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On 2/27/20 10:18 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote:
>>> Setting Maximum message size works in current Postorius. What version do
>>> you have?
>>
>>   I'm running 1.1.2; it's from the Ubuntu repo.
> 
> Actually, the issue is Mailman core, not Postorius. max_message_size was
> not exposed in REST before version 3.2.0.

  Ahh I see.

  I sure wish the distribution packagers would do a better job of
keeping up with new releases.  I'm an old-school UNIX guy, very much
accustomed to building everything from source (under SunOS, Ultrix, etc)
and I still maintain that these package management systems create more
problems than they solve. ;)

  I got motivated and tried setting that variable via the mailman shell,
and it worked a treat.  Thanks again for hitting me with the clue bat.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Setting MM 3 attributes

On 2/27/20 9:08 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote:
> On 2/27/20 5:44 PM, Dave McGuire wrote:
>>
>>   Not to hijack, but is it possible to set the maximum message size by
>> the mailman shell?  I've a problem with that in one of my MM3 lists, I
>> really need to set that, but the web interface does not allow me to set
>> it.  I get the dreaded "Unknown attribute: max_message_size" error.
>> Could you loan me a clue?
> 
> Not only does this not really belong in this thread, it doesn't even
> belong on this list.> 
> <https://lists.mailman3.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-us...@mailman3.org/>
> would be a better place, but since you asked...

  Yeah, I figured, sorry about that Mark.

> Setting Maximum message size works in current Postorius. What version do
> you have?

  I'm running 1.1.2; it's from the Ubuntu repo.

> Yes you can set it in mailman shell
> 
> mailman shell -l l...@example.com
> 
> The variable 'm' is the l...@example.com mailing list
>>>> m.max_message_size = 100(or whatever you want to set it to)
>>>> commit()
>>>>

  I've made a note of it, and will give it a shot tomorrow.  Thanks, and
I'm sorry for the OT post!

  -Dave

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Re: [Mailman-Users] The last release from the GNU Mailman project

On 2/27/20 8:01 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote:
>> Bounce processing will still not be available for new users of Mailman
>> which is my big concern. I assume new lists will have to have those
>> settings adjusted via the Mailman shell?
> 
> Sure it will. All the settings have reasonable defaults just like MM 2.1
> 
> bounce_info_stale_after: 7d
> bounce_notify_owner_on_disable: True
> bounce_notify_owner_on_removal: True
> bounce_score_threshold: 5
> bounce_you_are_disabled_warnings: 3
> bounce_you_are_disabled_warnings_interval: 7d
> process_bounces: True
> 
> True, until they are exposed in some list admin UI they will need to be
> set via mailman shell or the REST API, but bounce processing will work
> out of the box in Mailman core 3.3.1.

  Not to hijack, but is it possible to set the maximum message size by
the mailman shell?  I've a problem with that in one of my MM3 lists, I
really need to set that, but the web interface does not allow me to set
it.  I get the dreaded "Unknown attribute: max_message_size" error.
Could you loan me a clue?

Thanks,
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Re: [Mailman-Users] The last release from the GNU Mailman project

On 2/27/20 3:40 PM, Brian Carpenter wrote:
>> If you want to port Mailman 2 to Python 3, you are welcome to do it. I
>> have said before that a much better use of time and resources would be
>> the implementation of a light weight, non-Django web UI for Mailman 3,
>> but I don't see anyone raising a hand to do either.
> 
> I am doing that. I have hired a programmer and work beings for a new
> Mailman 3 UI next week.

  Whoa, wow...does this mean (when it's ready) that we'll be able to
dump the steaming pile that is django??

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[Mailman-Users] bug

2019-10-27 Thread Dave Stevens

Bug in Mailman version 2.1.26

We're sorry, we hit a bug!

Please inform the webmaster for this site of this problem. Printing of
traceback and other system information has been explicitly inhibited,
but the webmaster can find this information in the Mailman error logs. 

I was trying to log in to the mailman pending admin tasks page to
delete an attempted post by a non-member. 

in /var/log/mailman/error is:


admin(22004): [- Traceback --] 
admin(22004): Traceback (most recent call last):
admin(22004):   File "/var/lib/mailman/scripts/driver", line 117, in
run_main admin(22004): main()
admin(22004):   File "/var/lib/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admindb.py", line
219, in main admin(22004): mlist.Lock()
admin(22004):   File "/var/lib/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 162,
in Lock admin(22004): self.__lock.lock(timeout)
admin(22004):   File "/var/lib/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.py", line 243,
in lock admin(22004): self.__write()
admin(22004):   File "/var/lib/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.py", line 422,
in __write admin(22004): fp = open(self.__tmpfname, 'w')
admin(22004): IOError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory:
'/var/lib/mailman/locks/amsmembers.lock.web6.bcenclave.ca.22004.0'
admin(22004): [- Python Information -] admin(22004):
sys.version =   2.7.15+ (default, Oct  7 2019, 17:39:04) [GCC
7.4.0] admin(22004): sys.executable  =   /usr/bin/python 
admin(22004): sys.prefix  =   /usr 
admin(22004): sys.exec_prefix =   /usr 
admin(22004): sys.path=   ['/var/lib/mailman/pythonlib',
'/var/lib/mailman', '/usr/lib/mailman/scripts', '/var/lib/mailman',
'/usr/lib/python2.7', '/usr/lib/python2.7/plat-x86_64-linux-gnu',
'/usr/lib/python2.7/lib-tk', '/usr/lib/python2.7/lib-old',
'/usr/lib/python2.7/lib-dynload', '/usr/lib/python2.7/site-packages',
'/usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages'] admin(22004): sys.platform=
linux2 admin(22004): [- Environment Variables -]
admin(22004):   CONTENT_LENGTH: 40 admin(22004):   SERVER_NAME:
cleanairplan.ca admin(22004):   SERVER_PORT: 1 admin(22004):
HTTPS: ON admin(22004):   HTTP_COOKIE: admin(22004):   REMOTE_ADDR:
207.194.211.2 admin(22004):   PYTHONPATH: /var/lib/mailman
admin(22004):   PATH_INFO: /amsmembers admin(22004):
SCRIPT_NAME: /virtualmin-mailman/unauthenticated/admindb.cgi
admin(22004):   REQUEST_METHOD: POST admin(22004):   HTTP_HOST:
cleanairplan.ca:1 admin(22004):   USER: www-data 
admin(22004):   CONTENT_TYPE: application/x-www-form-urlencoded 
admin(22004):   SERVER_PROTOCOL: HTTP/1.0 
admin(22004):   QUERY_STRING:  
admin(22004):   LOGNAME: www-data 
admin(22004):
REQUEST_URI: /virtualmin-mailman/unauthenticated/admindb.cgi/amsmembers
admin(22004):   DOCUMENT_ROOT: /usr/share/webmin 



I don't know what to do about this.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Migrated Mailman to another server

2019-05-31 Thread Dave Stevens

On Fri, 31 May 2019 14:34:19 -0400
Ryan McClung  wrote:

> I figured it out.

what was the fix?
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Now that Python 2 is dead in 2020 what are people's plans with mailman2?

