[Mailman-Users] where can I find a searchable archive of list mails?
for claws-mail specifically? (but not only) TIA Dave -- Sometimes I wonder whether the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on or by imbeciles who really believe it. Mark Twain -- Mailman-Users mailing list -- mailman-users@python.org To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-le...@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.python.org/ Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: https://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users@python.org/ https://mail.python.org/archives/list/mailman-users@python.org/
[Mailman-Users] setting up mailman lists from the command line
I have a currently small number of internet connected sensors and would like to send email messages to list subscribers about interesting measurements. I would like to send readings to only those subscribers who are interested in specific sensors. I've been using Virtualmin to set up the lists but it's getting to be too much work. Is there a way I can set up a mailing list from the command line? I'm thinking I'll script a way for the users to do this. I'd be happy to read instructions if referred. Thanks! Dave -- Sometimes I wonder whether the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on or by imbeciles who really believe it. Mark Twain -- Mailman-Users mailing list -- mailman-users@python.org To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-le...@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.python.org/ Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: https://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users@python.org/ https://mail.python.org/archives/list/mailman-users@python.org/
[Mailman-Users] about Mailman and RMS
will everyone please shut up about Richard Stallman or migrate the rants to another list? -- Mailman-Users mailing list -- mailman-users@python.org To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-le...@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.python.org/ Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: https://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users@python.org/ https://mail.python.org/archives/list/mailman-users@python.org/
Re: [Mailman-Users] The last release from the GNU Mailman project (was: Handling Munged From Addresses)
On Sat, 29 Feb 2020 10:53:19 -0500 Jim Popovitch via Mailman-Users wrote: > but I have vague recollections that both Barry and Mark have > > said repeatedly that doing so would be substantially anything built on the > > MM2 > > architecture. assuming that's so I think the "anything built on the MM2 architecture" is perhaps misconceived. I don't need to be told that MM2 is awkward to set up and run but millions of people get and send mail that way every day and it mostly "just works." This very large body of users it what matters most to actually getting work done, not the developers' wishes and preferences - "more effort than they are willing to put into...". I think increasingly as time goes by that the new New Coke analogy is a good fit. D -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
[Mailman-Users] bug
Bug in Mailman version 2.1.26 We're sorry, we hit a bug! Please inform the webmaster for this site of this problem. Printing of traceback and other system information has been explicitly inhibited, but the webmaster can find this information in the Mailman error logs. I was trying to log in to the mailman pending admin tasks page to delete an attempted post by a non-member. in /var/log/mailman/error is: admin(22004): [- Traceback --] admin(22004): Traceback (most recent call last): admin(22004): File "/var/lib/mailman/scripts/driver", line 117, in run_main admin(22004): main() admin(22004): File "/var/lib/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admindb.py", line 219, in main admin(22004): mlist.Lock() admin(22004): File "/var/lib/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 162, in Lock admin(22004): self.__lock.lock(timeout) admin(22004): File "/var/lib/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.py", line 243, in lock admin(22004): self.__write() admin(22004): File "/var/lib/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.py", line 422, in __write admin(22004): fp = open(self.