Re: [Mailman-Users] true virtual hosting
Dony, As the developers have pointed out you can: 1. Wait for Mailman 3.0 2. Use CPanel which has modified Mailman to support virtual hosts 3. Use the patch you found and get support from the developer and most likely remain on an older version of Mailman I have another method that I use with Plesk/Qmail that gets around the issue without modifying Mailman. Basically you append the hostname to the listname for each list. You then create aliases for the listname within the virtual host that point to the combined hostname-listname Mailman addresses. This gets around the single namespace issue. There is a little overhead do to the aliases but it is all internal to the machine you are running on. Happy to provider further details off list if you are interested. In Service, Michael Kabot President - SOAR Scouting Online Affordable Reliable [EMAIL PROTECTED] 585-388-0211 www.soarol.com | -Original Message- | From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf | Of Mark Sapiro | Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 11:31 AM | To: Dony Tata | Cc: Mailman-Users@python.org | Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] true virtual hosting | | Dony Tata wrote: | how to make mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] and [EMAIL PROTECTED] in the | same machine from web, i use postfix and mailman 2.1.5 patch true | virtual hosting. Patch true virtual hosting from | https://lethe.koumbit.net/svn/koumbit/trunk/patches/mailman-true- | virtual-2.1.5.patch. | i got the error list already exits | | | This feature is scheduled for support in Mailman 3. In the mean time, | if | you use a non-standard, unsupported patch, you may be able to get help | from the author. | | -- | Mark Sapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED]The highway is for gamblers, | San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan | -- | Mailman-Users mailing list | Mailman-Users@python.org | http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users | Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 | Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman- | users%40python.org/ | Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman- | users/mkabot%40soarol.com | | Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Re: [Mailman-Users] Bounce Message, ReturnPath/ErrorsTo issue
Mark, My apologies, I should have noted that - I have Bounce Processing turned off - I have the -bounces address forwarding to the -owner address. With Bounce Processing off I still needed bounce messages to go back to the list owner |/var/qmail/bin/preline /var/qmail/bin/mm_wrapper /usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman owner [LISTNAME] | -Original Message- | From: Mark Sapiro [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | Sent: Thursday, July 03, 2008 12:45 AM | To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; mailman-users@python.org | Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Bounce Message, ReturnPath/ErrorsTo issue | | Michael Kabotwrote: | | Configuration | - CentOS 5 64 bit | - Mailman 2.1.9 | - Qmail with Plesk 8.3 mods | | I have an interesting bounce issue occurring. | - Email is sent to a Mailman List | - List sends to each address | - One of the addresses bounces | - The bounce message ends with the right FROM and TO headers, but the | wrong | RETURN-PATH and ERRORS-TO headers. | | Is this a Mailman or Qmail issue? | | Here is the bounce message | | -- | Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Received: (qmail 28263 invoked from network); 2 Jul 2008 14:46:36 - | 0400 | Received: from localhost (HELO [MAIL.RIGHTDOMAIN.COM]) (127.0.0.1) | by localhost with SMTP; 2 Jul 2008 14:46:36 -0400 | | | It looks like below here up to my next comment are the actual bounce | notice headers with Return-Path: indicating a null envelope from | which should be the case for a normal bounce. | | The headers above here look like Mailman received this bounce and | resent it to a list owner. When sending to a list owner, Mailman sets | the envelope from the site list (mailman) -bounces address. Is | [WRONGDOMAIN.COM] the domain of the site list? Neither [RIGHTDOMAIN.COM] or [WRONGDOMAIN.COM] are the domain of the 'mailman' site list. [WRONGDOMAIN.COM] is coincidentally the last add_virtualhost line of my config file. Where in the code are these being added to the -owner address? | | Return-Path: | Delivered-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Received: (qmail 28252 invoked for bounce); 2 Jul 2008 14:46:34 -0400 | Date: 2 Jul 2008 14:46:34 -0400 | From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Subject: failure notice | | | And the header below may have also been added by Mailman in resending. | | | Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | | | The thing that's strange in all the above is that Mailman (at least | standard GNU Mailman) doesn't redirect bounces like this. It sends a | totally new message to the list owner with the original bounce | attached. | | Also, assuming [BADEMAIL ADDRESS]: in the notice was enclosed in as | in [EMAIL PROTECTED]:, it would not have been an unrecognized bounce | in 2.1.9. | | Is this Mailman 2.1.9 installed from our distribution, or is it a Plesk | or other package? I think the modification of -bounces to -owner and Bounce Processing turned off would explain the format above. In Service, Michael Kabot President - SOAR [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Re: [Mailman-Users] Bounce Message, ReturnPath/ErrorsTo issue
(To the list this time !)
Mark,
Thanks for the quick response and pointers to the right place in the code.
I have left Plesk managing the Mailman lists to try to keep continuity on my
server. It looks like Plesk is not doing a good job of properly configuring
Mailman or the lists.
The following is an excerpt from my mm_cfg.py
from socket import *
try:
fqdn = getfqdn()
except:
fqdn = 'mm_cfg_has_unknown_host_domains'
DEFAULT_URL_HOST = fqdn
DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = fqdn
add_virtualhost(DEFAULT_URL_HOST, DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST)
add_virtualhost('lists.[DOMAIN1.COM]')
add_virtualhost('lists.[DOMAIN2.COM]')
[ADDITIONAL LINES FOR EACH OF THE HUNDREDS OF DOMAINS I HOST]
If there is no 2nd parameter to add_virtualhost, will it create one from the
1st parameter? I checked, there are no duplicate add_virtualhost lines.
It looks like getfqdn() is where the WRONGDOMAIN.COM is coming from.
Either way, I would rather have a bounced bounce message go
[EMAIL PROTECTED] than a domain specific email address or the
mailman-bounces address. Looks like I can affect that in the owner code
given my Mailman configuration.
Thank you for your assistance !
