[Mailman-Users] Mailman CGI error!!! Operation not permitted - after upgrading Apache to 2.4
I've updated Apache to 2.4, and my mailman installation refuses to work with the following information: Mailman CGI error!!! The Mailman CGI wrapper encountered a fatal error. This entry is being stored in your syslog: Operation not permitted The only things I see in logs is basically the same as above: Jun 25 11:59:37 web1 Mailman cgi-wrapper (listinfo): Operation not permitted Jun 25 12:01:15 web1 Mailman cgi-wrapper (admin): Operation not permitted I've tried stracing Apache process to see where it might get permission issues, but I don't see anything like it. Does anyone have a clue how to fix it? -- Tomasz Chmielewski http://www.sslrack.com -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman CGI error!!! Operation not permitted - after upgrading Apache to 2.4
On 2014-06-25 16:59, Mark Sapiro wrote: On 06/25/2014 03:09 AM, Tomasz Chmielewski wrote: I've updated Apache to 2.4, and my mailman installation refuses to work with the following information: Mailman CGI error!!! The Mailman CGI wrapper encountered a fatal error. This entry is being stored in your syslog: Operation not permitted What if anything is in the Apache error_log? Absolutely nothing in Apache error_log. I found the cause: It works fine if I use apache2-mpm-prefork, but fails if I use apache2-mpm-itk[1]. ITK lets you choose a user which executes any given vhost and I prefer to run this version. With older Apache version, Mailman was working fine with Apache-ITK. Here, something's missing and doesn't work. I'll try your other suggestions to see if I can get more information. The only things I see in logs is basically the same as above: Jun 25 11:59:37 web1 Mailman cgi-wrapper (listinfo): Operation not permitted Jun 25 12:01:15 web1 Mailman cgi-wrapper (admin): Operation not permitted I've tried stracing Apache process to see where it might get permission issues, but I don't see anything like it. Does anyone have a clue how to fix it? The cgi-wrapper is invoked by the web server. It checks the callers group and then calls scripts/driver which in turn runs the actual Mailman/Cgi/* script. Normally, exceptions encountered by the admin.py, listinfo.py, etc. script are reported by the driver with a full traceback. It seems in this case the driver script encounters the Operation not permitted exception either before or in the process of trying to print a traceback. See the comments at the beginning of scripts/driver. You can manually run as root or a user in Mailman's group export REQUEST_METHOD=GET python /path/to/scripts/driver listinfo and see what that produces. [1] http://mpm-itk.sesse.net/ -- Tomasz Chmielewski http://www.sslrack.com -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman CGI error!!! Operation not permitted - after upgrading Apache to 2.4
On 2014-06-25 20:49, Mark Sapiro wrote: On June 25, 2014 8:32:19 AM PDT, Tomasz Chmielewski man...@wpkg.org wrote: I found the cause: It works fine if I use apache2-mpm-prefork, but fails if I use apache2-mpm-itk[1]. Did you rebuild your mpm-itk module under Apache 2.4 or install an Apache 2.4 version of the module? I'm using deb packages provided with Ubuntu 14.04 LTS. It works fine with all vhosts, except Mailman - not able to figure out why. -- Tomasz Chmielewski http://www.sslrack.com -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] sitemap.xml for Mailman
On 11/25/2012 01:25 AM, Mark Sapiro wrote: Tomasz Chmielewski wrote: I wrote a simple bash script which generates a sitemap.xml file (i.e. to be submitted to Google): http://blog.wpkg.org/2012/11/21/sitemap-xml-for-mailman/ I was inspired by your script to add a -p / --public-archive option to Mailman's bin/list_lists so that if one wanted to process just those lists with public archives, one can put LISTS=`/path/to/mailman/bin/list_lists --bare --public-archive` in the appropriate place to do that. Of course, one could have done LISTS=`ls $MAILMANPATH/../public|grep -v \\.mbox$` to accomplish essentially the same thing, but since list_lists already had a -a / --advertised option, this seemed a good addition. See https://launchpad.net/bugs/1082711 and http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~mailman-coders/mailman/2.1/revision/1369 for a bug report and patch. Also, I think the bash script would make a good addition to the contrib directory for Mailman 2.1.16. May I add it there? Sure, it would be great. -- Tomasz Chmielewski http://blog.wpkg.org -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
[Mailman-Users] sitemap.xml for Mailman
Hi, I wrote a simple bash script which generates a sitemap.xml file (i.e. to be submitted to Google): http://blog.wpkg.org/2012/11/21/sitemap-xml-for-mailman/ My rationale was: why the heck is my archive lacking so many posts in google, and is generally behind all other archives. -- Tomasz Chmielewski -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] sitemap.xml for Mailman
On 11/22/2012 08:36 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote:
Tomasz Chmielewski wrote:
I wrote a simple bash script which generates a sitemap.xml file (i.e. to
be submitted to Google):
http://blog.wpkg.org/2012/11/21/sitemap-xml-for-mailman/
There is an issue with the above script. Namely, the XML generated only
contains data for the last list in $LISTS. This will fix that
+URLS=$URLS
+$(find $MAILMANPATH/$LIST/ -type f -name \*html | xargs ls
--time-style=long-iso -l | awk '{print $6T$7:00+00:00 $8}' | grep
-v attachments)
Indeed - thanks for pointing out!