__tmpfname, 'w') admin(22004): IOError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: '/var/lib/mailman/locks/amsmembers.lock.web6.bcenclave.ca.22004.0' admin(22004): [- Python Information -] admin(22004): sys.version = 2.7.15+ (default, Oct 7 2019, 17:39:04) [GCC 7.4.0] admin(22004): sys.executable = /usr/bin/python admin(22004): sys.prefix = /usr admin(22004): sys.exec_prefix = /usr admin(22004): sys.path= ['/var/lib/mailman/pythonlib', '/var/lib/mailman', '/usr/lib/mailman/scripts', '/var/lib/mailman', '/usr/lib/python2.7', '/usr/lib/python2.7/plat-x86_64-linux-gnu', '/usr/lib/python2.7/lib-tk', '/usr/lib/python2.7/lib-old', '/usr/lib/python2.7/lib-dynload', '/usr/lib/python2.7/site-packages', '/usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages'] admin(22004): sys.platform= linux2 admin(22004): [- Environment Variables -] admin(22004): CONTENT_LENGTH: 40 admin(22004): SERVER_NAME: cleanairplan.ca admin(22004): SERVER_PORT: 1 admin(22004): HTTPS: ON admin(22004): HTTP_COOKIE: admin(22004): REMOTE_ADDR: 207.194.211.2 admin(22004): PYTHONPATH: /var/lib/mailman admin(22004): PATH_INFO: /amsmembers admin(22004): SCRIPT_NAME: /virtualmin-mailman/unauthenticated/admindb.cgi admin(22004): REQUEST_METHOD: POST admin(22004): HTTP_HOST: cleanairplan.ca:1 admin(22004): USER: www-data admin(22004): CONTENT_TYPE: application/x-www-form-urlencoded admin(22004): SERVER_PROTOCOL: HTTP/1.0 admin(22004): QUERY_STRING: admin(22004): LOGNAME: www-data admin(22004): REQUEST_URI: /virtualmin-mailman/unauthenticated/admindb.cgi/amsmembers admin(22004): DOCUMENT_ROOT: /usr/share/webmin I don't know what to do about this. Dave -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Migrated Mailman to another server
On Fri, 31 May 2019 14:34:19 -0400 Ryan McClung wrote: > I figured it out. what was the fix? -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
[Mailman-Users] email to sms?
Hi, I've been using mailman to send routine announcements for a long time and more and more what people want is a text message. I've been able to discover gateways for individual carriers so that I can send to @..com and the subscriber gets a text, so phone notification which is quick and handy. This has been well received. I've been looking at the list of carriers getting longer and have looked into email to sms services but what I've seen has been commercial and too expensive. Is there a collaborative or open source email to sms project? Can anyone refer me to better information? I've been pretty much just casting around so far. TIA. Dave -- In modern fantasy (literary or governmental), killing people is the usual solution to the so-called war between good and evil. My books are not conceived in terms of such a war, and offer no simple answers to simplistic questions. - Ursula Le Guin -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
[Mailman-Users] Mailman architectural overview incomplete?
This document: http://terri.zone12.com/doc/mailman/mailman-admin.pdf describes on p. 4 the basics of incoming queue management. But it stops with outgoing queue details absent. Is this written up somewhere? Dave -- In modern fantasy (literary or governmental), killing people is the usual solution to the so-called war between good and evil. My books are not conceived in terms of such a war, and offer no simple answers to simplistic questions. - Ursula Le Guin -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
[Mailman-Users] most recent docs?
Mark suggested I take up an issue with my distro maintainers which I've done. One part of that is reading the admin guide dated June 2, 2017 and written by Barry Warsaw. There's another such document at https://wiki.list.org/DOC/Mailman%202.1%20List%20Administrators%20Manual?highlight=%28admin%29%7C%28warsaw%29 and isn't clear to me which is most up to date. Anyone know? Dave -- In modern fantasy (literary or governmental), killing people is the usual solution to the so-called war between good and evil. My books are not conceived in terms of such a war, and offer no simple answers to simplistic questions. - Ursula Le Guin -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
[Mailman-Users] I'm doing as check_perms suggests with no change - what next?