2019-04-10 Thread Dave McGuire

On 4/10/19 12:25 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote:
> The path forward is to increase the community of MM 3 users which will
> result in more people contributing to the project and faster progress.

  On that note, I migrated my half-dozen lists (a few hundred recipients
in total) to MM3 yesterday.  I'm having a couple of minor issues, for
which I will request advice as soon as I'm sure of what's happening, but
overall the results have been positive.

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[Mailman-Users] email to sms?

2019-02-27 Thread Dave Stevens

Hi,

I've been using mailman to send routine announcements for a long time
and more and more what people want is a text message. I've been able to
discover gateways for individual carriers so that I can send to
@..com and the subscriber gets a text, so
phone notification which is quick and handy. This has been well
received.

I've been looking at the list of carriers getting longer and have
looked into email to sms services but what I've seen has been
commercial and too expensive.

Is there a collaborative or open source email to sms project? Can anyone
refer me to better information? I've been pretty much just casting
around so far.

TIA.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] deleting archives, default sender addresses

2019-02-27 Thread Dave McGuire

On 2/27/19 1:15 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote:
>>> See <https://gitlab.com/mailman/hyperkitty/issues/3>
>>
>>   Ok, thanks for the pointer.  I hate to as a stupid question, but how
>> do I actually run that snippet?  At an REPL prompt I assume, but are
>> there imports, etc?
> 
> You need to run the Django management command 'shell', e.g.
> 'django-admin shell' or 'manage.py shell' or however you spell it. This
> will give you a python shell and you enter the commands at the '>>>'
> prompts.

  Ah!  That worked perfectly.  Is it obvious that I'm new to Django? ;)

>>> DEFAULT_FROM_EMAIL = 'postorius@localhost.local'
>>>
>>> in your Django settings.py. Put your desired override in settings_local.py.
>>
>>   Perfect!  That worked.  I could've sworn I set that last night and it
>> didn't work, but perhaps I hadn't restarted Mailman. (it was late..)
>> But I rebooted the VM this morning to install some patches.
> 
> Rebooting will do it. Restarting Mailman won't as this is a Django
> setting, not a Mailman setting. How to update that without a reboot
> depends on how you run your Django wsgi app. With mod_wsgi, just
> touching the wsgi.py file will do. With gunicorn, I just restart
> gunicorn. I'm not sure about uwsgi, I don't use it, but see
> <https://uwsgi-docs.readthedocs.io/en/latest/articles/TheArtOfGracefulReloading.html>.

  That makes sense.  I was not aware that restarting Mailman would not
restart Django.

  Thank you again, Mark, for your time.  I appreciate your help.

  -Dave

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Re: [Mailman-Users] deleting archives, default sender addresses

2019-02-27 Thread Dave McGuire

On 2/27/19 12:09 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote:
>>   Hi folks.  I'm a longtime Mailman 2 user, working with Mailman 3 for
>> the first time (specifically v3.1.1) and things are going pretty well so
>> far.  I don't particularly like having to run it under Linux (we're a
>> Solaris-based outfit) but I bit the bullet and built a VM for it.
> 
> A much better list for Mailman 3 is mailman-us...@mailman3.org
> <https://lists.mailman3.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-us...@mailman3.org/>.
> Several Mailman 3 developers don't read this list.

  Oops, my apologies, thank you for the heads-up.  I will subscribe over
there shortly.

> Also, have you tried
> installing Mailman 3 on Solaris? It should work although there may be
> some dependency gotchas. If you do succeed and it's not straightforward,
> we'd appreciate your feedback.

  The problem isn't actually Solaris so much as it is SPARC.  There's no
SPARC back-end for Node.js, and the Node.js people don't seem interested
in supporting that platform; apparently they think SPARCs are old or
something. (There were SPARC processors in 1995...but not all SPARC
processors are from 1995!)

  I think there's a better shot at it now, since they've made it
portable enough to run on ARM, but still.

>>   I've hit two little snags, though.  First, I created a test list and
>> exercised it a bit, then deleted it...the archives are still in
>> Hyperkitty, though.  How can I delete those?
> 
> See <https://gitlab.com/mailman/hyperkitty/issues/3>

  Ok, thanks for the pointer.  I hate to as a stupid question, but how
do I actually run that snippet?  At an REPL prompt I assume, but are
there imports, etc?

>>   Second, address confirmation emails are coming from
>> postorius@localhost.local.  I've dug and dug, and I've not been able to
>> override it.  There are numerous archived forum posts about this, and
>> none of the proposed solutions I've found seem to work.  Help?
> 
> That is
> 
> DEFAULT_FROM_EMAIL = 'postorius@localhost.local'
> 
> in your Django settings.py. Put your desired override in settings_local.py.

  Perfect!  That worked.  I could've sworn I set that last night and it
didn't work, but perhaps I hadn't restarted Mailman. (it was late..)
But I rebooted the VM this morning to install some patches.

  Thank you, Mark, for your time and assistance.

  -Dave

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[Mailman-Users] deleting archives, default sender addresses

2019-02-27 Thread Dave McGuire



  Hi folks.  I'm a longtime Mailman 2 user, working with Mailman 3 for
the first time (specifically v3.1.1) and things are going pretty well so
far.  I don't particularly like having to run it under Linux (we're a
Solaris-based outfit) but I bit the bullet and built a VM for it.

  I've hit two little snags, though.  First, I created a test list and
exercised it a bit, then deleted it...the archives are still in
Hyperkitty, though.  How can I delete those?

  Second, address confirmation emails are coming from
postorius@localhost.local.  I've dug and dug, and I've not been able to
override it.  There are numerous archived forum posts about this, and
none of the proposed solutions I've found seem to work.  Help?

 Thanks,
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[Mailman-Users] Mailman architectural overview incomplete?

2018-10-21 Thread Dave Stevens

This document:

http://terri.zone12.com/doc/mailman/mailman-admin.pdf

describes on p. 4 the basics of incoming queue management. But it stops
with outgoing queue details absent. Is this written up somewhere?

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[Mailman-Users] most recent docs?

2018-10-13 Thread Dave Stevens

Mark suggested I take up an issue with my distro maintainers which I've
done. One part of that is reading the admin guide dated June 2, 2017
and written by Barry Warsaw. There's another such document at
https://wiki.list.org/DOC/Mailman%202.1%20List%20Administrators%20Manual?highlight=%28admin%29%7C%28warsaw%29
and isn't clear to me which is most up to date. Anyone know?

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[Mailman-Users] I'm doing as check_perms suggests with no change - what next?

