[Mailman-Users] eVote-2.52b2 for Mailman released
Beta 2 of the open source software utility, eVote(R)/Clerk, has been been released and is now available at http://www.sourceforge.net/projects/evote. eVote(R)/Clerk has been an add-on utility for Majordomo since 1996 that has recently been enhanced to work with Mailman 2.0.13. It provides functionality for taking polls among the subscribers of email discussion lists. This is a bug-fix release, where the path-finding code is more robust. Also, instructions were added for configuring through Exim's runtime configuration file. FEATURES * Enables any member of an email list to generate a new poll for the group. * Polls can be: + Public - where everyone can see everyone's votes, or + Private - where no one can see anyone else's vote, or + If-Voted - where everyone can see who voted, but not how they voted. + Numeric - where votes are from 1 to 10, or -10 to 10, etc., or + Yes/No. + Visible - where everyone can see the tally while the poll is open, or + Hidden - where no one can see the results until the poll is closed. + Single item - or, + Grouped items - where participants vote for one of a number of choices, or for three of the choices, or they can distribute their 100 vote points over the choices. * Supports petitions. Petitions are generated and collaboratively administered by the members of a petition list. Petition features: + Open for anyone to sign. + Supported in English, Spanish and French. + Can be: - Signature-only petitions - Petitions with voting items - Petitions with forms The Linux Journal, http://www.LinuxJournal.com, the monthly magazine of the Linux Community, featured an article about eVote in the March, 2003 issue. On the Linux Journal website, Don Marti, the Journal's editor says: On page 72, Marilyn Davis explains that true democracy needs both elections and deliberation. Most systems offer one or the other, but not both. However, Marilyn's eVote system makes it possible for any user of a Mailman-based mailing list to start a wide variety of single-choice or multiple-choice polls. After the initial setup, there's no need for an administrator. - Please try it out. Marilyn Davis, Ph.D [EMAIL PROTECTED]-1 650 965-7121 Author of eVote(R)/Clerkhttp://www.deliberate.com -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Exim/Mailman Issue - Not sending anything
Did you do mailmanctl to start the qrunners in the background? Have you made a new list and has email come to you, as the admin of the list? This should all happen before you worry about other list members. Good luck. Marilyn Davis On Thu, 29 May 2003, Michael Arena wrote: Hello, I have configured Mailman 2.12 from source on RH 7 using Exim as the MTA. I can access all the admin pages and have added the appropriate entries to the Exim config file based on the instructions detailed here: http://www.exim.org/howto/mailman.html. I restarted Exim and still cannot invite members to my list. I try to invite them to check that it is sending email but i don't get anything from the list, no error messages either. Anyone have any idea how to get this working from the point? Thanks in advance for any help you can give. Thanks, Mike -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/marilyn%40deliberate.com -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Name or service not known
On Sat, 29 Mar 2003, Marilyn Davis wrote: On Fri, 2003-03-21 at 17:04, Marilyn Davis wrote: I'm still pulling out my hair on this one ... Remember that I was trying to get my stand-alone test machine to use my Sendmail command (really exim) instead of SMTPDirect? Remember? Well, I finally found a better way to fix up my test machine and I can use SMTPDirect and all is fine. So, whenever I made a newlist, it didn't like the owner's email address not having 2 parts to the domain name. So, I jimmied a domain name in exim. This, via SMTPDirect, resulted in Mailman sending to the dns who couldn't find my jimmied domain name and the mail just sat in the queue. So, instead I jimmied Utils.py to accept domains with just 1 part and all is groovy. Whew! Marilyn -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Name or service not known