root@web6:/var/lib/mailman/archives/private/stewards# check_perms -f /var/lib/mailman/scripts bad group (has: root, expected list) (fixing) /var/lib/mailman/locks bad group (has: root, expected list) (fixing) /var/lib/mailman/Mailman bad group (has: root, expected list) (fixing) /var/lib/mailman/templates bad group (has: root, expected list) (fixing) /var/lib/mailman/icons bad group (has: root, expected list) (fixing) /var/lib/mailman/mail bad group (has: root, expected list) (fixing) /var/lib/mailman/cron bad group (has: root, expected list) (fixing) /var/lib/mailman/cgi-bin bad group (has: root, expected list) (fixing) /var/lib/mailman/logs bad group (has: root, expected list) (fixing) /var/lib/mailman/bin bad group (has: root, expected list) (fixing) Problems found: 10 Re-run as list (or root) with -f flag to fix I'be repeated this several times and don't see what to do. Ideas? Dave -- "As long as politics is the shadow cast on society by big business, the attenuation of the shadow will not change the substance." -- John Dewey -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] debugging help - logs show mailman post executed but no mail
On Thu, 4 Oct 2018 19:16:24 -0700 Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 10/04/2018 05:03 PM, Dave Stevens wrote: > > > > The list exists, the sender is subscribed and unmoderated the > > destination email exists, the post operation seems to have worked > > (where's the logfile???) but no mail delivered. > > > > Where should I be looking? > > > In Mailman's logs. Particularly 'error', 'post', 'smtp' and > 'smtp-failure'. Where they are depends on how Mailman was installed, > possibly /usr/lib/mailman/logs/ or /var/lib/mailman/logs/ or > /var/log/mailman/ or elsewhere depending on how Mailman was > configured/packaged. > > If there is no error or smtp failure and there are entries in the > 'post' and 'smtp' logs, then the message was delivered to the > outgoing MTA. > files from /var/log/mailman: error exists and has a few entries but none as recent as Oct 3 which is the failure date. post has this content only: Oct 01 17:13:04 2018 (2966) post to amsdirectors from g...@uniserve.com, size=2919, message-id=<20181001171248.33c61328@user-Satellite-A100>, success I can confirm that this was delivered, I received it. smtp, dated Oct 1 and smtp.1, dated Oct 2, are zero bytes no file smtp-failure and from syslog.1 this excerpt at the relevant time: Oct 3 18:02:11 web5 postfix/smtpd[23732]: connect from apps-kam-2.gov.bc.ca[142.34.224.137] Oct 3 18:02:11 web5 postfix/smtpd[23732]: C21AE8ED2DF: client=apps-kam-2.gov.bc.ca[142.34.224.137] Oct 3 18:02:11 web5 postfix/cleanup[4673]: C21AE8ED2DF: message-id=<201810040102.w9412abv006...@apps-kam-2.gov.bc.ca> Oct 3 18:02:11 web5 postfix/qmgr[1546]: C21AE8ED2DF: from=, size=1268, nrcpt=1 (queue active) Oct 3 18:02:12 web5 postfix/smtpd[23732]: disconnect from apps-kam-2.gov.bc.ca[142.34.224.137] Oct 3 18:02:12 web5 postfix/local[4674]: C21AE8ED2DF:this point then deleted to=, orig_to=, relay=local, delay=0.92, delays=0.2/0.01/0/0.71, dsn=2.0.0, status=sent (delivered to command: /usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman post kitimat) Oct 3 18:02:12 web5 postfix/qmgr[1546]: C21AE8ED2DF: removed so to me this looks just like a normal delivery. I think it must be the case that mailman handed off the delivery to postfix at this point then deleted the message. But then why no actual delivery? D -- In modern fantasy (literary or governmental), killing people is the usual solution to the so-called war between good and evil. My books are not conceived in terms of such a war, and offer no simple answers to simplistic questions. - Ursula Le Guin -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
[Mailman-Users] debugging help - logs show mailman post executed but no mail
so like this: postfix/local[12525]: 0558C8ECC0F: to=, orig_to=, relay=local, delay=0.75, delays=0.09/0/0/0.66, dsn=2.0.0, status=sent (delivered to command: /usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman post daveonly) The list exists, the sender is subscribed and unmoderated the destination email exists, the post operation seems to have worked (where's the logfile???) but no mail delivered. Where should I be looking? D -- In modern fantasy (literary or governmental), killing people is the usual solution to the so-called war between good and evil. My books are not conceived in terms of such a war, and offer no simple answers to simplistic questions. - Ursula Le Guin -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
[Mailman-Users] don't see where the mail is disappearing to
