[Mailman-Users] Suggestions
Hello guys.. Thanks you for this greatest piece of software I’ve ever seen has been using for over 6 years now :) I have a couple of suggestions: - Many users do not have SSH access because they’re on shared hosting, and it’s pain in the act when moving from one hosting provider to another.. it would be nice to have an option to import/export list setting (./config_list) from the web interface.. - on the other hand, it would be great to have an option in ssh prompt to list messages awaiting moderation and have options to approve or reject them.. - also a FULL content settings backup option in one tar ball file will be great, i.e. moving from one server to another is also pain in the act if you have many lists.. if I came up with more suggestions I’ll update you guys, and I urge other users to contribute if they have useful ideas like these maybe we’ll benefit from them in the next mailman version.. Thanks again :) -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
[Mailman-Users] Moderation issue..
Hello .. This is the second time that happens with me and I changed the server the first time.. I’ve been using my lists for months without any problems, I post to all lists from one address –which is moderated- and I accept all messages manually from the web admin.. but then after sending to the lists, the messages does not appear waiting for moderation although maillogs show that they’ve been delivered to the lists addresses.. also I noticed a warning that I used to see when thing were working fine, I don’t know if it’s the cause of the issue.. the mail log is below.. please advise.. Thanks.. Nov 4 08:44:19 ns1 postfix/cleanup[4236]: 01AD818A0041: message-id=011a01cdba1c$d1d06ac0$75714040$@domain.com Nov 4 08:44:19 ns1 postfix/qmgr[3917]: 01AD818A0041: from=dailym...@domain.com, size=106552, nrcpt=10 (queue active) Nov 4 08:44:19 ns1 postfix/smtpd[4227]: proxy-accept: END-OF-MESSAGE: 250 2.0.0 Ok: queued as 01AD818A0041; from=dailym...@domain.com to=li...@domain.com proto=ESMTP helo=KhalilAbbasPC Nov 4 08:44:19 ns1 postfix/smtpd[4235]: disconnect from localhost.localdomain[127.0.0.1] Nov 4 08:44:19 ns1 postfix/trivial-rewrite[4230]: warning: do not list domain domain.com in BOTH mydestination and virtual_mailbox_domains Nov 4 08:44:19 ns1 postfix/trivial-rewrite[4230]: warning: do not list domain domain.com in BOTH mydestination and virtual_mailbox_domains Nov 4 08:44:19 ns1 postfix/trivial-rewrite[4230]: warning: do not list domain domain.com in BOTH mydestination and virtual_mailbox_domains Nov 4 08:44:19 ns1 postfix/trivial-rewrite[4230]: warning: do not list domain domain.com in BOTH mydestination and virtual_mailbox_domains Nov 4 08:44:19 ns1 postfix/trivial-rewrite[4230]: warning: do not list domain domain.com in BOTH mydestination and virtual_mailbox_domains Nov 4 08:44:19 ns1 postfix/trivial-rewrite[4230]: warning: do not list domain domain.com in BOTH mydestination and virtual_mailbox_domains Nov 4 08:44:19 ns1 postfix/trivial-rewrite[4230]: warning: do not list domain domain.com in BOTH mydestination and virtual_mailbox_domains Nov 4 08:44:19 ns1 postfix/trivial-rewrite[4230]: warning: do not list domain domain.com in BOTH mydestination and virtual_mailbox_domains Nov 4 08:44:19 ns1 postfix/trivial-rewrite[4230]: warning: do not list domain domain.com in BOTH mydestination and virtual_mailbox_domains Nov 4 08:44:19 ns1 postfix/trivial-rewrite[4230]: warning: do not list domain domain.com in BOTH mydestination and virtual_mailbox_domains Nov 4 08:44:19 ns1 /usr/lib64/plesk-9.0/psa-pc-remote[19459]: Message aborted. Nov 4 08:44:19 ns1 postfix/pipe[4260]: 01AD818A0041: to=li...@domain.com, relay=mailman, delay=6.8, delays=6.3/0.01/0/0.49, dsn=2.0.0, status=sent (delivered via mailman service) Nov 4 08:44:19 ns1 postfix/pipe[4266]: 01AD818A0041: to=li...@domain.com, relay=mailman, delay=6.8, delays=6.3/0.01/0/0.49, dsn=2.0.0, status=sent (delivered via mailman service) Nov 4 08:44:19 ns1 postfix/pipe[4258]: 01AD818A0041: to=li...@domain.com, relay=mailman, delay=6.8, delays=6.3/0.01/0/0.5, dsn=2.0.0, status=sent (delivered via mailman service) Nov 4 08:44:19 ns1 postfix/pipe[4262]: 01AD818A0041: to=li...@domain.com, relay=mailman, delay=6.8, delays=6.3/0.01/0/0.5, dsn=2.0.0, status=sent (delivered via mailman service) Nov 4 08:44:19 ns1 postfix/pipe[4264]: 01AD818A0041: to=li...@domain.com, relay=mailman, delay=6.8, delays=6.3/0.01/0/0.5, dsn=2.0.0, status=sent (delivered via mailman service) Nov 4 08:44:19 ns1 postfix/pipe[4272]: 01AD818A0041: to=li...@domain.com, relay=mailman, delay=6.8, delays=6.3/0.02/0/0.49, dsn=2.0.0, status=sent (delivered via mailman service) Nov 4 08:44:19 ns1 postfix/pipe[4270]: 01AD818A0041: to=li...@domain.com, relay=mailman, delay=6.8, delays=6.3/0.02/0/0.49, dsn=2.0.0, status=sent (delivered via mailman service) Nov 4 08:44:19 ns1 postfix/pipe[4257]: 01AD818A0041: to=li...@domain.com, relay=mailman, delay=6.8, delays=6.3/0/0/0.51, dsn=2.0.0, status=sent (delivered via mailman service) Nov 4 08:44:19 ns1 postfix/pipe[4268]: 01AD818A0041: to=li...@domain.com, relay=mailman, delay=6.8, delays=6.3/0.01/0/0.5, dsn=2.0.0, status=sent (delivered via mailman service) Nov 4 08:44:19 ns1 postfix/pipe[4274]: 01AD818A0041: to=li...@domain.com, relay=mailman, delay=6.8, delays=6.3/0.02/0/0.51, dsn=2.0.0, status=sent (delivered via mailman service) Nov 4 08:44:19 ns1 postfix/qmgr[3917]: 01AD818A0041: removed -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
[Mailman-Users] postsuper
Hello, it’s been quite a while since I posted here, I kinda miss u guyz:) I’m running a list of 3 Mil. subscribers for a local news agency as follows: the whole list is hosted on a 32GBs Ram server, 10 domains, 30 lists, 100,000 subscribers each list.. the mail is distributed thru a relay of 120 servers identified as MX records in the main server’s domains’ DNS zones.. the question is, I noticed that mail delivery is slow, and it gets faster when I use: “postsuper –r ALL” .. do u think it’s a good idea if I added it as a cronjob that runs every minute? or better split the list into several servers?? Thanks.. -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] postsuper
Hi, Thanks for the tip, but my problem isn’t with deferred mail, no mail is getting rejected from the remote MTA's.. but my problem is that the main hardware node is distributing the mail over the 120 MX nodes slowly.. I have set the SMTP_MAX_RCPTS to 5 per message for better delivery to several MTA's , which means 3 million subscribers are delivered in groups of 5.. resulting 600,000 messages to be distributed by the main hardware node.. is that too much? should I split them to several servers?? Thanks.. -Original Message- From: Mark Sapiro Sent: Sunday, July 29, 2012 5:38 PM To: Khalil Abbas Cc: mailman-users@python.org Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] postsuper On 7/29/2012 6:01 AM, Khalil Abbas wrote: the question is, I noticed that mail delivery is slow, and it gets faster when I use: postsuper r ALL .. do u think its a good idea if I added it as a cronjob that runs every minute? or better split the list into several servers?? See http://www.postfix.org/TUNING_README.html#hammer -- Mark Sapiro m...@msapiro.netThe highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] postsuper
you're the man :) -Original Message- From: Mark Sapiro Sent: Monday, July 30, 2012 2:17 AM To: Khalil Abbas Cc: mailman-users@python.org Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] postsuper On 7/29/2012 11:20 AM, Khalil Abbas wrote: Hi, Thanks for the tip, but my problem isn’t with deferred mail, Then why would postsuper -r ALL have any effect? no mail is getting rejected from the remote MTA's.. but my problem is that the main hardware node is distributing the mail over the 120 MX nodes slowly.. I have set the SMTP_MAX_RCPTS to 5 per message for better delivery to several MTA's , which means 3 million subscribers are delivered in groups of 5.. resulting 600,000 messages to be distributed by the main hardware node.. is that too much? should I split them to several servers?? Perhaps if you asked your question on a list or forum devoted to configuring hardware and MTAs for delivering large volumes of mail, you'd get a better response. This list is for support of Mailman. As far as I can tell, your issue is downstream of Mailman after Mailman has successfully delivered your mail to your main outgoing MTA and is therefore, not a Mailman issue. -- Mark Sapiro m...@msapiro.netThe highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] clear queue
well actually the problem is that SMTP server was not accepting messages postfix crashed because there was a faulty db file, after fixing it, I noticed that an old feed is being dustributed by mailman and the new feeds are not.. I wanted to clear the mailman's queue to send the new feeds and found an 'out' directory and cleared all its contents which fixed the problem.. -Original Message- From: Stephen J. Turnbull Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2012 8:20 AM To: Khalil Abbas Cc: mailman-users@python.org Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] clear queue On Tue, Apr 3, 2012 at 6:56 AM, Khalil Abbas khillo...@hotmail.com wrote: sorry I know it’s a dumb question after all these years, but how do you clear the mailman queue from command line?? Why do you think you need to do this? I'm asking because I saw your followup to Mark saying you couldn't find any qfiles. That might be because there aren't any, and whatever it is you're actually seeing is retries from the MTA. Of course, if you're sure I'm wrong and Mark's on the right track, just say so, no need for further explanation. -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] clear queue
Thanks but there's no qfiles directory in the whole server, I searched using 'locate' and there were no results! please advise.. -Original Message- From: Mark Sapiro Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2012 2:30 AM To: Khalil Abbas Cc: mailman-users@python.org Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] clear queue On 4/2/2012 2:56 PM, Khalil Abbas wrote: sorry I know it’s a dumb question after all these years, but how do you clear the mailman queue from command line?? rm qfiles/queue_you_want_to_clear/* or if you want to be more cautious mv qfiles/queue_you_want_to_clear somewhere_else -- Mark Sapiro m...@msapiro.netThe highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
[Mailman-Users] clear queue
Hello .. sorry I know it’s a dumb question after all these years, but how do you clear the mailman queue from command line?? Thanks :) -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] mailman logs..
Hello ??? anyone ?? From: Khalil Abbas Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2011 12:45 PM To: mailman-users@python.org Subject: mailman logs.. hi, is there a manual for understanding mailman logs?? I need to know which addresses were unsubscribed from the list by clicking the un-subscribe link or sent an email to be removed from the list, (I have the list administrator notification disabled).. and which users were unsubscribed due to excessive bounces and which members currently disabled.. thanks.. -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
[Mailman-Users] mailman logs..
hi, is there a manual for understanding mailman logs?? I need to know which addresses were unsubscribed from the list by clicking the un-subscribe link or sent an email to be removed from the list, (I have the list administrator notification disabled).. and which users were unsubscribed due to excessive bounces and which members currently disabled.. thanks.. -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
[Mailman-Users] some suggestions..