Thank you. That's a good thought but I'm doing this on 2.0.13. M. On Sat, 29 Mar 2003, Jon Carnes wrote: I suspect you simply forgot the restart the mailmanctl daemon last time. :-) - Original Message - From: Marilyn Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2003 4:43 PM Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Name or service not known On Fri, 2003-03-21 at 17:04, Marilyn Davis wrote: I'm still pulling out my hair on this one ... Remember that I was trying to get my stand-alone test machine to use my Sendmail command (really exim) instead of SMTPDirect? On 22 Mar 2003, Barry Warsaw wrote: So, in my mm_cfg.py I put: DELIVERY_MODULE = 'Sendmail' but it didn't fix it. Are you sure SENDMAIL_CMD points to the right executable? How can I get it to use sendmail (linked to exim) instead of the SMTPDirect module? They way you're doing it is the only way, and it ought to work, I wish I could report that I figured out the problem here. It is fixed but I don't understand it. Changing my mm_cfg.py DELIVERY_MODULE to Sendmail didn't work until I ran it in the debugger. Then it worked outside the debugger too. I put it back to SMPTDirect to try to figure out what is happening and it stopped working again. Putting it back to Sendmail did not fix it, once again, until I ran it in the debugger. And now it works every time again. I'm new to Python and wanting to become fluent, so I wish I understood what could be happening. I understand that my_module.py gets compiled to my_module.pyc. I'm wondering what happens with qrunner since it doesn't have a .py or a .pyc. Is the byte code stored some place? Or maybe my brains were attached to all the hairs I pulled out on this one and I've gone nuts. Marilyn -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jonc%40nc.rr.com -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Name or service not known
On Fri, 2003-03-21 at 17:04, Marilyn Davis wrote: I'm still pulling out my hair on this one ... Remember that I was trying to get my stand-alone test machine to use my Sendmail command (really exim) instead of SMTPDirect? On 22 Mar 2003, Barry Warsaw wrote: So, in my mm_cfg.py I put: DELIVERY_MODULE = 'Sendmail' but it didn't fix it. Are you sure SENDMAIL_CMD points to the right executable? How can I get it to use sendmail (linked to exim) instead of the SMTPDirect module? They way you're doing it is the only way, and it ought to work, I wish I could report that I figured out the problem here. It is fixed but I don't understand it. Changing my mm_cfg.py DELIVERY_MODULE to Sendmail didn't work until I ran it in the debugger. Then it worked outside the debugger too. I put it back to SMPTDirect to try to figure out what is happening and it stopped working again. Putting it back to Sendmail did not fix it, once again, until I ran it in the debugger. And now it works every time again. I'm new to Python and wanting to become fluent, so I wish I understood what could be happening. I understand that my_module.py gets compiled to my_module.pyc. I'm wondering what happens with qrunner since it doesn't have a .py or a .pyc. Is the byte code stored some place? Or maybe my brains were attached to all the hairs I pulled out on this one and I've gone nuts. Marilyn -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Name or service not known
On 22 Mar 2003, Barry Warsaw wrote: On Fri, 2003-03-21 at 17:04, Marilyn Davis wrote: I'm still pulling out my hair on this one, and a hairless woman is not a pretty thing. Oh, I don't know about that... http://go.sciflicks.com/artists/p/persis_khambatta_star_trek_the_motion_picture.jpg :) Yeh, well she shaved her head, I pull my hair out in clumps. If this goes on much longer, it'll look the same and I'll be that pretty? I figured out that the SMTPDirect thing was going straight out a port rather than piping to exim. This is a standalone machine for development and testing. This is true. SMTPDirect sends messages over port 25 via the smtplib module. Still, if you're running your Exim as a daemon, it should be possible to configure it to accept only localhost port 25 connections. That's what I'd recommend anyway. I went back to SMTPDirect and set exim to collect over port 25 but nothing changed. So, in my mm_cfg.py I put: DELIVERY_MODULE = 'Sendmail' but it didn't fix it. Are you sure SENDMAIL_CMD points to the right executable? Absolutely. I can run the mail through using that command. How can I get it to use sendmail (linked to exim) instead of the SMTPDirect module? They way you're doing it is the only way, and it ought to work, but you should be aware of the security issues. This delivery module goes through the shell so you have quoting issues and the like to worry about. It's hard to care about security on a standalone test machine. I'm missing something because when I do the Sendmail thing, it still gets the same error in the smtp log, so I guess it's still doing the same thing. I'm going to get the debugger going next. Thank you for your thoughts on this Barry. I know you're too busy. Marilyn There have been some ideas to fix this. What I'd like to see is Sendmail.py fixed to not use the shell, and for smtplib.py to be able to talk SMTP over stdin/stdout. But I have no time to work on these things. -Barry -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Error messages using Postfix v.2.0.6