I've got a set of lists that work as announcement only and which have been working fine. Between yesterday and today something has changed that results in no mail being distributed. I'm on the distribution lists. When I look at the debian /var/log/mail.log tail I see notifications about the relevant lists with a suffix (queue active). I take it that this indicates that mail can be sent in principle, is that right? Any suggestions about where to look for more info welcome. D -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] two problems with Mailman 2.1
On Thu, 1 Feb 2018 15:12:44 -0800 Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 02/01/2018 12:41 PM, Dave Stevens wrote: > > I?m having a couple of problems with a Mailman 2.1 list. > > > > I want to add several addresses as new subscribers so as a first > > step I added one of them using the mass subscription facility in > > membership management. Mailman accepted the data but when I > > subsequently checked the subscriber list it wasn?t there. This has > > been the case for two days now. > > > When you submitted the mass subscribe form the first time, did you > get a response with a message at the top saying "successfully > subscribed" or did it say something else. > > > > Today I checked manually that the recipient address was in fact > > working and decided to resubscribe using the same method. I enter > > the data in the text box (I?ve done this several times) then click > > on the "submit your changes" button below and get this > > message, ?Error: The form lifetime has expired. (request forgery > > check)? > > > > This happens without any special delay on my part, not more than a > > few minutes. Please advise. > > > You need to first get the form and then submit it within whatever the > FORM_LIFETIME setting is in your installation. The default is one hour > but could be different in your installation. > > I suspect the issue is something else. I don't know what the issue > might be, but one thing to check is to look at the HTML source of the > admin/LIST_NAME/members/add page in your browser. The FORM tag in that > source should be > > enctype="multipart/form-data"> > > If instead it is something like > > http://example.com/mailman/admin/gpc-talk/members/add"; > method="POST" enctype="multipart/form-data"> > > And the URL in the address bar is different, i.e. a different domain > or a different scheme (like https vs http) that might be an issue. > > Is this your Mailman installation or a hosted installation? > > Do other 'admin' and 'admindb' pages work? I.e. if you change > something on the admin General Options page and submit, does it work > or produce the same form lifetime error? > Hi Mark, I eventually found withlist, which I hadn't know about before and that allowed me to do what I needed, even though the GUI is still not functional. Thhanks very much for your help. D -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] two problems with Mailman 2.1
On Thu, 1 Feb 2018 15:12:44 -0800 Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 02/01/2018 12:41 PM, Dave Stevens wrote: > > I?m having a couple of problems with a Mailman 2.1 list. fwiw this has now been deemed a bug by virtualimin whose installer put the list in place. After a recent VM upgrade this started happening. It's being worked on I'll post a fix if one develops Dave > > > > I want to add several addresses as new subscribers so as a first > > step I added one of them using the mass subscription facility in > > membership management. Mailman accepted the data but when I > > subsequently checked the subscriber list it wasn?t there. This has > snip! -- In modern fantasy (literary or governmental), killing people is the usual solution to the so-called war between good and evil. My books are not conceived in terms of such a war, and offer no simple answers to simplistic questions. - Ursula Le Guin -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
[Mailman-Users] two problems with Mailman 2.1
I?m having a couple of problems with a Mailman 2.1 list. I want to add several addresses as new subscribers so as a first step I added one of them using the mass subscription facility in membership management. Mailman accepted the data but when I subsequently checked the subscriber list it wasn?t there. This has been the case for two days now. Today I checked manually that the recipient address was in fact working and decided to resubscribe using the same method. I enter the data in the text box (I?ve done this several times) then click on the "submit your changes" button below and get this message, ?Error: The form lifetime has expired. (request forgery check)? This happens without any special delay on my part, not more than a few minutes. Please advise. Dave -- "As long as politics is the shadow cast on society by big business, the attenuation of the shadow will not change the substance." -- John Dewey -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] fix permissions error?
