct response when I check to see what python processes are running. >> >> I have some screen shots here: >> >> http://www.mycoachonline.com/mailmanshots/ > > Unfortunately, that page appears to be broken. Firefox just displays the > alternate text and IE gives a red X. > >> PS I think there is a typo in step 8 of the instructions, but I've tried it >> as written and the two ways that I think it should be written. It says >> create "start_mailman.sh" and the next line is "vi mailman_start.sh", which >> may be correct if you know what you're doing, but to a novice like me it >> looks like one begins with start and the other begins with mailman...should >> it be as written or modified? > > That is an error. It is start_mailman.sh. > > But I am concerned that with three references in Step 8 to the file as > start_mailman.sh and just the one as mailman_start.sh, you only THINK it's a > typo. Even though it's Terminal and not a GUI, if you can't recognize that as > an obvious typo, you might well be in over your head. Running server software > requires an understanding of how things should be working to recognize when > they're not working. > > And also, I assume familiarity with a Terminal text editor. While I've given > you the format of the Terminal command to edit the file in vi (and vi is not > the only way to edit a text file, it's just the one I know and use), I have > not given you all the needed vi commands to create the file. If you merely > typed the lines I said need to be be in the file without any vi commands, you > did not end up with the file you need. > > -- Larry Stone > lston...@stonejongleux.com > -- > Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 > Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > Unsubscribe: > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/wcook%40mycoachonline.com -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Setting Up Mailman
On Wed, 18 Apr 2012, Wayne Cook wrote: I'm trying to move mailman from OSX server to OSX client on a mac mini with OSX 10.6 installed on the machine. I'm not a terminal expert, but can usually follow and figure things out, so I'm attempting to follow these instructions as closely as possible: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2010-May/069385.html I'm the author of that. Obviously I'm not doing something correctly because stuff isn't giving me the correct response when I check to see what python processes are running. I have some screen shots here: http://www.mycoachonline.com/mailmanshots/ Unfortunately, that page appears to be broken. Firefox just displays the alternate text and IE gives a red X. PS I think there is a typo in step 8 of the instructions, but I've tried it as written and the two ways that I think it should be written. It says create "start_mailman.sh" and the next line is "vi mailman_start.sh", which may be correct if you know what you're doing, but to a novice like me it looks like one begins with start and the other begins with mailman...should it be as written or modified? That is an error. It is start_mailman.sh. But I am concerned that with three references in Step 8 to the file as start_mailman.sh and just the one as mailman_start.sh, you only THINK it's a typo. Even though it's Terminal and not a GUI, if you can't recognize that as an obvious typo, you might well be in over your head. Running server software requires an understanding of how things should be working to recognize when they're not working. And also, I assume familiarity with a Terminal text editor. While I've given you the format of the Terminal command to edit the file in vi (and vi is not the only way to edit a text file, it's just the one I know and use), I have not given you all the needed vi commands to create the file. If you merely typed the lines I said need to be be in the file without any vi commands, you did not end up with the file you need. -- Larry Stone lston...@stonejongleux.com -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
[Mailman-Users] Setting Up Mailman
I'm trying to move mailman from OSX server to OSX client on a mac mini with OSX 10.6 installed on the machine. I'm not a terminal expert, but can usually follow and figure things out, so I'm attempting to follow these instructions as closely as possible: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2010-May/069385.html Obviously I'm not doing something correctly because stuff isn't giving me the correct response when I check to see what python processes are running. I have some screen shots here: http://www.mycoachonline.com/mailmanshots/ if anyone sees anything obvious or has some thoughts I'd love to hear them! Thanks W PS I think there is a typo in step 8 of the instructions, but I've tried it as written and the two ways that I think it should be written. It says create "start_mailman.sh" and the next line is "vi mailman_start.sh", which may be correct if you know what you're doing, but to a novice like me it looks like one begins with start and the other begins with mailman...should it be as written or modified? Wayne Cook wc...@mycoachonline.com http://www.mycoachonline.com/ --- I've flown faster than the speed of sound, stared down a shark while standing on the ocean floor and launched men into space. Care to join me tomorrow? -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
