[Mailman-Users] Mailman 2.1.15rc1 released

2012-05-16 Thread Mark Sapiro
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I am happy to announce the first release candidate for Mailman 2.1.15.

Python 2.4 is the minimum supported, but Python 2.6 is recommended.
This release should work with Python 2.7, but has not been tested with
that version.

This release includes minor security enhancements, new features and
bug fixes. See the Changelog at
https://launchpad.net/mailman/2.1/2.1.15rc1 for more details.

Mailman is free software for managing email mailing lists and
e-newsletters. Mailman is used for all the python.org and
SourceForge.net mailing lists, as well as at hundreds of other sites.

For more information, please see:

http://www.list.org
http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman

Mailman 2.1.15rc1 can be downloaded from

https://launchpad.net/mailman/2.1/
http://ftp.gnu.org/gnu/mailman/

It is anticipated that the 2.1.15 final release will be on or about
June 13. Bugs found between now and then will be fixed if possible,
but I hope that most if not all changes between now and June 13 will
be i18n updates. Please send any updates to the templates and/or
message catalogs in the 2.1.15rc1 release directly to me no later than
June 11.

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[Mailman-Users] Basic Mailing Lists vulnerable ?

2012-05-16 Thread Bernardo - HIT
Emails from a group in my Basic Mailing List 'can be found and read
by/from Google and other search engines. How can I do to hide these
e-mails/group, so that others can not read them? At this way, any one can
read the emails.

I didn't found any options about it.Some one can help me ?


Thks.
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[Mailman-Users] unsubscribe one user from many lists

2012-05-16 Thread Rafael Lang

Hi Mailmen and -women,

I'd like to administrate some ~20 email lists of a team of people 
working together via mailman. Once a user leaves the team, I should 
unsubscribe this user from all lists that he's on. How do I do this 
without having to click through 20 web interfaces?


First I thought, hey, I simply send an unsubscribe email, just like the 
subscribe email. Well, that doesn't work though, since unsubscription 
always requires the user password, which I don't have of course. So I 
searched around and found this thread:


http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2004-July/037815.html

about exactly this. Now, that suggests a global change by patching a 
python script. But since the mail server I'm using is actually for a 
whole institute, the administrator probably has little interest to 
globally change his Mailman/Commands/cmd_unsubscribe.py just because of 
my 20 mailing lists, in particular since some of his other lists may be 
more security sensitive than mine. In addition, if I try to patch this 
file rather than having some patch from somebody who actually knows 
python ;-) he probably won't like it anyway...


So I continued searching and stumbled across the possibility of doing 
this via wget:


http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2004-December/041214.html

and

http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2004-December/041220.html

Wow, that would be fantastic! :-) I could simply shell script that, not 
even worrying whether the user is subscribed to all 20 lists and just 
batch-unsubscribe (if the user wouldn't be on a given list, nothing 
would happen, so that's OK) Now, I'm not super sure I got the command 
line right, this is what I tried:


wget --post-data=adminpw=foobarunsubscribees=m...@somewhere.edu 
http://serveraddress/mailman/admin/mailinglistname/members/members/remove


and I also tried to directly enter

http://serveraddress/mailman/admin/mailinglistname/members/members/remove?adminpw=foobarunsubscribees=m...@somewhere.edu

into my browser. In both cases what I got back was:


headtitleBug in Mailman version 2.1.9/title/head
body bgcolor=#ffh2Bug in Mailman version 2.1.9/h2
ph3We're sorry, we hit a bug!/h3

pPlease inform the webmaster for this site of this
problem.  Printing of traceback and other system information has been
explicitly inhibited, but the webmaster can find this information in the
Mailman error logs.


and now I'm lost :-\ Can somebody help me? How can I unsubscribe a given 
user from a couple of mailing lists at the same time without having to 
go through the clumsy web interface for each of the mailing lists?


Your help is greatly appreciated - thank you very much!

Kind regards,
Rafael




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Re: [Mailman-Users] Basic Mailing Lists vulnerable ?