Dear mailmam team.. I’ve been a proud mailman user for years and I would like to post some comments that would be useful in the next mailman version: - the ability to export the list config (config_list) from the web interface, many mailman users have regular webhosting plans with no shell access.. if they want to switch to a different service it will be difficult for them to reconfigure their lists .. - the ability to put the approved:password in the subject line not as a custom header.. many of us use outlook and it’s pain in the arse to add a custom header.. I have over 57 lists and I have to approve each and every one of them thru the web interface.. (ps.: if any of the mailman users actually managed to add a custom header to outlook please please do tell me how u did it).. - the ability to approve messages in shell.. you can currently view the held messages, discard them, but not approve them.. - make bounce processing smarter to know when the message is a real bounce and when it was deferred by the remote MTAs like hotmail and yahoo.. the addresses do exist and they willingly subscribed but they eventually get removed from the lists because of deferrals which later, if not unsubscribed, hotmail and yahoo will accept them sometimes.. - change the mailman’s name to KICKASSmail :) Thanks for a wonderful application and great service.. -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Server Configuration..
this sucks! I've created a list of 100,000 subscribers .. SMTP_MAX_RCPTS=5, throttle worked perfectly, 800 emails per minute.. the messages should be delivered in a 2 hours time .. now it's 4 hours and 47,000 messages are stuck because hotmail n yahoo are deferring .. I read somewhere that the biggest list that's using mailman is 500,000 in size.. is it really true or only 50,000 messages are going thru n the rest is delayed or even bounced back.. I don't know what to do ... I did everything in the book.. our viewers had subscribed to our lists with double opt-in .. mailman is properly configured.. I don't know what yahoo and hotmail really want! I'm so desperate and disappointed.. **sigh** -Original Message- From: Mark Sapiro Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2011 5:59 AM To: Khalil Abbas ; mailman-users@python.org Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Server Configuration.. Khalil Abbas wrote: lol I'm not shouting, just too lazy to hit caps :) Regardless of why it happened, it comes across to others as shouting. well I bought this server: RAM 1x 4 GB DDR2-RAM ECC HDD 2x 500 GB SATA II-HDD 7.200 rpm Barebone 1x Fujitsu PRIMERGY RX100 S5 CPU 1x Intel Xeon X3320 Quadcore I did set the SMTP_MAX_RCPT to 5 .. then I created a list of 10,000 members, n it delivered them in like 5-6 minutes .. there was about 500 yahoo addresses and yahoo deferred a few messages.. luckily Hotmail accepted all 5500 addresses.. is that good? It's not terrific. At that rate, assuming everything had completely left your MTA in that time, it would take between 17 and 20 hours to deliver to 2 million recipients. Is that acceptable? Also, it is not clear that just because Hotmail accepted all 5500 addresses out of 10,000, that they will accept the next 55,000 out of the next 100,000 (if there are that many). Also, once Yahoo starts deferring, their deferral rate will increase if you keep sending more, and this will add to the load on your MTA. do you think getting 2 or 3 or even 4 servers like this one and splitting the 2 million users over them is better? I can't say. Perhaps the bottleneck is the bandwidth of your internet connection. If so, increasinfg the ability to push more data faster won't help at all. about the throttle patch, ok I confess, I AM IGNORANT! I have no idea how to install the patch :) I have mailman 2.1.9 by the way .. The throttle.patch.txt file attached to this message contains a 2.1.9 version of the patch. The only difference is the line number of the last portion. To install it, save the file and cd to your mailman installation and give the command patch Mailman/Handlers/SMTPDirect.py /path/to/throttle.patch.txt and then restart Mailman. If anything goes wrong, you can remove the patch with the command patch -R Mailman/Handlers/SMTPDirect.py /path/to/throttle.patch.txt followed by another restart of Mailman. -- Mark Sapiro m...@msapiro.netThe highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Server Configuration..
SMTP_MAX_RCPTS =5 WOULD BE OK? OR SHOULD I REDUCE OR INCREASE IT FOR HOTMAIL AND YAHOO TO ACCEPT OUR MESSAGES? -Original Message- From: Mark Sapiro Sent: Saturday, June 25, 2011 8:39 PM To: Khalil Abbas ; mailman-users@python.org Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Server Configuration.. Khalil Abbas wrote: we are a local TV station newspaper having a mailing list with 2+ Million Subscribers.. what is the best server configuration (CPU, RAM) that can handle this list? taking in consideration that only 1 daily email is sent to the subscribers.. Consider that likely much more than half the impact is going to be from the MTA rather than Mailman. Perhaps you should be asking on a list specific to your MTA. I would suggest at a minimum that you could reduce your Mailman impact by breaking up your list into perhaps 240 roughly equal sub-lists and sending the post to one list at a time at 6 minute intervals. Then if your system can complete delivery of the post from one sub-list to its 8500+- members in under 6 minutes, you should be OK. -- Mark Sapiro m...@msapiro.netThe highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Server Configuration..
lol I'm not shouting, just too lazy to hit caps :) well I bought this server: RAM 1x 4 GB DDR2-RAM ECC HDD 2x 500 GB SATA II-HDD 7.200 rpm Barebone 1x Fujitsu PRIMERGY RX100 S5 CPU 1x Intel Xeon X3320 Quadcore I did set the SMTP_MAX_RCPT to 5 .. then I created a list of 10,000 members, n it delivered them in like 5-6 minutes .. there was about 500 yahoo addresses and yahoo deferred a few messages.. luckily Hotmail accepted all 5500 addresses.. is that good? do you think getting 2 or 3 or even 4 servers like this one and splitting the 2 million users over them is better? about the throttle patch, ok I confess, I AM IGNORANT! I have no idea how to install the patch :) I have mailman 2.1.9 by the way .. Thanks .. -Original Message- From: Mark Sapiro Sent: Saturday, June 25, 2011 10:40 PM To: Khalil Abbas ; mailman-users@python.org Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Server Configuration.. Khalil Abbas wrote: SMTP_MAX_RCPTS =5 WOULD BE OK? OR SHOULD I REDUCE OR INCREASE IT FOR HOTMAIL AND YAHOO TO ACCEPT OUR MESSAGES? WHY ARE YOU SHOUTING? I have no real information as to why Hotmail and Yahoo were not accepting your mail, but apparently at one point I thought that reducing the number of Hotmail and/or Yahoo envelope recipients in a single message transaction might help and apparently, it did. Presumably, nothing at Hotmail and Yahoo has changed, so I wouldn't advise changing SMTP_MAX_RCPTS. What I would advise is before changing other things including hardware, that you try the Postfix changes recommended to you at http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2011-June/071671.html which you apparently never tried or at least never reported trying, and if that doesn't solve the problem completely, that you try the patch in the attached throttle.patch.txt file. The settings in this patch will limit Mailman to send to 2000 recipients per minute which will spread your 2+ million recipients over about 17 hours and will be as effective as making many small lists. Note that contrary to your assertion at http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2011-June/071720.html that the patch is not stable and not tested before, I never said it was not tested. The FAQ says it has been only minimally tested and is not guaranteed to work. What that means is it hasn't seen significant use and it may not solve your problem, but it is almost certainly more stable than rebooting the server every hour. And if you do try it and it does work, we can remove the caveats, and if it doesn't solve th problem, at least we'll know that. Free, open source software is a community effort, not a one-way street. -- Mark Sapiro m...@msapiro.netThe highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
[Mailman-Users] Server Configuration..
Hi, we are a local TV station newspaper having a mailing list with 2+ Million Subscribers.. what is the best server configuration (CPU, RAM) that can handle this list? taking in consideration that only 1 daily email is sent to the subscribers.. Thank you .. -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] reboot servers
The servers are all vps'es with 256 ram.. and the lists are as big as 33,000 subscribers per list, 3 lists per vps.. it's one big mailing list for a TV station and newspaper.. only one message (newsletter) is sent out every day to the subscribers.. but setting: SMTP_MAX_RCPTS to only 5 in mailman resulted in a huge number of messages generated by mailman that halts the servers, that's why I every hour stop mailman then stop postfix then reboot the servers to free up the memory and continue distributing the mail.. my question is, is this a good solution? or should I split them into very small lists then send the same message every hour after making sure that the servers finished distributing the mail for the previous lists? Thanks.. -Original Message- From: Geoff Shang Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2011 2:04 PM To: Khalil Abbas Cc: mailman-users@python.org Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] reboot servers On Tue, 31 May 2011, Khalil Abbas wrote: I have several vps servers with very limited resources running several large mailman lists, n these servers keep stopping from responding n sometimes mailq shows several errors like: too many open files in the system and not enough resourses ... etc. How limited are these servers? How big are these lists? Geoff. -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] reboot servers
well it was your advise on a previous post to set the SMTP_MAX_RCPTS to 5 in order to let hotmail and yahoo and others accept mail coming from my lists.. if you remember the smtp_max_rcpts was 500 and thousands of subscribers used to bounce back because Hotmail rejected them.. after setting it to 5 it worked like a charm .. but I fell into this new problem of large number of messages flowing and halting the servers.. I don't want to use the throttling patch as it's not stable and not tested before .. so I have 2 ways, either rebooting the servers like I'm doing now, or splitting the lists into smaller ones and send to bunch of small lists every our .. what do u think? -Original Message- From: Mark Sapiro Sent: Friday, June 03, 2011 5:44 PM To: Khalil Abbas Cc: Geoff Shang ; mailman-users@python.org Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] reboot servers On 6/3/11 4:56 AM, Khalil Abbas wrote: SMTP_MAX_RCPTS to only 5 in mailman resulted in a huge number of messages generated by mailman that halts the servers, that's why I every hour stop mailman then stop postfix then reboot the servers to free up the memory and continue distributing the mail.. What problem were you trying to solve by setting SMTP_MAX_RCPTS = 5? Maybe you should consider raising it or letting it go back to its default of 500 if things worked better then. my question is, is this a good solution? or should I split them into very small lists then send the same message every hour after making sure that the servers finished distributing the mail for the previous lists? See the last paragraph of the FAQ at http://wiki.list.org/x/j4A9. The throttling patch may help. -- Mark Sapiro m...@msapiro.netThe highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, CaliforniaBetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] reboot servers
m.. what if I did this: create small lists instead of large ones, then schedule the same message to be sent every hour to a different list ? this way the servers will not halt.. what do u think? -Original Message- From: Mark Sapiro Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2011 1:58 AM To: Khalil Abbas Cc: mailman-users@python.org Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] reboot servers On 5/31/2011 3:39 PM, Khalil Abbas wrote: well thanks for the tip, but I'm sorry I didn't get it .. is it a good thing to stop mailman and postfix and reboot the servers every hour to free up recourses n start over? You can't fit ten pounds of mud in a five pound sack. I.e., you are trying to do too much with too little. If you can't get more hardware or reduce the size of or maybe the number of posts to your lists, you will have problems. What you are doing is not good, but if you think it allows you to avoid the real solution, you can keep doing it. You are the only one who can determine if what you are doing is causing lost and/or duplicated messages or perhaps other problems. -- Mark Sapiro m...@msapiro.netThe highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
[Mailman-Users] reboot servers
hi, I have several vps servers with very limited resources running several large mailman lists, n these servers keep stopping from responding n sometimes mailq shows several errors like: too many open files in the system and not enough resourses ... etc. so every hour I do the following: mailmanctl stop postfix stop reboot to free up the system resources, and eventually the mailq shows empty n the mail gets delivered.. is that a good thing I’m doing? for I can’t afford to upgrade the hardware, is there a better solution? is there any side effects?? Thanks.. -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
[Mailman-Users] reboot servers
hi, I have several vps servers with very limited resources running several large mailman lists, n these servers keep stopping from responding n sometimes mailq shows several errors like: too many open files in the system and not enough resourses ... etc. so every hour I do the following: mailmanctl stop postfix stop reboot to free up the system resources, and eventually the mailq shows empty n the mail gets delivered.. is that a good thing I’m doing? for I can’t afford to upgrade the hardware, is there a better solution? is there any side effects?? Thanks.. -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] reboot servers
well thanks for the tip, but I'm sorry I didn't get it .. is it a good thing to stop mailman and postfix and reboot the servers every hour to free up recourses n start over? -Original Message- From: Mark Sapiro Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2011 12:33 AM To: Khalil Abbas Cc: mailman-users@python.org Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] reboot servers On 5/31/2011 11:14 AM, Khalil Abbas wrote: is that a good thing I’m doing? for I can’t afford to upgrade the hardware, is there a better solution? is there any side effects?? IIRC, it was Dolly Parton, a well known US country western singer who, following a 'wardrobe failure' (pre Janet Jackson) on national TV, said You can't fit 10 pounds of mud in a five pound sack. I think that applies here. -- Mark Sapiro m...@msapiro.netThe highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] control mail distribution ..
well I decreased the SMTP_MAX_RCPTS to only 5 (five) and when checking the mailq every now and then .. some of the 18 servers gave the following: -Queue ID- --Size-- Arrival Time -Sender/Recipient--- 335BB14BB8CA 111316 Wed Jan 26 09:04:29 MAILER-DAEMON (unknown mail transport error) and some of them: -Queue ID- --Size-- Arrival Time -Sender/Recipient--- 7B477146C78 108725 Tue Jan 25 21:14:27 balligho-boun...@ballighoseven.info (system resource problem) I kept rebooting the servers every while to get the mail moving .. and so far I received 27 messages out of 57 lists .. I'll raise it to 10 and try again.. any thoughts ? -Original Message- From: Mark Sapiro Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2011 1:18 AM To: Khalil Abbas ; mailman-users@python.org Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] control mail distribution .. Khalil Abbas wrote: by the way, what's the default value for SMTP_MAX_RCPTS ?? All the settings default values and their documentation is in Defaults.py. # Ceiling on the number of recipients that can be specified in a single SMTP # transaction. Set to 0 to submit the entire recipient list in one # transaction. Only used with the SMTPDirect DELIVERY_MODULE. SMTP_MAX_RCPTS = 500 -- Mark Sapiro m...@msapiro.netThe highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] control mail distribution ..
