Re: [Mailman-Users] User unknown error on gentoo

[Alexander]

Thanks. this resolved my problem


On 08/03/2018 15:48, Mark Sapiro wrote:

On 03/07/2018 11:34 PM, Alexander wrote:

On 08/03/2018 13:53, Mark Sapiro wrote:> On 03/07/2018 09:26 PM,

as well as a sample of the content of

/var/lib/mailman/data/virtual-mailman# STANZA START: mailman
# CREATED: Thu Feb 22 22:07:59 2018
mail...@xxx.com  mail...@xxx.com
mailman-ad...@xxx.com    mailman-ad...@xxx.com
mailman-boun...@xxx.com  mailman-boun...@xxx.com
mailman-conf...@xxx.com  mailman-conf...@xxx.com
mailman-j...@xxx.com mailman-j...@xxx.com
mailman-le...@xxx.com    mailman-le...@xxx.com
mailman-ow...@xxx.com    mailman-ow...@xxx.com
mailman-requ...@xxx.com  mailman-requ...@xxx.com
mailman-subscr...@xxx.com    mailman-subscr...@xxx.com
mailman-unsubscr...@xxx.com  mailman-unsubscr...@xxx.com
# STANZA END: mailman

# STANZA START: 704staff
# CREATED: Thu Feb 22 22:07:59 2018
704st...@xxx.com  704st...@xxx.com
704staff-ad...@xxx.com    704staff-ad...@xxx.com
704staff-boun...@xxx.com  704staff-boun...@xxx.com
704staff-conf...@xxx.com  704staff-conf...@xxx.com
704staff-j...@xxx.com 704staff-j...@xxx.com
704staff-le...@xxx.com    704staff-le...@xxx.com.
704staff-ow...@xxx.com    704staff-ow...@xxx.com
704staff-requ...@xxx.com  704staff-requ...@xxx.com
704staff-subscr...@xxx.com    704staff-subscr...@xxx.com
704staff-unsubscr...@xxx.com  704staff-unsubscr...@xxx.com
# STANZA END: 704staff


I think this is the issue. It appears you have set

VIRTUAL_MAILMAN_LOCAL_DOMAIN = 'XXX.com'

in mm_cfg.py. This is wrong. It is usually OK to not set this in
mm_cfg.py and leave it at the default None, but if you have to set it,
you need to set it to something in mydestination such as 'localhost'.
I.e. it MUST be a local domain, not a virtual domain.



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Re: [Mailman-Users] User unknown error on gentoo

[Alexander]

On 08/03/2018 13:53, Mark Sapiro wrote:> On 03/07/2018 09:26 PM, 
Alexander wrote:

>> Without including my domain explicitly under mydestination all virtual
>> accounts work successfully, however mailman reports user unknown
>>
>> Results in mailman list user unknown error
>> mydomain = XXX.com
>> mydestination = $myhostname, localhost.$mydomain, localhost
>>
>> As suggested here
>> (https://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-134833-start-0.html) I added the
>> domain explicitly
>> mydomain = XXX.com
>> mydestination = $myhostname, localhost.$mydomain, localhost, XXX.com
>>
>> Now mailman works, but all virtual users are rejected with unknown user
>>
>> Any suggestion on how to support both vitual users and mailman lists.
>
> Please post the output from 'postconf -n'. Also specific Postfix log
> messages might be helpful.

postconf -n |grep mailman
alias_database = hash:/etc/mail/aliases, hash:/var/lib/mailman/data/aliases
alias_maps = hash:/etc/mail/aliases, hash:/var/lib/mailman/data/aliases
virtual_alias_maps = pgsql:/etc/postfix/pgsql_virtual_alias_maps.cf, 
hash:/var/lib/mailman/data/virtual-mailman


postconf -n |grep virtual
virtual_alias_maps = pgsql:/etc/postfix/pgsql_virtual_alias_maps.cf, 
hash:/var/lib/mailman/data/virtual-mailman

virtual_gid_maps = static:1001
virtual_mailbox_base = /home/vmail
virtual_mailbox_domains = pgsql:/etc/postfix/pgsql_virtual_domains_maps.cf
virtual_mailbox_limit = 5120
virtual_mailbox_maps = pgsql:/etc/postfix/pgsql_virtual_mailbox_maps.cf
virtual_transport = virtual
virtual_uid_maps = static:1001

> as well as a sample of the content of 
/var/lib/mailman/data/virtual-mailman# STANZA START: mailman

# CREATED: Thu Feb 22 22:07:59 2018
mail...@xxx.com  mail...@xxx.com
mailman-ad...@xxx.com    mailman-ad...@xxx.com
mailman-boun...@xxx.com  mailman-boun...@xxx.com
mailman-conf...@xxx.com  mailman-conf...@xxx.com
mailman-j...@xxx.com mailman-j...@xxx.com
mailman-le...@xxx.com    mailman-le...@xxx.com
mailman-ow...@xxx.com    mailman-ow...@xxx.com
mailman-requ...@xxx.com  mailman-requ...@xxx.com
mailman-subscr...@xxx.com    mailman-subscr...@xxx.com
mailman-unsubscr...@xxx.com  mailman-unsubscr...@xxx.com
# STANZA END: mailman

# STANZA START: 704staff
# CREATED: Thu Feb 22 22:07:59 2018
704st...@xxx.com  704st...@xxx.com
704staff-ad...@xxx.com    704staff-ad...@xxx.com
704staff-boun...@xxx.com  704staff-boun...@xxx.com
704staff-conf...@xxx.com  704staff-conf...@xxx.com
704staff-j...@xxx.com 704staff-j...@xxx.com
704staff-le...@xxx.com    704staff-le...@xxx.com
704staff-ow...@xxx.com    704staff-ow...@xxx.com
704staff-requ...@xxx.com  704staff-requ...@xxx.com
704staff-subscr...@xxx.com    704staff-subscr...@xxx.com
704staff-unsubscr...@xxx.com  704staff-unsubscr...@xxx.com
# STANZA END: 704staff

>
> If XXX.com is a virtual_alias_domain or a virtual_mailbox_domain, it 
shouldn't be in my_destination.XXX.com is used for both local system 
accounts as well as virtual accounts.


virtual_mailbox_domains contains XXX.com.

> If you have XXX.com in virtual_alias_domains and your list addresses are
> mapped from lisn...@xxx.com to listname in virtual-mailman, it should
> work. What is the Postfix error message in this case?

The bounce back reports:
<704st...@xxx.com>: unknown user: "704st...@xxx.com"

And the log reports:
postfix/virtual[16361]: 45CCE460281: to=<704st...@xxx.com>, 
relay=virtual, delay=0.16, delays=0.09/0.01/0/0.07, dsn=5.1.1, 
status=bounced (unknown user: "704st...@xxx.com")






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[Mailman-Users] User unknown error on gentoo

[Alexander]

Without including my domain explicitly under mydestination all virtual 
accounts work successfully, however mailman reports user unknown


Results in mailman list user unknown error
mydomain = XXX.com
mydestination = $myhostname, localhost.$mydomain, localhost

As suggested here 
(https://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-134833-start-0.html) I added the 
domain explicitly

mydomain = XXX.com
mydestination = $myhostname, localhost.$mydomain, localhost, XXX.com

Now mailman works, but all virtual users are rejected with unknown user

Any suggestion on how to support both vitual users and mailman lists.

So far I have included the following settings and verified the content 
of hte alias databases is correct:


alias_database = hash:/etc/mail/aliases, hash:/var/lib/mailman/data/aliases
alias_maps = hash:/etc/mail/aliases, hash:/var/lib/mailman/data/aliases
virtual_alias_maps = pgsql:/etc/postfix/pgsql_virtual_alias_maps.cf, 
hash:/var/lib/mailman/data/virtual-mailman


Thanks in advance

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Debugging user unknown

[Alexander]

I found the problem : 
https://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-134833-start-0.html


This fixed my issue


On 22/02/2018 21:00, Alexander wrote:

Hi Mark,

Thanks for your reply.

After adding

virtual_alias_domains = pgsql:/etc/postfix/pgsql_virtual_domains_maps.cf

I received the following bouce back :

User unknown in virtual alias table

and the following warning in the log file :

warning: do not list domain XXX.com in BOTH virtual_alias_domains and 
virtual_mailbox_domains


Virtual mailboxes are working, just not the forwarding to mailman. 
Here is the output for postconf -n


alias_database = hash:/etc/mail/aliases, 
hash:/var/lib/mailman/data/aliases

alias_maps = hash:/etc/mail/aliases, hash:/var/lib/mailman/data/aliases
biff = no
broken_sasl_auth_clients = yes
command_directory = /usr/sbin
compatibility_level = 2
content_filter = smtp-amavis:[localhost]:10024
daemon_directory = /usr/libexec/postfix
data_directory = /var/lib/postfix
debug_peer_level = 2
debugger_command = PATH=/bin:/usr/bin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/X11R6/bin 
ddd $daemon_directory/$process_name $process_id & sleep 5

default_destination_concurrency_limit = 20
header_checks = regexp:/etc/postfix/header_checks
header_size_limit = 26214400
home_mailbox = .maildir/
html_directory = no
inet_protocols = ipv4
local_destination_concurrency_limit = 5
mail_owner = postfix
mailq_path = /usr/bin/mailq
manpage_directory = /usr/share/man
message_size_limit = 26214400
meta_directory = /etc/postfix
mydestination = $myhostname, localhost.$mydomain, localhost
mydomain = XXX.com
myhostname = XXX.XXX.com
mynetworks = 192.168.0.0/24, 127.0.0.0/8
myorigin = $mydomain
newaliases_path = /usr/bin/newaliases
owner_request_special = no
permissive = permit
queue_directory = /var/spool/postfix
readme_directory = no
recipient_delimiter = +
restrictive = check_sender_access hash:/etc/postfix/restrictions
sample_directory = /etc/postfix
sendmail_path = /usr/sbin/sendmail
setgid_group = postdrop
shlib_directory = /usr/lib64/postfix/${mail_version}
smtp_host_lookup = dns,native
smtp_tls_loglevel = 1
smtp_tls_mandatory_protocols = !SSLv2, !SSLv3
smtp_tls_note_starttls_offer = yes
smtp_tls_security_level = may
smtp_tls_session_cache_database = btree:/var/lib/postfix/smtp_scache
smtpd_helo_required = yes
smtpd_recipient_restrictions = check_recipient_access 
hash:/etc/postfix/recipient_blacklist, permit_mynetworks, 
permit_sasl_authenticated, reject_unauth_destination

smtpd_restriction_classes = restrictive, permissive
smtpd_sasl_auth_enable = yes
smtpd_sasl_authenticated_header = yes
smtpd_sasl_path = smtpd
smtpd_sasl_security_options = noanonymous
smtpd_tls_CAfile = /etc/ssl/SSL_ROOT/External/chain.pem
smtpd_tls_auth_only = yes
smtpd_tls_cert_file = /etc/ssl/SSL_ROOT/Cert_www.XXX.com/certificate.pem
smtpd_tls_exclude_ciphers = aNULL, MD5 , DES, ADH, RC4, PSD, SRP, 
3DES, eNULL

smtpd_tls_key_file = /etc/ssl/SSL_ROOT/Cert_www.XXX.com/private_key.pem
smtpd_tls_loglevel = 3
smtpd_tls_mandatory_ciphers = high
smtpd_tls_mandatory_exclude_ciphers = aNULL, MD5 , DES, ADH, RC4, PSD, 
SRP, 3DES, eNULL

smtpd_tls_mandatory_protocols = !SSLv2, !SSLv3
smtpd_tls_received_header = yes
smtpd_tls_session_cache_timeout = 3600s
smtpd_use_tls = yes
tls_preempt_cipherlist = yes
tls_random_source = dev:/dev/urandom
unknown_local_recipient_reject_code = 550
virtual_alias_maps = hash:/var/lib/mailman/data/virtual-mailman, 
pgsql:/etc/postfix/pgsql_virtual_alias_maps.cf

virtual_gid_maps = static:1001
virtual_mailbox_base = /home/vmail
virtual_mailbox_domains = 
pgsql:/etc/postfix/pgsql_virtual_domains_maps.cf

virtual_mailbox_limit = 5120
virtual_mailbox_maps = pgsql:/etc/postfix/pgsql_virtual_mailbox_maps.cf
virtual_transport = virtual
virtual_uid_maps = static:1001


On 18/02/2018 02:35, Mark Sapiro wrote:

On 02/17/2018 06:09 AM, Alexander wrote:

I am trying to setup mailman on my linux server running postfix and
virtual host integration. So far I have updated main.cf to include:

alias_database = hash:/etc/mail/aliases, 
hash:/var/lib/mailman/data/aliases

It isn't necessary to include hash:/var/lib/mailman/data/aliases in
alias_database. It only says that /var/lib/mailman/data/aliases.db will
be updated if you issue a "newaliases" or "sendmail -bi" command which
isn't needed as Mailman issues the appropriate "postalias" command
whenever it updates /var/lib/mailman/data/aliases.



alias_maps = hash:/etc/mail/aliases, hash:/var/lib/mailman/data/aliases

Good.



virtual_alias_maps = hash:/var/lib/mailman/data/virtual-mailman,
pgsql:/etc/postfix/pgsql_virtual_alias_maps.cf,
hash:/var/lib/mailman/data/virtual-mailman


You have hash:/var/lib/mailman/data/virtual-mailman listed twice.

Do you have "XXX.com" in virtual_alias_domains? You probably need this
unless "XXX.com" is in virtual_mailbox_domains.



Ran genaliases to create /var/lib/mailman/data/aliases and
/var/lib/mailman/data/virtual-mailman which seem to contain the correc

Re: [Mailman-Users] Debugging user unknown

[Alexander]

Hi Mark,

Thanks for your reply.