2018-10-08 Thread Dave Stevens


root@web6:/var/lib/mailman/archives/private/stewards# check_perms -f
/var/lib/mailman/scripts bad group (has: root, expected list) (fixing)
/var/lib/mailman/locks bad group (has: root, expected list) (fixing)
/var/lib/mailman/Mailman bad group (has: root, expected list) (fixing)
/var/lib/mailman/templates bad group (has: root, expected list) (fixing)
/var/lib/mailman/icons bad group (has: root, expected list) (fixing)
/var/lib/mailman/mail bad group (has: root, expected list) (fixing)
/var/lib/mailman/cron bad group (has: root, expected list) (fixing)
/var/lib/mailman/cgi-bin bad group (has: root, expected list) (fixing)
/var/lib/mailman/logs bad group (has: root, expected list) (fixing)
/var/lib/mailman/bin bad group (has: root, expected list) (fixing)
Problems found: 10
Re-run as list (or root) with -f flag to fix

I'be repeated this several times and don't see what to do. Ideas?

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Re: [Mailman-Users] debugging help - logs show mailman post executed but no mail

2018-10-04 Thread Dave Stevens

On Thu, 4 Oct 2018 19:16:24 -0700
Mark Sapiro  wrote:

> On 10/04/2018 05:03 PM, Dave Stevens wrote:
> > 
> > The list exists, the sender is subscribed and unmoderated the
> > destination email exists, the post operation seems to have worked
> > (where's the logfile???) but no mail delivered.
> > 
> > Where should I be looking?  
> 
> 
> In Mailman's logs. Particularly 'error', 'post', 'smtp' and
> 'smtp-failure'. Where they are depends on how Mailman was installed,
> possibly /usr/lib/mailman/logs/ or /var/lib/mailman/logs/ or
> /var/log/mailman/ or elsewhere depending on how Mailman was
> configured/packaged.
> 
> If there is no error or smtp failure and there are entries in the
> 'post' and 'smtp' logs, then the message was delivered to the
> outgoing MTA.
> 

files from /var/log/mailman:

error exists and has a few entries but none as recent as Oct 3 which is
the failure date. 

post has this content only:

Oct 01 17:13:04 2018 (2966) post to amsdirectors from
g...@uniserve.com, size=2919,
message-id=<20181001171248.33c61328@user-Satellite-A100>, success

I can confirm that this was delivered, I received it.

smtp, dated Oct 1 and smtp.1, dated Oct 2, are zero bytes

no file smtp-failure

and from syslog.1 this excerpt at the relevant time:

Oct  3 18:02:11 web5 postfix/smtpd[23732]: connect from
apps-kam-2.gov.bc.ca[142.34.224.137] Oct  3 18:02:11 web5
postfix/smtpd[23732]: C21AE8ED2DF:
client=apps-kam-2.gov.bc.ca[142.34.224.137] Oct  3 18:02:11 web5
postfix/cleanup[4673]: C21AE8ED2DF:
message-id=<201810040102.w9412abv006...@apps-kam-2.gov.bc.ca> Oct  3
18:02:11 web5 postfix/qmgr[1546]: C21AE8ED2DF:
from=, size=1268, nrcpt=1 (queue active) Oct  3
18:02:12 web5 postfix/smtpd[23732]: disconnect from
apps-kam-2.gov.bc.ca[142.34.224.137] Oct  3 18:02:12 web5
postfix/local[4674]: C21AE8ED2DF:this point then deleted 
to=,
orig_to=, relay=local, delay=0.92,
delays=0.2/0.01/0/0.71, dsn=2.0.0, status=sent (delivered to
command: /usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman post kitimat) Oct  3 18:02:12
web5 postfix/qmgr[1546]: C21AE8ED2DF: removed

so to me this looks just like a normal delivery. I think it must be the
case that mailman handed off the delivery to postfix at this point then
deleted the message. But then why no actual delivery?

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[Mailman-Users] debugging help - logs show mailman post executed but no mail

2018-10-04 Thread Dave Stevens

so like this:

postfix/local[12525]: 0558C8ECC0F:
to=,
orig_to=, relay=local, delay=0.75,
delays=0.09/0/0/0.66, dsn=2.0.0, status=sent (delivered to
command: /usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman post daveonly)

The list exists, the sender is subscribed and unmoderated the
destination email exists, the post operation seems to have worked
(where's the logfile???) but no mail delivered.

Where should I be looking?

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[Mailman-Users] don't see where the mail is disappearing to

2018-08-23 Thread Dave Stevens

I've got a set of lists that work as announcement only and which have
been working fine. Between yesterday and today something has changed
that results in no mail being distributed. I'm on the distribution
lists.

When I look at the debian /var/log/mail.log tail I see notifications
about the relevant lists with a suffix (queue active). I take it that
this indicates that mail can be sent in principle, is that right?

Any suggestions about where to look for more info welcome.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] two problems with Mailman 2.1

2018-03-26 Thread Dave Stevens

On Thu, 1 Feb 2018 15:12:44 -0800
Mark Sapiro <m...@msapiro.net> wrote:

> On 02/01/2018 12:41 PM, Dave Stevens wrote:
> > I?m having a couple of problems with a Mailman 2.1 list.
> > 
> > I want to add several addresses as new subscribers so as a first
> > step I added one of them using the mass subscription facility in
> > membership management. Mailman accepted the data but when I
> > subsequently checked the subscriber list it wasn?t there. This has
> > been the case for two days now.  
> 
> 
> When you submitted the mass subscribe form the first time, did you
> get a response with a message at the top saying "successfully
> subscribed" or did it say something else.
> 
> 
> > Today I checked manually that the recipient address was in fact
> > working and decided to resubscribe using the same method. I enter
> > the data in the text box (I?ve done this several times) then click
> > on the "submit your changes" button below and get this
> > message, ?Error: The form lifetime has expired. (request forgery
> > check)?
> > 
> > This happens without any special delay on my part, not more than a
> > few minutes. Please advise.  
> 
> 
> You need to first get the form and then submit it within whatever the
> FORM_LIFETIME setting is in your installation. The default is one hour
> but could be different in your installation.
> 
> I suspect the issue is something else. I don't know what the issue
> might be, but one thing to check is to look at the HTML source of the
> admin/LIST_NAME/members/add page in your browser. The FORM tag in that
> source should be
> 
>  enctype="multipart/form-data">
> 
> If instead it is something like
> 
> http://example.com/mailman/admin/gpc-talk/members/add;
> method="POST" enctype="multipart/form-data">
> 
> And the URL in the address bar is different, i.e. a different domain
> or a different scheme (like https vs http) that might be an issue.
> 
> Is this your Mailman installation or a hosted installation?
> 
> Do other 'admin' and 'admindb' pages work? I.e. if you change
> something on the admin General Options page and submit, does it work
> or produce the same form lifetime error?
> 

Hi Mark,

I eventually found withlist, which I hadn't know about before and that
allowed me to do what I needed, even though the GUI is still not
functional. Thhanks very much for your help.