Mike
| -Original Message-
| From: Mark Sapiro [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
| Sent: Thursday, July 03, 2008 11:18 AM
| To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; mailman-users@python.org
| Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Bounce Message, ReturnPath/ErrorsTo issue
|
| Michael Kabot wrote:
|
| My apologies, I should have noted that
| - I have Bounce Processing turned off
| - I have the -bounces address forwarding to the -owner address. With
| Bounce Processing off I still needed bounce messages to go back to the
| list
| owner
| |/var/qmail/bin/preline /var/qmail/bin/mm_wrapper
| /usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman
|owner [LISTNAME]
|
| snip
|
| Neither [RIGHTDOMAIN.COM] or [WRONGDOMAIN.COM] are the domain of the
| 'mailman' site list. [WRONGDOMAIN.COM] is coincidentally the last
| add_virtualhost line of my config file.
|
| Where in the code are these being added to the -owner address?
|
|
| The scripts/owner script which receives mail addressed to -owner sets
|
|envsender=Utils.get_site_email(extra='bounces')
|
| (this is in Mailman/Utils.py). This in turn gets the domain part of the
| address in a complex way (see Utils.get_domain()), but in this case,
| it boils down to
|
| - get DEFAULT_URL_HOST
| - look up the corresponding email host in mm_cfg.VIRTUAL_HOSTS
| (the dictionary built by add_virtualhost())
|
| So it looks like you probably have more that one add_virtualhost()
| entry with the same url_host argument (either DEFAULT_URL_HOST or its
| literal value.
|
| This doesn't work. VIRTUAL_HOSTS is a Python dictionary (hash table)
| with key = the first add_virtualhost() argument and value = the second.
|
| So, if you have something equivalent to
|
| add_virtualhost('www.example.com', 'example.com')
| add_virtualhost('www.example.com', 'example.net')
|
| the second entry replaces the first.
|
| All url_hosts and all email hosts in
|
| add_virtualhost(url_host, email_host)
|
| lines need to be unique for it to work as intended.
|
| --
| Mark Sapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED]The highway is for gamblers,
| San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Bounce Message, ReturnPath/ErrorsTo issue
Mark,
The modification to scripts/owner will do the trick for me.
I have owner notifications turned off on all lists, so no need to modify
Message.py.
Thank again for the assistance.
Mike
| -Original Message-
| From: Mark Sapiro [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
| Sent: Thursday, July 03, 2008 12:56 PM
| To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; mailman-users@python.org
| Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Bounce Message, ReturnPath/ErrorsTo issue
|
| Michael Kabot wrote:
|
| I have left Plesk managing the Mailman lists to try to keep continuity
| on my
| server. It looks like Plesk is not doing a good job of properly
| configuring
| Mailman or the lists.
|
| The following is an excerpt from my mm_cfg.py
|
| from socket import *
| try:
| fqdn = getfqdn()
| except:
| fqdn = 'mm_cfg_has_unknown_host_domains'
|
| DEFAULT_URL_HOST = fqdn
| DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = fqdn
|
| add_virtualhost(DEFAULT_URL_HOST, DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST)
|
| add_virtualhost('lists.[DOMAIN1.COM]')
| add_virtualhost('lists.[DOMAIN2.COM]')
| [ADDITIONAL LINES FOR EACH OF THE HUNDREDS OF DOMAINS I HOST]
|
| If there is no 2nd parameter to add_virtualhost, will it create one
| from the
| 1st parameter?
|
|
| Yes. add_virtualhost('xxx.somedomain') is equivalent to
| add_virtualhost('xxx.somedomain', 'somedomain').
|
|
| It looks like getfqdn() is where the WRONGDOMAIN.COM is coming from.
|
|
| It looks that way. See http://docs.python.org/lib/module-socket.html.
|
|
| Either way, I would rather have a bounced bounce message go
| [EMAIL PROTECTED] than a domain specific email address or the
| mailman-bounces address. Looks like I can affect that in the owner
| code
| given my Mailman configuration.
|
|
| You can set that in the scripts/owner script for messages sent directly
| to or via the -owner address. This will get some but not all owner
| notifications. To get the rest, you also have to look at
| Mailman/Message.py. In the definition of the OwnerNotification()
| class's __init__ method there is
|
| sender = Utils.get_site_email(mlist.host_name, 'bounces')
|
| which set's the sender similarly to the way the owner script does
| except it usees the list's host_name attribute as the domain of the
| mailman-bounces address.
|
| --
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| San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan
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[Mailman-Users] Bounce Message, ReturnPath/ErrorsTo issue
Configuration - CentOS 5 64 bit - Mailman 2.1.9 - Qmail with Plesk 8.3 mods I have an interesting bounce issue occurring. - Email is sent to a Mailman List - List sends to each address - One of the addresses bounces - The bounce message ends with the right FROM and TO headers, but the wrong RETURN-PATH and ERRORS-TO headers. Is this a Mailman or Qmail issue? Here is the bounce message -- Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: (qmail 28263 invoked from network); 2 Jul 2008 14:46:36 -0400 Received: from localhost (HELO [MAIL.RIGHTDOMAIN.COM]) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 2 Jul 2008 14:46:36 -0400 Return-Path: Delivered-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: (qmail 28252 invoked for bounce); 2 Jul 2008 14:46:34 -0400 Date: 2 Jul 2008 14:46:34 -0400 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: failure notice Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi. This is the qmail-send program at [MAIL.RIGHTDOMAIN.COM]. I'm afraid I wasn't able to deliver your message to the following addresses. This is a permanent error; I've given up. Sorry it didn't work out. [BADEMAIL ADDRESS]: [REMOTEIP] does not like recipient. Remote host said: 550-5.1.1 The email account that you tried to reach does not exist. Please 550-5.1.1 try double-checking the recipient's email address for typos 550-5.1.1 or unnecessary spaces. Learn more at 550 5.1.1 http://mail.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?answer=6596 23si5229629hsd.10 Giving up on [REMOTEIP]. --- Below this line is a copy of the message. Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: (qmail 28243 invoked from network); 2 Jul 2008 14:46:34 -0400 Received: from localhost (HELO [MAIL.RIGHTDOMAIN.COM]) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 2 Jul 2008 14:46:34 -0400 Return-Path: [SENDEREMAIL] Delivered-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: (qmail 28072 invoked from network); 2 Jul 2008 14:46:32 -0400 Received: [OMMITTED] Received: [OMMITTED] Message-ID: [OMMITTED] Date: Wed, 02 Jul 2008 14:46:27 -0400 From: [OMMITTED] User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (Windows/20080421) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [members] whiter water trip update X-BeenThere: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [ORIGINAL MESSAGE] -- In Service, Michael Kabot President - SOAR Scouting Online Affordable Reliable [EMAIL PROTECTED] 585-388-0211 www.soarol.com -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Re: [Mailman-Users] Virtual hosts and re-using list names