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Re: [Mailman-Users] sitemap.xml for Mailman
On 11/22/2012 10:16 PM, Ralf Hildebrandt wrote: Indeed - thanks for pointing out! Did you update your patch already? If so, I'd apply it to our very own mailman installation here at python.org :) Yes I did (with a small change). -- Tomasz Chmielewski http://blog.wpkg.org -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Interesting Bug in Mailman version 2.1.12
Mark Sapiro wrote: Tomasz Chmielewski wrote: It exited with Bug in Mailman version 2.1.12. Webserver nor Mailman logs didn't give me a clue. Mailman's 'error' log should have a a complete traceback and other information about the error. Here is a sample log - it doesn't give me any clue about the nature of the problem, though: Nov 09 11:09:55 2009 admin(7664): admin(7664): [- Mailman Version: 2.1.12 -] admin(7664): [- Traceback --] admin(7664): Traceback (most recent call last): admin(7664): File /srv/www/vhosts/wpkg.org/mailman//scripts/driver, line 112, in run_main admin(7664): main() admin(7664): File /srv/www/vhosts/wpkg.org/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/listinfo.py, line 42, in main admin(7664): listinfo_overview() admin(7664): File /srv/www/vhosts/wpkg.org/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/listinfo.py, line 88, in listinfo_overview admin(7664): if mlist.advertised: admin(7664): File /srv/www/vhosts/wpkg.org/mailman//Mailman/MailList.py, line 146, in __getattr__ admin(7664): raise AttributeError, name admin(7664): AttributeError: advertised admin(7664): [- Python Information -] admin(7664): sys.version = 2.6.1 (r261:67515, Aug 22 2009, 12:28:58) [GCC 4.3.2] admin(7664): sys.executable = /usr/bin/python admin(7664): sys.prefix = /usr admin(7664): sys.exec_prefix = /usr admin(7664): sys.path= /usr admin(7664): sys.platform= linux2 admin(7664): [- Environment Variables -] admin(7664):SERVER_SOFTWARE: Apache/2.2.11 (Mandriva Linux/PREFORK-10.6mdv2009.1) admin(7664):SCRIPT_NAME: /mailman/listinfo admin(7664):SERVER_SIGNATURE: addressApache/2.2.11 (Mandriva Linux/PREFORK-10.6mdv2009.1) Server at lists.wpkg.org Port 80/address admin(7664): admin(7664):REQUEST_METHOD: GET admin(7664):HTTP_KEEP_ALIVE: 300 admin(7664):SERVER_PROTOCOL: HTTP/1.1 admin(7664):QUERY_STRING: admin(7664):HTTP_ACCEPT_CHARSET: ISO-8859-1,utf-8;q=0.7,*;q=0.7 admin(7664):HTTP_USER_AGENT: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.1.3) Gecko/20090914 Mandriva Linux/1.9.1.3-2mdv2010.0 (2010.0) Firefox/3.5.3 admin(7664):HTTP_CONNECTION: keep-alive admin(7664):SERVER_NAME: lists.wpkg.org admin(7664):REMOTE_PORT: 52584 admin(7664):SERVER_PORT: 80 admin(7664):SERVER_ADDR: 78.111.66.106 admin(7664):DOCUMENT_ROOT: /srv/www/vhosts/wpkg.org/mailman/cgi-bin admin(7664):PYTHONPATH: /srv/www/vhosts/wpkg.org/mailman
[Mailman-Users] Interesting Bug in Mailman version 2.1.12
Today, I had an interesting bug or a feature in Mailman, which took me some time to fix. I have a Mailman 2.1.12 which was running fine for months on a virtual host. I did some low level kernel experiments, and the virtual guest started to malfunction. So, back to the original state - unfortunately Mailman interface didn't work anymore. It exited with Bug in Mailman version 2.1.12. Webserver nor Mailman logs didn't give me a clue. I browsed Mailman installation files; lists/*/config.pck suspiciously had a date of 1953. Touching these files (find | xargs touch in the lists dir) fixed the problem. Is it a bug or a feature in mailman, that when some files in lists directory are really old, Mailman refuses to work with Bug in Mailman version 2.1.12? -- Tomasz Chmielewski http://wpkg.org -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
[Mailman-Users] Mailman does not deliver messages any more
Recently, Mailman stopped delivering messages to list members, administrators etc. The messages are archived just fine, I can browse them in a web interface, but it looks like Mailman does not want to deliver any message any more. There is nothing interesting in Mailman logs, nothing in mail server logs. The server had a crash recently, but everything else works just fine and I have really no idea what should I look for. Any clues? -- Tomasz Chmielewski http://wpkg.org -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman does not deliver messages any more