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[Mailman-Users] send_digests() issue w/ Mailman 2.1.26

2018-03-12 Thread Dave Pascoe

Sending digests has broken on upgrade to either 2.1.25 or 2.1.262.1.26
I'm pretty sure.

Getting this error:

Mar 12 17:50:55 2018 (17857) send_digests() failed: decode() takes no
keyword arguments
Mar 12 17:50:55 2018 (17857) Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line 110, in
process
send_digests(mlist, mboxfp)
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line 158, in
send_digests
send_i18n_digests(mlist, mboxfp)
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line 313, in
send_i18n_digests
toctext = to_cset_out(toc.getvalue(), lcset)
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line 77, in
to_cset_out
return text.decode(lcset, errors='replace').encode(ocset,
TypeError: decode() takes no keyword arguments

This is on a soon-to-be-upgraded CentOS 5 system so Python 2.4.3. Any quick
fix for ToDigest.py to make it temporarily compatible with Python 2.4.3?

TIA,
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[Mailman-Users] Issues w/ subscribe/reCAPTCHA v2 on Mailman 2.1.26

2018-03-01 Thread Dave Pascoe

Just upgraded to Mailman 2.1.26 on a CentOS 5.11 system (yeah, I
knowthis is a legacy box and will be migrating to a newer OS soon). I'm
trying to enable reCAPTCHA v2 support. I've defined:

RECAPTCHA_SITE_KEY = '...'
RECAPTCHA_SECRET_KEY = '...'

in mm_cfg.py.

I keep getting the exception shown below when testing out the subscribe
function. The only way to get subscribe working again is to comment out the
reCAPTCHA code in subscribe.py and commenting out RECAPTCHA_SITE_KEY and
RECAPTCHA_SECRET_KEY in mm_cfg.py.

Any ideas?

TIA,
Dave

===

admin(5122): [- Mailman Version: 2.1.26 -]
admin(5122): [- Traceback --]
admin(5122): Traceback (most recent call last):
admin(5122):   File "/usr/local/mailman/scripts/driver", line 102, in
run_main
admin(5122): pkg = __import__('Mailman.Cgi', globals(), locals(),
[scriptname])
admin(5122):   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/subscribe.py", line 154
  except urllib2.URLError as e:
   ^
  SyntaxError: invalid syntax
admin(5122): [- Python Information -]
admin(5122): sys.version =   2.4.3 (#1, Jan  9 2013, 06:49:54)
[GCC 4.1.2 20080704 (Red Hat 4.1.2-54)]
admin(5122): sys.executable  =   /usr/bin/python
admin(5122): sys.prefix  =   /usr
admin(5122): sys.exec_prefix =   /usr
admin(5122): sys.path=   ['/usr/local/mailman/pythonlib',
'/usr/local/mailman', '/usr/local/mailman/scripts', '/usr/local/mailman',
'/usr/lib/python24.zip', '/usr/lib/python2.4/',
'/usr/lib/python2.4/plat-linux2', '/usr/lib/python2.4/lib-tk',
'/usr/lib/python2.4/lib-dynload', '/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages',
'/usr/lib/python2.4/dist-packages']
admin(5122): sys.platform=   linux2
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Re: [Mailman-Users] two problems with Mailman 2.1

2018-02-19 Thread Dave Stevens

On Thu, 1 Feb 2018 15:12:44 -0800
Mark Sapiro <m...@msapiro.net> wrote:

> On 02/01/2018 12:41 PM, Dave Stevens wrote:
> > I?m having a couple of problems with a Mailman 2.1 list.


fwiw this has now been deemed a bug by virtualimin whose installer put
the list in place. After a recent VM upgrade this started happening.
It's being worked on I'll post a fix if one develops

Dave

> > 
> > I want to add several addresses as new subscribers so as a first
> > step I added one of them using the mass subscription facility in
> > membership management. Mailman accepted the data but when I
> > subsequently checked the subscriber list it wasn?t there. This has
>

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[Mailman-Users] two problems with Mailman 2.1

2018-02-01 Thread Dave Stevens


I?m having a couple of problems with a Mailman 2.1 list.

I want to add several addresses as new subscribers so as a first step  
I added one of them using the mass subscription facility in membership  
management. Mailman accepted the data but when I subsequently checked  
the subscriber list it wasn?t there. This has been the case for two  
days now.


Today I checked manually that the recipient address was in fact  
working and decided to resubscribe using the same method. I enter the  
data in the text box (I?ve done this several times) then click on the  
"submit your changes" button below and get this message, ?Error: The  
form lifetime has expired. (request forgery check)?


This happens without any special delay on my part, not more than a few  
minutes. Please advise.


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Re: [Mailman-Users] fix permissions error?

2017-05-09 Thread Dave Stevens


Quoting Mark Sapiro <m...@msapiro.net>:


On 05/09/2017 08:32 AM, Dave Stevens wrote:

administrator@web5:/var/lib/mailman/bin$ sudo ./check_perms -f
/var/lib/mailman/logs bad group (has: root, expected list) (fixing)
/var/lib/mailman/cron bad group (has: root, expected list) (fixing)
/var/lib/mailman/cgi-bin bad group (has: root, expected list) (fixing)
/var/lib/mailman/bin bad group (has: root, expected list) (fixing)
/var/lib/mailman/scripts bad group (has: root, expected list) (fixing)
/var/lib/mailman/mail bad group (has: root, expected list) (fixing)
/var/lib/mailman/Mailman bad group (has: root, expected list) (fixing)
/var/lib/mailman/icons bad group (has: root, expected list) (fixing)
/var/lib/mailman/templates bad group (has: root, expected list) (fixing)
/var/lib/mailman/locks bad group (has: root, expected list) (fixing)
Problems found: 10
Re-run as list (or root) with -f flag to fix

after several iterations I still don't see what to do. Doesn't seem to
be really fixing anything. Also what list??




I'm guessing that this is a Debian/Ubuntu package. If you look you'ss
find all those paths are in fact symlinks to other directories and the
group and permissions on the actual directory are fine. check_perms
can't actually change the symlink group and it's not relevant anyway.

the 'list' in 'Re-run as list (or root) with -f flag to fix' refers to
the user 'list' which is the Debian/Ubuntu Mailman user, not to a
Mailman list.

In any case, do you have a problem other than the spurious report from
check_perms?


yes. I made a new empty list and added myself to it and then got this  
message (as usual):


The web page for users of your mailing list is:

http://choked.ca/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/davedave

Clicking on the link gives first the info page and clicking on its  
archive link gives:


Forbidden

You don't have permission to access /pipermail/davedave/ on this server.

And that's the issue I was hoping to address by the permissions fix.

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[Mailman-Users] fix permissions error?