Quoting Mark Sapiro : On 05/09/2017 08:32 AM, Dave Stevens wrote: administrator@web5:/var/lib/mailman/bin$ sudo ./check_perms -f /var/lib/mailman/logs bad group (has: root, expected list) (fixing) /var/lib/mailman/cron bad group (has: root, expected list) (fixing) /var/lib/mailman/cgi-bin bad group (has: root, expected list) (fixing) /var/lib/mailman/bin bad group (has: root, expected list) (fixing) /var/lib/mailman/scripts bad group (has: root, expected list) (fixing) /var/lib/mailman/mail bad group (has: root, expected list) (fixing) /var/lib/mailman/Mailman bad group (has: root, expected list) (fixing) /var/lib/mailman/icons bad group (has: root, expected list) (fixing) /var/lib/mailman/templates bad group (has: root, expected list) (fixing) /var/lib/mailman/locks bad group (has: root, expected list) (fixing) Problems found: 10 Re-run as list (or root) with -f flag to fix after several iterations I still don't see what to do. Doesn't seem to be really fixing anything. Also what list?? I'm guessing that this is a Debian/Ubuntu package. If you look you'ss find all those paths are in fact symlinks to other directories and the group and permissions on the actual directory are fine. check_perms can't actually change the symlink group and it's not relevant anyway. the 'list' in 'Re-run as list (or root) with -f flag to fix' refers to the user 'list' which is the Debian/Ubuntu Mailman user, not to a Mailman list. In any case, do you have a problem other than the spurious report from check_perms? yes. I made a new empty list and added myself to it and then got this message (as usual): The web page for users of your mailing list is: http://choked.ca/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/davedave Clicking on the link gives first the info page and clicking on its archive link gives: Forbidden You don't have permission to access /pipermail/davedave/ on this server. And that's the issue I was hoping to address by the permissions fix. Dave -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/geek%40uniserve.com -- "As long as politics is the shadow cast on society by big business, the attenuation of the shadow will not change the substance." -- John Dewey -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
[Mailman-Users] fix permissions error?
administrator@web5:/var/lib/mailman/bin$ sudo ./check_perms -f /var/lib/mailman/logs bad group (has: root, expected list) (fixing) /var/lib/mailman/cron bad group (has: root, expected list) (fixing) /var/lib/mailman/cgi-bin bad group (has: root, expected list) (fixing) /var/lib/mailman/bin bad group (has: root, expected list) (fixing) /var/lib/mailman/scripts bad group (has: root, expected list) (fixing) /var/lib/mailman/mail bad group (has: root, expected list) (fixing) /var/lib/mailman/Mailman bad group (has: root, expected list) (fixing) /var/lib/mailman/icons bad group (has: root, expected list) (fixing) /var/lib/mailman/templates bad group (has: root, expected list) (fixing) /var/lib/mailman/locks bad group (has: root, expected list) (fixing) Problems found: 10 Re-run as list (or root) with -f flag to fix after several iterations I still don't see what to do. Doesn't seem to be really fixing anything. Also what list?? Anyone? Dave -- "As long as politics is the shadow cast on society by big business, the attenuation of the shadow will not change the substance." -- John Dewey -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
[Mailman-Users] failure to send message to list
This morning PST I sent a message to a mailman list called amsmembers, syslog output here: Jan 9 11:44:13 web5 postfix/local[7403]: 749618E4CAF: to=, orig_to=, relay=local, delay=0.44, delays=0.18/0.01/0/0.25, dsn=2.0.0, status=sent (delivered to command: /usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman post amsmembers) This message has not been delivered as far as I can see (I'm a subscriber). I've tested another list on that server to which I'm the only subscriber and no luck there either. The /var/log/mailman/post logfile shows no posts after Jan 8th, yesterday. I've restarted postfix and checked the pending admin tasks in mailman web interface with no pending work. Where should I look for further info? Dave -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
[Mailman-Users] edit confirmation request?