I'm discussing this with my service provider right now.. I'll tell u what comes up.. by the way, what's the default value for SMTP_MAX_RCPTS ?? Thanks.. -Original Message- From: Mark Sapiro Sent: Monday, January 24, 2011 9:00 PM To: Khalil Abbas ; mailman-users@python.org Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] control mail distribution .. Khalil Abbas wrote: checking some random files in the /var/spool/mailman/bounces/*.pck I found : ** This is the qmail-send program at __.\nI\'m afraid I wasn\'t able to deliver your message to the following addresses.\nThis is a permanent error; I\'ve given up. Sorry it didn\'t work out.\n\n___ (hotmail.fr address) :\nConnected to 65.54.188.110 but sender was rejected.\nRemote host said: 421 RP-001 Unfortunately, some messages from weren\'t sent. Please try again. We have limits for how many messages can be sent per hour and per day. You can also refer to http://mail.live.com/mail/troubleshooting.aspx#errors.\nI\'m not going to try again; this message has been in the queue too long. ** checking the error code 421 RP-001 on hotmail I found: *** The mail server IP connecting to Windows Live Hotmail server has exceeded the rate limit allowed. Reason for rate limitation is related to IP/domain reputation. If you are not an email/network admin please contact your Email/Internet Service Provider for help. *** so it is a rate limit no? Yes it is. But, hotmail is limiting the rate by returning a 421 status which is retryable, but qmail on the relay host is either giving up too soon, or you will never be able to deliver all your mail no matter what you do. what can be done about this? it says something about ip/domain reputation, is it my domain's reputation or my service provider's relay server's reputation? It's your service provider's relay server. I'm surprised they haven't cut you off. Consider that hotmail is rate limiting that server and rejecting (with 421) mail over the limit. This would affect not only your list mail, but mail to hotmail from any other customer of the service provider being sent at the same time. Now, consider what is happening. The relay server gives up retrying the 421 because the message has been in the queue too long. Either it's give up time is way to short, something only the service provider can adjust, but maybe you can tell from when the rejected message was sent, or it keeps retrying for more than a day. If the latter, the implication would seem that hotmail's rate limit does not allow for all the days messages to be delivered in a day. The only solution to that is to get hotmail to raise the rate limit, and only the service provider can do that. Now, there is one other point. When you resubscribed, you got all your notices, so mail sent to one recipient at a time seems to get through. You can cause Mailman to send more messages with fewer recipients per message by putting say SMTP_MAX_RCPTS = 10 in mm_cfg.py. That may help. Otherwise, I don't think there's much you can do except maybe convince your customers to reduce the frequency of their announcements. -- Mark Sapiro m...@msapiro.netThe highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] control mail distribution ..
well this is much comforting, meaning that there is nothing to worry about the configuration.. I turned on the Should Mailman notify you, the list owner, when bounces cause a member's subscription to be disabled? to yes to see what happens.. but still this does not answer the main question, what causes the existing real members to be unsubscribed? is it because hotmail and yahoo are rejecting the mail flow that needs to be controlled? this leads to another question, should this (control mail flow) be considered in the next version of mailman? this will also answer the million dollars question: CAN mailman handle huge lists like those of TV stations like mine (300,000 subscribers)? final question: is there any advice about my current situation (hardware, configuration...etc.)? Thanks mate, you're the best :) -Original Message- From: Mark Sapiro Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2011 8:21 PM To: Khalil Abbas Cc: mailman-users@python.org Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] control mail distribution .. On 1/23/2011 7:46 AM, Khalil Abbas wrote: attached are the Jan 16, and Jan 17th logs: error, smtp, qrunner, locks.. I replaced my domain name with the word (DOMAIN) cause I believe this is shown to public .. there are several smtp-failure files (failure.1, .2, .3...) but they are all empty (0 bytes size).. The locks log shows one broken expired lock, possibly due to your frequent reboots. The error log shows only unparseable messages but there are over 3000 of them in about 26 hours. Correlation with the qrunner log shows these are all processed by BounceRunner. Thus they are unparseable messages sent to the LIST-bounces addresses. Normally, unparseable messages are spam, but possible they are real bounces from some broken MTA. The next time you have an accumulation of /var/spool/mailman/bounce/*.pck files, examine some of them with Mailman's bin/dumpdb or bin/show_qfiles tool. If they look like legitimate bounce messages, they may give you some information about your bounces, but note that the particular messages that are unparseable do not get scored for any user. If they look like spam, then your problem may just be massive amounts of spam sent to your LIST-bounces addresses. -- Mark Sapiro m...@msapiro.netThe highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] control mail distribution ..
I also forgot to mention something.. I'm managing 57 lists on 18 servers.. some are small lists and some are huge but the thing in common is that they all send a single message to their lists per day.. but I have put my own email address (khillo100 at hotmail dot com) in all of the 57 lists.. and everyday I receive between 30 and 40 emails from the lists but never 57! another thing in common is that all 18 servers never send directly, they go thru the same relay server .. I tried to something, I removed my address from all lists and re-subscribed and I received 57 welcome messages.. but when sending to the lists, only 30 to 40 are received.. any thoughts? -Original Message- From: Mark Sapiro Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2011 11:20 PM To: Khalil Abbas Cc: mailman-users@python.org Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] control mail distribution .. On 1/23/2011 12:33 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote: Khalil Abbas wrote: well this is much comforting, meaning that there is nothing to worry about the configuration.. I turned on the Should Mailman notify you, the list owner, when bounces cause a member's subscription to be disabled? to yes to see what happens.. but still this does not answer the main question, what causes the existing real members to be unsubscribed? is it because hotmail and yahoo are rejecting the mail flow that needs to be controlled? When you see some actual disabling bounce notifications, you will hopefully be able to answer that for yourself. Until then, I don't know what causes it. I also looked more closely at the smtp log you sent earlier. There are a huge number of mailman generated notices that originate from BounceRunner. All lists appear affected. I think these are unrecognized bounce notifications. I have suggested before that there may be a large amount of spam being sent to the LIST-bounces addresses, but there may also be a mail loop of some kind. I suggest that you make sure that each list's (including the 'mailman' list) owner attribute contains only deliverable addresses and that none of the LIST-* addresses are among them. Similarly, if there are any moderator addresses, they must be deliverable and must not include any LIST-* addresses and shouldn't duplicate any owner addresses for the same list. Also try sending an email to the LIST-owner addresses to verify such mail is received. -- Mark Sapiro m...@msapiro.netThe highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] control mail distribution ..
ah yes, these to list owner notices I guess are unsubscribe notices.. for I turned on the Should Mailman notify you, the list owner, when bounces cause a member to be unsubscribed? to yes.. I tried to send test messages to these addresses, most of them are real subscribers that got kicked off and received my test messages, and some returned back for different reasons like mailbox full and mailbox has been closed and stuff like that .. checking some random files in the /var/spool/mailman/bounces/*.pck I found : ** This is the qmail-send program at __.\nI\'m afraid I wasn\'t able to deliver your message to the following addresses.\nThis is a permanent error; I\'ve given up. Sorry it didn\'t work out.\n\n___ (hotmail.fr address) :\nConnected to 65.54.188.110 but sender was rejected.\nRemote host said: 421 RP-001 Unfortunately, some messages from weren\'t sent. Please try again. We have limits for how many messages can be sent per hour and per day. You can also refer to http://mail.live.com/mail/troubleshooting.aspx#errors.\nI\'m not going to try again; this message has been in the queue too long. ** checking the error code 421 RP-001 on hotmail I found: *** The mail server IP connecting to Windows Live Hotmail server has exceeded the rate limit allowed. Reason for rate limitation is related to IP/domain reputation. If you are not an email/network admin please contact your Email/Internet Service Provider for help. *** so it is a rate limit no? what can be done about this? it says something about ip/domain reputation, is it my domain's reputation or my service provider's relay server's reputation? Thanks.. -Original Message- From: Mark Sapiro Sent: Monday, January 24, 2011 3:14 AM To: Khalil Abbas ; mailman-users@python.org Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] control mail distribution .. halil Abbas wrote: I also forgot to mention something.. I'm managing 57 lists on 18 servers.. some are small lists and some are huge but the thing in common is that they all send a single message to their lists per day.. but I have put my own email address (khillo100 at hotmail dot com) in all of the 57 lists.. and everyday I receive between 30 and 40 emails from the lists but never 57! another thing in common is that all 18 servers never send directly, they go thru the same relay server .. I agree that mails are getting bounced/dropped, but I can't begin to guess why without seeing actual bounce messages and/or logs from the relay server and/or logs from your local MTA if you use a local MTA between Mailman and the relay server. You may need to talk to the operators of the relay. I know you did and they told you to rate limit your sending, but do they know that is the problem, or is that a non-response? If in fact you do have a local MTA which Mailman delivers to and which then relays to the relay server, you can investigate rate limiting there as discussed in the FAQ at http://wiki.list.org/x/j4A9 to which you have been previously referred. Let us see some actual bounce messages. We know there are some because bounce processing is removing subscribers, so what do they look like? Also, have you followed up on my following suggestion to verify that all the owner addresses are deliverable. I.e., what happened to the nearly 3000 notices from BounceRunner that were indicated in the smtp log you sent me. I also looked more closely at the smtp log you sent earlier. There are a huge number of mailman generated notices that originate from BounceRunner. All lists appear affected. I think these are unrecognized bounce notifications. I have suggested before that there may be a large amount of spam being sent to the LIST-bounces addresses, but there may also be a mail loop of some kind. I suggest that you make sure that each list's (including the 'mailman' list) owner attribute contains only deliverable addresses and that none of the LIST-* addresses are among them. Similarly, if there are any moderator addresses, they must be deliverable and must not include any LIST-* addresses and shouldn't duplicate any owner addresses for the same list. Also try sending an email to the LIST-owner addresses to verify such mail is received. -- Mark Sapiro m...@msapiro.netThe highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] control mail distribution ..