2017-05-09 Thread Dave Stevens


administrator@web5:/var/lib/mailman/bin$ sudo ./check_perms -f
/var/lib/mailman/logs bad group (has: root, expected list) (fixing)
/var/lib/mailman/cron bad group (has: root, expected list) (fixing)
/var/lib/mailman/cgi-bin bad group (has: root, expected list) (fixing)
/var/lib/mailman/bin bad group (has: root, expected list) (fixing)
/var/lib/mailman/scripts bad group (has: root, expected list) (fixing)
/var/lib/mailman/mail bad group (has: root, expected list) (fixing)
/var/lib/mailman/Mailman bad group (has: root, expected list) (fixing)
/var/lib/mailman/icons bad group (has: root, expected list) (fixing)
/var/lib/mailman/templates bad group (has: root, expected list) (fixing)
/var/lib/mailman/locks bad group (has: root, expected list) (fixing)
Problems found: 10
Re-run as list (or root) with -f flag to fix

after several iterations I still don't see what to do. Doesn't seem to  
be really fixing anything. Also what list??


Anyone?

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman 2 and 3

2017-04-01 Thread Dave McGuire


On 03/30/2017 08:35 PM, Barry Warsaw wrote:

Interesting.  I know there's a pretty clear division between components in 3;
can the web interface run on a separate machine and point to a remote
instance of Mailman?


Yep!  It's somewhat important to keep in mind that the REST API of Core is a
fully administrative API.  It can be protected by some basic auth secrets, but
nothing more than that, so just make sure that the Core REST API isn't
published on some public IP address and you should be fine.


  Ok, very interesting.  Thank you for the explanation.  Running the 
management code on a different system is something I could probably make 
myself swallow.  I'll have to decide at some point if the additional 
coolness of 3 is worth that hassle.  From what I've seen so far, it may 
very well be.  With the exception of the Node.js silliness, Mailman 
appears to be moving in a very good direction.


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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman 2 and 3


On 03/30/2017 08:08 PM, Barry Warsaw wrote:

I'm afraid Node.js is still a requirement.


Of the web interface of course.  Technically those are optional components,
but practically speaking if you want to control Mailman 3 via the web, that's
the only option.


  Interesting.  I know there's a pretty clear division between 
components in 3; can the web interface run on a separate machine and 
point to a remote instance of Mailman?


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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman 2 and 3


On 03/30/2017 07:11 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote:

  Thinking about it some more, yes I believe it was Node.js. Apparently
Node.js isn't quite portable enough to run on SPARC.


I'm afraid Node.js is still a requirement.


  Ok.  No Mailman 3 for us. :-(  Thanks for your response.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman 2 and 3


On 03/30/2017 07:13 PM, Carl Zwanzig wrote:

  Does 3 yet run on anything other than Linux?  The last time I looked at
it, it looked to be pretty much Linux-only.  (My company's Solaris-based
mail servers aren't going away anytime soon.)


Unless v3 is different from v2 in this regard, mailman doesn't have to
run in the same OS instance as the MTA. Put mailman3 on a linux (or bsd)
box and let the existing MTAs do their thing. You will have to deal with
routing the mailman aliases to the mailman system, but that shouldn't be
difficult.


  We could set that up here, but rather than set up another VM running 
a different OS just to support Mailman 3 isn't going to happen.  We'll 
stick with 2.



OTOH, node.js is available for solaris x86 (32 & 64 bit) on the
nodejs.org site. If you're still running sparc servers aren't they
getting a bit long in the tooth?


  Just because there were SPARC servers in 1995 doesn't mean ALL SPARC 
servers are from 1995, CZ...these aren't the ones we ran at Digex. ;)


  Our T3s and T4s are reasonably new and screaming fast.  They'll get 
replaced when they're truly obsolete, rather than "salesman obsolete". 
That likely means ARM. (does Node.js run on ARM?)



(Says the person still running his backup DNS on a Pentium P90 :).)


  Hey, if it serves the requests..

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman 2 and 3


On 03/30/2017 05:27 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote:

  Does 3 yet run on anything other than Linux?  The last time I looked
at it, it looked to be pretty much Linux-only.  (My company's
Solaris-based mail servers aren't going away anytime soon.)


It should run on any *nix that supports Python 2, Python 3 and its
dependencies. I know people have built it successfully on Mac OSX, at
least for development/testing.

Are there specific issues with Solaris that you think will be problems?


  Hi!  I last looked at it about a year ago (which is a very long time 
in my world ;)) so the specifics are very fuzzy.  I believe there was a 
dependency on a biggish package that was either Linux-only or x86-only. 
Would it have been Node.js?


  Thinking about it some more, yes I believe it was Node.js. 
Apparently Node.js isn't quite portable enough to run on SPARC.


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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman 2 and 3


On 03/30/2017 12:16 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote:

However: What is the state of Mailman 2 at the moment? I think it is
still supported and developed. But will this change in the near or in
the distant future?


Mailman 2 is definitely end of life. I am the only one actively
supporting it at this point and while I continue to offer help and fix
bugs, it's not what I want to be doing.

Mailman 3 is the future. 3.1 will be released probably after PyCon in
May if not before, and while there will still be some things "missing"
from the web admin UI (Postorius), and the migration tools for 2.1 lists
are still buggy, we think 3.1 will be a viable replacement for Mailman
2.1.


  Does 3 yet run on anything other than Linux?  The last time I looked 
at it, it looked to be pretty much Linux-only.  (My company's 
Solaris-based mail servers aren't going away anytime soon.)


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[Mailman-Users] failure to send message to list

2017-01-09 Thread Dave Stevens

This morning PST I sent a message to a mailman list called amsmembers, syslog 
output here:


Jan  9 11:44:13 web5 postfix/local[7403]: 749618E4CAF:
to=<amsmembers-cleanairplan...@web5.bcenclave.ca>,
orig_to=<amsmemb...@cleanairplan.ca>, relay=local, delay=0.44,
delays=0.18/0.01/0/0.25, dsn=2.0.0, status=sent (delivered to
command: /usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman post amsmembers)

This message has not been delivered as far as I can see (I'm a subscriber). 
I've tested another list on that server to which I'm the only subscriber and no 
luck there either. The /var/log/mailman/post logfile shows no posts after Jan 
8th, yesterday. I've restarted postfix and checked the pending admin tasks in 
mailman web interface with no pending work. Where should I look for further 
info? 

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[Mailman-Users] edit confirmation request?

2016-12-22 Thread Dave Stevens

I have a potentially large subset of users for a new list whose
firm will make difficulties about them clicking on a link in Mailman's 
confirmation request email. 

I'd like them to only have the option to reply in order to confirm. I
don't see a way to edit the confirmation email's text or,
alternatively, to turn off the clickthrough option for new
subscriptions.

Anyone know how to do this?

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Re: [Mailman-Users] logfiles description

2016-12-17 Thread Dave Stevens

On Sat, 17 Dec 2016 10:54:42 -0800
Mark Sapiro <m...@msapiro.net> wrote:

> On 12/17/2016 10:06 AM, Dave Stevens wrote:
> > 
> > I see logfiles in /var/log/mailman/en but it isn't obvious (or not
> > obvious enough anyway) what they all do. The wiki doesn't appear to
> > describe them, can anyone refer me?
> 
> 
> 
> What Mailman package is this?