I have a potentially large subset of users for a new list whose firm will make difficulties about them clicking on a link in Mailman's confirmation request email. I'd like them to only have the option to reply in order to confirm. I don't see a way to edit the confirmation email's text or, alternatively, to turn off the clickthrough option for new subscriptions. Anyone know how to do this? D -- Reporter to Mahatma Ghandi after his tour of east London "What do you think of western civilization, Mr. Ghandi?" Ghandi - "I think it would be an excellent idea!" -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] logfiles description
On Sat, 17 Dec 2016 10:54:42 -0800 Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 12/17/2016 10:06 AM, Dave Stevens wrote: > > > > I see logfiles in /var/log/mailman/en but it isn't obvious (or not > > obvious enough anyway) what they all do. The wiki doesn't appear to > > describe them, can anyone refer me? > > > > What Mailman package is this? I'm using virtualmin pro as a site admin and mailman is implemented as a webmin plugin. See here: http://www.webmin.com/plugins.html In the plugins page in Virtualmin is a config page that allows path configuration. > > In a default source install, Mailman's log files are in > /usr/local/mailman/logs/ or in logs/ in the 'var_prefix' directory. > > Some packages put them in /var/log/mailman/. I've never seen them in > /var/log/mailman/en/. mea culpa, not in ../en just in /var/log/mailman as you said > > The logs Mailman writes are: > > bounce - information related to automated bounce processing > error - information and tracebacks from unanticipated exceptions > and other error info. > fromusenet - information about the mail<->news gateway > locks - information about lockfile anomalies > mischief - information about unpermitted actions such as login >failures for lists with private rosters as these can >be attempts to fish for list membership. > post - information about delivered posts > qrunner - qrunner start/stop and other status messages > smtp - all Mailman's outgoing smtp sessions > smtp-failure - failed outgoing smtp transactions > subscribe - information about (un)subscriptions > vette - information about things held for moderator approval > and other similar events. > > I just added <https://wiki.list.org/x/17892009> to the wiki with this > info. > good, thanks! D -- Reporter to Mahatma Ghandi after his tour of east London "What do you think of western civilization, Mr. Ghandi?" Ghandi - "I think it would be an excellent idea!" -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
[Mailman-Users] logfiles description
I see logfiles in /var/log/mailman/en but it isn't obvious (or not obvious enough anyway) what they all do. The wiki doesn't appear to describe them, can anyone refer me? D -- Reporter to Mahatma Ghandi after his tour of east London "What do you think of western civilization, Mr. Ghandi?" Ghandi - "I think it would be an excellent idea!" -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] formatting issue? [solved]
On Sun, 11 Dec 2016 19:28:50 -0800 Dave Stevens wrote: > I'm trying to subscribe to a list by sending to > -requ...@domain.tld with a blank subject line and then two > subscribe commands in the body, like this > > subscribe=addr...@domain.tld > subscribe=phonenum...@phoneprovider.com > > the second command phonenumber is formatted as nnn-nnn- > > Mailman rejects the second line saying "unprocessed" I don't know why. > Do I need to use a different format? > > Dave > > sorry for the noise, there was a previous error processing commands d -- Reporter to Mahatma Ghandi after his tour of east London "What do you think of western civilization, Mr. Ghandi?" Ghandi - "I think it would be an excellent idea!" -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
[Mailman-Users] formatting issue?