After adding

virtual_alias_domains = pgsql:/etc/postfix/pgsql_virtual_domains_maps.cf

I received the following bouce back :

User unknown in virtual alias table

and the following warning in the log file :

warning: do not list domain XXX.com in BOTH virtual_alias_domains and 
virtual_mailbox_domains


Virtual mailboxes are working, just not the forwarding to mailman. Here 
is the output for postconf -n


alias_database = hash:/etc/mail/aliases, hash:/var/lib/mailman/data/aliases
alias_maps = hash:/etc/mail/aliases, hash:/var/lib/mailman/data/aliases
biff = no
broken_sasl_auth_clients = yes
command_directory = /usr/sbin
compatibility_level = 2
content_filter = smtp-amavis:[localhost]:10024
daemon_directory = /usr/libexec/postfix
data_directory = /var/lib/postfix
debug_peer_level = 2
debugger_command = PATH=/bin:/usr/bin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/X11R6/bin ddd 
$daemon_directory/$process_name $process_id & sleep 5

default_destination_concurrency_limit = 20
header_checks = regexp:/etc/postfix/header_checks
header_size_limit = 26214400
home_mailbox = .maildir/
html_directory = no
inet_protocols = ipv4
local_destination_concurrency_limit = 5
mail_owner = postfix
mailq_path = /usr/bin/mailq
manpage_directory = /usr/share/man
message_size_limit = 26214400
meta_directory = /etc/postfix
mydestination = $myhostname, localhost.$mydomain, localhost
mydomain = XXX.com
myhostname = XXX.XXX.com
mynetworks = 192.168.0.0/24, 127.0.0.0/8
myorigin = $mydomain
newaliases_path = /usr/bin/newaliases
owner_request_special = no
permissive = permit
queue_directory = /var/spool/postfix
readme_directory = no
recipient_delimiter = +
restrictive = check_sender_access hash:/etc/postfix/restrictions
sample_directory = /etc/postfix
sendmail_path = /usr/sbin/sendmail
setgid_group = postdrop
shlib_directory = /usr/lib64/postfix/${mail_version}
smtp_host_lookup = dns,native
smtp_tls_loglevel = 1
smtp_tls_mandatory_protocols = !SSLv2, !SSLv3
smtp_tls_note_starttls_offer = yes
smtp_tls_security_level = may
smtp_tls_session_cache_database = btree:/var/lib/postfix/smtp_scache
smtpd_helo_required = yes
smtpd_recipient_restrictions = check_recipient_access 
hash:/etc/postfix/recipient_blacklist, permit_mynetworks, 
permit_sasl_authenticated, reject_unauth_destination

smtpd_restriction_classes = restrictive, permissive
smtpd_sasl_auth_enable = yes
smtpd_sasl_authenticated_header = yes
smtpd_sasl_path = smtpd
smtpd_sasl_security_options = noanonymous
smtpd_tls_CAfile = /etc/ssl/SSL_ROOT/External/chain.pem
smtpd_tls_auth_only = yes
smtpd_tls_cert_file = /etc/ssl/SSL_ROOT/Cert_www.XXX.com/certificate.pem
smtpd_tls_exclude_ciphers = aNULL, MD5 , DES, ADH, RC4, PSD, SRP, 3DES, 
eNULL

smtpd_tls_key_file = /etc/ssl/SSL_ROOT/Cert_www.XXX.com/private_key.pem
smtpd_tls_loglevel = 3
smtpd_tls_mandatory_ciphers = high
smtpd_tls_mandatory_exclude_ciphers = aNULL, MD5 , DES, ADH, RC4, PSD, 
SRP, 3DES, eNULL

smtpd_tls_mandatory_protocols = !SSLv2, !SSLv3
smtpd_tls_received_header = yes
smtpd_tls_session_cache_timeout = 3600s
smtpd_use_tls = yes
tls_preempt_cipherlist = yes
tls_random_source = dev:/dev/urandom
unknown_local_recipient_reject_code = 550
virtual_alias_maps = hash:/var/lib/mailman/data/virtual-mailman, 
pgsql:/etc/postfix/pgsql_virtual_alias_maps.cf

virtual_gid_maps = static:1001
virtual_mailbox_base = /home/vmail
virtual_mailbox_domains = pgsql:/etc/postfix/pgsql_virtual_domains_maps.cf
virtual_mailbox_limit = 5120
virtual_mailbox_maps = pgsql:/etc/postfix/pgsql_virtual_mailbox_maps.cf
virtual_transport = virtual
virtual_uid_maps = static:1001


On 18/02/2018 02:35, Mark Sapiro wrote:

On 02/17/2018 06:09 AM, Alexander wrote:

I am trying to setup mailman on my linux server running postfix and
virtual host integration. So far I have updated main.cf to include:

alias_database = hash:/etc/mail/aliases, hash:/var/lib/mailman/data/aliases

It isn't necessary to include hash:/var/lib/mailman/data/aliases in
alias_database. It only says that /var/lib/mailman/data/aliases.db will
be updated if you issue a "newaliases" or "sendmail -bi" command which
isn't needed as Mailman issues the appropriate "postalias" command
whenever it updates /var/lib/mailman/data/aliases.



alias_maps = hash:/etc/mail/aliases, hash:/var/lib/mailman/data/aliases

Good.



virtual_alias_maps = hash:/var/lib/mailman/data/virtual-mailman,
pgsql:/etc/postfix/pgsql_virtual_alias_maps.cf,
hash:/var/lib/mailman/data/virtual-mailman


You have hash:/var/lib/mailman/data/virtual-mailman listed twice.

Do you have "XXX.com" in virtual_alias_domains? You probably need this
unless "XXX.com" is in virtual_mailbox_domains.



Ran genaliases to create /var/lib/mailman/data/aliases and
/var/lib/mailman/data/virtual-mailman which seem to contain the correct
settings

However emails to mailmain@domain and list-staff@domain are bounced with
unknown user:

Feb 17 22:01:32 tinyturtle postfix/virtual[1

[Mailman-Users] Debugging user unknown

[Alexander]

G'day all,

I am trying to setup mailman on my linux server running postfix and 
virtual host integration. So far I have updated main.cf to include:


alias_database = hash:/etc/mail/aliases, hash:/var/lib/mailman/data/aliases
alias_maps = hash:/etc/mail/aliases, hash:/var/lib/mailman/data/aliases
virtual_alias_maps = hash:/var/lib/mailman/data/virtual-mailman, 
pgsql:/etc/postfix/pgsql_virtual_alias_maps.cf, 
hash:/var/lib/mailman/data/virtual-mailman


Ran genaliases to create /var/lib/mailman/data/aliases and 
/var/lib/mailman/data/virtual-mailman which seem to contain the correct 
settings


However emails to mailmain@domain and list-staff@domain are bounced with 
unknown user:


Feb 17 22:01:32 tinyturtle postfix/virtual[1404]: 5F4DE460402: 
to=, relay=virtual, delay=0.12, delays=0.04/0/0/0.09, 
dsn=5.1.1, status=bounced (unknown user: "mail...@xxx.com")
Feb 17 22:06:18 tinyturtle postfix/virtual[1731]: 3D12D460402: 
to=, relay=virtual, delay=0.08, 
delays=0.03/0.01/0/0.04, dsn=5.1.1, status=bounced (unknown user: 
"list-st...@xxx.com")


Since postfix/virtual is doing the bouncing I am suspected that the 
mapping (virtual-mailman) was picked up, and that i cannot find the 
mapping in aliases, but I could be wrong here.


I have also run newaliases to ensure the local aliases are updated, but 
this did not resolve this issue.


Any pointers on what else to do, to help me debug my configuration.

Kind regards
Alex
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Fwd: Warming IP Addresses -- Gradually Increasing Email Volume

[Alexander Neilson]

Hi Craig

> 
>> On Wed, Feb 22, 2017 at 7:23 AM, Keith Seyffarth  wrote:
>> 
>> Greg Sims  writes:
>> 
>>> Thanks for your feedback Carl.  Here is some additional information about
>>> our environment.  We have a single server in a commercial data center
>>> (Softlayer).  "Communicating" to the ISPs is a challenge.  No reply to
>>> email and no way to discuss something like this on the telephone.  The
>> only
>>> answer is to construct a strategy that does not raise a "red flag".

Are you already using DMARC / DKIM to sign all messages? One of the mailop 
people from a big mail provider mentioned that if you have this configured and 
it has a reputation then provided you retain the same key and the other details 
the same the reputation you have will be tracked and follow that along. 

This obviously requires this configuration to be setup however if you have some 
time left before you decommission then you could get this in place to attract 
your existing reputation to the key and help (nothing is perfect but all of 
this is a numbers game)

While I haven't seen this talked about specifically on top of the above (in a 
belt and suspenders kind of way) keeping the same forward / reverse / EHLO name 
for your new server as the old (provided the old has these configured to your 
domain) this could provide another signal that this is the same system doing 
the same job just moved to a new IP Address. 

Nothing here will be perfect and if you have the time warming up the new IP 
(perhaps setting up the new server's MTA possibly needing different name in 
this scenario) and asking your existing server to pass off a small percentage 
of your email to that machine as an outbound relay and increase the number 
until close to all via the new server then complete the migration. 

I don't have a guide on the above myself as I haven't had to do this. But from 
all the advice I have seen on lists about this topic they seem to be ideas that 
will aid deliver ability. 
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Re: [Mailman-Users] listname@lists.domain does not work, listname@domain does

[Alexander Neilson]

Hi paw

It looks like maybe incorrect DNS. 

studentergaarden.dk MX record points at mail.

However lists. MX record points to Loki.

I think the mail is being tried against Loki. Try changing that MX record to 
point to mail. And see if this helps. 

Regards
Alexander

> On 11/11/2015, at 7:16 PM, Paw <paw...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi Mailman community,
> 
> I am using postfix with dovecot on a Debian server. I followed <
> http://wiki.list.org/x/ZoCj> for setting up mailman, but something is wrong
> with my postfix configuration.
> 
> I can create new lists on http://lists.mydomain and when subscribing I get
> the subscription notification from mailman. But for sending to the list, I
> have to use listname@domain instead of listname@lists.domain. Mails sent to
> listname@lists.domain just seems to get lost(don't bounce or end up in
> /var/log/mail.log)
> I am sorry so disturb with such a question, but I am really stuck.
> 
> This is the full log when sending a mail to test@mydomain. The mail is
> being delivered to local user tester's inbox.
> Nov 11 06:41:59 loki postfix/smtpd[4543]: connect from
> mail-lf0-f49.google.com[209.85.215.49]
> Nov 11 06:41:59 loki postfix/smtpd[4543]: 7F4E724C09B: client=
> mail-lf0-f49.google.com[209.85.215.49]
> Nov 11 06:41:59 loki postfix/cleanup[4914]: 7F4E724C09B:
> message-id=

Re: [Mailman-Users] Best way to clean old messages

[alexander]

I have searched the archives on the mailman-*@python.org
lists and while I find several posts from you,


Maybe I've sent using another email account: alexan...@edem.g12.br

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Best way to clean old messages

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What would be the best way to completely clean/remove old messages?

I don't understand your question.


Ok, trying again:

A person have sent a message, for example, message x to the mailing  
list list x.


And I don`t know why (it could be a system error or I don`t know what)  
the same message was sent again 2 months after to the same list.


Explaining better: some time ago I`ve post a message here saying that  
after forcing qrunner to run ignoring the lock file (using the  `-s`  
flag if I remember well) Mailman resent all the messages that was  
already sent.


It was an awful sittuation for me because people received very old  
messages about current subjects.


I`ve learned the lesson and never did that again.

But some weeks ago one message (an old message) was resent. It was  
only one and I`m not sure what the reason.


In fact now I don`t want to know the reason, since the server isn`t  
administrated by me or anybody else in my company, I only want a  
script to completely avoid that kind of sittuation.


I hope it`s easier to understand now...

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[Mailman-Users] Best way to clean old messages

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Hi.

What would be the best way to completely clean/remove old messages?

I mean, in that way it would be absolutely impossible to resend any  
message already sent?


I have to create an bash script to do that.

Some days ago an ancient message was resent erroneously by a person  
who could do that again, and our policy don't permit this kind of  
mistake.


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[Mailman-Users] Ancient messages

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Hi.

Excuse my English.

I'm in a crisis here.

Something went wrong and Mailman stoped working.

So, I've run 'mailmanctl -s start' because after the first try Mailman said 
that there was a lock.

And Mailman starts sending again ALL the messages that was sent until today. I 
mean, every message!!

I don't know how to fix that.

I've cleaned/removed all files in qfiles directory, restarted Postfix, 
restarted Mailman, killed all mailman process and start again.

After some seconds a huge amount of ancient messages floods my server again.

How can I clear EVERYTHING that is stored in Mailman?

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Is there any log mark between Mailman and Postfix?

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Mailman's 'post' log contains entries with message-id=...
The postfix log should contain one or more (depending on how Mailman
delivered to Postfix) entries like
postfix/cleanup[p]: QQQ: message-id=...
with the same message-id where p is the PID of the cleanup process
and QQQ is the Postfix queue id associated with that delivery.
Other Postfix log messages with the same Postfix queue id will tell you
what was done with that message.


Hi.

It's almost done, but I've found that there's more than one  
anouncement with the same message_id in Mailman 'post' log file.


Is that normal? What exactly happened? Is that means that the sender  
put all the address in To: email field and Mailman recognized that  
as a just one 'message'?


I've put a 'post' sample attached in this message.

Despite that, I have all I need. After finish the software I'm going  
to put in some place to download, maybe other people wants this kind  
of extremely simple way to know about the announcements...


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[Mailman-Users] Is there any log mark between Mailman and Postfix?

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Hi.

I'm looking forward an way to show to my nonspecialist co-worker what  
happened with his announce messages.


So, is there any way to identify a relation between an specific  
Mailman announcement and Postfix log records?


In other words, I would like to get the lines from 'post' Mailman  
logfile, list each one as a link and list from those links the list of  
emails address and tries deferred, sent, etc, related from that  
announcement.


The problem is: a line 'deferred' for a email address in Postfix log  
file doesn't (or I don't know) tell if it is from an specific Mailman  
announcement try.


In fact, if I can tell if the message was sent, it would be enough.

But, again, if I have the same email address in 10 Mailman lists and I  
get 5 'sent' Postfix log messages, I can't know what announcement was  
an success for that address.


Any help? Any idea?