2012-05-16 Thread Mark Sapiro
Bernardo - HIT hit...@gmail.com wrote:

Emails from a group in my Basic Mailing List 'can be found and read
by/from Google and other search engines. How can I do to hide these
e-mails/group, so that others can not read them? At this way, any one can
read the emails.


In the web admin interface, set Archiving Options - archive_private to
Private.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] unsubscribe one user from many lists

2012-05-16 Thread Mark Sapiro
Rafael Lang wrote:

Now, I'm not super sure I got the command 
line right, this is what I tried:

wget --post-data=adminpw=foobarunsubscribees=m...@somewhere.edu 
http://serveraddress/mailman/admin/mailinglistname/members/members/remove

and I also tried to directly enter

http://serveraddress/mailman/admin/mailinglistname/members/members/remove?adminpw=foobarunsubscribees=m...@somewhere.edu

into my browser. In both cases what I got back was:


headtitleBug in Mailman version 2.1.9/title/head
body bgcolor=#ffh2Bug in Mailman version 2.1.9/h2
ph3We're sorry, we hit a bug!/h3

pPlease inform the webmaster for this site of this
problem.  Printing of traceback and other system information has been
explicitly inhibited, but the webmaster can find this information in the
Mailman error logs.


and now I'm lost :-\ Can somebody help me? How can I unsubscribe a given 
user from a couple of mailing lists at the same time without having to 
go through the clumsy web interface for each of the mailing lists?


It appears that you don't have command line access to Mailman, so the
obvious

  bin/remove_members --fromall u...@example.com

isn't something you can do. That probably also means you don't have
access to Mailman's error log to provide the traceback, however, I can
say what the issue might be. Your URLs are wrong. There should not be
two occurrences of /members in the URL. The 'bug' however is that the
script assumes there are values for the check boxes on the form. Thus,
you need something like 

wget
--post-data=adminpw=foobarsend_unsub_notifications_to_list_owner=0send_unsub_ack_to_this_batch=0unsubscribees=m...@somewhere.edu
http://serveraddress/mailman/admin/mailinglistname/members/remove

or

http://serveraddress/mailman/admin/mailinglistname/members/remove?adminpw=foobarsend_unsub_notifications_to_list_owner=0send_unsub_ack_to_this_batch=0unsubscribees=m...@somewhere.edu

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Ubuntu release of Mailman

2012-05-16 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Mark Sapiro writes:

  rant
  That sounds good,

Be fair, Mark. :-)  When the distro package works, it *is* good.  And
it works most of the time AFAIK.

  but evidently, judging from the number of Debian/Ubuntu packge
  users who come to this list with mail delivery issues because they
  have ended up with some Postfix configuration that combines Mailman
  aliases and postfix_to_mailman.py in incompatible ways, people
  don't look at the Debian documentation.

Well, that's hardly surprising.  I've almost never found Debian
package documentation useful.  But that's usually because it's
unneeded and therefore nonexistent.  Still, the result is that I
rarely even look for it, creature of habit (or lack thereof) that I
am.

Is the Debian packager here?

Or maybe we (== me FVO me in sometime in the summer *if* I'm
reminded) should go talk to them, and suggest improvements to the
package (for example, their debconf procedures and the post-
installation caveats that are displayed).  Maybe improve documents
(including our own -- our web pages should detect Debian/Ubuntu and
Red Hat/Fedora hosted browsers and display big You probably don't
want to read this, read your distro's docs instead warnings!)

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Ubuntu release of Mailman

2012-05-16 Thread Jérôme

Le 2012-05-16 09:27, Stephen J. Turnbull a écrit :


Maybe improve documents
(including our own -- our web pages should detect Debian/Ubuntu and
Red Hat/Fedora hosted browsers and display big You probably don't
want to read this, read your distro's docs instead warnings!)