Jon, As our resident Mailman experts have stated - this is not a standard feature of the current versions. I don't know the release date for Version 3, but it was being talked about 2 years ago when I first started using Mailman I have gotten around this in the current 2.x versions by doing two things: 1. putting some filters in place to append the sitename to the mailman listname at the time of list creation 2. adding mail aliases for the original [EMAIL PROTECTED] that point to the sitename-listname@ list addresses. I am using Qmail so that is very easy to do. It is a crude fix but has been working well for me for over 2 years with hundreds of domains and thousands of mailing lists. There is a side effect that the From/Sender/Reply-To addresses of lists look a little weird, but I have modified Mailman to fix that as well. If you want to go down this path, feel free to contact me off list. Mike Kabot [EMAIL PROTECTED] | -Original Message- | From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf | Of Brad Knowles | Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 12:10 PM | To: Jon Slater | Cc: mailman-users@python.org | Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Virtual hosts and re-using list names | | Jon Slater wrote: | | Is there a way to re-use list names for multiple virtual hosts | without | running multiple instances of MM? | | Not with the standard version of Mailman, no. See FAQ 4.47 at | http://wiki.list.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=4030604. | | -- | Brad Knowles [EMAIL PROTECTED] | LinkedIn Profile: http://tinyurl.com/y8kpxu | -- | Mailman-Users mailing list | Mailman-Users@python.org | http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users | Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py | Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman- | users%40python.org/ | Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman- | users/mkabot%40soarol.com | | Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw- | mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Basic bounce processing question
Follow up question on the below suggestion. In this configuration if a user replies, they will be replying to the -bounces address which will then send email to the Admin - not the entire list? How do I configure the list to use the basename, without the -bounces, in the Sender: field? Thanks, Mike | -Original Message- | From: Mark Sapiro [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 11:31 AM | To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Mailman-Users@python.org | Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Basic bounce processing question | | Michael Kabot wrote: | | Is there anyway to turn the bounce processing score feature off, | prevent | bounces from going back to list members, but still have bounce | messages go | the list owner? | | | You do this in the MTA. If the MTA has an alias like: | | listname-bounces: |/path/to/mail/mailman bounces listname | | You change it to | | listname-bounces: |/path/to/mail/mailman owner listname | | If the MTA uses some other kind of routing for Mailman, you do the | equivalent thing. | | Note that bounces from RFC compliant MTAs will always be returned to | the listname-bounces address (the envelope sender). That address is | also put in Sender: and Errors-To: headers in the outgoing mail to | help non-compliant MTAs get it right. Still, there are non-compliant | MTAs that will return bounces to the From: or other header address. | There's nothing Mailman can do about that. | | -- | Mark Sapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] The highway is for gamblers, | San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Basic bounce processing question
Mark, Thanks! Surprise, right there but I didn't see it. Is there anyway to turn the bounce processing score feature off, prevent bounces from going back to list members, but still have bounce messages go the list owner? Mike | -Original Message- | From: Mark Sapiro [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 2:03 AM | To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Mailman-Users@python.org | Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Basic bounce processing question | | Michael Kabot wrote: | | If you turn bounce processing OFF on a mailman list - where do bounce | messages go? Back to the sender, to the moderator, both, neither? | | | If bounce processing is off for a list, mail to the list-bounces | address is not processed at all. It is completely ignored. | | The 'Details for bounce_processing' link puts it this way By setting | this value to No, you disable all automatic bounce processing for this | list, however bounce messages will still be discarded so that the list | administrator isn't inundated with them. | | -- | Mark Sapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] The highway is for gamblers, | San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
[Mailman-Users] Basic bounce processing question
Ok... very basic question but I cannot find an answer anywhere. I've been through the documentation, the FAQ, done a few Google searches - nothing. If you turn bounce processing OFF on a mailman list - where do bounce messages go? Back to the sender, to the moderator, both, neither? Thanks in advance, Mike Kabot -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] different domain
Guilherme, In the current version of Mailman you cannot create a list with the same name on multiple domains. Or to be more specific, each server has a single namespace for mailing lists - independent of domain name. One method to get around this is to append the domain name to the list name to make it unique. In Service, Michael Kabot President - SOAR Scouting Online Affordable Reliable [EMAIL PROTECTED] 585-388-0211 www.soarol.com | | On 10/6/07, Guilherme Funchal wrote: | | How to create two lists with same name, but different domain name | and | different users ? | | Search the FAQ Wizard for virtual domain hosting. | -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] user administration
Paul, The only way I have found is through the command line utilities, specifically the withlist command. There are some good examples of code to pass to withlist if you do a Google search. Mike | -Original Message- | From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf | Of Paul Wilson | Sent: Friday, July 13, 2007 1:30 PM | To: Mailman-Users@python.org | Subject: [Mailman-Users] user administration | | Anyone know how I can edit ALL the users in a given list, to change one | option for all or most of the users at one time? Without using shell. | | Paul Wilson | Stay Gold! | | www.freaksincorporated.com | www.choppertownnation.net | www.grimmskateboards.com | www.phatchoppers.com | www.allamericancycles.net | www.tinakite.com | www.denisehawkins.com | www.3leggeddawg.com | www.itsnotlevel.com | -- | Mailman-Users mailing list | Mailman-Users@python.org | http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users | Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py | Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman- | users%40python.org/ | Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman- | users/mkabot%40soarol.com | | Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw- | mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] HELPPPPPPPP !!!