I've tried to use the message size... but seems that Postfix and  
Mailman read size message in a different way... it would be enough  
because I could filter maillog looking for message size equals to  
'post' Mailman log file and catch the sent status from each address.


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Re: [Mailman-Users] How to know what announce was sent?

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Mailman's 'post' log contains an entry like


Ok, I'm gonna check it, but all my mailman logs are empty... even now  
when I've made a test only to see the logs...


Maybe I misconfigured something... but what?

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Re: [Mailman-Users] How to know what announce was sent?

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alexan...@nautae.eti.brweote:

I'm looking forward an way to know what lists was used in a specific day.


Sorry, never mind, I was looking in the wrong path, sorry.

Mailman logs is fine to what I need.

Thank you!

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[Mailman-Users] How to know what announce was sent?

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Hi.

I'm looking forward an way to know what lists was used in a specific day.

For example, how to know if any message was sent to  
myl...@contact.example.com ?


My lists are announces list only.

I have to write a software to identify if a announce was sent, and  
check the Postfix log informations (errors and accepted) with the  
members list from Mailman, and, of course, generate a report to list  
members that hasn't received the announce because an error and members  
that are ok.


No problem with Postfix log files, but I don't know how to verify the  
moment that an announce was sent, how many times in a day, which one,  
etc.


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[Mailman-Users] How to avoid authorization request?

[alexander]

Hi.

Every message that I sent using my mailman requires my approval (I  
have to go in Tend to pending moderator requests).


So, is there any way to avoid that?

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Server skips Mailman - SOLVED

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I'm using postfix-to-mailman script.

rant_warning
postfix_to_mailman.py is user contributed software which is
'officially' not supported by the GNU Mailman project. Why are you
using it?


Ok, I've changed the approach. I've removed all postfix_to_mailman.py  
stuff, configured the 'normal' way of doing virtual domains with  
Postfix+Mailman and everything is working now.


Thank you very much for your attention!

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[Mailman-Users] Server skips Mailman

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Hi.

I have an weird error here.

If I send a message to a list using an email account that resides at  
same email server than Mailman, everything works fine.


But if I send a message to a list using a email account from other  
server/domain, I receive an error Recipient address rejected: User  
unknown in virtual mailbox table.


For example:

1. I have the list.domain.com hosted at machine/server A
2. I have the domain+account alexan...@blah.com hosted at same  
machine/server A

3. I send a message to peo...@list.domain.com using alexan...@blah.com. OK
4. I send a message to peo...@list.domain.com using ot...@other.com. ERROR
5. the account ot...@other.com is ok in Mailman (it's not moderated, etc)

So, seems that if I use alexan...@blah.com the request goes by  
Mailman, and if not, the request ignores Mailman completely and treat  
peo...@list.domain.com as an ordinary email address.


And, so, seems to be a postfix configuration problem... but... it's  
hard to me to figure out where is the problem.


Could someone help me?

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[Mailman-Users] Server skips Mailman - more

[alexander]

Hi again.

Just to give more information:

I'm using postfix-to-mailman script.

And I have my domain in 'add_virtualhost' variable (in the mm_cfg.py file).

I've noticed now that there is a 'virtual-mailman' file at  
/etc/mailman, but I think it's useless because I'm using  
postfix-to-mailman.


If not, should I fill that file with my lists address?

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[Mailman-Users] Server skips Mailman - more II

[alexander]

Hi again.

I'm not sure if it makes any difference, but... mailman should resolve  
a subdomain.


I have a contact.enterprise.com subdomain.

And I don't have any list.contact.enterprise.com.

I mean, Mailman should resolve directly the contact.enterprise.com

I have a MX record in enterprise.com DNS server pointing to  
contact.enterprise.com.


And 'contact' machine is where the postfix/mailman is installed.

I still stuck on User unknown in virtual mailbox table.

And I can't imagine why this error doesn't happen when I'm using an  
account (even from another domain) hosted at the same  
server/machine/postfix.


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Re: [Mailman-Users] Server skips Mailman - more II

[alexander]

Mailman is not a DNS server. It doesn't 'resolve' domains.


Yes, I know.



I have a MX record in enterprise.com DNS server pointing to
contact.enterprise.com.

Not that I can see?


My God!

Sorry, I haven't said that the domain 'contact.enterprise.com' is only  
an example in this message.


The real stuff is contato.edem.g12.br

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Server skips Mailman - more II

[alexander]

Had you used one of the RFC 2606 recommended domains such as
example.com or .invalid, I would have known they were examples only.


Ok, ok, lesson learned.

Whata shame...

Sorry!

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[Mailman-Users] How old is the Mailman project?

[alexander]

Hi.

How old is the Mailman project?

Is there any historical information? Where?

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[Mailman-Users] How can I fix a normal answer?

[alexander]

Hi everyone.

Excuse my English.

I have finished the installation of a Mailman 2.1.12.

I did all the configurations and when I send a email to a list, the  
Postfix tell me that everything was right, but... nothing happens.


Here's my maillog:

## BEGIN
Apr 27 14:36:04 ip-72-167-96-162 imap[26018]: accepted connection
Apr 27 14:36:04 ip-72-167-96-162 imap[26018]: login:  
ip-72-167-96-162.ip.secureserver.net [127.0.0.1]  
alexan...@nautae.eti.br PLAIN User logged in
Apr 27 14:36:04 ip-72-167-96-162 postfix/pickup[1772]: A362CC233CE:  
uid=48 from=alexan...@nautae.eti.br
Apr 27 14:36:04 ip-72-167-96-162 postfix/cleanup[13518]: A362CC233CE:  
message-id=20090427153604.18274lqjyfr1r...@www.nautae.eti.br
Apr 27 14:36:04 ip-72-167-96-162 postfix/qmgr[1767]: A362CC233CE:  
from=alexan...@nautae.eti.br, size=822, nrcpt=1 (queue active)
Apr 27 14:36:04 ip-72-167-96-162 imap[26018]: seen_db: user  
alexan...@nautae.eti.br opened  
/var/lib/imap/domain/n/nautae.eti.br/user/a/alexander.seen
Apr 27 14:36:05 ip-72-167-96-162 postfix/pipe[13520]: A362CC233CE:  
to=tes...@listas.sitemaldito.com.br, relay=mailman, delay=0.67,  
delays=0.02/0.07/0/0.57, dsn=2.0.0, status=sent (delivered via mailman  
service)

Apr 27 14:36:05 ip-72-167-96-162 postfix/qmgr[1767]: A362CC233CE: removed
## END

So... could you see the (delivered via mailman service)?

And no errors after...

What's happens here?

I'm using postfix-to-mailman.py script.

I've put MTA=None inside the mm_cfg.py.

How can I log more information to try to fix the complete silence of  
my system?


Here is more information:

main.cf

virtual_mailbox_domains = hash:${config_directory}/virtual_domains
virtual_alias_maps = hash:${config_directory}/virtual_alias
virtual_mailbox_maps = ${virtual_alias_maps}
sender_canonical_maps = hash:${config_directory}/sender_canonical
smtpd_sasl_auth_enable = yes
...
smtpd_sasl_security_options = noanonymous
broken_sasl_auth_clients = yes
smtp_sasl_password_maps = hash:/etc/postfix/saslpass
...
mailbox_transport = lmtp:unix:/var/lib/imap/socket/lmtp
virtual_transport = lmtp:unix:/var/lib/imap/socket/lmtp
recipient_delimiter = +
owner_request_special = no
relay_domains = listas.sitemaldito.com.br
transport_maps = hash:/etc/postfix/transport
relayhost = k2smtpout.secureserver.net
myhostname = ip-72-167-96-162.ip.secureserver.net
mailman_destination_recipient_limit = 1


master.cf:

mailman unix  -   n   n   -   -   pipe
  flags=FR user=mailman
  argv=/usr/local/mailman/bin/postfix-to-mailman.py ${nexthop} ${mailbox}


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[Mailman-Users] How can I fix a normal answer? - More

[alexander]

Hi.

I've forgotten to say:

Yes, I've put the line in /etc/transport and have run postmap:

listas.sitemaldito.com.br   mailman:

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman digest archiving and lurker

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Am Mittwoch 11 März 2009 16:05:41 schrieb Mark Sapiro:
 Alexander Gran wrote:
 That results in a 404, as lurker has a different mean of providing the
 attachments. Any idea how to still use the mailman archiver for that.

 You could put a redirect in your web server to redirect
 https://hostname/lurker/list/news.html/attachments/ to
 https://hostname/pipermail/list/attachments/ or whatever the correct

The thing is, that there are no attachments in the mailman folder any more:
mail:/var/lib/mailman/archives/news/attachments# l 2009*
ls: 2009*: No such file or directory
Therefore a redirect won't work.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman digest archiving and lurker

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Am Donnerstag 12 März 2009 01:43:52 schrieb Mark Sapiro:
 What if anything have you set in mm_cfg.py for PUBLIC_ARCHIVE_FILE_DIR
 and PRIVATE_ARCHIVE_FILE_DIR. That's where Scrubber will try to store
 the attachments. It either succeeds or it encounters an error which
 would be reported in Mailman's error log and would probably prevent
 the digest from being sent so presumably, Scrubber is succeeding.

These are not set:
mail:/etc/mailman# /usr/sbin/config_list -o - news | grep FILE_DIR
mail:/etc/mailman#

No errors in mailman log.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman digest archiving and lurker

[Alexander Gran]

Am Donnerstag 12 März 2009 16:38:27 schrieb Mark Sapiro:
 Try /var/lib/mailman/archives/private/news/attachments



Ok, that works with a symlink. It's a kludge, but thanks :)



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[Mailman-Users] Mailman digest archiving and lurker

[Alexander Gran]

Hi,

I'm using lurker to make the web archive for a mailman mailing list.
However mailman now uses wrong links in plain-text-digest for attachments,
e.g.:
https://hostname/lurker/list/news.html/attachments/20090304/be6930bd/attachment.png
 

That results in a 404, as lurker has a different mean of providing the 
attachments. Any idea how to still use the mailman archiver for that.

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[Mailman-Users] How to use regular_exclude_lists?

[AlexanDER Franca]

Hi everyone.

Sorry for the stupid question, but... how can I use the regular_exclude_lists 
option?

I'm looking for this option in the Mailman documentation... but it seems 
impossible to find.

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[Mailman-Users] How do I merge mail users?

[AlexanDER Franca]

Hi all.

First of all, excuse my bad english. I'm studying.

So... I have a situation that I don't know if Mailman can handle with.

I have, for example, four mailing lists: list1, list2, list3 and list4.

And I have a user in list1 AND list2.

So... I want to send a message to list1 and list2, but it's bad in my company 
to send the same message twice for the same user.

Is there any way to send a message trough multiple lists and ignore users who 
already received the message?

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Re: [Mailman-Users] problems with upgrade

[Alexander Freund]

Hi Brad,
 
I really tried much but nothing helps.
I have no more idea what to look for because I don't get any error to search 
for.
 
It would be nice if someone has an idea what I may have.
 
Thanks,
 
Alex



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 help me with this?  At the bottom of every message posted to this list is 
 an URL to the Mailman  FAQ at http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3. I suggest you 
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[Mailman-Users] problems with upgrade

[Alexander Freund]

Hi list members,
 
I have a problem with an update from a mailman 2.1.4 to 2.1.11.I had no 
problems during the upgrade I only noticed some problems with some user account 
names, so I started the configure script with the parameters: 
--with-cgi-gid=apache --with-mail-gid=mailThat’s it. Again, no problems.My 
lists are all moderated so I have to approve every mail. I started sending a 
mail to one of my lists.I received the user mail, that the mail is being 
processed and that I can call them back etc.I also received the mail that I 
have a moderated mail but after approving the mail nothing happens.The mail is 
not sent to the users. There is no error, nothing.I have no idea where I can 
see where the mail is lost.
 
Could someone please help me with this?
 
Thanks!
 
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Receiving filtered commit messages via a Handler

[Alexander Shopov]

 Put the handler in the pipeline before Moderate and set
Thanx. Worked like a wonder.
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[Mailman-Users] Receiving filtered commit messages via a Handler

[Alexander Shopov]

Hi guys,

I am the coordinator of the Bulgarian Gnome translation team. We have an
internal Mailman controlled list that we use for automatic notifications
via mail from internal staging VCS repositories and bug tracking
systems.

Currently I would like to add notifications from upstream vcs - KDE and
GNOME. Both projects have commit mailing lists that I will subscribe our
notification list to.

However the volume from upstream commit lists is really great and I need
to apply some filtering.

I made the following Handler:

-
import re
from Mailman import Errors

def process(mlist, msg, msgdata):

message_text=msg.as_string()
recepients = msg.get_all('To')

# GNOME
rGNOME=re.compile('/bg\\.po')
aGnome='[EMAIL PROTECTED]'

try:
i = recepients.index(aGnome)
# To GNOME, so check body
if None==rGNOME.search(message_text):
# Discard! Does not contain what we want
raise Errors.DiscardMessage('GNOME commit - not bg translation')
except ValueError:
# OK - not GNOME svn
pass

# KDE
rKDE=re.compile('/bg/(doc)?messages')
aKDE='[EMAIL PROTECTED]'

try:
i = recepients.index(aKDE)
# To KDE, so check subject
if None==rKDE.search(msg.get('subject')):
# Discard! Does not contain what we want
raise Errors.DiscardMessage('KDE commit - not bg translation')
except ValueError:
# OK - not KDE svn
pass

-

Now comes the part I do not understand - how do I ensure that mailman will 
accept messages that were posted to the commit lists - they all have different 
'From:' field (the identifier of the committer).
What can I do to ensure that commit messages via the upstream lists are 
accepted by may mailman instance?


Kind regards:
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[Mailman-Users] add_member with nomail option set?

[Alexander Lazarevich]

I've trying to add members to a list, via command line, with the nomail 
option set. add_member doesn't have that option. I checked clone_member, 
which *says* it will clone a members settings to a new account, but that 
doesn't seem to inherit the nomail option.

How do I create new members via command line, or set the members nomail 
flag via command line. There is no way the only way to do this is via the 
web interface, is there?