Regarding this specific item, you shouldn't bother : there are chances 
that the mailman installation is on a server which is not the machine 
used to browse the documentation. However, you could leave this note to 
anyone : If you installed from a distro packege, you probably don't 
want to read this, read your distro's docs instead. Which would be 
kinda like having that specific entry in the FAQ moved to the top, 
blinking bold red.


Anyway, collaborating with the packagers to improve packages and avoid 
troubles in the first place is of course the best, yet time-costly.


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Re: [Mailman-Users] Ubuntu release of Mailman

2012-05-16 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Jérôme writes:

  Anyway, collaborating with the packagers to improve packages and avoid 
  troubles in the first place is of course the best, yet time-costly.

Ah, but Mark's time is the (second-most? :-)[1] valuable resource we
have.  That's why I've more or less volunteered.

Footnotes: 
[1]  Guess what's #1!

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Ubuntu release of Mailman

2012-05-16 Thread Adam McGreggor
On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 04:31:41PM -0700, Mark Sapiro wrote:
 That sounds good, but evidently, judging from the number of
 Debian/Ubuntu packge users who come to this list with mail delivery
 issues because they have ended up with some Postfix configuration that
 combines Mailman aliases and postfix_to_mailman.py in incompatible
 ways

They should be using Exim, and not the monstrosity that is
pkg-exim4...

( http://wiki.debian.org/DefaultMTA#Popcon_report_and_install_size )

(I have a deep dislike of Postfix, my solution to dealing with postfix
is `postconf -n  /root/postfix-perversions` and then `aptitude install
exim4-daemon-heavy`)

There does seem to be a disproportionate amount of postfix queries on
this list, yes.

 people don't look at the Debian documentation. 

But they don't. Part of this I think falls in to how apt handles
STDOUT during an installation. Imagine, if you will, installing thirty
or so packages, and each one, as it crops up, drops out a line or two;
they're not going to be seen, necessarily. Rather than ah, you should
read your apt.log, my approach would be to amalgamate all of those to
the end -- something I think Homebrew (and most Ruby Gems I've seen)
does fantastically well.

 They look at our
 installation manual or some incompatible web HowTo and wind up with a
 mess.
 
 I wish they all would read and comprehend the FAQ at
 http://wiki.list.org/x/OIDD.

I thought it was exim-users, or similar that would have in the
/listinfo/ page something to the effect of, use pkg-exim4-users if
you're a Debianista -- that seems to have gone now. I think Nigel's
on this list; am I mis-remembering?

 ONe of the reasons why installing from source is not exactly 
 straight-forward is that Debian has conventions for things like the user 
 accounts used for specific things.  If you're going to compile Mailman 
 from source on a Debian-based system, you'll need to either undermine a 
 lot of other things, or supply the appropriate configure flags so that 
 Mailman uses the accounts that Debian uses.

FWIW, I tend to use the Debian maintainers' versions of Exim, but have
a couple of patches that are manually applied (well, the deployment
system does them for me).

Packaged versions of software may not always be the most up-to date
version, but, for instance, IIRC, the XSS exploit was fixed-up fairly
quickly after announcement (the heads-up probably helped) -- certainly
more quickly than the time it would have taken for me to manually
apply the patch, 'properly' (rather than doing it from mutt...).

(If I wanted cutting edge, I'd use nightly/trunk from VCS... if it
wasn't bzr (never been able to get my head around it).)


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Re: [Mailman-Users] [Mailman-Developers] Mailman 2.1.15rc1 released

2012-05-16 Thread Odhiambo Washington
On Wed, May 16, 2012 at 8:57 AM, Mark Sapiro m...@msapiro.net wrote:

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 I am happy to announce the first release candidate for Mailman 2.1.15.

 Python 2.4 is the minimum supported, but Python 2.6 is recommended.
 This release should work with Python 2.7, but has not been tested with
 that version.

 This release includes minor security enhancements, new features and
 bug fixes. See the Changelog at
 https://launchpad.net/mailman/2.1/2.1.15rc1 for more details.