I'm using virtualmin pro as a site admin and mailman is implemented as
a webmin plugin. See here:

http://www.webmin.com/plugins.html

In the plugins page in Virtualmin is a config page that allows path
configuration. 


> 
> In a default source install, Mailman's log files are in
> /usr/local/mailman/logs/ or in logs/ in the 'var_prefix' directory.
> 
> Some packages put them in /var/log/mailman/. I've never seen them in
> /var/log/mailman/en/.

mea culpa, not in ../en just in /var/log/mailman as you said

> 
> The logs Mailman writes are:
> 
> bounce - information related to automated bounce processing
> error - information and tracebacks from unanticipated exceptions
> and other error info.
> fromusenet - information about the mail<->news gateway
> locks - information about lockfile anomalies
> mischief - information about unpermitted actions such as login
>failures for lists with private rosters as these can
>be attempts to fish for list membership.
> post - information about delivered posts
> qrunner - qrunner start/stop and other status messages
> smtp - all Mailman's outgoing smtp sessions
> smtp-failure - failed outgoing smtp transactions
> subscribe - information about (un)subscriptions
> vette - information about things held for moderator approval
> and other similar events.
> 
> I just added <https://wiki.list.org/x/17892009> to the wiki with this
> info.
> 

good, thanks!

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[Mailman-Users] logfiles description

2016-12-17 Thread Dave Stevens


I see logfiles in /var/log/mailman/en but it isn't obvious (or not
obvious enough anyway) what they all do. The wiki doesn't appear to
describe them, can anyone refer me?

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Re: [Mailman-Users] formatting issue? [solved]

2016-12-12 Thread Dave Stevens

On Sun, 11 Dec 2016 19:28:50 -0800
Dave Stevens <g...@uniserve.com> wrote:

> I'm trying to subscribe to a list by sending to 
> -requ...@domain.tld with a blank subject line and then two
> subscribe commands in the body, like this
> 
> subscribe=addr...@domain.tld
> subscribe=phonenum...@phoneprovider.com
> 
> the second command phonenumber is formatted as nnn-nnn-
> 
> Mailman rejects the second line saying "unprocessed" I don't know why.
> Do I need to use a different format?
> 
> Dave
> 
> 
sorry for the noise, there was a previous error processing commands

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[Mailman-Users] formatting issue?

2016-12-11 Thread Dave Stevens

I'm trying to subscribe to a list by sending to 
-requ...@domain.tld with a blank subject line and then two
subscribe commands in the body, like this

subscribe=addr...@domain.tld
subscribe=phonenum...@phoneprovider.com

the second command phonenumber is formatted as nnn-nnn-

Mailman rejects the second line saying "unprocessed" I don't know why.
Do I need to use a different format?

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Re: [Mailman-Users] pending status in mailman subscribe log file

2016-12-10 Thread Dave Stevens

On Sat, 10 Dec 2016 12:19:09 -0800
Mark Sapiro <m...@msapiro.net> wrote:

> On 12/10/2016 11:30 AM, Dave Stevens wrote:
> > in a new setup I have a problem with the would-be subscriber
> > sending to list-request and the /var/log/mailman/subscribe file
> > shows the request at an appropriate place with the correct info and
> > status "pending"  
> 
> 
> A confirmation request email was sent and Mailman is waiting for the
> user's confirmation.
> 
> 
> > The user has not received a verification email. Where should I look
> > to see what has happened? I've checked the mailman administration
> > page for that list and see no pending admin tasks. Mailman 2.1.16
> > on a ubuntu 14.04 system.  
> 
> 
> Look in the system's mail log for the disposition of the confirmation
> request (very close in time to the subscribe log message). Most
> likely, it will have been sent and accepted by the MX for the user's
> domain.
> 
> If so, the user should look in the her spam folder.
> 
> Other possibilities are the user's ISP silently discarded or rejected
> the message after accepting it. In the latter case there should be a
> DSN logged in your mail log and possibly something in Mailman's
> bounce log.
> 
> All this assumes nothing seriously wrong happened in Mailman, but if
> it did, there should be something in Mailman's error log.
> 

very good, I'll check those places. Thanks a lot!

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[Mailman-Users] pending status in mailman subscribe log file

2016-12-10 Thread Dave Stevens

in a new setup I have a problem with the would-be subscriber sending to
list-request and the /var/log/mailman/subscribe file shows the request
at an appropriate place with the correct info and status "pending"

The user has not received a verification email. Where should I look to
see what has happened? I've checked the mailman administration page for
that list and see no pending admin tasks. Mailman 2.1.16 on a ubuntu
14.04 system.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] subscribe to mailman for someone else

2016-11-16 Thread Dave Stevens


Quoting Mark Sapiro <m...@msapiro.net>:


On 11/16/2016 01:44 PM, Dave Stevens wrote:


sorry not to have been more specific Mark, but what you say is in fact
very close and may be what I want, I'll need to do a test. When you say
above send a message with the command, where is the command? in the
subject line? or body?



Either one.

Mail sent to the LISTNAME-request address is processed as follows:

If the Subject: contains a valid command or a valid command preceded by
a single 'word' such as Re:, Fwd:, etc., that command is processed.
Otherwise the Subject: is ignored.

Then, regardless of the Subject:, Mailman continues to process body
lines from the first text/plain part in the message as commands until
one of the following occurs:

1) a non-blank line does not contain a valid command or
2) an 'end' command is processed or
3) a total of DEFAULT_MAIL_COMMANDS_MAX_LINES (default = 25) including
   blank lines is seen or
4) the end of the message part is reached.

Thus, with the default DEFAULT_MAIL_COMMANDS_MAX_LINES = 25 not
overridden in mm_cfg.py, you could send up to 26 subscribe commands, one
in the Subject: and 25 in the body, in one message.

Send a 'help' command to the LISTNAME-request address for more info on
email commands.


will do, thanks very much!

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Re: [Mailman-Users] subscribe to mailman for someone else

2016-11-16 Thread Dave Stevens

On Wed, 16 Nov 2016 12:49:34 -0800
Mark Sapiro <m...@msapiro.net> wrote:

> On 11/16/2016 11:17 AM, Dave Stevens wrote:
> > I have a web form that gathers user data, including their email
> > address for the purpose of, among other things, subscribing them to
> > a mailman list. I don't see how to do this. Is it possible? This is
> > for people who already want to be on the list. Confirmation as
> > usual to the new subscriber. Mailman 2.1.16  
> 
> 
> It's difficult to answer without knowing how you do subscribes, but if
> you do them by email commands, you can send a message to
> listname-requ...@example.com with the command
> 
> subscribe [password] [digest|nodigest] [address=]
> 
>   Subscribe to this mailing list.  Your password must be given to
>   unsubscribe or change your options, but if you omit the password,
> one will be generated for you.  You may be periodically reminded of
> your password.
> 
>   The next argument may be either: `nodigest' or `digest' (no
> quotes!). If you wish to subscribe an address other than the address
> you sent this request from, you may specify `address=' (no
> brackets around the email address, and no quotes!)
> 
> And, there are various web ways to do it. See
> <https://wiki.list.org/x/4030648>.
> 
> If this isn't what you're looking for, blease be more specific as to
> how you want to do this.

sorry not to have been more specific Mark, but what you say is in fact
very close and may be what I want, I'll need to do a test. When you say
above send a message with the command, where is the command? in the
subject line? or body?