Thanks,

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[Mailman-Users] losthold mails

[Alexander Baldauf]

Hi,

after one week, the hold mails are deleted, but max_days_to_hold ist set to 
0,
so nothing should be deleted
Appears this error perhaps because the number of holded mails?

For some people who are often out of office, it is a big problem.
We are using 2.1.8.
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[Mailman-Users] It's not possible to add new members

[Alexander Baldauf]

Hi

last weekend, we updated mailman to version 2.1.5, but after the update, 
it's not possible to add new members to any list. There ist just a error 
message like this:


Bug in Mailman version 2.1.5


  We're sorry, we hit a bug!

If you would like to help us identify the problem, please email a copy 
of this page to the webmaster for this site with a description of what 
happened. Thanks!


Traceback:

Traceback (most recent call last):
  File /usr/lib/mailman/scripts/driver, line 87, in run_main
main()
  File /usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admin.py, line 175, in main
change_options(mlist, category, subcat, cgidata, doc)
  File /usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admin.py, line 1339, in change_options
whence='admin mass sub')
TypeError: ApprovedAddMember() got an unexpected keyword argument 'whence'






Python information:

VariableValue
sys.version 2.3+ (#1, Feb 7 2005, 18:30:23) [GCC 3.3.1 (SuSE Linux)]
sys.executable  /usr/bin/python
sys.prefix  /usr
sys.exec_prefix /usr
sys.path/usr
sys.platformlinux2




Environment variables:

VariableValue
HTTP_X_FORWARDED_SERVER www.dfki.de
HTTP_REFERERhttp://www.dfki.de/mailman/admin/anvil/members/add
HTTP_ACCEPT_LANGUAGEen-us,en;q=0.5
SERVER_SOFTWARE Apache/1.3.28 (Linux/SuSE)
SCRIPT_NAME /mailman/admin
SERVER_SIGNATURE
REQUEST_METHOD  POST
PATH_INFO   /anvil/members/add
SERVER_PROTOCOL HTTP/1.1
QUERY_STRING
CONTENT_LENGTH  1031
HTTP_ACCEPT_CHARSET ISO-8859-1,utf-8;q=0.7,*;q=0.7
HTTP_USER_AGENT Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.7.12) 
Gecko/20050920 Firefox/1.0.7 SUSE/1.0.7-0.1
HTTP_CONNECTION close
HTTP_COOKIE 
anvil+admin=28020069bd4cba4373280063326537613465663231353832383565386130353662306339343964616164383166393062313963
 

SERVER_NAME www.dfki.de/pipermail
REMOTE_ADDR 134.96.188.10
PATH_TRANSLATED /srv/www/htdocs/anvil/members/add
SERVER_PORT 80
SERVER_ADDR 134.96.188.26
DOCUMENT_ROOT   /srv/www/htdocs
PYTHONPATH  /usr/lib/mailman
SCRIPT_FILENAME /usr/lib/mailman/cgi-bin/admin
SERVER_ADMIN[EMAIL PROTECTED]
HTTP_HOST   mail.dfki.de
REQUEST_URI /mailman/admin/anvil/members/add
HTTP_ACCEPT 
text/xml,application/xml,application/xhtml+xml,text/html;q=0.9,text/plain;q=0.8,image/png,*/*;q=0.5
 

GATEWAY_INTERFACE   CGI/1.1
HTTP_X_FORWARDED_FOR134.96.188.153
REMOTE_PORT 43279
HTTP_X_FORWARDED_HOST   www.dfki.de
CONTENT_TYPEmultipart/form-data; 
boundary=---185487932018472925631678055047
HTTP_ACCEPT_ENCODINGgzip,deflate

We searched in the admin.py but we didn't find the error.

Greets
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Re: [Mailman-Users] It's not possible to add new members

[Alexander Baldauf]

Brad Knowles wrote:
 At 11:26 AM +0100 2006-01-03, Alexander Baldauf wrote:

  Python information:

  Variable Value
  sys.version 2.3+ (#1, Feb 7 2005, 18:30:23) [GCC 3.3.1 (SuSE 
 Linux)]
  sys.executable /usr/bin/python
  sys.prefix /usr
  sys.exec_prefix /usr
  sys.path /usr
  sys.platform linux2

 Are you sure that this is the version of Python that is being used 
 by Mailman?  Is there any other version of Python installed that might 
 be used instead?  Can you confirm precisely which version of Python 
 this is?

 IIRC, Mailman 2.1.5 requires Python 2.3, but any later version of 
 2.3.x should also work.  However, Python 2.4 may or may not work 
 correctly with Mailman 2.1.5.

Hi
yes, this is the only version of python running on this server.
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[Mailman-Users] Subscribing lists to lists

[Alexander Ogol]

Hello Mailman Users,
 
Can you please help with answer, does Mailman supports and handles correctly
maillists, subscripted to other maillists (on the same mailman
installation), and emails, sent to multiple lists on the same installation
(like MS Exchange)?
Just as example, suppose we have those lists with subscribers (on the same
host, of course):
 
Project1 Programmers
  Programmer1
  Programmer2
  Project1 Programming Managers
 
Project1 Programming Managers
  Programmer1
  Programmer3
 
Project1 Architects
  Programmer1
 
All Architects
  Project1 Architects
  Project2 Architects
 
If in this case mail is sent to:
 
To: Project1 Programmers
CC: All Architects
 
how many copies of letter Programmer1 will receive? (Or can it be setupped,
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Subscribing lists to lists

[Alexander Ogol]

To Mailman authors/developers: 

Can it be sponsored enhancement?
Can you please evaluate it?


Thank you!
Alexander

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To: Alexander Ogol; mailman-users@python.org
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Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Subscribing lists to lists

Alexander Ogol wrote:
 
Just as example, suppose we have those lists with subscribers (on the same
host, of course):
 
Project1 Programmers
  Programmer1
  Programmer2
  Project1 Programming Managers
 
Project1 Programming Managers
  Programmer1
  Programmer3
 
Project1 Architects
  Programmer1
 
All Architects
  Project1 Architects
  Project2 Architects
 
If in this case mail is sent to:
 
To: Project1 Programmers
CC: All Architects
 
how many copies of letter Programmer1 will receive?


Three.


(Or can it be setupped,
so Programmer1 will receive letter only one time)?

See
http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showfile=faq03.005.htp
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[Mailman-Users] member passwords

[Alexander Baldauf]

Hi
I have the problem, that I don't know where I can set that members must 
have passwords by default. The problem is, that if no password is set, 
other persons can change the user options.

Greets
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Re: [Mailman-Users] 2 different lists

[Alexander Baldauf]

Mark Sapiro wrote:

Alexander Baldauf wrote:

  

We have the problem that under our server mail/mailman/listinfo and 
under mail.dfki.de/mailman/listinfo, there are 2 different list of the 
mailinglists but it is the same server.



If I understand you correctly, Mailman thinks you are using virtual
hosts and lists are only shown on the page for the host that created
them. If you set

VIRTUAL_HOST_OVERVIEW = Off

in mm_cfg.py, all public lists will appear on the overview listinfo and
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Hi
yes that was the problem, the line VIRTUAL_HOST_OVERVIEW was deleted by 
someone, after adding it again, it works.
Thanks a lot
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[Mailman-Users] 2 different lists

[Alexander Baldauf]

Hi
We have the problem that under our server mail/mailman/listinfo and 
under mail.dfki.de/mailman/listinfo, there are 2 different list of the 
mailinglists but it is the same server.
What is wrong?
Thanks and Greets
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AW: [Mailman-Users] Allow list members to send mails to another list

[DIGITAL FOR YOU - Alexander Schwethelm]

Thanks again for all your answers.  I was not in the office over the
week-end, which is why I didn't respond earlier...

I will go for Jim Tittsler's patch and besdes that allowing everybody to
send mails to the list already works.   

Thanks and best regards,

Alex



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Betreff: Re: [Mailman-Users] Allow list members to send mails to another
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At 2:17 AM +0100 2004-11-27, DIGITAL FOR YOU - Alexander Schwethelm wrote:

  Of course I could create a third list hockeyboth but this would not 
 be  very userfriendly.

You could create an umbrella list, and/or use the patch by Jim 
Tittsler that has recently been mentioned.

  In the adminpanel I have the field accept_these_nonmembers.  Could 
 I set  some kind of wildcard there?  What would I have to write?  
 Something like  ^*?

This sort of thing is also an option, and I think Mark has 
explained the syntax.


However, I'm curious as to whether or not you've considered 
making the lists open to posts from non-members?  That would allow 
what you want without requiring any patches or regular expressions. 
Of course, it would increase the amount of spam that might get 
through to the list, but then intelligent spammers could always 
monitor the output from the list and then spoof one of the subscribed 
addresses.

Just a thought.

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AW: [Mailman-Users] Unable to get Mailman up and running with qmail/vpopmail

[DIGITAL FOR YOU - Alexander Schwethelm]

Hi Jordi, hi List,

Thanks for your input and I am really happy about every input, but this also
shows, why so mayn people have problems with mailman and struggling to get
it up and running.

If you have followed the answers Bryan Petty (Tierra) has given, he told me
to use-mail-gid= mailman and NOT vchkpw also I should not create a virtual
domain, now you tell me I should.

What should I believe now being a novice???   I'll sure give you way a try,
even so I don't like the idea of having to run a script each time I add a
list.  This means an admin has to be involved each time a list is created.
It's also another potential place for errors.

Bryan, what do you say about this?  I believe qmail/vpopmail is a pretty
wide spreaded configuration by now and I don't understand why the creators
of mailman can't just say, that's the way to go, fullstop!

Best regards,

Alex



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you should create your alias at the directory 
/home/vpopmail/domains/your.domain.com/
executing the script #./create_alias list_name
the content of the create_alias script is:

#!/bin/sh
if [ $# = 1 ]; then
i=$1
echo Making links to $i...
echo |preline /usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman post $i  .qmail-$i echo
|preline /usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman admin $i  .qmail-$i-admin echo
|preline /usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman bounces $i  
.qmail-$i-bounces
#VERP format
echo |preline /usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman bounces $i  
.qmail-$i-bounces-default
echo |preline /usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman confirm $i  
.qmail-$i-confirm
echo |preline /usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman join $i  .qmail-$i-join
echo |preline /usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman leave $i  .qmail-$i-leave
echo |preline /usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman owner $i  .qmail-$i-owner
echo |preline /usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman request $i  
.qmail-$i-request
echo |preline /usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman subscribe $i  
.qmail-$i-subscribe
echo |preline /usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman unsubsrcibe $i  
.qmail-$i-unsubscribe
fi

and you also should configure the mailman setup with this options: 
*./configure --prefix=/usr/local/mailman --with-mail-gid=vchkpw 
–with-cgi-gid=apache –with-python=/usr/bin/python
*I think that with this it would be enough, and hope this would be enough.
One question I have a problem with the 2.1.5 version because it doesn't 
advise the list owner of bounces and e-mail adreses mailman deletes 
automatically, If you get any solution I would be very pleased if you 
send it to me.



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AW: AW: [Mailman-Users] Unable to get Mailman up and running withqmail/vpopmail

[DIGITAL FOR YOU - Alexander Schwethelm]

Terry, Mark and of course everybody else on the list,

I didn't want to sound rude or being not thankful about what the mailman
developers or ist community have done.  I really like mailman.  I am trying
to get mailman up and running for the past two weeks and I am doing this in
my sparetime for a hockey club for free.

All I meantis that it is very difficult to know what to do when everybody
and every tutorial is offering a different solution.  I understand that it
is possible to install mailman in any choosen location, but some basics
should be the same, at least when we all talk about the same mail client.
So when running mailman together with qmail/vpopmail the way is either to
use is -with-cgi-gid=mailman or -with-cgi-gid=VCHKPW.  Do you knwo what I am
trying to say?

When Jordi offered me his help and I really appreciate any help!!!  He/she
wrote -with-cgi-gid=apache.  In this case it is absolutely no problem to
understand that my Apache user/group is nobody so I would have to change
it to -with-cgi-gid=nobody.  So there I see differences on every system, but
I am missing a main road to success.  Why is that not possible?

So I hope everybody got my point now.  Thank you very much to all of you
offering support for free!!!

Alex


Bryan, what do you say about this?  I believe qmail/vpopmail is a 
pretty wide spreaded configuration by now and I don't understand why 
the creators of mailman can't just say, that's the way to go, fullstop!

Best regards,

Alex
Hi again,
While it would be excellent to have everyone using the same, 
it's just never going to happen. Yes, qmail/vpopmail is relatively 
popular, but not even close to the extent of sendmail usage  also 
not close to Postfix either. Exim is also a popular choice, as are 
Courier-MTA  Communigate Pro along with qmail  a pile of others, so 
it's best to allow Mailman the extent of running with any mail server 
you care to run, depending on your configuration.
The other problem developers also face is that people running 
a particular OS  MTA, such as your choice of qmail is that there are 
a myriad of configuration options for that, using different paths for 
directories  so on, such as the option of running Mailman in any 
directory so chosen, so I believe Mailman developers have don the 
best they can with what they have to work with.
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AW: AW: AW: [Mailman-Users] Unable to get Mailman up and runningwithqmail/vpopmail

[DIGITAL FOR YOU - Alexander Schwethelm]

Hi Terry,

thanks for your offer to help.  I used the way Tierra described, now
creating aliases for each list using a script.  This seems to work, even so
I liked the idea to have a solution where I don't have to run a script for
each list created. On the other hand I put so much time into this by now and
I am not planning to create lists every day ;-)

As others seem to have this solved without the aliases but using the
.qmail-default file, I might do some more testing on my dev machine.  I
start to understand how all this works, at least regarding qmail/vpopmail
and if I solve the other solution as well some day, I am thinking of writing
a tutorial about both solutions.