Also being a GoDaddy Dedicated Server customer, I would say it may have NOTHING to do with Mailman... You don't really have your own SMTP server at GoDaddy - you go through their SMTP relay. I have found that on some days email goes out instantly, on others it gets delayed for hours. Also, if you are a new GoDaddy customer you probably have a watch filter set on your account to verify you are not spamming - this may slow things down too. I would check your logs and see when emails are sent to the SMTP relay, this will tell you how Mailman is doing. Delivery time is not an accurate reflection of what Mailman is/isn't doing. What server admin application are you using: Cpanel or Plesk? You also may want to check your mail queue to see if anything is stuck there. Mike | -Original Message- | From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf | Of Jeff Shepherd | Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2007 10:02 PM | To: balligho | Cc: mailman-users@python.org | Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] HEL !!! | | You may want to check how the mailing list was setup. If it was | setup to use digests, then depending on the digest that was setup, it | may be an hourly, daily, weekly, or monthly digest. Meaning that X | number of users are delivered the message at the intervals that I | mentioned. | | You can check this under the Digest Options in the Admin panel of | the list. | | Page 11 of the Admin Manual explains the Digest option in greater | detail that, more than likely, explains it better than I just did. | | -Jeff | | | On Jul 12, 2007, at 6:29 PM, balligho wrote: | | | hello all.. | | after warmn wlecomes I would like to say : PLEASE HELP ! | | I have purchased a dedicated server from godaddy.com, celeron 2000 | 1 GB Ram | bla bla bla .. I bought this server to host my mailing list on | which has | over 45,000 subscribers which should be no problem because I'm | allowed to | send 100,000 messages per day .. only me post a small daily | newsletter to | the members.. | | well they kinda automatically install the mailman mailing list | manager using | the server's control panel, after installing, configuration, | uploading | members, all is well.. then I post to the list .. I have added like | 5 or 6 | test email accounts @yahoo and @gmail and @hotmail n others to test | if | mailman will deliver to these addresses or not .. | | now I'm completely blind.. the damn thing has n kind of | status | report, delivery queue... etc nothing !!! I have checked all the test | account and didn't find my message except in 1 of them .. yet I keep | recieving some messages to my administrator email that mailman caught | bounces it couldn't resolve so I figured out it's still sending .. | | my question is: DOES MAILMAN TAKE OVER A DAY TO SEND TO 45,000 | PEOPLE ON A | SERVER WITH ULTRA HIGH SPEED INTERNET CONNECTION?? I used to send | the daily | newsletter using a small script I did in microsoft outlook to | automatically | compose messages and send them n it didn't take over 5 hours each | day on my | stupid computer with bad internet connection .. and how the heck I | can track | what mailman's doing?? or if it delivered to all subscribers or not?? | | please help ... | | Thanks.. | | -- | View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/HEL-%21% | 21%21-tf4071630.html#a11571280 | Sent from the Mailman - Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. | | -- | Mailman-Users mailing list | Mailman-Users@python.org | http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users | Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py | Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users% | 40python.org/ | Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/ | jeffs%40tolisgroup.com | | Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py? | req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp | | -- | Mailman-Users mailing list | Mailman-Users@python.org | http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users | Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py | Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman- | users%40python.org/ | Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman- | users/mkabot%40soarol.com | | Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw- | mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman roadmap
Brad, Thanks. I didn't expect it to move from its current 3.0 slot, just adding a +1 for its importance. I have multiple domains working by doing some preprocessing before Mailman. I tried the various patches and none worked well. My method makes sure I can use the most current Mailman release without have to modify any patches. I concatenate the list name the user enters with their unique customer ID and then hand that guaranteed unique list name to mailman. I then add Qmail forwards within their domain for the list name to the list name w/ concatenation. It has solved my problem in the short term but has the disadvantage that users see the list concatenation name in email headers. I would love to help, but afraid my Python experience is non existent. I fondly remember my Xerox PARC friends coding away in Python while I was using Perl, PHP, and C/C++ . Mike | -Original Message- | From: Brad Knowles [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2007 12:16 PM | To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; mailman-users@python.org | Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman roadmap | | On 7/9/07, Michael Kabot wrote: | | I'd like to add a +1 for multiple domain support as well. | | Barry's answered this one. All desires aside, the only real | solutions we've found for this problem require some pretty massive | architectural changes, at which point we're right back where we | started from with Mailman 3.0. | | Try the unsupported patches. If you're a programmer, make some code | changes. If you can show us a suitable answer to this problem that | doesn't require massive architectural changes, it will get serious | consideration. | | So far, that's the best answer that anyone can give. | | -- | Brad Knowles [EMAIL PROTECTED], Consultant Author | LinkedIn Profile: http://tinyurl.com/y8kpxu | Slides from Invited Talks: http://tinyurl.com/tj6q4 | | 09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0 -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman roadmap
I'd like to add a +1 for multiple domain support as well. When I selected Mailman almost a year ago I remember this feature being on the 2.2 feature list... Developing software myself I fully understand how it has moved to 3.x. At the same time, maybe a limit to what goes into 2.2 so that 3.x doesn't keep moving either ? In Service, Michael Kabot President - SOAR Scouting Online Affordable Reliable [EMAIL PROTECTED] 585-388-0211 www.soarol.com | -Original Message- | From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf | Of Barry Warsaw | Sent: Monday, July 09, 2007 7:03 AM | To: David Lee | Cc: mailman-users@python.org | Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman roadmap | | -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- | Hash: SHA1 | | On Jul 9, 2007, at 4:28 AM, David Lee wrote: | | I would like to register a +1 towards at least the beginnings of | proper, | multiple-domain support. No need at all for this to be the whole | thing, | but at least its basic foundations. Even just a hidden own-risk | installation option of having the listnames (and references to them) | internally stored and processed as [EMAIL PROTECTED] would | help. | | My suggestion would be to investigate some of the unofficial patches | that provide this, or look into using the Site.py hack for this. The | problem with putting something better (even as use-at-your-own-risk) | in 