Dave

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[Mailman-Users] subscribe to mailman for someone else

2016-11-16 Thread Dave Stevens

I have a web form that gathers user data, including their email  
address for the purpose of, among other things, subscribing them to a  
mailman list. I don't see how to do this. Is it possible? This is for  
people who already want to be on the list. Confirmation as usual to  
the new subscriber. Mailman 2.1.16


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[Mailman-Users] Making a Case for Upgrading MailMan from 2.1.17

2016-06-23 Thread Dave Nathanson

I'd like some help in making a case to convince my hosting company to upgrade 
from Mailman 2.1.17. 

I run several email lists for clubs, these are discussion lists that get up to 
20 messages per day, and include up to 150 members. Replies are directed back 
to the list. 

My primary issue with MM 2.1.17 is about list messages from members who don't 
have their human names configured into their email clients, resulting in a list 
message from an unknown. It is just from "via listname <listn...@example.com>" 
Since I'm still stuck on 2.1.17. I don't know what I am missing in the newer 
versions. I just know that it's been over 2 years since 2.1.17 which has an 
annoying omission due the the whole DEMARC thing. 

What are the advantages of upgrading beyond 2.1.17? 
How best to make a good case to convince them to upgrade their MailMan?
What version should I ask for? 

Thanks! 
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Text "Reappears" when MBox Archive Rebuilt

2015-11-30 Thread Dave Arndt

On Mon, Nov 30, 2015 at 4:15 PM, Mark Sapiro  wrote:

>
> Exactly what did you do at this step. If you used bin/arch did you use
> the --wipe option. If not, you didn't remove anything from an existing
> archive
>

Hi Mark,

Thanks for the speedy reply.  The steps were as outlined.  As for the last
step...

I did not do the rebuild myself - but I would assume they just ran bin/arch

How would the text re-appear if it was removed, as per step #1?

in other words, How would the text still be in the file after removing it,
and it doesn't appear with grep?
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[Mailman-Users] Text "Reappears" when MBox Archive Rebuilt

2015-11-30 Thread Dave Arndt

This is an odd one. I'm hoping there's a straight forward answer:

1) I edited our mbox archive (with vi) to remove some offensive content.
(x, xx)

2) Saved the file.

3) Did a *grep* on the text that was removed - not found.

4) Uploaded the mbox file to a brand new server

5) Rebuilt the html archives using that mbox file.

The text that was deleted in step #1 appears in the newly generated HTML
archives!!!

How could this be possible?

Out of paranoia I went back to the mbox file that I uploaded, grep'd again
- and also loaded the file into vi and searched for any of the text that
was removed.  Not found.

Any ideas?  This seems really, really strange.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Text "Reappears" when MBox Archive Rebuilt

2015-11-30 Thread Dave Arndt

In this case, there are NO existing HTML files.  It's being rebuilt on a
brand new installation.

I also just heard from the person managing the site that they did use the
--wipe option (so I guess that's all moot).

The mystery is this:  How is it possible to edit out text from an mbox
file, verify that it is NOT there with grep, then see it reappear in the
resulting html file when bin/arch is run?

It's almost as if editing the file with VI left the original text and only
hid it with escape sequences or something.

Whatever it is... the mbox file that got uploaded to the new site HAD to
have had the original text, even though that text does not show up with
when running grep against that same mbox file (and is also not visible when
editing the same file with VI)...

Strange.






On Mon, Nov 30, 2015 at 5:03 PM, Mark Sapiro <m...@msapiro.net> wrote:

> On 11/30/2015 01:22 PM, Dave Arndt wrote:
> >
> > I did not do the rebuild myself - but I would assume they just ran
> bin/arch
> >
> > How would the text re-appear if it was removed, as per step #1?
> >
> > in other words, How would the text still be in the file after removing
> > it, and it doesn't appear with grep?
>
>
> If you have an existing HTML archive and the corresponding .mbox, and
> you run bin/arch without --wipe, every message in the mbox will be added
> to the HTML archive, but they won't be indexed because the Message-IDs
> are duplicates.
>
> For example if there are a total of 10 messages in the archive, the HTML
> messages will have names like 00.html, 01.html, ...,
> 09.html. If you then run bin/arch without --wipe, you will add files
> 10.html, 11,html, ..., 19.html which may or may not be a bit
> different if you modified the mbox. Now, when the archiver added say
> 10.html, its Message-ID is the same as that of 00.html, so it
> won't be indexed and the index will still point to 00.html.
>
> The answer is if you want to rebuild and archive and not just add to it,
> you have to use --wipe to remove the existing HTML archive before adding.
>
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[Mailman-Users] command listinfo not in docroot (10005)

After installing mailman (with yum), I get an error when attempting to
access the listinfo page:

"Internal Server Error"


Inspecting the logs in httpd, I see this in suexec-log:

command listinfo not in docroot (10005)

I do NOT have the option of disabling suexec.

After considerable time spent looking into this, it seems that I need to
have mailman installed under "DocumentRoot", which on my host appears to be
/var/www/html

Further reading indicates that i cannot use the "installroot" option on yum
to change the installation root directory, UNLESS I've created my own
custom RPM.  That rules that out.

So now, I'm resorting to 100% manual installation...

My questions are:

1) Am I taking the right approach in solving this problem?  That is, by
installing under docroot, will it address the Apache suexec problem we're
seeing?

2) If docroot is /var/www/html, do i create the mailman directory
*directly* beneath the /var/www.html folder?  i.e. - /var/www.html/mailman
(that just doesn't seem right...?)

Is there some other way to solve this problem?  (Very difficult package to
get installed and running, unless your a huge linux/mailman guru, I
guess...)