Mark Sapiro schrieb: Tomasz Chmielewski wrote: Recently, Mailman stopped delivering messages to list members, administrators etc. The messages are archived just fine, I can browse them in a web interface, but it looks like Mailman does not want to deliver any message any more. There is nothing interesting in Mailman logs, nothing in mail server logs. The server had a crash recently, but everything else works just fine and I have really no idea what should I look for. Is OutgoingRunner running? Are the messages queued in qfiles/out/ ? See http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showfile=faq04.078.htp OutgoingRunner was running, and there were messages in qfiles/out. Other points from that FAQ entry didn't apply much as well. Simply restarting Mailman helped (why didn't I do it in the first place? I guess I'm just not accustomed to restarting), but I'm still not sure of the reason it stopped delivering messages. Thanks for help. -- Tomasz Chmielewski http://wpkg.org -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
[Mailman-Users] adding REL=nofollow in Mailman's archives
As some of the mailing lists I administer experience a steady flow of spam, I was looking for a way to add REL=nofollow attribute to Mailman's messages. As I didn't find a way to do it in Mailman, and I don't know enough of Python, I decided to write a simple Perl script which does it. This is one of my first bites at Perl, so be gentle: http://wpkg.org/REL=%22nofollow%22_and_Mailman For some, REL=nofollow may be controversial, though. -- Tomasz Chmielewski -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
[Mailman-Users] one of my lists sends mails using [EMAIL PROTECTED] address
One of my lists sends mails (subscription, unsubscriptions etc.) using [EMAIL PROTECTED] address, where [EMAIL PROTECTED] is an email address defined in: MAILMAN_SITE_LIST = '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Because of this added -bounces at the end, the mails are of course rejected. Other lists on the same server are not affected. Any ideas what I screwed? -- Tomasz Chmielewski http://wpkg.org -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] one of my lists sends mails using [EMAIL PROTECTED] address
Tomasz Chmielewski schrieb: One of my lists sends mails (subscription, unsubscriptions etc.) using [EMAIL PROTECTED] address, where [EMAIL PROTECTED] is an email address defined in: MAILMAN_SITE_LIST = '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Because of this added -bounces at the end, the mails are of course rejected. Other lists on the same server are not affected. Any ideas what I screwed? Actually, all lists on that server, but one, have -bounces added to the MAILMAN_SITE_LIST address. I've no idea what's wrong. -- Tomasz Chmielewski http://wpkg.org -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] HOWTO - integrating Mailman with a Swish-e searchengine
Mark Sapiro schrieb: Tomasz Chmielewski I just wrote a small HOWTO on integrating Mailman with Swish-e: http://wpkg.org/Integrating_Mailman_with_a_Swish-e_search_engine This looks great. Is it OK if we (or you) update FAQ 1.11 http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showfile=faq01.011.htp to point to your page? I added the required info to the above page. -- Tomasz Chmielewski -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
[Mailman-Users] HOWTO - integrating Mailman with a Swish-e search engine
Hi, I just wrote a small HOWTO on integrating Mailman with Swish-e: http://wpkg.org/Integrating_Mailman_with_a_Swish-e_search_engine Let me know what you think about it. -- Tomasz Chmielewski -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Our Mailing List Disappeared
Pam McKenna schrieb: Our Mailing List, list.nesae.org, has disappeared - Mailman says no such list exists, our sign in info. isn't working. Anyone know what caused this? How do i get it back? Contact nesae.org administrator and ask him if he/she changed anything with virtual host configuration? -- Tomasz Chmielewski http://wpkg.org -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] is it possible to set up mailman on a hostwithout a MTA?