well I did send an old error file cause the current one is huge.. I think mailman keeps stopping because I reboot the servers everyday to free up the memory.. I have a TV station as a customer having 6 lists with a total of 300,000 subscribers, 50,000 each on the following server: Centos CPU Intel P4 3000 2 GBs RAM 120 Gbs hard drive and they post daily to their lists.. I also have another local Newspaper as a customer having about 100,000 subscribers on 3 lists with a virtual private server with the following specs: Centos 256 MBs Ram 10 GBs Hard drive which I have a hard time cleaning up because of the little space that keeps filling up.. is that the problem? do I need to use bigger hardware ? another thing, the servers doesn’t send directly, the messages are being sent to my hosting servers provider's relay server.. Thanks for everything.. -Original Message- From: Mark Sapiro Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2011 4:02 AM To: Khalil Abbas Cc: mailman-users@python.org Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] control mail distribution .. On 1/21/2011 1:15 AM, Khalil Abbas wrote: well, attached are parts of the error and qrunner logs.. I also forgot to mention that I also delete the following files: rm /var/lib/mailman/data/*.pck -f This was covered in my reply at http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2011-January/071032.html rm /var/lock/mailman/*.* -f Doing this also removes the master lock whose purpose is to prevent you from starting multiple sets of qrunners. This is bad. the first one also eats up my little space on the hard drive, and the other locks the lists n they can’t send.. Also, if lists are being left locked by dead processes, this indicates there are other problems. Do you suffer frequent power outages? what I need to know, why the subscribers are being removed? is it because of misconfiguration of mailman? or because of outside MTA’s like yahoo and hotmail rejecting mail from my servers because I need to control the flow of messages going out from my servers? You also need to know the underlying causes of all the anomalous things that are occurring in your installation. There are serious problems. Your logs may help. Also see FAQs http://wiki.list.org/x/_4A9 for info on completely stopping Mailman and starting only after completely stopped and http://wiki.list.org/x/noA9 for lock information. If you set bounce_notify_owner_on_disable to Yes on your lists, the list owner will be sent a notice whenever a member's delivery is disabled by bounce. This notice will contain the triggering bounce message. That should help you diagnose the cause. another thing worth to mention, the servers are not blocked by hotmail because I sent single test messages from all my servers to some of my subscribers that were removed from my lists and they received them with no problems.. Possibly your MTA is treating the temporary failure throttling status used by some large ISPs to rate limit your mail as a hard failure and returning a failure DSN to Mailman. The only thing in your error log was one unparseable message which has nothing to do with any of this. From your qrunner log, I see a SIGHUP from log rotation at Jan 16 04:02:54 2011. Then Mailman is stopped at Jan 16 18:17:53 2011, and started at Jan 16 18:19:41 2011. Then I see Jan 17 00:08:48 2011 (2666) Master qrunner detected subprocess exit (pid: 2712, sig: 6, sts: None, class: BounceRunner, slice: 1/1) [restarting] which says BounceRunner died with Signal 6 (SIGABRT). If it wasn't manually killed, there should be a corresponding error log entry, but the only entry in the error log you provided is from Dec 26 which indicates you weren't looking at the current error log. Then we see a sequence Jan 17 17:11:34 2011 Mailman stopped Jan 17 17:13:29 2011 Mailman started Jan 17 20:29:32 2011 Mailman stopped Jan 17 20:31:34 2011 Mailman started Why all the stopping and starting? -- Mark Sapiro m...@msapiro.netThe highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] control mail distribution ..
well, attached are parts of the error and qrunner logs.. I also forgot to mention that I also delete the following files: rm /var/lib/mailman/data/*.pck -f rm /var/lock/mailman/*.* -f the first one also eats up my little space on the hard drive, and the other locks the lists n they can’t send.. what I need to know, why the subscribers are being removed? is it because of misconfiguration of mailman? or because of outside MTA’s like yahoo and hotmail rejecting mail from my servers because I need to control the flow of messages going out from my servers? another thing worth to mention, the servers are not blocked by hotmail because I sent single test messages from all my servers to some of my subscribers that were removed from my lists and they received them with no problems.. Thanks.. -Original Message- From: Mark Sapiro Sent: Friday, January 21, 2011 12:21 AM To: Khalil Abbas Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] control mail distribution .. Khalil Abbas wrote: if the bounce runner keeps dying, then why the subscribers keep being removed?? Because it doesn't die always? You're the one with the logs and other evidence that might enable someone to answer this. and I understand the conclusion to my previously asked question, deleting these files does not get the subscribers to be removed right? Right. Deleting *.pck files from /var/spool/mailman/bounce will result in those specific bounce messages (each file is one queued bounce message) being lost and therefore not processed. Likewise, deleting bounce-events-*.pck files from /var/lib/mailman/data/ will in the case of active files result in the bounce information in the file being unprocessed, and in the case of dead files have no effect because whatever residual bounce info is in those files is lost. In any event, removing these files will result only in bounce scores not being incremented and subscribers not being removed, not the reverse. -- Mark Sapiro m...@msapiro.netThe highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan Dec 26 17:46:13 2010 (2713) Uncaught runner exception: No terminating boundary and no trailing empty line Dec 26 17:46:13 2010 (2713) Traceback (most recent call last): File /usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py, line 100, in _oneloop msg, msgdata = self._switchboard.dequeue(filebase) File /usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Switchboard.py, line 164, in dequeue msg = email.message_from_string(msg, Message.Message) File /usr/lib/mailman/pythonlib/email/__init__.py, line 51, in message_from_string return Parser(_class, strict=strict).parsestr(s) File /usr/lib/mailman/pythonlib/email/Parser.py, line 75, in parsestr return self.parse(StringIO(text), headersonly=headersonly) File /usr/lib/mailman/pythonlib/email/Parser.py, line 64, in parse self._parsebody(root, fp, firstbodyline) File /usr/lib/mailman/pythonlib/email/Parser.py, line 240, in _parsebody msgobj = self.parsestr(part) File /usr/lib/mailman/pythonlib/email/Parser.py, line 75, in parsestr return self.parse(StringIO(text), headersonly=headersonly) File /usr/lib/mailman/pythonlib/email/Parser.py, line 64, in parse self._parsebody(root, fp, firstbodyline) File /usr/lib/mailman/pythonlib/email/Parser.py, line 265, in _parsebody msg = self.parse(fp) File /usr/lib/mailman/pythonlib/email/Parser.py, line 64, in parse self._parsebody(root, fp, firstbodyline) File /usr/lib/mailman/pythonlib/email/Parser.py, line 206, in _parsebody raise Errors.BoundaryError( BoundaryError: No terminating boundary and no trailing empty line Dec 26 17:46:13 2010 (2713) Ignoring unparseable message: 1261890493.6614549+8db682ba8e522326f43eb6d66cb90b9f57499ebe Dec 26 17:46:13 2010 (2713) Uncaught runner exception: No terminating boundary and no trailing empty line Dec 26 17:46:13 2010 (2713) Traceback (most recent call last): File /usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py, line 100, in _oneloop msg, msgdata = self._switchboard.dequeue(filebase) File /usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Switchboard.py, line 164, in dequeue msg = email.message_from_string(msg, Message.Message) File /usr/lib/mailman/pythonlib/email/__init__.py, line 51, in message_from_string return Parser(_class, strict=strict).parsestr(s) File /usr/lib/mailman/pythonlib/email/Parser.py, line 75, in parsestr return self.parse(StringIO(text), headersonly=headersonly) File /usr/lib/mailman/pythonlib/email/Parser.py, line 64, in parse self._parsebody(root, fp, firstbodyline) File /usr/lib/mailman/pythonlib/email/Parser.py, line 240, in _parsebody msgobj = self.parsestr(part) RetryRunner qrunner caught SIGHUP. Reopening logs. Jan 16 04:02:54 2011 (2685) ArchRunner qrunner caught SIGHUP. Reopening logs. Jan 16 04:02:54 2011 (2686) BounceRunner qrunner caught SIGHUP. Reopening logs. Jan 16 04:02:54 2011 (2687) CommandRunner qrunner caught SIGHUP. Reopening logs. Jan 16
Re: [Mailman-Users] control mail distribution ..
by the way, I keep deleting the following: /var/spool/mailman/bounces/*.pck /var/lib/mailman/data/*.pck because they fill up all the space on my small hard drives on my VPS servers.. is that why mailman's bounce processor removes the subscribers or because they does actually bounce until they reach the points limit? Thanks.. -Original Message- From: Mark Sapiro Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2011 4:18 AM To: Khalil Abbas Cc: mailman-users@python.org Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] control mail distribution .. On 1/17/2011 3:00 PM, Khalil Abbas wrote: is there way to tell mailman to send certain number of messages per hour? The short answer is No, but see the FAQ at http://wiki.list.org/x/j4A9 for other possible solutions. -- Mark Sapiro m...@msapiro.netThe highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
[Mailman-Users] control mail distribution ..
Dear mailman guys.. is there way to tell mailman to send certain number of messages per hour? I have 57 lists on 18 servers for my customers and I’m having trouble with hotmail and yahoo rejecting mail from my servers and causing a lot of subscribed addressed to be removed from the lists because of automatic bounce processing done by mailman.. when contacting my server provider they advised to control the amount of messages sent per hour or something like that .. is that possible and how? Thanks a million :) -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
[Mailman-Users] bounce unsubscriptions..
Hi, many people get removed from my lists due to bounces and I recieve many complaints that they re-subscribe then get kicked out again.. my bounce processing settings are as follows: The maximum member bounce score before the member's subscription is disabled. This value can be a floating point number = 5.0 The number of days after which a member's bounce information is discarded, if no new bounces have been received in the interim. This value must be an integer = 7 How many Your Membership Is Disabled warnings a disabled member should get before their address is removed from the mailing list. Set to 0 to immediately remove an address from the list once their bounce score exceeds the threshold. This value must be an integer =0 The number of days between sending the Your Membership Is Disabled warnings. This value must be an integer = 7 is there anything wromg with that ?? thanks.. -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
[Mailman-Users] move list to another domain
Hi, I have several lists on doimain1.com on the server.. I added a new account with a different domain name (Domain2) on the same server.. how can I move the lists to the new domain and delete the old one? is it simply by chaging the 'Host name this list prefers for email' option in General settings ?? Thanks.. _ Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft’s powerful SPAM protection. https://signup.live.com/signup.aspx?id=60969 -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
[Mailman-Users] automating batch cancellation..
hello, I'm running 6 mailing lists and having a hard time with cancellation requestes, for I have one email address : can...@mydomain and then I collect all addresses in the mailbox and remove them from all the 6 lists manually .. now if I changed this can...@mydomain email to act as a forwarder to the 6 cancellation addresses of the 6 lists, so each incoming email gets distributed to : list1-le...@mydomain list2-le...@mydomain list3-le...@mydomain list4-le...@mydomain list5-le...@mydomain list6-le...@mydomain will it work this way ?? please advise.. Thanks.. _ Your E-mail and More On-the-Go. Get Windows Live Hotmail Free. https://signup.live.com/signup.aspx?id=60969 -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
[Mailman-Users] acknolegement of accepted messages..
Hello guys.. is there a way to let the list owner or moderator to get an email telling him that a message has been approved and distributed to the list ?? Thanks.. _ Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft’s powerful SPAM protection. https://signup.live.com/signup.aspx?id=60969 -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
[Mailman-Users] what's going on ???
hi, I have 2 lists on the same server containing 40,000 subscribers, 20,000 in each list .. I've been getting hundreds of complaints from people that they're not getting any mail from the lists.. I checked the lists and found that LIST1 has only 574 members!! while the other list (LIST2) has not changed.. I re-uploaded the list from backup and after sometime it gets down to 500+ subscribers!! then I switched subscribers between the lists and now LIST2 is having he 500 subscribers and LIST1 hasn't changed !! knowing that ALL addresses in the lists are valid! please help! Thanks.. _ Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft. https://signup.live.com/signup.aspx?id=60969 -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] missing list / MAILMAN BACKUP
ok none of the files worked and I had to format my server and install all the domains and lists again .. now the question is.. I usually backup the lists members and the lists configuration (with config_list -o file) .. they were no use to me and I had to format the server.. and obviously I have to backup mailman itself to avoid this situation in the future.. so what files or directories should I backup?? thanks.. Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 08:46:22 -0700 From: m...@msapiro.net To: khillo...@hotmail.com; mailman-users@python.org Subject: RE: [Mailman-Users] missing list! Khalil Abbas wrote: I went to /var/lib/mailman/lists/dailymail and found these files: config.pck config.pck.corrupt config.pck.last config.pck.safety config.pck.MY-MAIL-SERVER-ADDRESS.11461 config.pck.MY-MAIL-SERVER-ADDRESS.2530 config.pck.MY-MAIL-SERVER-ADDRESS.2554 config.pck.MY-MAIL-SERVER-ADDRESS.2593 config.pck.MY-MAIL-SERVER-ADDRESS.2608 config.pck.MY-MAIL-SERVER-ADDRESS.9818 pending.pck request.pck could the correct file be there? do I have to rename any of these files to make it work again? Do /path/to/bin/dumpdb -p /var/lib/mailman/lists/dailymail/$f for $f equal to each of the above config.pck* files in turn. Some of these will probably throw an exception and some may work. For those that work, pick the file with the most recent timestamp and copy it to config.pck Also, look in mailman's 'error' log for messages with timestamps around the timestamps of the above files for more insight into the problem. if there's nothing I can do, is there a way to backup the list of members in this missing list to a text file so I can format the server and install mailman again and reconfigure the lists ? Hopefully, you can identify at least one usable config.pck and just use it. If not, you can try running strings on the files to extract data from them. -- Mark Sapiro m...@msapiro.net The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan _ Windows Live: Friends get your Flickr, Yelp, and Digg updates when they e-mail you. http://www.microsoft.com/middleeast/windows/windowslive/see-it-in-action/social-network-basics.aspx?ocid=PID23461::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-xm:SI_SB_3:092010 -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Re: [Mailman-Users] missing list!