Thanks for now and best regards,

Alex




Hi again,
Indeed, I knew what you were saying, but the variants of so 
many operating systems makes it nigh on impossible to have things so 
easy.
Like you, I have been struggling with Mailman  trust me, 
once you nail it, you will wonder exactly where you went wrong  why 
when it was so obvious.
I found the combination of these 3 tutorials the best for my 
system (Mac OSX w/POostfix), but you'll need to substitute your 
system's paths in many places:

http://www.afp548.com/articles/Jaguar/mailman21-new.html
http://www.hesketh.com/publications/mailman_made_easy.html
http://www.afp548.com/Articles/mail/python-mailman.html

My suggestion is to get the command line way of creating 
lists working firstly, then look at fixing up the web interface - if 
I can help you out, I will try.
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[Mailman-Users] Allow list members to send mails to another list

[DIGITAL FOR YOU - Alexander Schwethelm]

Hi there,

I know I just bothered the list with my installation problems, but I hope
you all allow me another questions. :-)

I am in the process to get my lists up and running and I do have a little
problem.  Is ther a way to either allow a complete list to send messages to
another list they are no subscribed to or open this list to allow anybody no
matter if subscribed or not to send messages to a list?

As said before I am installing mailman for a hockey club and team members
should be able to send messages to each other.  So e.g. all men should
subsrcibe to the list hockeymen and all women to hockeywomen.  I they
want to send a mail to both men and women I would like them to simply send
the mail to both lists, but they are only subscribed to one of the lists.
Of course I could create a third list hockeyboth but this would not be
very userfriendly.

In the adminpanel I have the field accept_these_nonmembers.  Could I set
some kind of wildcard there?  What would I have to write?  Something like
^*?

Thanks for any help and best regards,

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AW: AW: [Mailman-Users] Unable to get Mailman up and running withqmail/vpopmail

[DIGITAL FOR YOU - Alexander Schwethelm]

Thanks for your very detailed mail.  It made everything very clear.  Mailman
is still not running, but I have some more details:

I did a su mailman and ran check_perms and indeed I do get an error
message.  I ran check_perms -f before as root, reporting no problems.

kundenserver:/var/mailman # ./bin/check_perms
No problems found
kundenserver:/var/mailman # su mailman
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~ ./bin/check_perms
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File ./bin/check_perms, line 364, in ?
checkarchivedbs()
  File ./bin/check_perms, line 226, in checkarchivedbs
for dir in os.listdir(mm_cfg.PRIVATE_ARCHIVE_FILE_DIR):
OSError: [Errno 13] Permission denied:
'/var/mailman/archives/private'
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~

I created a -qmail-default in /var/mailman with the following content
|/var/qmail/bin/preline /usr/bin/python /var/mailman/qmail-to-mailman.py.
Mails sent to the list stay in the qmail queue forever, so this doesn't work
for some reason.  In the qmail-to-mailman.py I added at the top of the
file the two configuration variables:

MailmanHome = /var/mailman; 
MailmanOwner = [EMAIL PROTECTED];

I also did the following:

Next, look for the line that looks like local =
re.sub(^mailman-,,local). Change it to read: local =
re.sub(^hockey.wthc.net-,,local)

While playing around I added -qmail-herren (herren is the name of my list)
with the following content: |/var/mailman/mail/mailman post herren, but
no success either.  I'll provide you with the exact procedure I followed in
order to install mailman now.  The only difference is that I did a chown -R
mailman . in /var/mailman while playing around, besides that this is 1:1
what I have.

Best regards, Alex

PS:  Below you'll see my installation process.  My domain is called
hockey.wthc.net, the list I am plaing around with herren.  The mails
staying in the queue have [EMAIL PROTECTED] as the recipient
when sending mails to [EMAIL PROTECTED].

useradd -d /var/mailman mailman
groupadd mailman
mkdir /var/mailman
chgrp mailman /var/mailman
chmod a+rx,g+ws /var/mailman

cd /usr/local/src/mailman
tar zxvpf mailman-2.1.5.tgz
cd mailman-2.1.5

./configure --prefix=/var/mailman \
--with-mail-gid=mailman \
--with-cgi-gid=nobody \
--with-cgi-ext=.cgi \
--with-python=/usr/bin/python

make install
cd /var/mailman 
./bin/check_perms
./bin/check_perms -f
./bin/check_perms

Edit /var/mailman/Mailman/mm_cfg.py. Add the following lines to the
end of the file:
DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = 'hockey.wthc.net'
DEFAULT_URL_HOST = 'hockey.wthc.net'
add_virtualhost('hockey.wthc.net', 'hockey.wthc.net')
ALLOW_SITE_ADMIN_COOKIES = 1

Set a password for list creation:
cd /var/mailman
./bin/mmsitepass

From the Mailman source directory, copy the qmail-to-mailman.py
script into the mailman directory:
cp /usr/local/src/mailman/mailman-2.1.5/contrib/qmail-to-mailman.py
/var/mailman
chown mailman.mailman /var/mailman/qmail-to-mailman.py
chmod a+rx /var/mailman/qmail-to-mailman.py

Edit qmail-to-mailman.py. At the top of the file, edit the two
configuration variables:
MailmanHome = /var/mailman; 
MailmanOwner = [EMAIL PROTECTED];

Next, look for the line that looks like local =
re.sub(^mailman-,,local). Change it to read: 
local = re.sub(^hockey.wthc.net-,,local)

cd /var/mailman
./bin/newlist mailman
./bin/config_list -i data/sitelist.cfg mailman
/var/mailman/bin/mailmanctl start

Put in links so that the daemons will be started when the system is
booted up:
cp /var/mailman/scripts/mailman /etc/init.d/mailman
ln -sf /etc/init.d/mailman /etc/init.d/rc3.d/S97mailman
ln -sf /etc/init.d/mailman /etc/init.d/rc2.d/K97mailman

And lastly, set up cron jobs for Mailman maintenance: 
crontab /var/mailman/cron/crontab.in -u mailman

Qmail Configuration
cd /var/mailman
touch .qmail-default

Add to .qmail-default:
|/var/qmail/bin/preline /usr/bin/python
/var/mailman/qmail-to-mailman.py


I've added hockey.wthc.net:mailman to
/var/qmail/control/virtualdomains

After all this I restarted qmail and qrunner...



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Von: Tierra [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 24. November 2004 02:03
An: DIGITAL FOR YOU - Alexander Schwethelm
Cc: Mark Sapiro; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Betreff: Re: AW: [Mailman-Users] Unable to get Mailman up and running
withqmail/vpopmail


On Wed, 24 Nov 2004 01:38:07 +0100, DIGITAL FOR YOU - Alexander Schwethelm
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 1. I re-configured mailman with --with-mail-gid=vchkpw.  Here I

AW: [Mailman-Users] Unable to get Mailman up and running withqmail/vpopmail

[DIGITAL FOR YOU - Alexander Schwethelm]

Hi there,

Sorry, it took me while to reply to your detailed and nice email, but I
needed to do some more investiagtion.

First of all I was partly able to send mail to a list on my machine, I'll
shortly explain, because it still is not configured correctly.  It would be
great I somebody could even answer some of my questions as this would
already make the picture clearer for me.

1. I re-configured mailman with --with-mail-gid=vchkpw.  Here I am not
sure what would be correct and how this influences the installation/system.
So what should I use there mailman or vchkpw???

2. I know created a /home/vpopmail/domains/mailman for my .qmail files.
Before I either created /home/vpopmail/domains/mylist.domain.tld or droped a
.qmail file directly into /var/mailman.  What is correct here?

3. Putting |/usr/bin/python /var/mailman/qmail-to-mailman.py in either
.qmail-default or .qmail-mylist doesn't work.  What works is putting
|/var/mailman/mail/mailman post mylist into .qmail-mylist, but it would be
impossible to add for each list all those aliases.  What am I doing wrong?
Is there maybe something wrong with my qmail-to-mailman.py-file?

4. Also, but not as important, I am already wondering why there is always a
text file attached to each message  (something like ATT00111.txt). This file
contains the listname, lists email address and the web link.  Why is that?

Thanks again and in advance for any support!!

Alex



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Gesendet: Montag, 22. November 2004 07:08
An: Mark Sapiro
Cc: DIGITAL FOR YOU - Alexander Schwethelm; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Betreff: Re: [Mailman-Users] Unable to get Mailman up and running
withqmail/vpopmail


On Sat, 20 Nov 2004 09:02:13 -0800, Mark Sapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Alexander Schwethelm wrote:
 
 What doesn't work and this is of course the most important part, is 
 any mail to mailman.  Let's say I have a list 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] and I send an email to this address as a 
 list user, the mail gets stuck in the qmail queue.
 
 So I am not even sure if those mails ever reach mailman in order to 
 process the mails?
 
 Have you read the README.QMAIL file that comes with the Mailman source 
 distribution?

I just want to re-emphasize the importance of the README.QMAIL file, it's
only user notes, but those are important notes you need to understand to get
mailman working.

I'm running the same config (qmail/vpopmail) using lists.mydomain.tld. Some
quick tips from me aside from the user notes in the above mentioned readme:

Let me jump on the first thing that comes to mind with your described
problem. Make sure you have the mailman user's maildir setup (and make sure
it's in the mailman user's home directory, which may be setup elsewhere from
/home/mailman, like /usr/local/mailman). I'm not actually sure if you need
the maildir setup, but it's just good practice. Then if your going the same
(easier) route I did setting up mailing lists, make sure you have your
.qmail-default file in the mailman home directory with |/usr/bin/python
/usr/local/mailman/bin/qmail-to-mailman.py (or where ever you installed
mailman).

That's all assuming your not doing mailing list aliases manually per list. I
highly suggest you take advantage of the qmail-to-mailman.py script.
Continuing on, make sure qmail knows where to send emails going to
lists.yourdomain.tld by adding lists.yourdomain.tld:mailman in the qmail
virtualdomains file (if this isn't setup right, and rcpthosts is, that could
be the cause of keeping an email in the queue since it doesn't know where to
put it).

Make sure you have lists.yourdomain.tld in the rcpthosts file for qmail.
From your description, it sounds like this is already done.

Last, but not least, if your still having problems, take a look at your
qmail logs for any description of what problems may be in the way.

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[DIGITAL FOR YOU - Alexander Schwethelm]

I really tried a lot until now and I have read README.QMAIL numerous times.
I agree that everything looks like an alias problem, but if I want to solve
this ever, I have to start investigating.

I ran the script mentioned in the README.QMAIL file.  To clarify where
should those aliases be created?  In /path/to/mailman or in
/path/to/vpopmail/domains ;-)

Also isn't there a way to handle all this without aliases.  The tutorials I
read didn't work with aliases, but added |/usr/bin/python
/var/mailman/qmail-to-mailman.py to .qmail-default.  This .qmail-default is
supposed to reside in the mailman folder, but I also tried to put this in
the apropriate vpopmail folder.  I've added the lists.domain.tld, using
vqadmin.

My problem might be that I don't know for sure how all this works
internally.  That's what I believe and please correct me as this might lead
me the right direction...

1. I am sending a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
2. Qmail/vpopmail know the domain lists.domain.tld and take care of it
3. The user example is not known at lists.domain.tld so see what's in
.qmail-default
4. From there the file qmail-to-mailman.py is called using python
5. Mailman should handle everything from there

...but, that's not how it works.  

Could this also be a rights problem?  In one tutorial I read to compile
mailman with --with-mail-gid=mailman, in the oter I read to compile it
with --with-mail-gid=vchkpw (the group used by qmail/vpopmail). What is
the correct way and how does this influence the process.

Sorry, I know a lot of questions and I would like to say thank you in
advance for any support given :-)

Best regards,

Alex



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Gesendet: Sonntag, 21. November 2004 01:57
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At 5:16 PM +0100 2004-11-20, DIGITAL FOR YOU - Alexander Schwethelm wrote:

  What doesn't work and this is of course the most important part, is 
 any mail  to mailman.  Let's say I have a list 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] and I send an  email to this address as a 
 list user, the mail gets stuck in the qmail  queue.

This sounds like a problem with the aliases definitions on the MTA.

Personally, I had never heard of either of the URLs you 
mentioned.  With regards to getting Mailman to work with qmail, the 
best reference I know of is found within the Mailman tarball, in the 
README.QMAIL file.

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[DIGITAL FOR YOU - Alexander Schwethelm]

Hi there,

I've been trying now for almost 3 days and I am about to give up :-(

I tried to install using those tutorials

http://nav.bandersnatch.org/clues/qmail-vpopmail-mailman.html and
http://www.nerdworks.org/modules.php?name=Contentpa=showpagepid=12

The second link doesn't seem to work today, so I will paste the tutorial at
the end of this mail as I kept a local copy.

Everything seems to run fine.  I am able to create lists, I can sign lists,
etc.

What doesn't work and this is of course the most important part, is any mail
to mailman.  Let's say I have a list [EMAIL PROTECTED] and I send an
email to this address as a list user, the mail gets stuck in the qmail
queue.

So I am not even sure if those mails ever reach mailman in order to process
the mails?

Any help is highly appreciated.

Best regards,

Alex


PS:  Below you'll find the tutorial mentioned above.. Whatsoever I used
mailman-2-1.5 not 2.1.3!

How to set up the Mailman mailing list manager to work with the Qmail MTA

http://www.nerdworks.org/modules.php?name=Contentpa=showpagepid=12

How to set up the Mailman (http://mailman.sourceforge.net/) mailing list
manager (MLM) to work with the Qmail (http://cr.yp.to/) MTA using
vpopmail to handle virtual users,
and Apache with dynamically configured mass virtual hosting.

The default install-prefix for Mailman is /usr/local.
Personally I really don't like to put things that grows in to /usr.
You can of course split the installation by using ./configure options.
In this HOWTO I change the install-prefix to /var.

This document assumes you have already set up a
DNS A record for lists.your.domain.
It also assumes a fairly good knowledge about using the shell.


1.

Mailman requires the mailman user, the mailman group and
the mailman install-directory to be present.
The following commands will accomplish this.

groupadd mailman
useradd -d /var/mailman -g mailman mailman

cd /var
mkdir mailman
chown mailman:mailman mailman
chmod a+rx mailman
chmod g+ws mailman


2.

With the user, group and directory in place,
we can start working with the sourcecode for Mailman.