Mark Sapiro schrieb: Incoming mail is harder, but it can be done using something like fetchmail to retrieve mail from a remote server. It can then be delivered to Mailman via someththing like procmail or by using Mailman's Maildir delivery. So, I started to put the things together. As you said, outgoing mail is easy, and incoming mail is harder (but can be done with fetchmail). So, considering no MTA is running on a machine which runs mailman - how do I go through this part: http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/mailman-install/node13.html Putting this into aliases file on a mail server surely wouldn't make any sense: # bin/genaliases To finish creating your mailing list, you must edit your /etc/aliases (or equivalent) file by adding the following lines, and possibly running the `newaliases' program: ## some-list mailing list some-list: |/path/mailman/mail/mailman post some-list some-list-admin:|/path/mailman/mail/mailman admin some-list some-list-bounces: |/path/mailman/mail/mailman bounces some-list some-list-confirm: |/path/mailman/mail/mailman confirm some-list some-list-join: |/path/mailman/mail/mailman join some-list some-list-leave:|/path/mailman/mail/mailman leave some-list some-list-owner:|/path/mailman/mail/mailman owner some-list some-list-request: |/path/mailman/mail/mailman request some-list some-list-subscribe:|/path/mailman/mail/mailman subscribe some-list some-list-unsubscribe: |/path/mailman/mail/mailman unsubscribe some-list Should I just deliver all emails to one mailbox ([EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] etc.), and fetchmail should fetch it to: /path/mailman/archives/private/some-list.mbox/ ? -- Tomasz Chmielewski http://wpkg.org -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] is it possible to set up mailman on a hostwithout a MTA?
Brad Knowles schrieb: On 11/7/07, Tomasz Chmielewski wrote: So, considering no MTA is running on a machine which runs mailman - how do I go through this part: The way fetchmail works, you download e-mail from the remote server and pass it on to the local MTA. Therefore, you have to have a local MTA on the recipient machine. For Mailman, you need something to read those aliases and do the right thing with the messages being processed. No, fetchmail can also work without a local MTA. It can pass fetched emails to a local programs or scripts, like: # cat /tmp/deliver.sh #!/bin/bash cat /tmp/text # fetchmail -u user -m /tmp/deliver.sh mail.server Enter password for [EMAIL PROTECTED]: 1 message for user at mail.server. reading message [EMAIL PROTECTED]:1 of 1 (1631 header octets). (5 body octets) flushed And we have a mail written to /tmp/text. This local MTA doesn't have to be listening to any external ports or anything, but you do need something on that system to fill that role of taking the mail handed to it by fetchmail and then feeding that to the right program with the right command-line options. The easiest way to do that is to run a real MTA on that server. But I don't want or need any MTA here ;) So I guess it's just a matter of simple scripting: fetching correct email using fetchmail, and passing it to mail/mailman program in a correct way. Anyone has it documented? -- Tomasz Chmielewski http://wpkg.org -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
[Mailman-Users] is it possible to set up mailman on a host without a MTA?
Is it possible to set up mailman on a host without a MTA? I imagine mailman could easily send emails through an external MTA, and receive email using externam pop3 or imap account - however, I didn't find many hints about such setup in the fine documentation. Any clues? -- Tomasz Chmielewski http://blog.wpkg.org -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] is it possible to set up mailman on a host without a MTA?