On Fri, 21 Mar 2003, Ted Dively wrote: Mailman v.2.1.1 Postfix v.2.0.6 Python v.2.2.2 I get this error from the mail server: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Command died with status 2: /usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman post mailman. Command output: Group mismatch error. Mailman expected the mail wrapper script to be executed as group mailman, but the system's mail server executed the mail script as group nobody. Try tweaking the mail server to run the script as group mailman, or re-run configure, providing the command line option `--with-mail-gid=nobody'. Reporting-MTA: dns; zaius.groupd.com Arrival-Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2003 12:57:54 -0800 (PST) But when I reconfigure everything to correct this, I get the same exact error, but with mailman and nobody swapped. In other words, no matter how I configure mailman, whether with nobody or mailman, it bounced the mail. Did you do both things? You should do only one. Both the mail server and mailman need to run under the same group. I think. Also, when executing bin/mailmanctl start, I get these errors: Starting Mailman's master qrunner. [zaius:/usr/local/mailman] ted% Cannot import runner module Mailman.Queue.ArchRunner Hmmm. It sounds like you don't have the complete installation, but I don't know. Good luck. Marilyn Davis No module named _socket Cannot import runner module Mailman.Queue.OutgoingRunner No module named _socket Cannot import runner moduleCannot import runner module Mailman.Queue.NewsRunner No module named _socket Mailman.Queue.IncomingRunner No module named _socket Cannot import runner module Mailman.Queue.BounceRunner No module named _socket Cannot import runner module Mailman.Queue.CommandRunner No module named _socket Cannot import runner module Mailman.Queue.VirginRunner No module named _socket Can anyone help me figure out what's going on here? I'm pulling out my hair trying to get this installation to work. Ted Dively * Group D Communications -- IT Support, Databases, Networking, Web Sites POB 170697 San Francisco, CA 94117-0697 PH 415.401.8333 x305 FX 415.401.8334 http://www.groupd.com mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/marilyn%40deliberate.com -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Name or service not known
I'm still pulling out my hair on this one, and a hairless woman is not a pretty thing. It's still old 2.0.13 and I need to run that on this particular machine. I figured out that the SMTPDirect thing was going straight out a port rather than piping to exim. This is a standalone machine for development and testing. So, in my mm_cfg.py I put: DELIVERY_MODULE = 'Sendmail' but it didn't fix it. How can I get it to use sendmail (linked to exim) instead of the SMTPDirect module? Marilyn On Wed, 19 Mar 2003, Marilyn Davis wrote: I'm setting up mailman/exim and when qrunner runs, no mail goes out. Nothing appears in exim_mainlog but $config/logs/smtp says: All recipients refused: (-2 'Name or service not known') I can't figure where this is coming from. If I go to $config/qfiles, the message waits there. I can push the message out by using exim -t the_message.txt so I think exim is ok. All my sendmail files are linked to exim. What else? Anyone have an idea what I've done wrong? Thank you, Marilyn Davis -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/marilyn%40deliberate.com -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
[Mailman-Users] Name or service not known
I'm setting up mailman/exim and when qrunner runs, no mail goes out. Nothing appears in exim_mainlog but $config/logs/smtp says: All recipients refused: (-2 'Name or service not known') I can't figure where this is coming from. If I go to $config/qfiles, the message waits there. I can push the message out by using exim -t the_message.txt so I think exim is ok. All my sendmail files are linked to exim. What else? Anyone have an idea what I've done wrong? Thank you, Marilyn Davis -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] 2.01 and 2.1 side by side?