2.2 is that it's a fairly fundamental change to the architecture | of the system so it would require fairly extensive testing. That's | why I really want to defer this to 3.0. | | What worries me about the fixed in the Mailman 3 dev branch is the | timescale. You mention both that 2.1 is (shockingly) 4.5 years | old, and | that there is no ETA for Mailman 3.0. | | Right. I'm not ready to commit to a schedule yet, but it's basically | all I'm working on right now. | | So with such a basic, minimal foundation (for true multiple | domains) in | place, then those of us who would really like it a.s.a.p. in our | service | environments (i.e. not Mailman 3) would be able to contribute to | building | it, perhaps as a subproject (analogous to those you mention for | SQAlchemy/Elixir, archiver, web u/i, etc.). | | You can do this now. Start an unofficial branch of Mailman 2.2, | publish it, and contribute some code. If you surprise me about the | scope of the changes necessary, we can consider it for 2.2 proper. | This would be an ideal test of the power of using Bazaar. If you're | interested in this, let's move the discussion over to mailman- | developers. | | Anyway, thanks for your work over the years,and now on Mailman. It | is | much appreciated! | | My pleasure! | - -Barry | | -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- | Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (Darwin) | | iQCVAwUBRpIV/HEjvBPtnXfVAQLmdAP6A47uRwzcCBZ81Xao1OcoCjIPC+6c0sAd | wUtWPPzdkqp05sNAMQK3r22nH1d7ZRMVODhj01FcM/L+CGyRvH3tJtGT9WJOozIX | EeeehHPkZhS82nXWopPHE1y8J5DrgNrO0zujZZivOVufRN0ToqXSNGV8VYhn+jp6 | EuNq0FxAo+w= | =zdju | -END PGP SIGNATURE- | -- | Mailman-Users mailing list | Mailman-Users@python.org | http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users | Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py | Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman- | users%40python.org/ | Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman- | users/mkabot%40soarol.com | | Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw- | mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman and Qmail/Vpopmail
Simon, Ok... Sounds like you have your problem defined. - Mailman is interacting with Qmail fine - Vpopmail has move the mailnames directory into its own directory structure - Qmail seems to know this, but Mailman does not Just for a sanity check - As root run Mailman's bin/check_perms I'm at the end of my experience level. Can anyone else on the list jump in? In Service, Michael Kabot President - SOAR Scouting Online Affordable Reliable [EMAIL PROTECTED] 585-388-0211 www.soarol.com | -Original Message- | From: Simon Schuh [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2007 3:12 AM | To: mailman-users@python.org | Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman and Qmail/Vpopmail | | | I'm using ServerAdmin24, it's developed by the German ISP | Strato. The normal e-mail functions work fine. | | In /var/qmail/control/virtualdomains there is one entry for | every domain. | Like: mydomain.tld:mydomain.tld | There Mailman added one line: lists.mydomain.tld:mailman | | In /home/vpopmail/domains there is a directory for every domain. | Like: /home/vpopmail/domains/mydomain.tld/ | In there are .qmail files for all defined adresses. | | Mailman didn't create any files there. | Can I tell Mailman where to create the files or how I'm doing this? | | | | Michael Kabot schrieb: | Can you see an .qmail-alias files under the /var/vpopmail/domains | diretory? | | Are you using Plesk, Cpanel, or any type of server/domain control | panel? | | If so, create an email alias through the control panel for | one of your | domains domain.tld. | | Check to see if the .qmail-alias file shows up in | /var/vpopmail/domains/domain.tld. | | If it does not, that is not where Qmail configuration files are | stored. | | Unfortunately, I am not familiar with Vpopmail or how it interfaces | with Qmail. | | | In Service, | | Michael Kabot | President - SOAR | Scouting Online | Affordable Reliable | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | 585-388-0211 | | www.soarol.com | | -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman and Qmail/Vpopmail
Mark, Thanks for adding this information ! Simon, I use Plesk for server control which automatically creates the files Mark is talking about. Thus I don't have to create them manually. From my installation of Qmail, I can confirm that all the files discussed below need to be created. That is how Qmail knows about the mailing lists and their names. Take an existing .qmail-alias file in the Vpopmail directory and use it as an example of how to name the files and their proper permissions. In Service, Michael Kabot President - SOAR Scouting Online Affordable Reliable [EMAIL PROTECTED] 585-388-0211 www.soarol.com | -Original Message- | From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | On Behalf Of Mark Sapiro | Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2007 1:10 PM | To: Simon Schuh; mailman-users@python.org | Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman and Qmail/Vpopmail | | | Simon Schuh wrote: | | In /home/vpopmail/domains there is a directory for every domain. | Like: /home/vpopmail/domains/mydomain.tld/ | In there are .qmail files for all defined adresses. | | Mailman didn't create any files there. | Can I tell Mailman where to create the files or how I'm doing this? | | | Mailman does not create any aliases for qmail. You have to | create them manually, 10 for each list. When you create a | list, you should get a report and an email about the aliases | similar to the following for the 'mailman' list. | | ## mailman mailing list | mailman: |/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman post mailman | mailman-admin: |/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman admin mailman | mailman-bounces: |/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman bounces mailman | mailman-confirm: |/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman confirm mailman | mailman-join: |/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman join mailman | mailman-leave: |/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman leave mailman | mailman-owner: |/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman owner mailman | mailman-request: |/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman request mailman | mailman-subscribe: |/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman | subscribe mailman | mailman-unsubscribe: |/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman | unsubscribe mailman | | but this is not the format for qmail alaises. I know nothing | about qmail. All I know is at | http://www.list.org/mailman-install/qmail-issues.html which | you say you've read. | | What it says to me is that for each list you need to create | 10 files named .qmail-x where x is from the 'local parts | above (e.g. mailman. mailman-admin, etc.). These files should | be created in the /home/vpopmail/domains/mydomain.tld/ | directory for the list domain. | | The contents of these files should be something related to | the respective pipe command in the above list similar to | | |preline /usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman post mailman | | etc. | | This is only my understanding of what I read in | http://www.list.org/mailman-install/qmail-issues.html. It | may not be correct. | | For further information, you'd have to see qmail documention | or ask on a qmail list or wait until someone with relevant | experience sees your post on this list. | | As an alternate to aliases in qmail, there is a contributed | script at contrib/qmail-to-mailman.py in the Mailman source | distribution and a brief note about it at | http://www.list.org/mailman-install/qmail-issues.html. It | is 8 years old, but it might work. | | -- | Mark Sapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] The highway is for gamblers, | San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan | | -- | Mailman-Users mailing list | Mailman-Users@python.org | http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users | Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py | Searchable Archives: | http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ | Unsubscribe: | http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/mkabot%40 soarol.com Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman and Qmail/Vpopmail