Download the source from http://mailman.sourceforge.net/
I downloaded it to /usr/src.
Untar and enter the Mailman source directory.


cd /usr/src
tar zxvpf mailman-2.1.3.tgz
cd mailman-2.1.3

Read the documentation, but do not take the Qmail part of it
too seriously, some of it is dated, and it is a true mess
of solutions for different environments.

The mailman user is not a virtual user, so mail to Mailman
should be delivered as mailman.
The cgi-gid is the user that Apache run as.
Check in your httpd.conf for the right user. 

./configure --prefix=/var/mailman 
--with-mail-gid=mailman 
--with-cgi-gid=nobody 
--with-cgi-ext=.cgi

make install
cd /var/mailman
./bin/check_perms
./bin/check_perms -f
./bin/check_perms

After running check_perms with the -f switch,
it should return no problems.

Edit /var/mailman/Mailman/Defaults.py
At he top of the file set:

MailmanHome = /var/mailman;
MailmanVar = /var/mailman;
MailmanOwner = postmaster;

in the Qrunner defaults section

DEFAULT_EMAiL_HOST = 'lists.your.domain'
DEFAULT_URL_HOST = 'lists.your.domain'


3.

This howto assumes you are running Apache with
dynamically configured mass virtual hosting.
If you are not using dynamically configured mass virtual hosting,
just skip this section.
Read more about dynamically configured mass virtual hosting at:
http://httpd.apache.org/docs/vhosts/mass.html
It is areally nice feature.

mkdir -p /path/to/domain/lists/htdocs


4.

Configuring Apache for Mailman.

cp /var/mailman/icons/* /var/www/icons

edit /etc/apache/httpd.conf
Add the following inside the IfModule mod_alias.c section:

ScriptAlias /mailman/ /var/mailman/cgi-bin

Directory /var/mailman/cgi-bin/
Options Indexes FollowSymLinks MultiViews
AllowOverride None
Order allow,deny
Allow from all
/Directory

Alias /pipermail/ /var/mailman/archives/public

Directory /var/mailman/archives/public/
Options Indexes FollowSymLinks MultiViews
AllowOverride None
Order allow,deny
Allow from all
/Directory


5.

Set up the cronjobs neccesary for Mailman.
The needed cronjobs are located in /var/mailman/cron/crontab.in
Set them up as the user mailman with this command.

crontab /var/mailman/cron/crontab.in -u mailman


6.

Configuring qmail to handle mail for lists.your.domain

Make mailman handle all mail to lists.your.domain by inserting
the following line to /var/qmail/control/virtualdomains.

lists.your.domain:mailman

Put the following line in /var/qmail/control/rcpthosts.

lists.your.domain

Copy /usr/src/mailman-2.1.3/contrib/qmail-to-mailman.py to 
/var/mailman/

Edit /var/mailman/.qmail-default and add the following line.

|/usr/bin/python /var/mailman/qmail-to-mailman.py


7.

Now we can create the Mailman site-wide list.
This is the list that password reminders and so on appears to
come from. 

cd /var/mailman
./bin/newlist mailman
passwd

A fairly good default configuration for the site-wide list
is 

AW: [Mailman-Users] Unable to get Mailman up and running withqmail/vpopmail

[DIGITAL FOR YOU - Alexander Schwethelm]

Hi Mark, hi List,

Yes I've read both sources.  What I am wondering about is the issue that
mails stay in the qmailqueue.  I really believe that until now MailMan
didn't have the chance to do anything wrong.

I am using the qmail-to-mailman.py file provided by MailMan.  Reading e.g.
Article 3.14 from the FAQ talks about /etc/aliases, but I don't use this
file at all.  It seems to me that all the documentation regarding qmail AND
vpopmail is totally mixed up, with different solutions for different
environments.

Does any of this help, to direct me somewhere?

Thanks and best regards,

Alex



-Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
Von: Mark Sapiro [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Gesendet: Samstag, 20. November 2004 18:02
An: DIGITAL FOR YOU - Alexander Schwethelm; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Betreff: Re: [Mailman-Users] Unable to get Mailman up and running
withqmail/vpopmail


Alexander Schwethelm wrote:

What doesn't work and this is of course the most important part, is any 
mail to mailman.  Let's say I have a list [EMAIL PROTECTED] and 
I send an email to this address as a list user, the mail gets stuck in 
the qmail queue.

So I am not even sure if those mails ever reach mailman in order to 
process the mails?

Have you read the README.QMAIL file that comes with the Mailman source
distribution?

Also see
Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py

Article 3.14.

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[Mailman-Users] Hit a bug in 2.1.4 - how to report (and fix) ?

[Bob Alexander]

When a user subscribes to the list abd BEFORE finishing the process (the 
confirm message or web page) they try to list the members, here is what 
they get (some data obscured with XXX for privacy reasons).

Thank you. Bob

Bug in Mailman version 2.1.4
We're sorry, we hit a bug!
If you would like to help us identify the problem, please email a copy 
of this page to the webmaster for this site with a description of what 
happened. Thanks!
Traceback:
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File /var/lib/mailman/scripts/driver, line 97, in run_main
main()
  File /usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/roster.py, line 85, in main
password, addr)
  File /usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/SecurityManager.py, line 220, in 
WebAuthenticate
ok = self.CheckCookie(ac, user)
  File /usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/SecurityManager.py, line 300, in 
CheckCookie
ok = self.__checkone(c, authcontext, user)
  File /usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/SecurityManager.py, line 310, in 
__checkone
key, secret = self.AuthContextInfo(authcontext, user)
  File /usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/SecurityManager.py, line 105, in 
AuthContextInfo
secret = self.getMemberPassword(user)
  File /usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/OldStyleMemberships.py, line 102, in 
getMemberPassword
raise Errors.NotAMemberError, member
NotAMemberError: [EMAIL PROTECTED]



Python information:
Variable	Value
sys.version	2.3.3 (#2, Jan 13 2004, 00:47:05) [GCC 3.3.3 20040110 
(prerelease) (Debian)]
sys.executable	/usr/bin/python
sys.prefix	/usr
sys.exec_prefix	/usr
sys.path	/usr
sys.platform	linux2

Environment variables:
Variable	Value
HTTP_REFERER 	http://.X./cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/test
SERVER_SOFTWARE 	Apache/1.3.29 (Debian GNU/Linux) PHP/4.3.3
SCRIPT_NAME 	/cgi-bin/mailman/roster
SERVER_SIGNATURE 	Apache/1.3.29 Server at .X. Port 80
REQUEST_METHOD 	POST
PATH_INFO 	/test
SERVER_PROTOCOL 	HTTP/1.0
QUERY_STRING 	
CONTENT_LENGTH 	109
HTTP_USER_AGENT 	Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.0)
HTTP_COOKIE 
w3ibmProfile=200012150753070677-772415056|gEME|758|758|en-us; msp=2; 
w3sauid=d0020FAFB1069796246955896.0009911952; PBC_NLSP=en_US
SERVER_NAME 	X.X.
REMOTE_ADDR 	X...XXX
HTTP_VIA 	HTTP/1.1 XXX.XXX.XXX (XXX-PROXY-WTE)
PATH_TRANSLATED 	/var/www/test
SERVER_PORT 	80
SERVER_ADDR 	X.X.X.X
DOCUMENT_ROOT 	/var/www
HTTP_PRAGMA 	no-cache
PYTHONPATH 	/var/lib/mailman
SCRIPT_FILENAME 	/usr/lib/cgi-bin/mailman/roster
SERVER_ADMIN 	[EMAIL PROTECTED]
HTTP_HOST 	X.X.X.X
REQUEST_URI 	/cgi-bin/mailman/roster/test
HTTP_ACCEPT 	image/gif, image/x-xbitmap, image/jpeg, image/pjpeg, 
application/vnd.ms-excel, application/vnd.ms-powerpoint, 
application/msword, */*
GATEWAY_INTERFACE 	CGI/1.1
REMOTE_PORT 	43596
HTTP_ACCEPT_LANGUAGE 	en-us,it;q=0.5
CONTENT_TYPE 	application/x-www-form-urlencoded
HTTP_ACCEPT_ENCODING 	gzip, deflate
UNIQUE_ID 	QCptbMCoAQEAAB3vBX4



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[Mailman-Users] Blank password problem

[Bob Alexander]

Hello. First time install of mailman (2.1.4) on my Debian box with exim.

All seems to work fine but I have a couple of questions:

I have directed a small group of friends to the web page of my test list 
so that I can build some experience.

One of them just entered his email and then pressed ENTER.

Of course in this way he did not enter a PASSWORD (or his real name).

He did complete the registration confirmation process ok but when he 
tried to login into his profile he could not since he had no password ...

Can I fix this (like forcing a user to input a password in the web 
interface) ??

2) The emails come and go as wanted but I have no clue on how the 
archive works ... any help ?

Thank you very much for any help. Bob

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Blank password problem

[Bob Alexander]

Bob Alexander wrote:
2) The emails come and go as wanted but I have no clue on how the 
archive works ... any help ?
This one is fixed ... just needed an Alias in httpd.conf (blush).

Sorry.

But question 1 is still open !! 8-

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[Mailman-Users] CC: line

[David Alexander]

Hello again, Jon.  Does this mean that there is no way to shut off the CC: 
entry if using Full Personalization?  Is there a reason these two concepts 
are connected with each other?  I am not sure why turning on 
personalization should result in a CC: being added.

TIA.

David Alexander
Opal Computing
 ...A few people on this list have mentioned that they also see a CC: to 
the
 list on every transmission, as we do, but I have not seen a definite
 explanation or fix.  Someone said it occurs when sending with Full
 Personalization, but this was not confirmed.  Since I can not successfully
 create and use new lists ( see above :--) ), I can not test this either.


They are correct.

I suggest that you use the web-admin and look at each list's setup.  In
particular look at the admin and moderator email addresses (and make
sure that those addresses point to YOU!).


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Re: [Mailman-Users] restarting a blocked list

[David Alexander]

Interesting... something similar happened to us (currently running version 
2.1.2).  Two of our lists were not responsive and had to be re-built, after 
migrating from 2.0.x.  Now, another list is only partially responsive, and 
might have been that way for a while: if I send from Outlook or Eudora to 
that list, the message appears waiting to be Accepted, as it should; 
however, if I send the message via a ColdFusion program the message appears 
to be sent to the list, but never shows up on the list.  Meanwhile, the 
same ColdFusion code can send the same email to other lists in the same 
Mailman installation just fine.

Our network administrator left for another job last week, and his 
replacement has not been hired yet.  I would like to solve this before a 
new person gets up to speed... perhaps I will indeed remove the whole bad 
list, since it is only a test list and only has about six entries in 
it.  Is it as simple as finding one file and using rm?

I wonder if going to 2.1.3 might help with this problem

David Alexander
New York Software Industry Association
At 09:13 AM 10/21/2003 -0400, Jon Carnes wrote:
On Tue, 2003-10-21 at 05:40, javier wrote:
 hello...
 one of the ten lists i have working stoped sending messages,.  Ok, at
 moment i have to rmlist blocked list, saving the config file, and i
 have to create the same new list again, with same config file, and
 without removing archives... but... i don't know  if i could solve this
 problem better...
 i can't find why the list stops sending messages, may the cron process
 of sending digest is the reason, i've send a HELP message yesterday with
 the output cron command.

 thank you very much
Javier,

Look in the FAQ for Mailman (3.14) might be helpful.

If you are not running the latest version of your Mailman branch, then
you should consider upgrading:
  For 2.0. that would be 2.0.13
  For 2.1  that would be 2.1.3
In general, check for a locking file problem first, then check the
qfiles to see what is stuck in the queue.  It may be that one of your
users on that list has a do-it-yourself email program that is sending
out corrupt headers.
You should NEVER need to delete the existing list.  If this solves the
problem for you, then try running check_perms -f and see if that finds
any problems.  This will check the rights on most of the key files
needed for Mailman to run properly.
Good Luck - Jon Carnes

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Bulk re-enabling of disabled accounts

[David Alexander]

I believe once they are bounced, they are gone from the list.  But, once 
you export the bounced list you can copy-and-paste them into the membership 
list again.  Any duplicates will simply be rejected.  I hope that helps.

David Alexander
Opal Computing
NYSIA
http://www.opalcomputing.com
At 10:59 AM 10/22/2003, Wayne Spivak wrote:
I have a list, that was too severed on bounced emails.

As a consequence, I have large numbers of individuals who have been
diabled.
Is there a way I can just re-enable everyone - short of dumping all the
names, clearing the list (remove members) and adding them in bulk?
Thank you.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] restarting a blocked list

[David Alexander]

Jon,

Thanks for the suggestion.  I just find it strange that the seem procedure 
is working with other lists on the same Mailman installation.  Are there 
any other restrictions I should know about concerning the header or 
configurations?  For example, maybe there is a configuration option that is 
controllable about what gets put in the headers, and that is set 
differently on the different lists.  I have tried playing with a few of the 
settings and comparing between lists, but so far have not had any 
luck.  Plus, while I am at it :--), each time the announcements go out, 
there is now a CC: line going to the list address, that all recipients 
receive.  I have played with that as well, but it still shows up, ever 
since we moved to 2.1.2.

Regards,

David Alexander
NYSIA
At 10:29 AM 10/21/2003 -0400, Jon Carnes wrote:
On Tue, 2003-10-21 at 10:02, David Alexander wrote:
 Interesting... something similar happened to us (currently running version
 2.1.2).  Two of our lists were not responsive and had to be re-built, 
after
 migrating from 2.0.x.  Now, another list is only partially responsive, and
 might have been that way for a while: if I send from Outlook or Eudora to
 that list, the message appears waiting to be Accepted, as it should;
 however, if I send the message via a ColdFusion program the message 
appears
 to be sent to the list, but never shows up on the list.  Meanwhile, the
 same ColdFusion code can send the same email to other lists in the same
 Mailman installation just fine.

 Our network administrator left for another job last week, and his
 replacement has not been hired yet.  I would like to solve this before a
 new person gets up to speed... perhaps I will indeed remove the whole bad
 list, since it is only a test list and only has about six entries in
 it.  Is it as simple as finding one file and using rm?