Dennis Putnam schrieb: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 At 06:36 AM 10/20/2007, you wrote: Is it possible to set up mailman on a host without a MTA? I imagine mailman could easily send emails through an external MTA, and receive email using externam pop3 or imap account - however, I didn't find many hints about such setup in the fine documentation. Any clues? I'm not exactly sure what you are asking for but I have a Mandrake system on my DSL connected line without a static IP address. I have a couple of mailing lists running and use 'fetchmail'. I have mail boxes set up with my ISP and run 'fetchmail' via 'cron' to get the incoming messages. My SMTP sever is configured to use my ISPs mail server for the outgoing messages. If this is the kind of thing you are looking for let me know and we can discuss it further. All right, I forgot about fetchmail. Was something non-standard needed to make mailman work with fetchmail/cron? -- Tomasz Chmielewski http://wpkg.org -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] mailman minimal (memory) requirements?
Mark Sapiro wrote:
(...)
To elaborate a bit, as Brad says, you need to have a web server and MTA
running. Other than that, there is no constant, even when idle, memory
usage by Mailman to support the web interface or incoming mail.
Incoming mail causes the MTA to invoke the mail wrapper which receives
the mail and passes it to a python process which stores it it the
appropriate queue and exits. Likewise, a web request causes the web
server to invoke a CGI wrapper which passes the request to a python
process which produces the output page and exits.
The heavy, continuous memory usage is in the queue runners. You may not
need to run NewsRunner at all. You can eliminate it by adding
QRUNNERS.remove(('NewsRunner',1))
to mm_cfg.py. The other 7 runners are required at least occasionally so
you can't just remove them. With a moderate amount of hacking, you
could probably revert to the old method of qrunners being started at
intervals by cron and exiting when they have nothing to do. If you
staggered the schedule, you might be able to achieve a situation where
only one or two runners were ever running at the same time. Also, some
runners like BounceRunner and RetryRunner could be run significantly
less frequently than others.
The downside to this is there is a lot of repeated work in starting the
runners, but if you have sufficient cpu and disk i/o capacity, this
might be a viable way to cut down on memory utilization.
Hmm, so I guess my plan of running mailman on a tiny mipsel-based router
will not succeed :(
Right now, with a mail and web servers it uses about 12 MB RAM, I just
had hope ~20 MB RAM would be far enough for mailman.
But it seems that without a fair amount of hacking, it won't be possible
(or even it won't be possible at all).
Anyone knows some lighter list archivers (if I just want to display
messages from a mailing list via a web interface, sorted by months,
years etc.)?
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http://wpkg.org
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Re: [Mailman-Users] mailman minimal (memory) requirements?
Brad Knowles wrote: Carl Zwanzig wrote: I'm trying to run mailman 2.1.8 on a system with only 32 MB RAM (and ~100 MB swap). So, at an absolute minimum, this machine would require ~236MB swap space and ~56MB of real RAM, plus the OS requirements. Given these numbers, I wouldn't try to run Mailman on a machine with less than 512MB of swap and 128MB of RAM. FWIW, I'm running mailman on an openbsd system w/ 64M ram and 200M swap on an old Compaq P90. Active software includes mailman (2.1.5), apache, postfix, and bind. Not very speedy, but works well enough for 50 member lists. Cool. I'll update the FAQ entry with this info. top tells me: Memory: Real: 23M/47M act/tot Free: 11M Swap: 41M/200M used/tot You can update it with really minimal system: I added some more swap, and mailman started :) So right now, it is: - debian running on a 200 MHz mipsel CPU / 32 MB router (ASUS WL-500G deluxe) - usb stick with 256 MB swap - system on another USB-stick - it runs apache2, postfix, sshd, openvpn, ez-ipupdate, crond, pppd and syslog - it acts as a internet gateway to a couple of PCs I wouldn't say that mailman is speedy there - an average operation in the mailman web interface can take even 10-15-20 seconds. But the thing that was the most important to me: web archive, works fast, and on average, it takes less than a second to serve a page. Provided that it's not a PC, but a router with a size of a book, with filesystem and swap on usb-sticks, I would say it's OK to keep an archive of a small site. -- Tomasz Chmielewski Software deployment with Samba http://wpkg.org -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] mailman minimal (memory) requirements?