Simon, The Qmail files can usually be found in /var/qmail/mailnames. There should be a directory for each domain. Within these directories Qmail uses .qmail-alias filenames for configuration so they are easily missed. Make sure to use 'ls -al' to see them. Check to see if Mailman has created the proper .files. There should be quite a few for each list you have created. In Service, Michael Kabot President - SOAR Scouting Online Affordable Reliable [EMAIL PROTECTED] 585-388-0211 www.soarol.com | -Original Message- | From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | On Behalf Of Simon Schuh | Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2007 6:34 PM | To: mailman-users@python.org | Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman and Qmail/Vpopmail | | | Hello, | | I'm trying to install Mailman and have some problems. | If I try to send an email to the list(configuration), | qmail cannot deliver the mail and I get a Sorry, no mailbox | here by that name. I looked in the logs and qmail actually | tries to find the local [EMAIL PROTECTED], | like I configured it in the virtualdomains. I think qmail | doesn't check the mailman home which is /usr/local/mailman. | And I don't really know how qmail could find it. I have the | line lists.mydomain.tld:mailman in virtualdomains, but how | should qmail know where to find the mailman home directory? | | Hope the question is not to stupid and somebody can help me. | | Thanks, | Simon Schuh | | -- | Mailman-Users mailing list | Mailman-Users@python.org | http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users | Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py | Searchable Archives: | http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ | Unsubscribe: | http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/mkabot%40 soarol.com Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman and Qmail/Vpopmail
Can you see an .qmail-alias files under the /var/vpopmail/domains diretory? Are you using Plesk, Cpanel, or any type of server/domain control panel? If so, create an email alias through the control panel for one of your domains domain.tld. Check to see if the .qmail-alias file shows up in /var/vpopmail/domains/domain.tld. If it does not, that is not where Qmail configuration files are stored. Unfortunately, I am not familiar with Vpopmail or how it interfaces with Qmail. In Service, Michael Kabot President - SOAR Scouting Online Affordable Reliable [EMAIL PROTECTED] 585-388-0211 www.soarol.com | -Original Message- | From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | On Behalf Of Simon Schuh | Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2007 10:57 PM | To: mailman-users@python.org | Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman and Qmail/Vpopmail | | | My Qmail files are in /home/vpopmail/domains, but there are | no files for | Mailman. | I tried to create them manually, but probably did that wrong. | Where should they be? | | Simon Schuh | | | | Michael Kabot schrieb: | Simon, | | The Qmail files can usually be found in | /var/qmail/mailnames. There | should be a directory for each domain. Within these | directories Qmail | uses .qmail-alias filenames for configuration so they are easily | missed. Make sure to use 'ls -al' to see them. | | Check to see if Mailman has created the proper .files. | There should | be quite a few for each list you have created. | | | In Service, | | Michael Kabot | President - SOAR |Scouting Online | Affordable Reliable | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | 585-388-0211 | | www.soarol.com | | | -- | Mailman-Users mailing list | Mailman-Users@python.org | http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users | Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py | Searchable Archives: | http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ | Unsubscribe: | http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/mkabot%40 soarol.com Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] HTML causing list-wide bounce?
Brad, Thanks for the pointer. I have Mailman running successfully under Plesk 8.1 including - an upgraded to the 2.1.8 release last year - mailman serving lists for virtual domains through an integration with Plesk Qmail You Paul helped me greatly, simply by suggesting it was an MTA filter - which caused me to take a more detailed look at my system and find the Qmail logs - which then pointed to the issue, my hosting provider's relay server rejecting the message. I will stay on the mailman-users list to assist others who may be using Plesk. The hosting providers and SWSOFT will be of no use to those trying to figure out Mailman In Service, Michael Kabot President - SOAR Scouting Online Affordable Reliable [EMAIL PROTECTED] 585-388-0211 www.soarol.com | -Original Message- | From: Brad Knowles [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | Sent: Monday, April 16, 2007 1:28 PM | To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; mailman-users@python.org | Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] HTML causing list-wide bounce? | | | At 4:56 PM -0400 4/15/07, Michael Kabot wrote: | | I am not fluent in Qmail. Finally found the logs for | Qmail which was | not in the /var/log location, but rather deep under a Plesk | directory. | | Ahh. Plesk. See FAQ 6.15. | | -- | Brad Knowles [EMAIL PROTECTED], Consultant Author | LinkedIn Profile: http://tinyurl.com/y8kpxu Slides from | Invited Talks: http://tinyurl.com/tj6q4 | -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Support for Cpanel users?
There may be some install/config specific issues for Cpanel Plesk. At the same time, I would guess these users also have a lot of common mailman questions that have nothing to do with Cpanel/Plesk as well I'm for keeping 1 list. As I stated earlier, I'll stay on to assist with Plesk users. In Service, Michael Kabot President - SOAR Scouting Online Affordable Reliable [EMAIL PROTECTED] 585-388-0211 www.soarol.com | -Original Message- | From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | On Behalf Of Stephen J. Turnbull | Sent: Monday, April 16, 2007 9:39 PM | To: Brad Knowles | Cc: mailman-users@python.org; Tracey McCartney | Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Support for Cpanel users? | | | Brad Knowles writes: | | Of course, if there isn't any other resource, then CPanel | users are | welcome to try to help each other through this list. | | +1 | | Such help might even leak into the FAQ occasionally. | | Maybe it's also time we set up a separate | mailman-cpanel-users list, | as well as a mailman-plesk-users list. | | -1 | | I agree with Dragon's reasoning. | | -- | Mailman-Users mailing list | Mailman-Users@python.org | http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users | Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py | Searchable Archives: | http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ | Unsubscribe: | http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/mkabot%40 soarol.com Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Support for Cpanel users?