Actually the missing list is called: dailymail.. I went to /var/lib/mailman/lists/dailymail and found these files: config.pck config.pck.corrupt config.pck.last config.pck.safety config.pck.MY-MAIL-SERVER-ADDRESS.11461 config.pck.MY-MAIL-SERVER-ADDRESS.2530 config.pck.MY-MAIL-SERVER-ADDRESS.2554 config.pck.MY-MAIL-SERVER-ADDRESS.2593 config.pck.MY-MAIL-SERVER-ADDRESS.2608 config.pck.MY-MAIL-SERVER-ADDRESS.9818 pending.pck request.pck could the correct file be there? do I have to rename any of these files to make it work again? if there's nothing I can do, is there a way to backup the list of members in this missing list to a text file so I can format the server and install mailman again and reconfigure the lists ? Thanks .. Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 17:50:02 -0700 From: m...@msapiro.net To: khillo...@hotmail.com; mailman-users@python.org Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] missing list! Khalil Abbas wrote: one of my lists is missing !! I'm getting this : ./list_members list1 No such list: list1 So the list isn't there. I.e., there is no lists/list1/ directory containing at least one of config.pck, config.pck.last, config.db or config.db.last. The directory has been renamed or removed or the config.* files have been removed. 0 ./list_members list2 477 ./list_members list3 483 ./list_members list4 442 when running : bin/list_lists I get this error: ./list_lists Traceback (most recent call last): File ./list_lists, line 122, in ? main() File ./list_lists, line 94, in main mlist = MailList.MailList(n, lock=0) File /usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py, line 130, in __init__ self.Load() File /usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py, line 644, in Load raise Errors.MMCorruptListDatabaseError, e Mailman.Errors.MMCorruptListDatabaseError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: '/var/lib/mailman/lists/dailymail/config.db.last' There is a lists/dailymail/ directory containing probably a config.pck and config.pck.last, but these are somehow corrupted and can't be unpickled by the list instantiation process. Note that the current (Mailman 2.1.x) files are config.pck*. It is normal to not have config.db* files. -- Mark Sapiro m...@msapiro.net The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan _ Windows Live: Friends get your Flickr, Yelp, and Digg updates when they e-mail you. http://www.microsoft.com/middleeast/windows/windowslive/see-it-in-action/social-network-basics.aspx?ocid=PID23461::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-xm:SI_SB_3:092010 -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
[Mailman-Users] missing list!
Hello guys.. one of my lists is missing !! I'm getting this : ./list_members list1 No such list: list1 0 ./list_members list2 477 ./list_members list3 483 ./list_members list4 442 when running : bin/list_lists I get this error: ./list_lists Traceback (most recent call last): File ./list_lists, line 122, in ? main() File ./list_lists, line 94, in main mlist = MailList.MailList(n, lock=0) File /usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py, line 130, in __init__ self.Load() File /usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py, line 644, in Load raise Errors.MMCorruptListDatabaseError, e Mailman.Errors.MMCorruptListDatabaseError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: '/var/lib/mailman/lists/dailymail/config.db.last' HELP!! Thanks _ Windows Live: Keep your friends up to date with what you do online. http://www.microsoft.com/middleeast/windows/windowslive/see-it-in-action/social-network-basics.aspx?ocid=PID23461::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-xm:SI_SB_1:092010 -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
[Mailman-Users] fight spam !!
ok now I'm really fed up! this is too freaking much incoming incoming incoming they never stop!!! please, is there anyone who can refer to articles about how to know the source of these messages and how to report them to their ISPs and to there authorities ??? common people MUST be educated about this!! so if we kill 10% of the spam going on it will be a big achievement! Thanks! _ Windows Live Hotmail: Your friends can get your Facebook updates, right from Hotmail®. http://www.microsoft.com/middleeast/windows/windowslive/see-it-in-action/social-network-basics.aspx?ocid=PID23461::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-xm:SI_SB_4:092009 -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
[Mailman-Users] Suggestion ..
hello team.. I have a suggestion for you .. it's about importing and exporting the list's configuration using the web interface not just shell command using : 'config_list'.. this will help those who have mailman with shared hosting plans and have no access to server .. not only that, take me for example I have several servers with many lists hosted on them.. sometimes I format the servers and create the lists using the servers' control panels.. then I have to go to shell to use the 'config list -i' option .. Thanks .. _ Windows Live™: Keep your life in sync. Check it out! http://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t1_allup_explore_012009 -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
[Mailman-Users] hide list address for security ..
hello .. is there a way to hide the list's address so instead of showing : from: listname-boun...@domain.com it shows the sender's email address only: From: sen...@domain.com I've been getting huge loads of spam on my lists' addresses so if u have this option please tell me how to do it otherwise please consider adding this feature for it will increase the list's security.. thanks .. _ With Windows Live, you can organize, edit, and share your photos. http://www.microsoft.com/middleeast/windows/windowslive/products/photo-gallery-edit.aspx -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Re: [Mailman-Users] hide list address for security ..
I don't see what this has to do with security or spam. It only has to do with what some users see when they view list mail. It may cause some users to reply to the wrong address depending on how brain-dead their MUA is, and then the list owner may see the reply as an unrecognized bounce, but that's all. Thanks for your reply.. well, when they see: listname-boun...@domain.com they start sending to: listn...@domain.com .. that's what I meant by spam.. but if the address is hidden and there's only the sender showing they wouldn't know what the list address is .. I'm not talking about the professional spammers that can track the message headers but list members and all the people they forward the messages to, they take any address they lay their hands on and add it to their address books .. believe me it's more pain in the act than real spammers .. yet again, for the list owner getting loads of unrecognized bounces is pain enough, I get hundreds of'em and open each and every one of them to make sure that there are no real bounces! _ With Windows Live, you can organize, edit, and share your photos. http://www.microsoft.com/middleeast/windows/windowslive/products/photo-gallery-edit.aspx -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Re: [Mailman-Users] hide list address for security ..
You mean your list members don't already know the address of the list they're on. If that's the case, it sounds like you're the spammer. ofcourse I don't want them to know the address for the very same reason, spam to the list.. besides, they subscribe thru a form in my site not by email to the -subscribe address.. and cancel their subscription thru a form too.. now I'm getting huge loads of spam not only to my list, but to my sender's address which I can't change because all my subscribers are advised to mark this address as 'safe sender' in hotmail and yahoo and others.. yet again, for the list owner getting loads of unrecognized bounces is pain enough, I get hundreds of'em and open each and every one of them to make sure that there are no real bounces! I am sympathetic with that one. Running large lists is not easy. it's not that large really, just a couple of thousands.. see? what if it's hundreds of thousands I guess I'd be having diabetes by now -:) However, I will tell you right now, I can't see ever making changes that would make it possible for you to hide the identity of a list from the members receiving its mail. well, at least I tried :) Thanks.. _ With Windows Live, you can organize, edit, and share your photos. http://www.microsoft.com/middleeast/windows/windowslive/products/photo-gallery-edit.aspx -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
[Mailman-Users] question aabout bounces..
hello .. what are the files in : /var/lib/mailman/data/bounce-events.pck ? and what's the difference between them and those in: /var/spool/mailman/bounces/*.pck ?? and what happens if I deleted these files from both directories? and is it ok to do that ? Thanks .. _ Drag n’ drop—Get easy photo sharing with Windows Live™ Photos. http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowslive/products/photos.aspx -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Re: [Mailman-Users] question aabout bounces..
thanks alot for the explanation, but actually I got confused alittle, is it about the automatic bounce processing? i.e. the messages that got bounced back or is it about the actual delivery of messages?? means if something is wrong then the messages are not being delivered correctly to the list?? Regards, Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 16:05:09 -0700 From: m...@msapiro.net To: khillo...@hotmail.com; mailman-users@python.org Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] question aabout bounces.. Khalil Abbas wrote: what are the files in : /var/lib/mailman/data/bounce-events.pck ? and what's the difference between them and those in: /var/spool/mailman/bounces/*.pck ?? The files /var/spool/mailman/bounces/*.pck are individual messages delivered to list-boun...@... and waiting to be processed by BounceRunner. If these files are there for more than a few seconds, BounceRunner is not running. The files /var/lib/mailman/data/bounce-events.pck are a secondary queue. When bounces from the /var/spool/mailman/bounces/ queue are processed by Mailman, they are queued in a secondary queue which is processed only once every 15 minutes. /var/lib/mailman/data/bounce-events.pck is that queue. is the PID of the process that owns it. If is not the PID of a currently running BounceRunner or OutgoingRunner process, that file is dead and can be removed as the bounces therein are already lost. and what happens if I deleted these files from both directories? and is it ok to do that ? Do not delete any /var/spool/mailman/bounces/*.pck files. Instead, look in Mailman's qrunner and error logs and find out why BounceRunner is dying. Fix the problem and restart Mailman. You can delete any /var/lib/mailman/data/bounce-events.pck files for non-current PIDs. Actually, you can delete all the files and the only thing that will happen is the bounces therein will not be recorded, but this won't solve the ongoing problem. -- Mark Sapiro m...@msapiro.net The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan _ More than messages–check out the rest of the Windows Live™. http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowslive/ -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
[Mailman-Users] web-interface password..
Hi, some of my lists ask for the password once and never ask again whenever I'm logged on, and some of them ask twice, once on logon and once when clicking on anything else ..most of them actually ask for the password twice then never ask again whenever I'm logged on .. why's that ? _ With Windows Live, you can organize, edit, and share your photos. http://www.microsoft.com/middleeast/windows/windowslive/products/photo-gallery-edit.aspx -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Re: [Mailman-Users] Approved: password header!
WOWZERS.. I never knew I'd result in such a big fuss.. well I'm sorry I didn't quite understand, what should I do with this file you sent me (approve.patch.txt) ?? where should I put it and what to name it and what to do with its permissions n stuff? I'm sorry I'm still zero in tghis stuff.. Thanks .. Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 13:59:49 -0700 From: m...@msapiro.net To: khillo...@hotmail.com; mailman-users@python.org Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Approved: password header! Khalil Abbas wrote: my suggestion is, before I had the honor to use outlook I had Smartermail .. they have a cool feature of approving messages with passwords is to use it in the subject line itself : [password: PASSWORD] Subject bla bla bla.. then it removes the password part of course .. why don't you guys do the same? it sure beats adding a custom header and stuff .. because in html messages it's really hard to do that !! We do. Just not in the subject. As long as the incoming message has a text/plain part (i.e. is either a text/plain message or a multipart/alternative message with a text/plain alternative, we recognize and delete Approved: passord if it is the first non-blank line of the body. We also attempt to delete the line from any other body parts in which it appears, but in pathological cases, this may fail, so test first. If your clients insist on posting HTML only messages and can't add an actual Approved: header to the message, then you can try patching Mailman/Handlers/Approve.py to recognize [Approved: password] in the Subject: header. The attached Approve.patch.txt file contains a patch that might do it. I'll consider this as a feature for Mailman 2.2 -- Mark Sapiro m...@msapiro.net The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan _ With Windows Live, you can organize, edit, and share your photos. http://www.microsoft.com/middleeast/windows/windowslive/products/photo-gallery-edit.aspx -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
[Mailman-Users] Approved: password header!