 I wonder if going to 2.1.3 might help with this problem

 David Alexander
 New York Software Industry Association

In your case, I recommend that you change the mailman alias to point to
a local mailbox and then have the cold fusion program send off an
email.  That mail will be captured in the local mailbox and you can then
examine the headers with a critical eye.

In particular, I would look for white space that extends beyond end
characters and any non-ascii character that might be in the header (even
X-headers).
Good Luck.  It will be interesting to see what you come up with.

Jon Carnes


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[Mailman-Users] 2.1b5 still announcing as 2.1b4?

[Alexander Skwar]

Hi!

I recently updated to 2.1b5, however the mail headers still contain:

X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b4

Is that correct?

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[Mailman-Users] user_name causes messages not to be delivered

[Alexander Skwar]

Hello.

I enabled full personalization on my list and added %(user_name)s to the
message header.  After doing so, no messages get delivered.

I'm also looking for some logs to see why this might be failing.

If somebody could help me, I'd be happy.  I'm running Mailman 2.1b5.

Thanks,

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Re: [Mailman-Users] 2.1b5 still announcing as 2.1b4?

[Alexander Skwar]

So sprach Barry A. Warsaw am 2002-11-23 um 14:54:22 -0500 :
 Remember that after you upgrade and re-install, you need to restart
 your qrunners, e.g. mailmanctl restart

Oh, I'd never forget to do something like this.  Never ;)

Thanks, now it works.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] user_name causes messages not to be delivered

[Alexander Skwar]

So sprach Alexander Skwar am 2002-11-23 um 14:38:50 +0100 :
 I'm also looking for some logs to see why this might be failing.

Found it.  ~mailman/logs/error contains:

Nov 24 00:46:06 2002 (29761) Uncaught runner exception: ASCII encoding error: ordinal 
not in range(128)
Nov 24 00:46:06 2002 (29761) Traceback (most recent call last):
  File /usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py, line 105, in _oneloop
self._onefile(msg, msgdata)
  File /usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py, line 154, in _onefile
keepqueued = self._dispose(mlist, msg, msgdata)
  File /usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Queue/OutgoingRunner.py, line 61, in _dispose
self._func(mlist, msg, msgdata)
  File /usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/SMTPDirect.py, line 139, in process
deliveryfunc(mlist, msg, msgdata, envsender, refused, conn)
  File /usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/SMTPDirect.py, line 317, in verpdeliver
bulkdeliver(mlist, msgcopy, msgdata, envsender, failures, conn)
  File /usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/SMTPDirect.py, line 330, in bulkdeliver
msgtext = msg.as_string()
  File /usr/lib/mailman/pythonlib/email/Message.py, line 107, in as_string
g.flatten(self, unixfrom=unixfrom)
  File /usr/lib/mailman/pythonlib/email/Generator.py, line 100, in flatten
self._write(msg)
  File /usr/lib/mailman/pythonlib/email/Generator.py, line 128, in _write
self._dispatch(msg)
  File /usr/lib/mailman/pythonlib/email/Generator.py, line 154, in _dispatch
meth(msg)
  File /usr/lib/mailman/pythonlib/email/Generator.py, line 243, in _handle_multipart
g.flatten(part, unixfrom=False)
  File /usr/lib/mailman/pythonlib/email/Generator.py, line 100, in flatten
self._write(msg)
  File /usr/lib/mailman/pythonlib/email/Generator.py, line 128, in _write
self._dispatch(msg)
  File /usr/lib/mailman/pythonlib/email/Generator.py, line 154, in _dispatch
meth(msg)
  File /usr/lib/mailman/pythonlib/email/Generator.py, line 215, in _handle_text
self._fp.write(payload)
UnicodeError: ASCII encoding error: ordinal not in range(128)

What to do?

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[Mailman-Users] Names of attachments are broken in archive

[Alexander Skwar]

Hi.

When I send a message with an attachment to my mailing list, the
name of the attachment is broken in the archive.


This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
-- multipart/mixed attachment

-- multipart/mixed attachment
Ein Dateianhang mit Binärdaten wurde geschreddert...
Dateiname   : Drei =?ISO-8859-1?Q?W=FCnsche=2Epps?=
Dateityp: application/octet-stream
Dateigröße  : 517728 bytes
Beschreibung: nicht verfügbar
URL :
http://lists.email-server.info/mailman/private/fun/attachments/20021121/a3d80cee/DreiISO-8859-1QWFCnsche2Epps.obj

-- multipart/mixed attachment--

In this mail, I've attached a PowerPoint file to the mail.   However,
Mailman/pipermail stores the file as foo.obj.  This also happens with
JPEGs which are stored as bar.jpe.

Because of the messed up name, I cannot just click on the link to see
the attachment.  At least Galeon displays the binary contents as text,
instead of invoking the proper display routine.

Using Mailman 2.1b5.

What to do?

Thanks,

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[Mailman-Users] See bounce message?

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Hi!

Lately mails from my list to users of a certain domain keep on bouncing.
Is it possible for me, the list admin, to see the bounce message, so
that I might be able to fix the problem which is causing these bounces?

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[Mailman-Users] Changing From?

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Hi!

I'm running Mailman 2.1b3 on a server of mine.  On one of the lists, I'd
like Mailman to change the From: header of outgoing mails to some value,
so that it is impossible (or at least harder) for the users to the see
the name and/or email adress of the user who originally sent the message.

Is this possible?  If so - how would I do it?

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[Mailman-Users] Install problems

[Alexander Czernay]

Hi there!

I hope I picked the right list. I'm trying to install Mailman on my 
Linux server running SuSE 7.2. I followed the install docs up to make 
install. That produces the following errors that I don't know how to fix.

Can anyone help me please?

Thanks a lot

Alexander

Creating architecture independent directories...
chmod o-r /home/mailman/archives/private
Creating architecture dependent directories...
make[1]: Entering directory `/home/mailman/bin'
for f in digest_arch mmsitepass newlist rmlist add_members list_members 
remove_members clone_member update arch sync_members check_db withlist 
check_perms find_member version move_list config_list list_lists dumpdb; 
\ do \
/usr/bin/install -c -m 755 $f /home/mailman/bin; \
done
make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/mailman/bin'
make[1]: Entering directory `/home/mailman/cron'
for f in checkdbs crontab.in mailpasswds senddigests gate_news 
nightly_gzip qrunner bumpdigests; \ do \
/usr/bin/install -c -m 644 $f /home/mailman/cron; \
done
make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/mailman/cron'
make[1]: Entering directory `/home/mailman/filters'
for f in bowa-strip; \
do \
/usr/bin/install -c -m 644 $f /home/mailman/filters; \
done
make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/mailman/filters'
make[1]: Entering directory `/home/mailman/misc' /usr/bin/install -c -m 
644 Cookie.py /home/mailman/Mailman /usr/bin/install -c -m 644 *.jpg 
*.png /home/mailman/icons for d in bin cron scripts; \ do \
dir=/home/mailman/$d; \
/usr/bin/install -c -m 644 paths.py $dir; \
done
/usr/bin/install -c -m 664 pending_subscriptions.db /home/mailman/data
make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/mailman/misc'
make[1]: Entering directory `/home/mailman/Mailman'
for f in *.py; \
do \
/usr/bin/install -c -m 644 $f /home/mailman/Mailman; \
done
make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/mailman/Mailman'
make[1]: Entering directory `/home/mailman/scripts'
for f in answer_majordomo_mail mailcmd mailowner post driver; \ do \
/usr/bin/install -c -m 644 $f /home/mailman/scripts; \
done
make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/mailman/scripts'
make[1]: Entering directory `/home/mailman/src'
for f in admin admindb edithtml options listinfo subscribe roster 
handle_opts private; \ do \
exe=/home/mailman/cgi-bin/$f; \
/usr/bin/install -c -m 755 $f $exe; \
chmod g+s $exe; \
done
for f in wrapper; \
do \
/usr/bin/install -c -m 755 $f /home/mailman/mail; \
chmod g+s /home/mailman/mail/$f; \
done
make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/mailman/src'
make[1]: Entering directory `/home/mailman/templates'
for f in *.html *.txt; \
do \
mv -f /home/mailman/templates/$f /home/mailman/templates/$f.prev || 
/bin/true; \
/usr/bin/install -c -m 644 $f /home/mailman/templates; \ done
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[Mailman-Users] Announce-only list - how?

[Alexander Czernay]

This has probably been discussed before, but I couldn't find an answer 
in the FAQs, so...

I'd like to generate an announce-only list, that means a list where only 
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[Mailman-Users] Is one-way possible?

[Alexander Czernay]

This has probably been discussed before, but I couldn't find an answer 
in the FAQs, so...

I'd like to generate an announce-only list, that means a list where only 
one person (the owner) can post and the others only get the mail, but 
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Is one-way possible?

[Alexander Czernay]

You're probably using MM2.0 as I do. It seems like it doesn't have those 
features.
It would be great if the developers could add that announcement-only 
feature to MM in an obvious and simple way.

Jules Siegel wrote:

on 9/5/02 10:50 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


  

What you want to do is go to the Membership Management page, the
Membership List subpage.

Scroll down to where you see # Set everyone's moderation bit,
including those members not currently visible.  Select On and click
on Set.



Where is this?

Also, here's another problem. For some reason, I can't paste a list of
addresses into the subscribe field. It just remains blank. I can write into
it fine. I have another list and I haven't had that problem. Any idea what's
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Is one-way possible?

[Alexander Czernay]

This first one didn't appear, so I guessed that maybe Mailman's 
automatic admin-message removal kicked my first message out.

Now I found some explanation on how to do set it up on MM2.1, but as 
that is beta, I'd rather like to use MM2.0. And for that, I couldn't 
find any infos. Could you please give me a hint?

Thanks a lot

Alexander


Odhiambo Washington wrote:

* Alexander Czernay [EMAIL PROTECTED] [20020905 18:07]: wrote:
  

This has probably been discussed before, but I couldn't find an answer 
in the FAQs, so...



You did not look in the archives ;-)

It's possible and it's been discussed multiple times.


Why are you sending the same e-mail twice dressed differently?


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Re: [Mailman-Users] Install problems

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' are the same file
/usr/bin/install: `HTMLFormatter.py' and 
`/home/mailman/Mailman/HTMLFormatter.py' are the same file
/usr/bin/install: `ListAdmin.py' and 
`/home/mailman/Mailman/ListAdmin.py' are the same file
/usr/bin/install: `LockFile.py' and `/home/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.py' 
are the same file
/usr/bin/install: `MailCommandHandler.py' and 
`/home/mailman/Mailman/MailCommandHandler.py' are the same file
/usr/bin/install: `MailList.py' and `/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py' 
are the same file
/usr/bin/install: `Mailbox.py' and `/home/mailman/Mailman/Mailbox.py' 
are the same file
/usr/bin/install: `Message.py' and `/home/mailman/Mailman/Message.py' 
are the same file
/usr/bin/install: `Pending.py' and `/home/mailman/Mailman/Pending.py' 
are the same file
/usr/bin/install: `SecurityManager.py' and 
`/home/mailman/Mailman/SecurityManager.py' are the same file
/usr/bin/install: `Utils.py' and `/home/mailman/Mailman/Utils.py' are 
the same file
/usr/bin/install: `Version.py' and `/home/mailman/Mailman/Version.py' 
are the same file
/usr/bin/install: `__init__.py' and `/home/mailman/Mailman/__init__.py' 
are the same file
/usr/bin/install: `aliases.py' and `/home/mailman/Mailman/aliases.py' 
are the same file
/usr/bin/install: `htmlformat.py' and 
`/home/mailman/Mailman/htmlformat.py' are the same file
/usr/bin/install: `versions.py' and `/home/mailman/Mailman/versions.py' 
are the same file
make[1]: *** [install-here] Error 1
make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/mailman/Mailman'
make[1]: Entering directory `/home/mailman/scripts'
for f in answer_majordomo_mail mailcmd mailowner post driver; \
do \
/usr/bin/install -c -m 644 $f /home/mailman/scripts; \
done
/usr/bin/install: `answer_majordomo_mail' and 
`/home/mailman/scripts/answer_majordomo_mail' are the same file
/usr/bin/install: `mailcmd' and `/home/mailman/scripts/mailcmd' are the 
same file
/usr/bin/install: `mailowner' and `/home/mailman/scripts/mailowner' are 
the same file
/usr/bin/install: `post' and `/home/mailman/scripts/post' are the same file
/usr/bin/install: `driver' and `/home/mailman/scripts/driver' are the 
same file
make[1]: *** [install] Error 1
make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/mailman/scripts'
make[1]: Entering directory `/home/mailman/src'
for f in admin admindb edithtml options listinfo subscribe roster 
handle_opts private; \
do \
exe=/home/mailman/cgi-bin/$f; \
/usr/bin/install -c -m 755 $f $exe; \
chmod g+s $exe; \
done
for f in wrapper; \
do \
/usr/bin/install -c -m 755 $f /home/mailman/mail; \
chmod g+s /home/mailman/mail/$f; \
done
make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/mailman/src'
make[1]: Entering directory `/home/mailman/templates'
for f in *.html *.txt; \
do \
mv -f /home/mailman/templates/$f /home/mailman/templates/$f.prev || 
/bin/true; \
/usr/bin/install -c -m 644 $f /home/mailman/templates; \
done
mv: Beim Verschieben mehrerer Dateien muß das letzte Argument ein 
Verzeichnis sein
Versuchen Sie »mv --help« für weitere Informationen.
/usr/bin/install: cannot stat `*.html': Datei oder Verzeichnis nicht 
gefunden
mv: Beim Verschieben mehrerer Dateien muß das letzte Argument ein 
Verzeichnis sein
Versuchen Sie »mv --help« für weitere Informationen.
/usr/bin/install: cannot stat `*.txt': Datei oder Verzeichnis nicht gefunden
make[1]: *** [install] Error 1
make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/mailman/templates'
make: *** [doinstall] Error 2


Ashley M. Kirchner wrote:

Alexander Czernay wrote:

  

Can anyone help me please?



We could, if there was an actual error...  What you posted was the result of
the install command, which ran without problems.