Ed, | Now to stir the pot -:), is it possible for a Server | Provider (bluehost.com is THE BEST with the BEST | bang-for-the-buck and the MOST responsive Tech group I have | EVER been exposed to!!) to dump the cPanel version of MM and | do a source install that would work similar to the | pre-package version?? I doubt you will get a hosting company to do that That would require the provider to directly support mailman themselves vs. keeping it bundled under Cpanel. It might be a thought to create a FAQ on how to upgrade Cpanel/Plesk to the latest version of Mailman and keep it up to date. I'm not familiar with Cpanel. In Service, Michael Kabot President - SOAR Scouting Online Affordable Reliable [EMAIL PROTECTED] 585-388-0211 www.soarol.com | -Original Message- | From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 12:04 AM | To: mailman-users@python.org | Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Support for Cpanel users? | | | I see the problem with that idea being that there won't be | many subscribers to either list and the core folks who | provide a large part of the help on this list won't be on | either of those lists because they don't use Plesk/cPanel. | | As a captive of cPanel, I feel the need to add my .02 here. | | Dragon is 100% correct. | | Even tho I don't have command access I have learned a LOT | about MailMan via THIS List for which I am very grateful!! | | | My sincerest THANKS to all you solvers/teachers !! | | Ed | www.justbrits.com | -- | Mailman-Users mailing list | Mailman-Users@python.org | http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users | Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py | Searchable Archives: | http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ | Unsubscribe: | http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/mkabot%40 soarol.com Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Support for Cpanel users?
| For Plesk, they use an ancient version of Python, and an ancient | version of all the Python libraries, but if you know what you're | doing and you hold your mouth right while doing the correct dance | while waving a dead chicken, you can jury-rig things so that you can | actually replace the version of Mailman that is installed without | disturbing Plesk too much. | | However, the moment you do this, you wipe out any possibility of ever | getting any kind of support on anything else related to Plesk -- your | hosting provider isn't going to touch the machine unless it's their | official plain-jane installed version, and the Plesk folks aren't | even going to talk to you at all. | | So, this probably isn't a good option for use with Plesk, either. The latest release of Plesk (8.1) from Feb 07 is only 1.1 revs out on python and 0.4 revs out for mailman. That's not too bad for commercial software. As for support... I've found your hosting provider and Plesk won't really give you the level of support you need anyhow if you need to be on the latest release or tweak something in the config. That's why these forums exist ! Also, if you have the ability to change versions - usually it means your are in a virtual or dedicated server which has very little technical support anyhow. I'll have to go back and pull out my notes on how I got Plesk, Mailman, Qmail to work together. I know out of the box that unlike Cpanel/Mailman, Plesk/Mailman is limited to a single namespace for list names across virtual domains. In Service, Michael Kabot President - SOAR Scouting Online Affordable Reliable [EMAIL PROTECTED] 585-388-0211 www.soarol.com | -Original Message- | From: Brad Knowles [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 12:37 AM | To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'; mailman-users@python.org | Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Support for Cpanel users? | | | At 11:41 PM -0400 4/16/07, Michael Kabot wrote: | | It might be a thought to create a FAQ on how to upgrade | Cpanel/Plesk | to the latest version of Mailman and keep it up to date. I'm not | familiar with Cpanel. | | CPanel has made source-code level changes to the version of Mailman | they ship, so no version of Mailman you install from our sources will | include that changed functionality. I think that this solution is a | non-starter for CPanel. | | | For Plesk, they use an ancient version of Python, and an ancient | version of all the Python libraries, but if you know what you're | doing and you hold your mouth right while doing the correct dance | while waving a dead chicken, you can jury-rig things so that you can | actually replace the version of Mailman that is installed without | disturbing Plesk too much. | | However, the moment you do this, you wipe out any possibility of ever | getting any kind of support on anything else related to Plesk -- your | hosting provider isn't going to touch the machine unless it's their | official plain-jane installed version, and the Plesk folks aren't | even going to talk to you at all. | | So, this probably isn't a good option for use with Plesk, either. | | -- | Brad Knowles [EMAIL PROTECTED], Consultant Author | LinkedIn Profile: http://tinyurl.com/y8kpxu Slides from | Invited Talks: http://tinyurl.com/tj6q4 | -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] HTML causing list-wide bounce?
Paul, My apologies... The link got messed up, the HTML content of the email is at http://www.soarol.com/tmp/EmailList-HTMLerror-2.txt. The other link you saw was a web page, which did have javascript and links to PayPal. Excellent suggestion. I will replace the -bounces address and see what I get on Monday when I can get the customer to send more test messages. I am not fluent in Qmail. Finally found the logs for Qmail which was not in the /var/log location, but rather deep under a Plesk directory. The logs shows: - the email coming into Mailman - Mailman sending to each of the 3 list members - my service provider's SMTP server (64.202.189.86) rejecting the message Looks like you are right, just not my SMTP server rejecting it. Am I reading these right? Apr 13 12:10:05 mtws1 relaylock: /var/qmail/bin/relaylock: mail from [IP PROTECTED]:6416 (mx5.