Do I still need these patches for 2.1.15:

htdig-patch
indexing-patch

I can't seem to find them though:(



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Re: [Mailman-Users] unsubscribe one user from many lists

2012-05-16 Thread Rafael Lang

Hi Mark,

doh - a simple typo on my end, you're right! So I now use wget for both 
(batch) subscription and unsubscription, this works like a charm.


Very nice. Thank you very much!

Cheers,
Rafael



On 05/16/2012 02:47 AM, Mark Sapiro wrote:

Rafael Lang wrote:


Now, I'm not super sure I got the command
line right, this is what I tried:

wget --post-data=adminpw=foobarunsubscribees=m...@somewhere.edu
http://serveraddress/mailman/admin/mailinglistname/members/members/remove

and I also tried to directly enter

http://serveraddress/mailman/admin/mailinglistname/members/members/remove?adminpw=foobarunsubscribees=m...@somewhere.edu

into my browser. In both cases what I got back was:


headtitleBug in Mailman version 2.1.9/title/head
body bgcolor=#ffh2Bug in Mailman version 2.1.9/h2
ph3We're sorry, we hit a bug!/h3

pPlease inform the webmaster for this site of this
problem.  Printing of traceback and other system information has been
explicitly inhibited, but the webmaster can find this information in the
Mailman error logs.


and now I'm lost :-\ Can somebody help me? How can I unsubscribe a given
user from a couple of mailing lists at the same time without having to
go through the clumsy web interface for each of the mailing lists?



It appears that you don't have command line access to Mailman, so the
obvious

   bin/remove_members --fromall u...@example.com

isn't something you can do. That probably also means you don't have
access to Mailman's error log to provide the traceback, however, I can
say what the issue might be. Your URLs are wrong. There should not be
two occurrences of /members in the URL. The 'bug' however is that the
script assumes there are values for the check boxes on the form. Thus,
you need something like

wget
--post-data=adminpw=foobarsend_unsub_notifications_to_list_owner=0send_unsub_ack_to_this_batch=0unsubscribees=m...@somewhere.edu
http://serveraddress/mailman/admin/mailinglistname/members/remove

or

http://serveraddress/mailman/admin/mailinglistname/members/remove?adminpw=foobarsend_unsub_notifications_to_list_owner=0send_unsub_ack_to_this_batch=0unsubscribees=m...@somewhere.edu


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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman 2.1.15rc1 released

2012-05-16 Thread Mark Sapiro
Odhiambo Washington wrote:

Do I still need these patches for 2.1.15:

htdig-patch
indexing-patch

I can't seem to find them though:(


My version of these patches has been combined into a single
index_htdig.patch which you can find at http://www.msapiro.net/mm/
and http://fog.ccsf.cc.ca.us/~msapiro/mm/, however I haven't yet
made a 2.1.15 version of this patch, but the 2.1.14 version should
apply with only line number offsets.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman 2.1.15rc1 released

2012-05-16 Thread Odhiambo Washington
On Wed, May 16, 2012 at 6:19 PM, Mark Sapiro m...@msapiro.net wrote:

 Odhiambo Washington wrote:
 
 Do I still need these patches for 2.1.15:
 
 htdig-patch
 indexing-patch
 
 I can't seem to find them though:(


 My version of these patches has been combined into a single
 index_htdig.patch which you can find at http://www.msapiro.net/mm/
 and http://fog.ccsf.cc.ca.us/~msapiro/mm/, however I haven't yet
 made a 2.1.15 version of this patch, but the 2.1.14 version should
 apply with only line number offsets.



Please let me know when these patches are updated. I can then start testing
2.1.5.
I wouldn't want to inconvenience those who use the web-based search.



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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman 2.1.15rc1 released

2012-05-16 Thread Mark Sapiro
Odhiambo Washington wrote:

Please let me know when these patches are updated. I can then start testing
2.1.5.
I wouldn't want to inconvenience those who use the web-based search.