Dear Mailman admins, I have a suggestion for you .. I'm running 42 lists for my clients, I let them use microsoft outlook to send their newletters to their customers and I do the management part .. since someone hacked into one of my lists and started posting to it using the modertor's email address (I posted a message about this before) and you suggested the : 'Approved: Password' header and I seached all over to see how to add a custom header to the damn outlook in vain .. so every day have to approve messages for my clients which is a real pain in the act! my suggestion is, before I had the honor to use outlook I had Smartermail .. they have a cool feature of approving messages with passwords is to use it in the subject line itself : [password: PASSWORD] Subject bla bla bla.. then it removes the password part of course .. why don't you guys do the same? it sure beats adding a custom header and stuff .. because in html messages it's really hard to do that !! Thanks .. _ With Windows Live, you can organize, edit, and share your photos. http://www.microsoft.com/middleeast/windows/windowslive/products/photo-gallery-edit.aspx -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
[Mailman-Users] multiple lists ..
hi, I have a client who has 15 lists, 100 people in each, his hosting plan has kinda of these limitations .. he's got an email address for cancellation but it's hell to go thru the whole 15 lists removing the members that needs to cancel .. what's the best solution for this dilemma? is there a way to automatically show a message on the top of each email with the cancellation email for each list that distributed that certain email? like : to cancel please send an email to: list10-le...@domain.com ? or does the umbrella list solve it? like creating an umbrella list and any email sent to the umbrella-leave is automatically removed from the corresponding list ?? thanks .. _ Invite your mail contacts to join your friends list with Windows Live Spaces. It's easy! http://spaces.live.com/spacesapi.aspx?wx_action=createwx_url=/friends.aspxmkt=en-us -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
[Mailman-Users] outlook 2003 custom headers
hello mailman users, I have a company that's hosting its lists on my servers .. they have over 7 announcement lists for their old and current customers.. they are using microsoft outlook 2003 and recently their lists have been hacked and sent to from the single email address that's unmoderated in their lists .. they want to use the Approve: password header but they don't know how to do that in outlook 2003 neither do I .. anyone had similar problem and solved it ?? thanks.. _ Windows Live™: Keep your life in sync. Check it out! http://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t1_allup_explore_012009 -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
[Mailman-Users] Spam Filters ..
if I want all messages to my list to be discarded and not shown in the pending moderator requests except for only one email address which I'm using to send to the list .. how can I do that thru spam filters ?? Thanks .. _ Drag n’ drop—Get easy photo sharing with Windows Live™ Photos. http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowslive/products/photos.aspx -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
[Mailman-Users] List size vs. server memory .. and moderation via command prompt..
Dear mailman guys .. 2 questions: 1- does the list members affect the server's memory ? I mean, is it better to split the list to 3 small lists for example rather than put all the members in one big list? 2- is there a way to remove the moderation flag from a certain member via SSH command prompt ?? Thanks .. _ More than messages–check out the rest of the Windows Live™. http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowslive/ -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
[Mailman-Users] clear messages held for moderation ..
hello .. is there a way to delete all the messages that are held for moderation via command prompt i.e. SSH ?? thanks .. _ Drag n’ drop—Get easy photo sharing with Windows Live™ Photos. http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowslive/products/photos.aspx -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Re: [Mailman-Users] my mailman has been hacked !!
Ok I have a set of problems here.. First, posting to the list using Approved: header as the first line of the message body did not work becasue I'm sending formatted messages using Microsoft outlook with tables n stuff .. Second, I tried the following: keep an email address as non moderated to be able to post to the list and in General options, I turned the option : Hide the sender of a message, replacing it with the list address = YES this way hackers n spammers won't know which address is allowed to post but now the subscribers are recieving From: listn...@mydomain.com and not from: 'My web site's Name' which is annoying.. Third, I can't afford to turn everyone's moderation bit on even my own address and then approve the messages using the web interface for 2 reasons: 1- I have 7 lists which is a real pain to log into each one of them and approve the messages.. 2- I'm afraid to approve one of the tens of spam and members messages by mistake .. what's the advice?? Thanks .. Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 16:39:28 -0700 From: m...@msapiro.net To: jeff...@goldmark.org; khillo...@hotmail.com CC: mailman-users@python.org Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] my mailman has been hacked !! Jeffrey Goldberg wrote: On May 27, 2009, at 1:23 PM, Khalil Abbas wrote: all members are moderated, except my own email address (m...@email.com) which I use to post to the list .. someone sent from my address the 'From' name is not me, Please clarify. Did the From line contain your email address (m...@email.com ) or not? You seem to be saying two different things. If, as I suspect, someone is merely forging your address to post to the list, there are two things that you can do (I would recommend that you do (1) as an immediate and temporary measure, until you can get (2) in place). (1) Moderate even your own postings, so that your list moderator password is required to post, even if from your own address. (2) Improve the spam/virus filtering on your mailserver. A forged message from an open relay containing a virus should have been stopped by your mail system long before it reached mailman. Two comments in addition to the above good advice. 1) Almost anyone can spoof your address in the From: of an email. This does not require an open relay server or anything fancy. Almost any MUA can do it. 2) That is why for announce lists we recommend moderating everyone and if you want to avoid moderation when posting, use an Approved: header to bypass moderation. See the FAQs at http://wiki.list.org/x/3YA9 and http://wiki.list.org/x/XIA9. -- Mark Sapiro m...@msapiro.net The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan _ Windows Live™: Keep your life in sync. Check it out! http://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t1_allup_explore_012009 -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
[Mailman-Users] my mailman has been hacked !!
HELP!! one of my lists has been hacked.. all members are moderated, except my own email address (m...@email.com) which I use to post to the list .. someone sent from my address to the list and all my subscribers has recieved a damn virus as an attachment!! but the 'From' name is not me, which means that the sender didn't use my email to send but used a kind of open-relayed server or something .. please help what should I do ??? _ Windows Live™: Keep your life in sync. Check it out! http://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t1_allup_explore_012009 -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
[Mailman-Users] emails are not being sent
Hi fellas .. I have a list of 15000 subscribers .. and everything was working fine till like 2 weeks ago, when sending to the list and checking the mail statistics.. I find out that the outgoing emails are only 9000!! I used to check the logs and all the 15000 were being sent successfully .. but now it's 9000 only and people has been complaining that they are not recieving my messages.. the list has no members with no mail option .. and no one has been automatically removed due to the bounce options.. what could be the problem? Thanks .. _ Show them the way! Add maps and directions to your party invites. http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowslive/products/events.aspx -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
[Mailman-Users] list error ..
hi, I have 6 lists on the same server posting to them onced daily .. but nearly half the members are not being sent to.. when going to web interface, there's a specific list (let's call it list5) always gives an error: bug in mailman when going to membership list .. on SSH server side, the list_members works, but on sending the command: ./list_members --nomail list5, I get this error: Traceback (most recent call last): File ./list_members, line 286, in ? main() File ./list_members, line 262, in main if nomail and not whymatches(mlist, addr, why): File ./list_members, line 138, in whymatches status = mlist.getDeliveryStatus(addr) File /usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/OldStyleMemberships.py, line 139, in getDeliveryStatus self.__assertIsMember(member) File /usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/OldStyleMemberships.py, line 113, in __assertIsMember raise Errors.NotAMemberError, member Mailman.Errors.NotAMemberError: samloutyAyahoo.com note that the --nomail option works on all other lists.. How to fix this error ?? Thanks .. _ Drag n’ drop—Get easy photo sharing with Windows Live™ Photos. http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowslive/products/photos.aspx -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
[Mailman-Users] unsubscription problem!!
hello, I'm recieving many messages from members in my lists that they have stopped recieving emails without requesting to be removed from the lists! when I check the daily backups I find out that their addresses does exist in old backups but disappear at some point .. I suspect my bounce settings.. it's set as follows: - The maximum member bounce score before the member's subscription is disabled : 5.0 - The number of days after which a member's bounce information is discarded, if no new bounces have been received in the interim:7 - How many Your Membership Is Disabled warnings a disabled member should get before their address is removed from the mailing list. Set to 0 to immediately remove an address from the list once their bounce score exceeds the threshold: 0 - The number of days between sending the Your Membership Is Disabled warnings:7 please advise.. _ More than messages–check out the rest of the Windows Live™. http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowslive/ -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
[Mailman-Users] Broken Pipe
hi, I've created a simple shell script to count members in my 3 lists : ** ./list_members list1 | wc -l ./list_members list2 | wc -l ./list_members list3 | wc -l ** and I keep getting this error: * wc: invalid option -- Try `wc --help' for more information. Traceback (most recent call last): File ./list_members, line 286, in ? main() File ./list_members, line 264, in main print fp, formataddr((safe(name), addr)) IOError: [Errno 32] Broken pipe when copying and pasting the 3 lines in my SSH window they work fine .. but when running the script I get these errors! it was working before but recently I formatted the drive and reinstalled the system: Centos5 .. please help _ News, entertainment and everything you care about at Live.com. Get it now! http://www.live.com/getstarted.aspx -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
[Mailman-Users] Bounce Score..
hello .. how can I know what the current bouce score is for each of my members?? Thanks.. _ News, entertainment and everything you care about at Live.com. Get it now! http://www.live.com/getstarted.aspx -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Re: [Mailman-Users] external mail server
I'm sorry .. I forgot to say: per list .. I meant : is there a way to set mailman to make each list on the same server to send using external mail servers?? for example : I have 5 lists, list1,list2,list3,list4,list5, can mailman make: list1 send to mail.external-server1.com list2 send to mail.external-server2.com list3 send to mail.external-server3.com list4 send to mail.external-server4.com list5 send to mail.external-server5.com thanks .. Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 08:00:24 -0800 From: m...@msapiro.net To: khillo...@hotmail.com; mailman-users@python.org Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] external mail server Khalil Abbas wrote: is there a way to configure mailman hosted on a dedicated server to send using an external mail server on another dedicated server e.g. : mail.domain-on-another-server.com? Set SMTPHOST and maybe SMTPPORT in mm_cfg.py. Note when installing/using any software, it is a good idea to read through it's configuration file(s) to familiarize yourself with the available settings. In the case of Mailman, that means reading Defaults.py. -- Mark Sapiro m...@msapiro.net The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan _ More than messages–check out the rest of the Windows Live™. http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowslive/ -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Re: [Mailman-Users] external mail server
are you guys gonna be real pals and do this modification to the source code soon? This would be a great addition to mailman's many great features - I hope this sucking up would work :) Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2009 18:39:02 -0600 From: b...@shub-internet.org To: khillo...@hotmail.com CC: mailman-users@python.org Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] external mail server on 2/14/09 6:11 PM, Khalil Abbas said: I'm sorry .. I forgot to say: per list .. I meant : is there a way to set mailman to make each list on the same server to send using external mail servers?? On a per-list basis? No, not without making source code modifications. On this issue, you get one global setting that all lists will use. -- Brad Knowles b...@shub-internet.org If you like Jazz/RB guitar, check out LinkedIn Profile: my friend bigsbytracks on YouTube at http://tinyurl.com/y8kpxu http://preview.tinyurl.com/bigsbytracks _ Show them the way! Add maps and directions to your party invites. http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowslive/products/events.aspx -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
[Mailman-Users] external mail server
hi, is there a way to configure mailman hosted on a dedicated server to send using an external mail server on another dedicated server e.g. : mail.domain-on-another-server.com? Thanks .. _ Invite your mail contacts to join your friends list with Windows Live Spaces. It's easy! http://spaces.live.com/spacesapi.aspx?wx_action=createwx_url=/friends.aspxmkt=en-us -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Re: [Mailman-Users] Multi list management ..