Timo Schoeler wrote: (...) You can update it with really minimal system: I added some more swap, and mailman started :) So right now, it is: - debian running on a 200 MHz mipsel CPU / 32 MB router (ASUS WL-500G deluxe) - usb stick with 256 MB swap - system on another USB-stick - it runs apache2, postfix, sshd, openvpn, ez-ipupdate, crond, pppd and syslog - it acts as a internet gateway to a couple of PCs I wouldn't say that mailman is speedy there - an average operation in the mailman web interface can take even 10-15-20 seconds. hm, that might be python causing paging on the machine; however, maybe if you use a httpd with smaller footprint (lighthttpd, thttpd) this avoids paging and makes the machine faster. just speculation, tho... I'd gain a megabyte or two, perhaps I could get rid of postfix and install something smaller, too, but I'm too lazy :) But the thing that was the most important to me: web archive, works fast, and on average, it takes less than a second to serve a page. Provided that it's not a PC, but a router with a size of a book, with filesystem and swap on usb-sticks, I would say it's OK to keep an archive of a small site. MIPS rules ;) I forgot some numbers: # free total used free sharedbuffers cached Mem: 29664 25360 4304 0652 7364 -/+ buffers/cache: 17344 12320 Swap: 255744 33296 222448 -- Tomasz Chmielewski Software deployment with Samba http://wpkg.org -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
[Mailman-Users] mailman minimal (memory) requirements?
I'm trying to run mailman 2.1.8 on a system with only 32 MB RAM (and ~100 MB swap). However, it fails to start - the system swaps very heavily, and then mailman gets killed by the kernel. Without mailman started, the system uses about 12 MB RAM. What are the minimal memory requirements for mailman (~1 post a day)? Is it possible to minimize the memory usage by only running some parts of mailman (i.e., I only want the archive be viewable via the web interface). -- Tomasz Chmielewski http://syneticon.net -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] no posts appear on a new list
Mark Sapiro schrieb: Tomasz Chmielewski wrote: I'm just trying to set up mailman, but I can't make it work. When I send an email to a list, all I can see is this entry in info log of Postfix: Aug 22 23:18:58 mangoo2 postfix/local[12738]: 1BC3EF0021: to=[EMAIL PROTECTED], relay=local, delay=2, status=sent (delivered to command: /opt/mailman/mail/mailman post dupa) and that's it, no Postfix errors nor other entries, no mailman logs, no clue. What should I look for? Are the qrunners running? I.e., did you do mailmanctl start or some equivalent script. It seems that was it, it wasn't running. However, it doesn't start: # bin/mailmanctl start Vermisse die Mailingliste: mailman (which we can translate missing mailing list: mailman) Why it wants a list called mailman if I never created it (and never wanted), but I created other lists instead? -- Tomek -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] no posts appear on a new list
Tomasz Chmielewski schrieb: (...) It seems that was it, it wasn't running. However, it doesn't start: # bin/mailmanctl start Vermisse die Mailingliste: mailman (which we can translate missing mailing list: mailman) Why it wants a list called mailman if I never created it (and never wanted), but I created other lists instead? OK, it seems all I needed to do was: bin/newlist mailman -- Tomek http://wpkg.org -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
[Mailman-Users] no posts appear on a new list
I'm just trying to set up mailman, but I can't make it work. When I send an email to a list, all I can see is this entry in info log of Postfix: Aug 22 23:18:58 mangoo2 postfix/local[12738]: 1BC3EF0021: to=[EMAIL PROTECTED], relay=local, delay=2, status=sent (delivered to command: /opt/mailman/mail/mailman post dupa) and that's it, no Postfix errors nor other entries, no mailman logs, no clue. What should I look for? -- Tomek http://wpkg.org -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
[Mailman-Users] migrating from sourceforge list archive to mailman
I wanted to migrate a list stored on sourceforge.net to mailman kept on my site. It's about 300 messages. It seems that there is no easy way of doing that, and I'll have to open each mail stored on sourceforge.net, copy it's contents, sender, and date, and send it to a new mailman installation (with the appropriate From:, date, and subject/body) - all 300 mails manually. Did anyone already migrate from a list stored on sourceforge.net, and if so, could somebody give me some hints on how to do it best? -- Tomek http://wpkg.org -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