I did this with no problem on my development machine, i.e., no real list traffic. I handle all list addresses through the alias file. If you are handling them inside exim, I don't know what to do to make it work. I just placed the two mailmen in different $config directories, which are reflected in the paths in the aliases. Good luck. Marilyn Davis On Tue, 18 Feb 2003, Warren Woodward wrote: We have several hundred lists running on a 2.0.1 server, and frankly I'm more than a little concerned about attempting to move the server to 2.1 (if for no other reason than the prospective support nightmare of getting all these list owners used to the new code). But I have been impressed with the latest rev, and would like to offer it to my customers as well. Does anyone here have any real world experience running each version side by side on a single machine? Is this more pain than it's worth? Should we break down and buy a second server to host the latest rev? Or are there any supportive experiences to an upgrade on a level this large? I'm all ears for any suggestions. Thanks in advance. -- warren woodward XMission DSL Domo/Mailman [EMAIL PROTECTED] (801) 303-0819 (877) XMISSION The United States, as the world knows, will never start a war. -JFK, American University, June 10, 1963 -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/marilyn%40deliberate.com -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: archive@jab.org Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
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[Mailman-Users] Announce: Mailman 2.0.13 compatible eVote available
An open source software utility, eVote(R)/Clerk, has been recently enhanced to cooperate with GNU Mailman 2.0.13. The eVote code, now available http://www.sourceforge.net/projects/evote, provides a facility for taking polls among the subscribers of email discussion lists. The project's developer, Marilyn Davis, Ph.D., [EMAIL PROTECTED] of California, http://www.Deliberate.com, has provided eVote with a telnet interface since 1994; and since 1996 as an add-on utility to the Majordomo listserve. FEATURES * Enables any member of an email list to generate a new poll for the group. * Polls can be: + Public - where everyone can see everyone's votes, or + Private - where no one can see anyone else's vote, or + If-Voted - where everyone can see who voted, but not how they voted. + Numeric - where votes are from 1 to 10, or -10 to 10, etc., or + Yes/No. + Visible - where everyone can see the tally while the poll is open, or + Hidden - where no one can see the results until the poll is closed. + Single item - or, + Grouped items - where participants vote for one of a number of choices, or for three of the choices, or they can distribute their 100 vote points over the choices. * Supports petitions. Petitions are generated and collaboratively administered by the members of a petition list. Petition features: + Open for anyone to sign. + Supported in English, Spanish and French. + Can be: - Signature-only petitions - Petitions with voting items - Petitions with forms The Linux Journal, http://www.LinuxJournal.com, the monthly magazine of the Linux Community, is featuring an article about eVote in the March, 2003 issue. On the Linux Journal website, Don Marti, the Journal's editor says: On page 72, Marilyn Davis explains that true democracy needs both elections and deliberation. Most systems offer one or the other, but not both. However, Marilyn's eVote system makes it possible for any user of a Mailman-based mailing list to start a wide variety of single-choice or multiple-choice polls. After the initial setup, there's no need for an administrator. -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: archive@jab.org Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Announce: Mailman 2.0.13 compatible eVote available
Thanks Larry. You're right, it isn't good for 2.1 -- yet. You could put in an enhancement request, both at http://www.sourceforge.net/projects/mailman and http://www.sourceforge.net/projects/evote The actual work would involve only modifying a few Mailman 2.1's modules and making the new installation script. Marilyn On Fri, 7 Feb 2003, Larry Hansford wrote: I read the article in Linux Journal last night, and liked the description of this software. But, it didn't appear from the article that it would work with Mailman 2.1, which I'm running. The lines it adds to the aliases are of the old format. I would love to have a capability such as the eVote, though. Larry At 11:40 AM 2/7/2003, Marilyn Davis wrote: An open source software utility, eVote(R)/Clerk, has been recently enhanced to cooperate with GNU Mailman 2.0.13. The eVote code, now available http://www.sourceforge.net/projects/evote, provides a facility for taking polls among the subscribers of email discussion lists. The project's developer, Marilyn Davis, Ph.D., [EMAIL PROTECTED] of California, http://www.Deliberate.com, has provided eVote with a telnet interface since 1994; and since 1996 as an add-on utility to the Majordomo listserve. FEATURES * Enables any member of an email list to generate a new poll for the group. * Polls can be: + Public - where everyone can see everyone's votes, or + Private - where no one can see anyone else's vote, or + If-Voted - where everyone can see who voted, but not how they voted. + Numeric - where votes are from 1 to 10, or -10 to 10, etc., or + Yes/No. + Visible - where everyone can see the tally while the poll is open, or + Hidden - where no one can see the results until the poll is closed. + Single item - or, + Grouped items - where participants vote for one of a number of choices, or for three of the choices, or they can distribute their 100 vote points over the choices. * Supports petitions. Petitions are generated and collaboratively administered by the members of a petition list. Petition features: + Open for anyone to sign. + Supported in English, Spanish and French. + Can be: - Signature-only petitions - Petitions with voting items - Petitions with forms The Linux Journal, http://www.LinuxJournal.com, the monthly magazine of the Linux Community, is featuring an article about eVote in the March, 2003 issue. On the Linux Journal website, Don Marti, the Journal's editor says: On page 72, Marilyn Davis explains that true democracy needs both elections and deliberation. Most systems offer one or the other, but not both. However, Marilyn's eVote system makes it possible for any user of a Mailman-based mailing list to start a wide variety of single-choice or multiple-choice polls. After the initial setup, there's no need for an administrator. -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: archive@jab.org Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