who said it's 5000 subscribers a day??? if I really did say this it's by mistake.. I meant 500 (5 Hundred) a day! and please, leave the type of mailing aside, if you're a non believer don't offend other people, I didn't try to shove my beliefs into your faces and I was really offended with what you said about religion.. besides, I'm using the mass remove and mass subscribe features because I have multiple lists and I'm using 1 email for subscribing and 1 email for removals then collect all the emails sent to these addresses and subscribe or remove them from all the lists in order to avoid double subscriptions.. many users in my list send messages by mistake to the subscribe email .. also my dear I've been running this list for over 3 years now and this number of subscribers didn't get there easy.. I'm sorry for all the fuss I've created by my simple request .. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Multi list management .. To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2008 10:27:11 -0600 CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; mailman-users@python.org The esteemed Khalil Abbas has said: Dear Brad,first of all, godaddy has a very very strict policy against spamming, you can read about it in their website.. if they noticed the least of bounces they would terminate your whole server .. besides, my list is OPT-IN and I never use the mass subscribe feature unless I want to move people from one list to another ..second, what I meant was: each subscriber likes the service so much that he sends it to his friends, and his friends like it so much that most of them subscribe.. for the service is very cool, a single line of quote that is never hard to read with great wisdom and benefit .. Third, you should think better of people, religious ! messages is not about bugging other people it's about teaching them not to disturb other people ..Thanks.. GOD FORGIVES.. Khalil Abbas: The more you protest in mails to this list, the more you come across as a spammer, pure and simple. Your original description: the problem is, everyday I have to MASS-REMOVE the list of addresses that wants to cancel on all the small lists .. as well as have to MASS-SUBSCRIBE the list of new subscriptions on all of the small lists which is getting really exhausting especially that my list is growing very fast (sometimes 5000+ subscribers a day) and I have to open a new small list every like 50 or 60 new thousand subscribers .. Mass-subscribe isn't opt-in by any stretch of the imagination. And having to mass-remove those who protest simply acknowledges that people don't like to be spammed. Beyond which, many users are taught that responding to spammers will simply validate their e-mail and produce more ! spam. 5000+ new subscribers a day says to me loud and clear that you are harvesting e-mail addresses from somewhere, or several somewheres. That's junk mail quantities. I live in a 9900 square mile county where every e-mail address in the county would be subscribed in 2-3 days at that rate. All of New York City might take a couple of weeks. A demographic of 250K qualified buyers comes across as an order of magnitude (i.e. 10 times) larger than anything I'd expect without clear-cut proof. Add to that the subject matter you are mailing. I am an old bull (mid-70's), and if there are is a red flag that gets the old bull's attention, it's religious mailings of any type. Politics rates a distant second. Don't bother talking to me about thinking better of people, forgiving gods, etc. when your description is of religious messages is not about bugging other people it's about teaching them not to disturb other people, and your methodology is to mass e-mail them with these mailings. In short, the more you post, the less I'm! inclined to believe that you are running anything other than a spam operation. I may not know everything, but as the late Red Skelton said, I calls them the way I sees them. Hank _ See how Windows connects the people, information, and fun that are part of your life. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/msnnkwxp1020093175mrt/direct/01/ -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Re: [Mailman-Users] Multi list management ..
OH MY GOD!! WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU GUYS? WHAT LANGUAGE DO YOU SPEAK??? I AM NOT A DANG SPAMMER!!! oh man! just to let you know.. I already cancelled from godaddy and bought a new server from Theplanet.com.. for they do not limit the amount of outgoing emails per day on dedicated servers like godaddy does.. I used to pay too much for 3 dedicated servers with godaddy!! one more thing, I WILL NOT USE MAILMAN! ARE YOU HAPPY?? I'll use PHPlist for it's way more efficient than mailman and supports mysql!! THANKS AND SORRY FOR ANY INCONVENIENCE!! SHEESH!! ps. : I forgive you all.. and please forgive me .. sorry if I've been harsh or something .. Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2008 19:56:18 -0400From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Re: [Mailman-Users] Multi list management .. It doesn't matter if it's five, five hundred, or five thousand. It also doesn't have anything to do with your believes, our believes, or the people you are contacting. It has everything to do with host policy and law.If your users do not opt in, THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH MASS ANYTHING, BUT A USER REQUESTING TO BE A MEMBER OF YOUR NEWSLETTER, then you are spamming them, PERIOD.Now, all you could do is quit arguing the point and put all of us administrators at rest by QUICKLY (no books please) assuring us that you are not a spammer so we do not (and Brad is ABSOLUTELY right to do so) report and are more willing to answer your question.If this is to hard, then I for one am sick of hearing this complaining about religion and believes. Get over yourself please.Ok, back to my real self. Have a nice night!Krystal On Sun, Sep 7, 2008 at 6:42 PM, Khalil Abbas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: who said it's 5000 subscribers a day??? if I really did say this it's by mistake.. I meant 500 (5 Hundred) a day!and please, leave the type of mailing aside, if you're a non believer don't offend other people, I didn't try to shove my beliefs into your faces and I was really offended with what you said about religion..besides, I'm using the mass remove and mass subscribe features because I have multiple lists and I'm using 1 email for subscribing and 1 email for removals then collect all the emails sent to these addresses and subscribe or remove them from all the lists in order to avoid double subscriptions.. many users in my list send messages by mistake to the subscribe email ..also my dear I've been running this list for over 3 years now and this number of subscribers didn't get there easy..I'm sorry for all the fuss I've created by my simple request .. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Multi list management .. To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: ! Sun, 7 Sep 2008 10:27:11 -0600 CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; mailman-users@python.org The esteemed Khalil Abbas has said: Dear Brad,first of all, godaddy has a very very strict policy against spamming, you can read about it in their website.. if they noticed the least of bounces they would terminate your whole server .. besides, my list is OPT-IN and I never use the mass subscribe feature unless I want to move people from one list to another ..second, what I meant was: each subscriber likes the service so much that he sends it to his friends, and his friends like it so much that most of them subscribe.. for the service is very cool, a single line of quote that is never hard to read with great wisdom and benefit .. Third, you should think better of people, religious ! messages is not about bugging other people it's about teaching them not to disturb other people ..Thanks.. GOD FORGIVES.. Khalil Abbas: The more you protest in mails to t! his list, the more you come across as a spammer, pure and simple. Your original description: the problem is, everyday I have to MASS-REMOVE the list of addresses that wants to cancel on all the small lists .. as well as have to MASS-SUBSCRIBE the list of new subscriptions on all of the small lists which is getting really exhausting especially that my list is growing very fast (sometimes 5000+ subscribers a day) and I have to open a new small list every like 50 or 60 new thousand subscribers .. Mass-subscribe isn't opt-in by any stretch of the imagination. And having to mass-remove those who protest simply acknowledges that people don't like to be spammed. Beyond which, many users are taught that responding to spammers will simply validate their e-mail and produce more ! spam. 5000+ new subscribers a day says to me loud and clear that youare harvesting e-mail addresses from somewhere, or several somewheres. That's junk mail quantities. I live in a 9900 square mile county where every e-mail address in the county wo! uld be subscribed in 2-3 days at that rate. All of New York City might take a couple of weeks. A demographic of 250K qualified buyers comes across as an order of magnitude (i.e. 10 times) larger than anything I'd expect without clear-cut proof. Add to that the subject matter you
Re: [Mailman-Users] Multi list management ..
what I meant was: each subscriber likes the service so much that he sends it to his friends, and his friends like it so much that they subscribe.. for the service is very cool, a single line of quote with great wisdom and benefit .. you should think better of people :) and just to let you know, my list is OPT-IN and godaddy has a very very very strict policy against spamming.. Thanks.. Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 09:16:08 +0200 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: mailman-users@python.org Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Multi list management .. Hi Khalil Abbas: Dear Mark,it's a religious list and each subscriber invites all his friends to subscribe, each one subscriber can make up to 100 people subscribe and that's the beauty of it.. besides, I only send a single line of religious quote not a huge article which make it popular to people .. Your policy still seems very strange. So if I join your list, I can send you up to 100 emails of my friends and you will just add them to your list? -- Zbigniew Szalbot www.LCWords.com _ Get more out of the Web. Learn 10 hidden secrets of Windows Live. http://windowslive.com/connect/post/jamiethomson.spaces.live.com-Blog-cns!550F681DAD532637!5295.entry?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_domore_092008 -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Re: [Mailman-Users] Multi list management ..
Dear Brad, first of all, godaddy has a very very strict policy against spamming, you can read about it in their website.. if they noticed the least of bounces they would terminate your whole server .. besides, my list is OPT-IN and I never use the mass subscribe feature unless I want to move people from one list to another .. second, what I meant was: each subscriber likes the service so much that he sends it to his friends, and his friends like it so much that most of them subscribe.. for the service is very cool, a single line of quote that is never hard to read with great wisdom and benefit .. Third, you should think better of people, religious messages is not about bugging other people it's about teaching them not to disturb other people ..Thanks.. GOD FORGIVES.. Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 10:47:36 -0500 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; mailman-users@python.org From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Multi list management .. At 1:57 AM + 9/6/08, Khalil Abbas wrote: it's a religious list and each subscriber invites all his friends to subscribe, each one subscriber can make up to 100 people subscribe and that's the beauty of it.. Okay, so you're spamming up to 100 people, at the request of a single person. Doesn't sound like a good idea to me. by the way, the list is about 200,000+ in size, but I have to divide it on several servers because godaddy (where I host the lists) limits the daily smtp relays so I can't send them all using only one server .. I have 3 servers with 100,000 emails per day limit each.. Given the way you've described it, I think we should probably contact GoDaddy and get them to terminate all your accounts. Now, if you can convince me that you've been misinterpreted or misunderstood, I might hold off on doing that. But you've got a tough job ahead of you. -- Brad Knowles [EMAIL PROTECTED] LinkedIn Profile: http://tinyurl.com/y8kpxu _ See how Windows Mobile brings your life together—at home, work, or on the go. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/msnnkwxp1020093182mrt/direct/01/ -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
[Mailman-Users] Multi list management ..
Dear mailman guys, I have a huge newsletter list (no discussion) that no dedicated server can handle, for mailman eats up the whole memory .. thus I divided it to several lists on different servers .. and I do the subscription and cancellation peocesses manually, I collect the requests on email addresses for subscriptions and cancellations then process them manually .. the problem is, everyday I have to MASS-REMOVE the list of addresses that wants to cancel on all the small lists .. as well as have to MASS-SUBSCRIBE the list of new subscriptions on all of the small lists which is getting really exhausting especially that my list is growing very fast (sometimes 5000+ subscribers a day) and I have to open a new small list every like 50 or 60 new thousand subscribers .. the question is, is there a way to manage ALL the lists at one time?? like mass removing from all the lists at a time ? please help.. Thanks.. _ See how Windows connects the people, information, and fun that are part of your life. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/msnnkwxp1020093175mrt/direct/01/ -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Re: [Mailman-Users] Multi list management ..
Dear Mark, it's a religious list and each subscriber invites all his friends to subscribe, each one subscriber can make up to 100 people subscribe and that's the beauty of it.. besides, I only send a single line of religious quote not a huge article which make it popular to people .. thanks for your help .. by the way, the list is about 200,000+ in size, but I have to divide it on several servers because godaddy (where I host the lists) limits the daily smtp relays so I can't send them all using only one server .. I have 3 servers with 100,000 emails per day limit each.. does anyone know a good company that has great servers with no limitation on the daily outgoing emails? I would appreciate it if u share if you have tried it .. appreciate your help .. Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 18:04:56 -0700 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; mailman-users@python.org Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Multi list management .. Khalil Abbas wrote: the problem is, everyday I have to MASS-REMOVE the list of addresses that wants to cancel on all the small lists .. as well as have to MASS-SUBSCRIBE the list of new subscriptions on all of the small lists which is getting really exhausting especially that my list is growing very fast (sometimes 5000+ subscribers a day) and I have to open a new small list every like 50 or 60 new thousand subscribers .. the question is, is there a way to manage ALL the lists at one time?? like mass removing from all the lists at a time ? Do these hundreds of thousands (millions?) of people all really opt-in to your newsletter? I'm reluctant to help you at all, because I think you'd have a difficult time convincing me you aren't spamming these people, but in the interest of helping you remove people, bin/remove_members --fromall --file=somefile will remove all the addresses found in 'somefile' from all lists. -- Mark Sapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan _ See how Windows Mobile brings your life together—at home, work, or on the go. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/msnnkwxp1020093182mrt/direct/01/ -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
[Mailman-Users] Syntax Error..
Dear mailman guys, I'm installing mailman on a dedicated server with debian, when trying to integrate mailman with postfix by changing the mm_cfg.py and un-commenting the MTA line: #-# Uncomment if you use Postfix virtual domains, but be sure to# read /usr/share/doc/mailman/README.POSTFIX first. MTA='Postfix' it gives me the followng error when I try to do anything, for example creating a new list: Traceback (most recent call last): File ./newlist, line 103, in ?from Mailman import mm_cfg File /var/lib/mailman/Mailman/mm_cfg.py, line 94 MTA=Postfix^SyntaxError: invalid syntax What should I do ?? Thanks a million .. _ Talk to your Yahoo! Friends via Windows Live Messenger. Find out how. http://www.windowslive.com/explore/messenger?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_messenger_yahoo_082008 -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
[Mailman-Users] policy errors ..