I'm trying to subscribe to a list by sending to -requ...@domain.tld with a blank subject line and then two subscribe commands in the body, like this subscribe=addr...@domain.tld subscribe=phonenum...@phoneprovider.com the second command phonenumber is formatted as nnn-nnn- Mailman rejects the second line saying "unprocessed" I don't know why. Do I need to use a different format? Dave -- Reporter to Mahatma Ghandi after his tour of east London "What do you think of western civilization, Mr. Ghandi?" Ghandi - "I think it would be an excellent idea!" -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] pending status in mailman subscribe log file
On Sat, 10 Dec 2016 12:19:09 -0800 Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 12/10/2016 11:30 AM, Dave Stevens wrote: > > in a new setup I have a problem with the would-be subscriber > > sending to list-request and the /var/log/mailman/subscribe file > > shows the request at an appropriate place with the correct info and > > status "pending" > > > A confirmation request email was sent and Mailman is waiting for the > user's confirmation. > > > > The user has not received a verification email. Where should I look > > to see what has happened? I've checked the mailman administration > > page for that list and see no pending admin tasks. Mailman 2.1.16 > > on a ubuntu 14.04 system. > > > Look in the system's mail log for the disposition of the confirmation > request (very close in time to the subscribe log message). Most > likely, it will have been sent and accepted by the MX for the user's > domain. > > If so, the user should look in the her spam folder. > > Other possibilities are the user's ISP silently discarded or rejected > the message after accepting it. In the latter case there should be a > DSN logged in your mail log and possibly something in Mailman's > bounce log. > > All this assumes nothing seriously wrong happened in Mailman, but if > it did, there should be something in Mailman's error log. > very good, I'll check those places. Thanks a lot! d -- Reporter to Mahatma Ghandi after his tour of east London "What do you think of western civilization, Mr. Ghandi?" Ghandi - "I think it would be an excellent idea!" -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
[Mailman-Users] pending status in mailman subscribe log file
in a new setup I have a problem with the would-be subscriber sending to list-request and the /var/log/mailman/subscribe file shows the request at an appropriate place with the correct info and status "pending" The user has not received a verification email. Where should I look to see what has happened? I've checked the mailman administration page for that list and see no pending admin tasks. Mailman 2.1.16 on a ubuntu 14.04 system. Dave -- Reporter to Mahatma Ghandi after his tour of east London "What do you think of western civilization, Mr. Ghandi?" Ghandi - "I think it would be an excellent idea!" -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] subscribe to mailman for someone else
Quoting Mark Sapiro : On 11/16/2016 01:44 PM, Dave Stevens wrote: sorry not to have been more specific Mark, but what you say is in fact very close and may be what I want, I'll need to do a test. When you say above send a message with the command, where is the command? in the subject line? or body? Either one. Mail sent to the LISTNAME-request address is processed as follows: If the Subject: contains a valid command or a valid command preceded by a single 'word' such as Re:, Fwd:, etc., that command is processed. Otherwise the Subject: is ignored. Then, regardless of the Subject:, Mailman continues to process body lines from the first text/plain part in the message as commands until one of the following occurs: 1) a non-blank line does not contain a valid command or 2) an 'end' command is processed or 3) a total of DEFAULT_MAIL_COMMANDS_MAX_LINES (default = 25) including blank lines is seen or 4) the end of the message part is reached. Thus, with the default DEFAULT_MAIL_COMMANDS_MAX_LINES = 25 not overridden in mm_cfg.py, you could send up to 26 subscribe commands, one in the Subject: and 25 in the body, in one message. Send a 'help' command to the LISTNAME-request address for more info on email commands. will do, thanks very much! d -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/geek%40uniserve.com -- "As long as politics is the shadow cast on society by big business, the attenuation of the shadow will not change the substance." -- John Dewey -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] subscribe to mailman for someone else
On Wed, 16 Nov 2016 12:49:34 -0800 Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 11/16/2016 11:17 AM, Dave Stevens wrote: > > I have a web form that gathers user data, including their email > > address for the purpose of, among other things, subscribing them to > > a mailman list. I don't see how to do this. Is it possible? This is > > for people who already want to be on the list. Confirmation as > > usual to the new subscriber. Mailman 2.1.16 > > > It's difficult to answer without knowing how you do subscribes, but if > you do them by email commands, you can send a message to > listname-requ...@example.com with the command > > subscribe [password] [digest|nodigest] [address=] > > Subscribe to this mailing list. Your password must be given to > unsubscribe or change your options, but if you omit the password, > one will be generated for you. You may be periodically reminded of > your password. > > The next argument may be either: `nodigest' or `digest' (no > quotes!). If you wish to subscribe an address other than the address > you sent this request from, you may specify `address=' (no > brackets around the email address, and no quotes!) > > And, there are various web ways to do it. See > <https://wiki.list.org/x/4030648>. > > If this isn't what you're looking for, blease be more specific as to > how you want to do this. sorry not to have been more specific Mark, but what you say is in fact very close and may be what I want, I'll need to do a test. When you say above send a message with the command, where is the command? in the subject line? or body? Dave > -- Reporter to Mahatma Ghandi after his tour of east London "What do you think of western civilization, Mr. Ghandi?" Ghandi - "I think it would be an excellent idea!" -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
[Mailman-Users] subscribe to mailman for someone else
I have a web form that gathers user data, including their email address for the purpose of, among other things, subscribing them to a mailman list. I don't see how to do this. Is it possible? This is for people who already want to be on the list. Confirmation as usual to the new subscriber. Mailman 2.1.16 Dave -- "As long as politics is the shadow cast on society by big business, the attenuation of the shadow will not change the substance." -- John Dewey -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] What would your dream Mailman web interface look like?