[DOMAIN PROTECTED]) Apr 13 12:10:06 mtws1 qmail: 1176491406.512017 new msg 7808057 Apr 13 12:10:06 mtws1 qmail: 1176491406.512113 info msg 7808057: bytes 88145 from [EMAIL PROTECTED] qp 8993 uid 2020 Apr 13 12:10:06 mtws1 qmail: 1176491406.520469 starting delivery 102: msg 7808057 to local [EMAIL PROTECTED] Apr 13 12:10:06 mtws1 qmail: 1176491406.520524 status: local 1/10 remote 0/20 Apr 13 12:10:06 mtws1 qmail: 1176491406.694746 delivery 102: success: did_0+0+1/ Apr 13 12:10:06 mtws1 qmail: 1176491406.694895 status: local 0/10 remote 0/20 Apr 13 12:10:06 mtws1 qmail: 1176491406.694942 end msg 7808057 Apr 13 12:10:07 mtws1 relaylock: /var/qmail/bin/relaylock: mail from 127.0.0.1:58283 (localhost) Apr 13 12:10:07 mtws1 qmail: 1176491407.760007 new msg 7808057 Apr 13 12:10:07 mtws1 qmail: 1176491407.760087 info msg 7808057: bytes 88547 from [EMAIL PROTECTED] qp 9002 uid 2020 Apr 13 12:10:07 mtws1 qmail: 1176491407.778612 starting delivery 103: msg 7808057 to remote [LIST MEMBER #1] Apr 13 12:10:07 mtws1 qmail: 1176491407.778706 status: local 0/10 remote 1/20 Apr 13 12:10:07 mtws1 qmail: 1176491407.778753 starting delivery 104: msg 7808057 to remote [LIST MEMBER #2] Apr 13 12:10:07 mtws1 qmail: 1176491407.778796 status: local 0/10 remote 2/20 Apr 13 12:10:07 mtws1 qmail: 1176491407.778840 starting delivery 105: msg 7808057 to remote [LIST MEMBER #3] Apr 13 12:10:07 mtws1 qmail: 1176491407.778883 status: local 0/10 remote 3/20 Apr 13 12:10:08 mtws1 qmail: 1176491408.245950 delivery 105: failure: 64.202.189.86_failed_after_I_sent_the_message./Remote_host_said:_554_Message _refused./ Apr 13 12:10:08 mtws1 qmail: 1176491408.246040 status: local 0/10 remote 2/20 Apr 13 12:10:08 mtws1 qmail: 1176491408.287645 delivery 103: failure: 64.202.189.86_failed_after_I_sent_the_message./Remote_host_said:_554_Message _refused./ Apr 13 12:10:08 mtws1 qmail: 1176491408.287696 status: local 0/10 remote 1/20 Apr 13 12:10:08 mtws1 qmail: 1176491408.325981 delivery 104: failure: 64.202.189.86_failed_after_I_sent_the_message./Remote_host_said:_554_Message _refused./ Apr 13 12:10:08 mtws1 qmail: 1176491408.326036 status: local 0/10 remote 0/20 Apr 13 12:10:08 mtws1 qmail: 1176491408.355290 bounce msg 7808057 qp 9006 Apr 13 12:10:08 mtws1 qmail: 1176491408.355361 end msg 7808057 Apr 13 12:10:08 mtws1 qmail: 1176491408.356514 new msg 7808062 Apr 13 12:10:08 mtws1 qmail: 1176491408.356564 info msg 7808062: bytes 89388 from qp 9006 uid 2522 Apr 13 12:10:08 mtws1 qmail: 1176491408.364749 starting delivery 106: msg 7808062 to local [EMAIL PROTECTED] Apr 13 12:10:08 mtws1 qmail: 1176491408.364803 status: local 1/10 remote 0/20 Apr 13 12:10:08 mtws1 qmail: 1176491408.544829 delivery 106: success: did_0+0+1/ Apr 13 12:10:08 mtws1 qmail: 1176491408.544974 status: local 0/10 remote 0/20 Apr 13 12:10:08 mtws1 qmail: 1176491408.545021 end msg 7808062 In Service, Michael Kabot President - SOAR Scouting Online Affordable Reliable [EMAIL PROTECTED] 585-388-0211 www.soarol.com | -Original Message- | From: Paul Tomblin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | Sent: Friday, April 13, 2007 5:49 PM | To: mailman-users@python.org | Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] HTML causing list-wide bounce? | | | The email message causing the issue | -- .html format http://www.soarol.com/tmp/EmailList-HTMLerror-2.html | | First comment - why the hell is he sending javascript in an | email message? That plus the Paypal thing probably screams | scammer to most mail filters. Because it's happening to | everybody, I'm betting it's an outgoing mail filter. | | SMTP Log is fine | - | Apr 13 12:10:07 2007 (2020) | [EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL | PROTECTED] smtp to elmont704p-sthtml for 3 recips, completed in | 0.075 seconds | - | | Where is the smtp log for the incoming bounces? Better yet, | replace the -bounces alias with a real mail address and have | a look at the bounce message. | | | -- | Paul Tomblin [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://blog.xcski.com/ | We must do something. This is something. Therefore we must | do this. | - Military
[Mailman-Users] HTML causing list-wide bounce?
Hi all, I've been using Mailman to run 200+ lists for almost a year now. Love the software, very flexibile. Earlier this week, one of the list owners notified me that one of his lists had mysteriously removed all of its members. After some investigation I found the following: - Whenever an HTML message was sent from the owner's business address - The email was processed by Mailman - Sent to all list members - All list members immediately bounced, the email never reaches the list members - The bounce score threshold causes the list to delete everyone after two days (as it should) - I can repeat the behavior from the owner's email account - If he switches to text email, there is no problem - no other member of the list is having the issue - The bounce messages are not being forwarded to the list admin/owner.. I am at the end of my level of knowledge and could use some help diagnosing/fixing what is going on. Here is my server setup: - Red Hat Fedora Core 4 - Intel Pentium 4 - 3.0 GHz - 2GB Memory - Apache 2.0.54 - Qmail 1.03 - Python 2.4.3 - Mailman 2.1.8 - Preconfigured dedicated server with Plesk 8.1 Here is additional information The email message causing the issue -- .html format http://www.soarol.com/tmp/EmailList-HTMLerror-2.html -- .msg format http://www.soarol.com/tmp/EmailList-HTMLerror-2.msg -- Its not the attachment, I've checked that... The mailing list configuration -- http://www.soarol.com/tmp/mailing-list-config.cfg -- pretty basic -- No filters SMTP Log is fine - Apr 13 12:10:07 2007 (2020) [EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] smtp to elmont704p-sthtml for 3 recips, completed in 0.075 seconds - POST Log is fine Apr 13 12:10:07 2007 (2020) post to elmont704p-sthtml from [EMAIL PROTECTED], size=88340, message-id=[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED], success - BOUNCE Log shows issue - This is a test list I have setup to replicate the problem - The email is not received by any party - The list admin/owner receives no messages about the bounce - Eventually, as expected, the email addresses will be deleted from the list by automatic bounce processing scores Apr 13 12:10:09 2007 (2015) BounceRunner at -1211075860 processing 3 queued bounces Apr 13 12:10:09 2007 (2015) elmont704p-sthtml: [EMAIL PROTECTED], already scored a bounce for date 13-Apr-2007 Apr 13 12:10:09 2007 (2015) elmont704p-sthtml: [EMAIL PROTECTED], already scored a bounce for date 13-Apr-2007 Apr 13 12:10:09 2007 (2015) elmont704p-sthtml: [EMAIL PROTECTED], already scored a bounce for date 13-Apr-2007 - SMTP-FAILURE - no record of an issue First question is this a Mailman or QMail issue? Second question... I am surprised that anything in HTML could trigger this behavior. Your thoughts would be greatly appreciated. In Service, Michael Kabot President - SOAR [EMAIL PROTECTED] 585-388-0211 www.soarol.com -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