Hi, I have a dedicated server with debian operating system installed.. I used the following command line to install mailman: apt-get install mailman then used: bin/checkperms to check my installation and found 76 errors .. then I ran: bin/checkperms -f to fix and it fixed most of them but still there are 11 errors nomatter how much I repeat the command .. I also checked the FAQ about policies and stuff but it didn't give a satisfying answer, the errors are : /var/lib/mailman/logs bad group (has: root, expected list)/var/lib/mailman/cron bad group (has: root, expected list)/var/lib/mailman/locks bad group (has: root, expected list)/var/lib/mailman/scripts bad group (has: root, expected list)/var/lib/mailman/mail bad group (has: root, expected list)/var/lib/mailman/pythonlib bad group (has: root, expected list)/var/lib/mailman/templates bad group (has: root, expected list)/var/lib/mailman/cgi-bin bad group (has: root, expected list)/var/lib/mailman/Mailman bad group (has: root, expected list)/var/lib/mailman/bin bad group (has: root, expected list)/var/lib/mailman/icons bad group (has: root, expected list) please help .. Thanks.. _ Your PC, mobile phone, and online services work together like never before. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/108587394/direct/01/ -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
[Mailman-Users] Discarded Messages..
Dear mailman guys.. I have this option under Sender Filters set to NO : Should messages from non-members, which are automatically discarded, be forwarded to the list moderator? yet I keep recieving messages: From : [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of TO : [EMAIL PROTECTED] how can I stop this ? Thanks.. _ Time for vacation? WIN what you need- enter now! http://www.gowindowslive.com/summergiveaway/?ocid=tag_jlyhm -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
[Mailman-Users] Mailman Auto Install
Hi, I bought a dedicated server to host my list with .. but for my surprise, mailman did not exist in its control panel which is webmin .. in cpanel u can just click a button and it will do everything but not in webmin .. I tried to follow the installation instructions from the site (list.org) but it's like reading chineese!! I couldn't understand a thing .. is there like a script to automatically install mailman like in forums ? u just run a single command and it automatically extracts the mailman files (which I didn't know how to do that in the first place) and asks you a few questions to configure mailman??? please help .. Thanks.. _ Need to know now? Get instant answers with Windows Live Messenger. http://www.windowslive.com/messenger/connect_your_way.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_messenger_072008 -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
[Mailman-Users] excessive bounce notifications..
hi guys, I recieve over 2000 messages from mailman-bounces every day with subject: Uncaught bounce notification.. and when opening any message it's nothing but another Spam Ad about pills or shoes or other stuff.. how can I stop these ADs from being sent to my Admin email? it's becoming a real pain as it takes forever to download to the inbox.. on the other hand, I don't want to disable the notification because sometimes it might be a bounce that mailman couldn't detect so I remove it manually from the list .. thanks.. _ Change the world with e-mail. Join the i’m Initiative from Microsoft. http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/Join/Default.aspx?source=EML_WL_ChangeWorld -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
[Mailman-Users] server load..
hi guys, I posted this message a couple of days ago but didn't get any satisfying answers.. neither did I find a good answer in the Faq cause it's too technical .. so here's my message again: hi mailman guys .. my question is, I have a 100,000+ subscribers mailing list, and hosting it with godaddy.com (Celeron 2000, 2 GBs RAM) .. but they only allow 100,000 emails per day for each dedicated server, so I have to buy a new server now, and it's a bit expensive.. I found another cheap service, $30/month dedicated servers and they offer unlimited emails per day.. but its characteristics are a bit low: AMD, 512 MB RAM .. my question is, will mailman with such a huge list which is also rapidly growing work on such server? knowing that I only send 1 email newsletter a day to the list and none of the users can send to the list but me.. another question, is it easy to install mailman manually? cause in godaddy's control panel it's ready to install with 1 click.. but with the new cheap service I have to install it myself.. and is there a ready-to-install script that does everything automatically like that in the control panels? Thanks for everything mates .. _ Give to a good cause with every e-mail. Join the i’m Initiative from Microsoft. http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/Join/Default.aspx?souce=EML_WL_ GoodCause -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman-Users Digest, Vol 47, Issue 55
hi mailman guys .. my question is, I have a 100,000+ subscribers mailing list, and hosting it with godaddy.com (Celeron 2000, 2 GBs RAM) .. but they only allow 100,000 emails per day for each dedicated server, so I have to buy a new server now, and it's a bit expensive.. I found another cheap service, $30/month dedicated servers and they offer unlimited emails per day.. but its characteristics are a bit low: AMD, 512 MB RAM .. my question is, will mailman with such a huge list which is also rapidly growing work on such server? knowing that I only send 1 email newsletter a day to the list and none of the users can send to the list but me.. another question, is it easy to install mailman manually? cause in godaddy's control panel it's ready to install with 1 click.. but with the new cheap service I have to install it myself.. Thanks for everything mates .. _ Stay in touch when you're away with Windows Live Messenger. http://www.windowslive.com/messenger/overview.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Refresh_messenger_052008 -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman-Users Digest, Vol 47, Issue 45
Hello mailman guys.. ok, I have a dedicated server .. and I use mailman to send a daily newsletter.. I recenly got a list of 1,000,000 email addresses that I want to use to promote my website and mailing list .. can I create another mailman installation and add these addresses to it and use it to send an invitation to visit my website and join my mailing list without the risk of getting blocked by hotmail or yahoo or others because these emails I bought will have many faulty ones and will generate excessive bounces.. is mailman programmed in a way to avoid getting blocked by hotmail and others?? or do u think it's better to buy another server and use it for promotion? Thanks mailman unknown soldiers ;) _ Climb to the top of the charts! Play the word scramble challenge with star power. http://club.live.com/star_shuffle.aspx?icid=starshuffle_wlmailtextlink_jan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
[Mailman-Users] Promotion
Hello mailman guys.. ok, I have a dedicated server .. and I use mailman to send a daily newsletter.. I recenly got a list of 1,000,000 email addresses that I want to use to promote my website and mailing list .. can I create another mailman installation and add these addresses to it and use it to send an invitation to visit my website and join my mailing list without the risk of getting blocked by hotmail or yahoo or others because these emails I bought will have many faulty ones and will generate excessive bounces.. is mailman programmed in a way to avoid getting blocked by hotmail and others?? or do u think it's better to buy another server and use it for promotion? Thanks mailman unknown soldiers ;) _ Need to know the score, the latest news, or you need your Hotmail®-get your fix. http://www.msnmobilefix.com/Default.aspx -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Promotion
Now this is the most logical and reasonale answer I've ever got .. this is what I call: a reply from a professional.. she's right, I have no idea that this is spamming.. all I know about spamming is those who send you repeatedly every once in a while, and all I wanna do is send a simple invite and that's all.. if this is spamming, then screw it .. I'm no programmer and no whiz.. somebody gave me this huge list of emails for money and said it will make people more aware of my site if I used it to invite them .. anyways, thanks cyndi.. I really appeciate your help .. and for the guys who thrashed me.. thanks too, but I didn't know.. anyways, no harm done.. Thanks .. Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 16:22:09 -0800 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; mailman-users@python.org; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Promotion Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 15:31:48 -0800 From: Allan Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] So I suppose that the best response is to simply ignore requests such as this which so obviously is from a spammer. I disagree. They shouldn't be ignored. They should be denounced. Previous posters covered all the bases just in (the unlikely) case the poster had a legit list (or perhaps a list he was told was legit when he bought it). I can't imagine this guy is a seasoned spammer with full knowledge of what he is doing or he wouldn't have posted for help. If he wants to do things legally and ethically, it's not too late. If he doesn't, well, we're not going to help him with his mailer issues. Cyndi _ Shed those extra pounds with MSN and The Biggest Loser! http://biggestloser.msn.com/ -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
[Mailman-Users] two mailman installations..
Dear mailman guys.. I have a cent-os dedicated server with godaddy and is hosting my daily newsletter list on it .. my subscrier list has grown to over 77,000 and is growing rapidly that I will have to purchase another server in order to deliver the newsletter in the same day.. because godaddy's policy allows each dedicated server to send the maximum of 100,000 emails per day.. the question is, is there a way to prevent duplicate subscriptions? because people subscribe to my newsletter by email sent to me, then I collect all the emails and use the mass-subscribe option in the web interface.. and some subscribers may exist in the first server and not in the second one so that they will recieve the same email twice.. any ideas how to avoid duplicate subscriptions in different servers? thanks.. _ Connect and share in new ways with Windows Live. http://www.windowslive.com/share.html?ocid=TXT_TAGHM_Wave2_sharelife_012008 -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] mass subscribe
hi, I have a dedicated server with cent-OS .. I access my mailman using: http://www.mydoman.com/mailman/admin/listname based on the message below, a nice fellow answered my questions by: path-to-mailman/bin/ now I browsed my server using SSH but couldn't find the path to mailman anywhere, I automatically installed it using the control panel of my server.. but I don't know where I can find the path to mailman and the bin directory in it to run the commands! could anyone please help me? here's my previous message and the answer of the nice guy: dear mailman guys, 2 things .. 1- is there a way to mass-subscribe users through sending a command by email to the list without the administritive interface? because I keep getting an 'Internal server error' message 2- I've been trying to get a list of users to my email using the 'who password' command.. but it keeps giving me only 2500 addresses instead of the 75000+ emails in my list .. what to do about it? your help is highly appreciated .. /path-to-mailman/bin/sync_members [options] -f filename listname /path-to-mailman/bin/list_members listname _ Need to know the score, the latest news, or you need your Hotmail®-get your fix. http://www.msnmobilefix.com/Default.aspx -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
[Mailman-Users] run mailman commands..
hello all.. I have a dedicated server with CentOS installed.. I need to perform some mailman commands without going thru the administrative interface that doesn't work due to an 'internal server error' message.. now mailman commands are installed here: /usr/lib/mailman/bin for example I need to run the ' list_members listname' command but it keeps telling me that this is not a command.. although I logged in as 'root' not as the regular user name .. can you please write the exact syntax that allows me to put the members of a list called dailymail (without the quotes)in a text file using the list_members command? I also would really appreciate the exact syntax of the command that allows me to mass-subscribe the emails in a text file and adding them to same list called dailymail? .. and also the syntax that removes a bunch of emails in a text file from the list .. I'm no linux programmer or something, do I need to put a certian thingy before each command to run? like run list_members or should I use some kind of code, in other words, what is the exact syntax or way that allows me to do the tasks above? thanks a million.. _ Shed those extra pounds with MSN and The Biggest Loser! http://biggestloser.msn.com/ -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
[Mailman-Users] Whenever this pain will end??
Hello All, well it's the same ol' story, I'm getting a 500 INTERNAL SERVER ERROR and can't even log into my mailman's administration pages.. I've checked the searchable archives and noticed that many users have been facing the same error and nobody could provide a working solution .. unless if I missed something while reading the archives, did u guys found a cure for this pain in the act?? I'm running an Apache/2.0.52 (CentOS) Server , 2GBs of RAM, 120GBs hard disk space, and my mailman started to act this way ever since the list has grown to over 73,000 subscribers knowing that ONLY I post to my list and only one message is posted to the list daily .. and one more thing, I kinda got lazy to read about how to retrieve your subscription list and subscribe or unsubscribe users from the list without using the admin interface, so could u please tell me how to add and remove new users without going to the admin pages that doesn't work? please HELP! Thank you .. _ Climb to the top of the charts! Play the word scramble challenge with star power. http://club.live.com/star_shuffle.aspx?icid=starshuffle_wlmailtextlink_jan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
[Mailman-Users] mass subscribe
dear mailman guys, 2 things .. 1- is there a way to mass-subscribe users through sending a command by email to the list without the administritive interface? because I keep getting an Internal server error message.. 2- I've been trying to get a list of users to my email using the 'who password' command.. but it keeps giving me only 2500 addresses instead of the 75000+ emails in my list .. what to do about it? your help is highly appreciated .. Thanks.. _ Climb to the top of the charts! Play the word scramble challenge with star power. http://club.live.com/star_shuffle.aspx?icid=starshuffle_wlmailtextlink_jan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