Quoting Adam McGreggor : On Thu, Apr 09, 2015 at 02:31:50AM +0900, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: > The Justice Department has already said that the web is a place of > public accommodation, and the ADA applies. It is only a matter of > time before they issue specific regulations. So, in the near > future, anyone producing publicly facing web sites will need to do > this! No, they won't -- they can always shut down. And I suspect that's exactly what will happen to most volunteer sites if they try to apply the ADA standards to them. I can't be happy about that. I live in Japan, and I assure you that public policies that equalize benefits by reducing the average suck -- especially for the less-well-off. Apropos to that, the US DoJ doesn't really have much effect in jurisdictions outside of the US. I do wish we wouldn't be so parochial. Really, you accessibility advocates should be looking for opportunities to organize this kind of effort. +1 A few real lists are running with Mailman 3 + Postorius + HyperKitty already, are those apps ADA-compliant? Dave and I'm pretty sure there are a couple of demo sites. At least one has been posted to one of the lists; possibly -developers. -- "Get me a beer. I don't care what kind it is, just get me a beer!" -- Duke of Edinburgh, on being offered the finest Italian wines by PM Giuliano Amato at a dinner in Rome in 2000. -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/geek%40uniserve.com -- "As long as politics is the shadow cast on society by big business, the attenuation of the shadow will not change the substance." -- John Dewey -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] What would your dream Mailman web interface look like?
Quoting Bill Cole : On 6 Apr 2015, at 20:02, Andrew Stuart wrote: Sounds like not working with JavaScript is something important to you. What’s the thinking behind wanting to work without JavaScript? Isn’t it kinda hard to navigate the modern web without JavaScript? I don't know the original poster's motivations, but for me it is entirely practical. I work in a diverse variety of environments administering a complex menagerie of systems and Mailman is just one small piece of that. I frequently don't have a convenient modern GUI browser configured to my tastes/paranoias running on a network I trust, and it is actually more convenient for me to use a text browser with weak or no JS support (yes, really.) It is also an issue for user support, since users do work with the MM web interface from time to time. JS is an area where interop between browsers and the diverse ways users tweak them is at its worst. Supporting users who have found new ways for the MM web interface to not work because of JS subtleties sounds like at least the 6th ring of Hell. Also, sticking with a pure HTML client interface makes it easier to validate its security, e.g. a site with no scripts has no XSS vulnerabilities. MM isn't the sort of web application that one spends hours at a time using, so the slicker operation you can get from a JS-heavy system isn't really very valuable. Short version: a tool like the MM web interface should minimize the possible failure modes even if that means sacrificing some fluidity of use. +1 D -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/geek%40uniserve.com -- "As long as politics is the shadow cast on society by big business, the attenuation of the shadow will not change the substance." -- John Dewey -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
[Mailman-Users] missing mailman archive
I've got a Centos install and used virtualmin to set up the mailman service - it was included in the default install and worked fine. The server hosts about ten domains, providing web pages and mail, including lists with mailman. For one domain only the mail isn't being archived. Attachments to mails are. I find this pretty weird and have looked around but to no avail - clicking through on the usual footer link on list mails leads correctly to a folder for attachments but no mail bodies. As far as I can see the options are specified correctly to archive mail, but it isn't happening. I don't know where to look. Ideas? Dave -- Advertising is the rattling of a stick inside a swill bucket - George Orwell -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