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Re: [Mailman-Users] Install problems

[Alexander Czernay]

This is kind of strange, as I just downloaded it yesterday from Sourceforge.

It seems to me, like it can't move some files and thus doesn't find them 
afterwards. Is it possible that the SuSE guys altered the mv command or 
that something else is going wrong here?

Translation of the last few lines:

make[1]: Entering directory `/home/mailman/templates'
for f in *.html *.txt; \
do \
  mv -f /home/mailman/templates/$f /home/mailman/templates/$f.prev || 
/bin/true; \
  /usr/bin/install -c -m 644 $f /home/mailman/templates; \
done
mv: When moving several files, the last argument must be a directory
/usr/bin/install: cannot stat `*.html': File or directory not found
mv: When moving several files, the last argument must be a directory
/usr/bin/install: cannot stat `*.txt': File or directory not found
make[1]: *** [install] Error 1
make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/mailman/templates'
make: *** [doinstall] Error 2


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Re: [Mailman-Users] Install problems

[Alexander Czernay]

You're absolutly right. I've moved all the sources to 
/usr/local/src/mailman and it worked perfectly well. That could have 
come to my mind earlier :(

Thanks for your support.

Alexander


Richard Barrett wrote:

 I may be wrong but I have a suspicion that you have arranged things so 
 that your mailman build and install directories are one and the same.

 In a short experiment I could obtain similar results to those your 
 report by doing that.

 You are, in effect, trying to install from the build directory into 
 the build directory.

 The lines that read as follows below:

 quote
 /usr/bin/install: `digest_arch' and `/home/mailman/bin/digest_arch' 
 are the same file
 /quote

 are the results  of trying to mv a file to itself which would occur if 
 you have done as I suggest.

 Similarly the lines that read:

 quote
 mv: Beim Verschieben mehrerer Dateien muß das letzte Argument ein 
 Verzeichnis sein
 Versuchen Sie »mv --help« für weitere Informationen.
 /usr/bin/install: cannot stat `*.html': Datei oder Verzeichnis nicht 
 gefunden
 /quote

 may arise in the scenario I suggest because the files that mv is 
 trying to operate on have already been renamed with .prev suffix added.

 Have all the .html and .txt files in your $build/templates directory 
 been rename to .html.prev and .txt.prev?

 But I could be completely wrong about what your problem is.


 At 16:45 04/09/2002 +0200, Alexander Czernay wrote:

 My mistake. I cut the rest.

 Here we go again

 Creating architecture independent directories...
 chmod o-r /home/mailman/archives/private
 Creating architecture dependent directories...
 make[1]: Entering directory `/home/mailman/bin'
 for f in digest_arch mmsitepass newlist rmlist add_members 
 list_members remove_members clone_member update arch sync_members 
 check_db withlist check_perms find_member version move_list 
 config_list list_lists dumpdb; \
 do \
/usr/bin/install -c -m 755 $f /home/mailman/bin; \
 done
 /usr/bin/install: `digest_arch' and `/home/mailman/bin/digest_arch' 
 are the same file
 /usr/bin/install: `mmsitepass' and `/home/mailman/bin/mmsitepass' are 
 the same file
 /usr/bin/install: `newlist' and `/home/mailman/bin/newlist' are the 
 same file
 /usr/bin/install: `rmlist' and `/home/mailman/bin/rmlist' are the 
 same file
 /usr/bin/install: `add_members' and `/home/mailman/bin/add_members' 
 are the same file
 /usr/bin/install: `list_members' and `/home/mailman/bin/list_members' 
 are the same file
 /usr/bin/install: `remove_members' and 
 `/home/mailman/bin/remove_members' are the same file
 /usr/bin/install: `clone_member' and `/home/mailman/bin/clone_member' 
 are the same file
 /usr/bin/install: `update' and `/home/mailman/bin/update' are the 
 same file
 /usr/bin/install: `arch' and `/home/mailman/bin/arch' are the same file
 /usr/bin/install: `sync_members' and `/home/mailman/bin/sync_members' 
 are the same file
 /usr/bin/install: `check_db' and `/home/mailman/bin/check_db' are the 
 same file
 /usr/bin/install: `withlist' and `/home/mailman/bin/withlist' are the 
 same file
 /usr/bin/install: `check_perms' and `/home/mailman/bin/check_perms' 
 are the same file
 /usr/bin/install: `find_member' and `/home/mailman/bin/find_member' 
 are the same file
 /usr/bin/install: `version' and `/home/mailman/bin/version' are the 
 same file
 /usr/bin/install: `move_list' and `/home/mailman/bin/move_list' are 
 the same file
 /usr/bin/install: `config_list' and `/home/mailman/bin/config_list' 
 are the same file
 /usr/bin/install: `list_lists' and `/home/mailman/bin/list_lists' are 
 the same file
 /usr/bin/install: `dumpdb' and `/home/mailman/bin/dumpdb' are the 
 same file
 make[1]: *** [install] Error 1
 make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/mailman/bin'
 make[1]: Entering directory `/home/mailman/cron'
 for f in checkdbs crontab.in mailpasswds senddigests gate_news 
 nightly_gzip qrunner bumpdigests; \
 do \
/usr/bin/install -c -m 644 $f /home/mailman/cron; \
 done
 /usr/bin/install: `checkdbs' and `/home/mailman/cron/checkdbs' are 
 the same file
 /usr/bin/install: `crontab.in' and `/home/mailman/cron/crontab.in' 
 are the same file
 /usr/bin/install: `mailpasswds' and `/home/mailman/cron/mailpasswds' 
 are the same file
 /usr/bin/install: `senddigests' and `/home/mailman/cron/senddigests' 
 are the same file
 /usr/bin/install: `gate_news' and `/home/mailman/cron/gate_news' are 
 the same file
 /usr/bin/install: `nightly_gzip' and 
 `/home/mailman/cron/nightly_gzip' are the same file
 /usr/bin/install: `qrunner' and `/home/mailman/cron/qrunner' are the 
 same file
 /usr/bin/install: `bumpdigests' and `/home/mailman/cron/bumpdigests' 
 are the same file
 make[1]: *** [install] Error 1
 make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/mailman/cron'
 make[1]: Entering directory `/home/mailman/filters'
 for f in bowa-strip; \
 do \
/usr/bin/install -c -m 644 $f /home/mailman/filters; \
 done
 /usr/bin/install: `bowa-strip' and `/home/mailman/filters/bowa-strip

Re: [Mailman-Users] Setting up 2.1b2 so that only a number of people can post

[Alexander Skwar]

So sprach jenny fan am 2002-07-30 um 08:27:06 -0700 :
 Hi Alexander,
 
 Go to privacy options, set
 
 Must posts be approved by an administrator?  NO.
 
 Restrict posting privilege to list members?
 (member_posting_only)  N0.
 
 Addresses of members accepted for posting to this list
 without implicit approval requirement. (See Restrict
 ... to list members for whether or not this is in
 addition to allowing posting by list members  [put the
 email account list here, only these people can post to
 the list]
 
 Hope it helps,

Sorry, but I cannot find those options.  In 2.0.x that's exactly how I
had set it up.  But where did the options go in 2.1b2?

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[Mailman-Users] Setting up 2.1b2 so that only a number of people can post

[Alexander Skwar]

Hi.

I'd like to setup a list running on Mailman 2.1b2 so, that only a
certain number of people can post to a list.  Ie. I'm looking for a way
to have this mailman list act as a newsletter.  In 2.0.x I had found a
way.  But the server where I had set this up, is now down, so I cannot
check how I did it there...

Thanks,

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Howto ./configure with VMailMgr (qmail)?

[Alexander Skwar]

So sprach Detlef Neubauer am 2002-07-15 um 10:01:39 +0200 :
 README.QMAIL

Thanks!  Didn't think that it was that easy ;)  Now I've got it running.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Howto ./configure with VMailMgr (qmail)?

[Alexander Skwar]

So sprach Detlef Neubauer am 2002-07-15 um 10:01:39 +0200 :
 README.QMAIL

Thanks!  Didn't think that it was that easy ;)  Now I've got it running.

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[Mailman-Users] Setting up 2.1b2 so that only a number of people can post

[Alexander Skwar]

Hi.

I'd like to setup a list running on Mailman 2.1b2 so, that only a
certain number of people can post to a list.  Ie. I'm looking for a way
to have this mailman list act as a newsletter.  In 2.0.x I had found a
way.  But the server where I had set this up, is now down, so I cannot
check how I did it there...

Thanks,

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[Mailman-Users] customisable Welcome (subscribeack.txt) message

[Alexander Prohorenko]

Hello Mailmen :),

I've got a problem and hopefully you'll help me to find a way out.  I
need to customize a Welcome message (subscribeack.txt template) for
every list, by other words - I need it to different things for
different lists.  Are there any way to customize it, as well as I can
do subscribe.html or other HTML pages?  It'd be just great.

Thanks, hope to hear from you shortly.

ps. Please, don't reply to the list, I'm not a subscriber yet.

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[Mailman-Users] MBOX to Mailman's archive

[Alexander Prohorenko]

Hello,

I've got a mail list running under different mail list manager.  I'd
like to migrate the archive of this mail list to Mailman.  Can you
please help me how can I do this?  All I've got is the mbox-styled
messages archive from the previous manager.

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[Mailman-Users] mailman suddenly eats mails

[Alexander Bochmann]

Hi,

we have here a mailman installation that used to work 
without problems, but since a few days, it doesn't 
deliver any mails. Also, there are no error messages 
whatsoever in mailman's log files, so I don't have the 
slightest idea what could be wrong (I'm not the only 
admin on that machine, so maybe someone has changed 
something, but no one would admit to it).

All I can see is that the mail is piped into the mailman 
wrapper, and absolutely nothing happens after that - nothing 
in the mailman logs, and nothing anywhere else:

Mar 25 15:12:40 mailman sendmail[19315]: PAA19314: to=|/data/mailman/mail/wrapper 
post test2, delay=00:00:01, xdelay=00:00:00, mailer=prog, stat=Sent

Mailman _can_ send mails, though - when I subscribe a 
user via the web interface, he gets the confirmation 
message.

How can I do some debugging on the mailman setup to 
possibly find out where the mails end up? 

System is a Debian Linux with sendmail 8.9.3, 
python 2.1.1 and mailman 2.0.8

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Re: [Mailman-Users] mailman suddenly eats mails

[Alexander Bochmann]

Hi,

...on Mon, Mar 25, 2002 at 10:37:30AM -0500, Jon Carnes wrote:

  This is typical of cron being stopped.  Check to make sure that cron is
  running and that the cron entries for user mailman are correct.

Ouch!

You're right - for some reason, cron was not 
running. After restarting it, all mails were 
delivered.

Thanks,

Alex.

   we have here a mailman installation that used to work
   without problems, but since a few days, it doesn't
   deliver any mails. Also, there are no error messages
   whatsoever in mailman's log files, so I don't have the
   slightest idea what could be wrong


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[Mailman-Users] Mailman Sendmail problems

[Alexander Prohorenko]

Hello guys,

I've got a problem working Mailman.  I've installed it properly, everything
works,
but nobody can post/subscribe to the list.  Ie, I'm subscribing my email
through the
web, I'm recieveing a confirmation messages and sending reply but Mailman
just do
nothing, and my email still exists as pending one.  As admin, I can
easily subscribe
any email address through the web.  However, nobody is able to post to the
list - 
Mailman just do nothing with a messages.  Can you please advise me what
should I look
at to fix this?  Thanks.

ps.  FreeBSD 3.5-STABLE, Sendmail 8.11.1, Mailman 2.0.5.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Sendmail problems

['Alexander Prohorenko']

On Wed, Jun 27, 2001 at 05:45:00PM +0200, Enriko Groen wrote:
  Mailman just do nothing with a messages.  Can you please 
  advise me what
  should I look
  at to fix this?  Thanks.
 Have you checked if the mails are maybe on hold?
 You can check this through the webinterface...

Can you point me to this?

 Also checkout the local MTA logfiles to see if messages get sent.

Yes, the message (with post/subscribe-confirm) are being recieved and
piped to mailman and then nothing happens.

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[Mailman-Users] Re: Mailman Sendmail problems

[Alexander Prohorenko]

On Wed, Jun 27, 2001 at 04:08:20PM +0300, Alexander Prohorenko wrote:
 I've got a problem working Mailman.  I've installed it properly, everything
 works,
 but nobody can post/subscribe to the list.  Ie, I'm subscribing my email
 through the
 web, I'm recieveing a confirmation messages and sending reply but Mailman
 just do
 nothing, and my email still exists as pending one.  As admin, I can
 easily subscribe
 any email address through the web.  However, nobody is able to post to the
 list - 
 Mailman just do nothing with a messages.  Can you please advise me what
 should I look
 at to fix this?  Thanks.

The subsciptions are pending, but isn't being processed.

# ../bin/dumpdb pending_subscriptions.db
{   149908: ('[EMAIL PROTECTED]', '1', 0, 993587308),
820308: ('[EMAIL PROTECTED]', '1', 0, 993586995),
'lastculltime': 993586995}


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[Mailman-Users] Re: Mailman Sendmail problems

[Alexander Prohorenko]

On Wed, Jun 27, 2001 at 04:08:20PM +0300, Alexander Prohorenko wrote:
 Mailman just do nothing with a messages.  Can you please advise me what
 should I look
 at to fix this?  Thanks.

I've already solved this problem.  That was my fault, my missconfiguration.

Now the question is - the posts/subscribes are being processed only
every minute, not often.  So if the message comes at 01:01, it'll be
visible only at 02:00.  Are there any way to make the messages processing
immediate?

Thanks.

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[Mailman-Users] Question

[Alexander van den Eijnde]

Is there a way to get (as owner) the complete list of addresses on the
list.
Need to find some addresses, with the same @xxx.yyy.zz part and don't
want to get it with thirty apiece.
Please help

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[Mailman-Users] subscribed email at the bottom of each mail?

[Alexander Levenetz]

Hello there,


once in a while I see emails from Mailing-lists where I get at the very
bottom: "You are subscribe as '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'". I find this very
useful as people often don't know with which address they are
subscribed. Is there any way to do this with Mailman? TIA,

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