In the mean time, you can just apply the
http://www.msapiro.net/mm/index_htdig.patch.2.1.14 patch. You should
see only line number offsets and no rejects when applying this patch,
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Sevier Issue with mails, are these compromised?

2012-05-16 Thread Amit Bhatt
I've also come to know there are installer script available to get rid of 
this problem, is it so? I am also suggested to use throttling. Does it solve 
such issues?


Regards,

Amit Bhatt
- Original Message - 
From: Larry Stone lston...@stonejongleux.com

To: Mailman-Users@python.org
Sent: Monday, May 14, 2012 10:11 PM
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Sevier Issue with mails, are these compromised?



On Mon, 14 May 2012, Amit Bhatt wrote:

Today, I've got an E-Mail from them saying that as per the mail policy, 
our members can send 500 mails per hour but we are exceeding the number 
of mails a day!


While the fact is we have around 360 members and we send hardly 50 to 60 
messages in entire day of 24:00.


so, I am unable to understand what's wrong with us. Are some of our mails 
account got hacked and compromised?


I suspect you don't understand how emails are counted. Each list message 
to each recipinet probably counts as one email. If I'm understanding you 
correctly, your are sending 50 to 60 messages per day to 360 users. 50 
times 360 is 18,000 outgoing messages per day.


Hostgator team has send me the number of messages and Email addresses 
sent from:

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That fits with my assumption above.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Sevier Issue with mails, are these compromised?

2012-05-16 Thread David
Are you referring to the problem that your daily email traffic is 11,655 or
more and your host has specific quotas that limit your email volume?

If the quota is 500 per hour, that is 12,000 messages total in 24 hours. As
you mentioned, your traffic can exceed that level (18,000 outgoing messages
per day was mentioned in a prior message). So throttling will not totally
solve your problem. It might help a little, but it doesn't sound like a
long term solution.

I have no idea how an installer script could possibly help. I would say
that's likely a misunderstanding. Don't expect an installer script to
magically reduce your traffic level or increase your quota on your current
host. An installer script might be part of the solution if you move to a
new host.

Why don't you contact some potential new hosts and see who is willing to
help you migrate your list to their service?

Good luck.



On Wed, May 16, 2012 at 12:56 PM, Amit Bhatt misterbh...@gmail.com wrote:

 I've also come to know there are installer script available to get rid of
 this problem, is it so? I am also suggested to use throttling. Does it
 solve such issues?


 Regards,

 Amit Bhatt
 - Original Message - From: Larry Stone 
 lston...@stonejongleux.com
 To: Mailman-Users@python.org
 Sent: Monday, May 14, 2012 10:11 PM
 Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Sevier Issue with mails, are these
 compromised?


  On Mon, 14 May 2012, Amit Bhatt wrote:

  Today, I've got an E-Mail from them saying that as per the mail policy,
 our members can send 500 mails per hour but we are exceeding the number of
 mails a day!


  While the fact is we have around 360 members and we send hardly 50 to 60
 messages in entire day of 24:00.


  so, I am unable to understand what's wrong with us. Are some of our
 mails account got hacked and compromised?


 I suspect you don't understand how emails are counted. Each list message
 to each recipinet probably counts as one email. If I'm understanding you
 correctly, your are sending 50 to 60 messages per day to 360 users. 50
 times 360 is 18,000 outgoing messages per day.

  Hostgator team has send me the number of messages and Email addresses
 sent from:
 --
 sayeverything-bounces@**sayeverything.orgsayeverything-boun...@sayeverything.org:
 11,655


 That fits with my assumption above.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman 2.1.15rc1 released

2012-05-16 Thread Mark Sapiro
Mark Sapiro wrote:

In the mean time, you can just apply the
http://www.msapiro.net/mm/index_htdig.patch.2.1.14 patch. You should
see only line number offsets and no rejects when applying this patch,
and it should work.


There is now an index_htdig.patch.2.1.15 patch with correct line
numbers for 2.1.15 at both http://www.msapiro.net/mm/ and
http://fog.ccsf.edu/~msapiro/mm/.

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