Thanks,

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Re: [Mailman-Users] command listinfo not in docroot (10005)

PS: The symlink does indeed point to the correct mailman cgi folder:

/usr/lib/mailman/cgi-bin

/var/www.html/mailman-cgi-bin

Both of these folders have:

admin admindb confim create edithtml listinfo options private rmlist roster
subscribe



On Sat, Nov 28, 2015 at 12:35 PM, Dave Arndt <d...@3rdvalve.net> wrote:

> More info on this:
>
> I added a symlink under "DocumentRoot" (which is specified as
> /var/www/html on my system), so the link is  "/var/www/html/
> *mailman-cgi-bin*" , and added a ScriptAlias in httpd.conf to point there:
>
> ScriptAlias /*mailman*/ "/var/www/html/*mailman-cgi-bin*/"
>
> After adding the alias, I restarted apache: "apachectl restart"
>
> Still no luck.
>
> When I attempt to access the ~/*mailman*/listinfo page, I still get the
> "InternalAccessError" and this line in suexec_log:
>
> "command listinfo not in docroot (10005)"
>
> What could I being doing wrong here?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sat, Nov 28, 2015 at 11:30 AM, Dave Arndt <d...@3rdvalve.net> wrote:
>
>> After installing mailman (with yum), I get an error when attempting to
>> access the listinfo page:
>>
>> "Internal Server Error"
>>
>>
>> Inspecting the logs in httpd, I see this in suexec-log:
>>
>> command listinfo not in docroot (10005)
>>
>> I do NOT have the option of disabling suexec.
>>
>> After considerable time spent looking into this, it seems that I need to
>> have mailman installed under "DocumentRoot", which on my host appears to be
>> /var/www/html
>>
>> Further reading indicates that i cannot use the "installroot" option on
>> yum to change the installation root directory, UNLESS I've created my own
>> custom RPM.  That rules that out.
>>
>> So now, I'm resorting to 100% manual installation...
>>
>> My questions are:
>>
>> 1) Am I taking the right approach in solving this problem?  That is, by
>> installing under docroot, will it address the Apache suexec problem we're
>> seeing?
>>
>> 2) If docroot is /var/www/html, do i create the mailman directory
>> *directly* beneath the /var/www.html folder?  i.e. - /var/www.html/mailman
>> (that just doesn't seem right...?)
>>
>> Is there some other way to solve this problem?  (Very difficult package
>> to get installed and running, unless your a huge linux/mailman guru, I
>> guess...)
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> - da
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [Mailman-Users] command listinfo not in docroot (10005)

On Sat, Nov 28, 2015 at 12:43 PM, Laura Creighton  wrote:

> selinux


Running "getenforce" returns "Disabled"
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Re: [Mailman-Users] command listinfo not in docroot (10005)

More info on this:

I added a symlink under "DocumentRoot" (which is specified as /var/www/html
on my system), so the link is  "/var/www/html/*mailman-cgi-bin*" , and
added a ScriptAlias in httpd.conf to point there:

ScriptAlias /*mailman*/ "/var/www/html/*mailman-cgi-bin*/"

After adding the alias, I restarted apache: "apachectl restart"

Still no luck.

When I attempt to access the ~/*mailman*/listinfo page, I still get the
"InternalAccessError" and this line in suexec_log:

"command listinfo not in docroot (10005)"

What could I being doing wrong here?







On Sat, Nov 28, 2015 at 11:30 AM, Dave Arndt <d...@3rdvalve.net> wrote:

> After installing mailman (with yum), I get an error when attempting to
> access the listinfo page:
>
> "Internal Server Error"
>
>
> Inspecting the logs in httpd, I see this in suexec-log:
>
> command listinfo not in docroot (10005)
>
> I do NOT have the option of disabling suexec.
>
> After considerable time spent looking into this, it seems that I need to
> have mailman installed under "DocumentRoot", which on my host appears to be
> /var/www/html
>
> Further reading indicates that i cannot use the "installroot" option on
> yum to change the installation root directory, UNLESS I've created my own
> custom RPM.  That rules that out.
>
> So now, I'm resorting to 100% manual installation...
>
> My questions are:
>
> 1) Am I taking the right approach in solving this problem?  That is, by
> installing under docroot, will it address the Apache suexec problem we're
> seeing?
>
> 2) If docroot is /var/www/html, do i create the mailman directory
> *directly* beneath the /var/www.html folder?  i.e. - /var/www.html/mailman
> (that just doesn't seem right...?)
>
> Is there some other way to solve this problem?  (Very difficult package to
> get installed and running, unless your a huge linux/mailman guru, I
> guess...)
>
> Thanks,
>
> - da
>
>
>
>
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Installing Mailman

2015-11-24 Thread Dave Arndt

On Tue, Nov 24, 2015 at 12:41 PM, Stephen J. Turnbull <step...@xemacs.org>
wrote:

> Dave Arndt writes:
>
>  > So this list is version specific?  I though it was a mailman users
>  > list (in general).
>
> No, and yes.  People are welcome to discuss Mailman 3 here.  But
> Mailman 3 is not yet widely deployed, so there is little experience
> with it on this list.  Eventually Mailman 3 will be user-supported...
>

Then... would the install and the "basics" be that different?

I had tried installing a different version of Mailman earlier (2) and had
the same issues I'm having now.
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Installing Mailman

2015-11-24 Thread Dave Arndt

On Tue, Nov 24, 2015 at 2:59 AM, Mark Sapiro <m...@msapiro.net> wrote:

> On 11/23/15 1:34 PM, Dave Arndt wrote:
> > I'm trying to install Mailman 3.0 on CentOS 7.1
>
>
> Questions about Mailman 3 and particularly Postorius and Hyperkitty are
> better posted to the mailman-develop...@python.org list
> <http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-developers>. Please
> join that list if you are not already a member and post there.
>
> The people working most closely with MM 3 are much more likely to read
> your post on mailman-developers. We will soon have a
> mailman3-us...@mailman3.org list (running on MM 3 of course), but there
> are still infrastructure issues to work out before that list will be
> operational.
>
>
So this list is version specific?  I though it was a mailman users list (in
general).

Thanks for the info.  I'll look elsewhere.

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[Mailman-Users] Installing Mailman

2015-11-23 Thread Dave Arndt

I'm trying to install Mailman 3.0 on CentOS 7.1

checking Mailman status, it shows that its "running".

To test the installation, I'm trying to access

http://domain.com/mailman/listinfo

I receive a "500 Internal Server Error".

How do I determine what's wrong?  Which logs should I look at?

Where can I find truly comprehensive documentation?  All the installation
docs  I've found online seem to be just a little bit different - and none
of them provide insight on troubleshooting problems like the one above.

Thanks in advance for your insight.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] What would your dream Mailman web interface look like?

2015-04-08 Thread Dave Stevens


Quoting Adam McGreggor adam-mail...@amyl.org.uk:


On Thu, Apr 09, 2015 at 02:31:50AM +0900, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote:

  The Justice Department has already said that the web is a place of
  public accommodation, and the ADA applies.  It is only a matter of
  time before they issue specific regulations.  So, in the near
  future, anyone producing publicly facing web sites will need to do
  this!

No, they won't -- they can always shut down.  And I suspect that's
exactly what will happen to most volunteer sites if they try to apply
the ADA standards to them.  I can't be happy about that.  I live in
Japan, and I assure you that public policies that equalize benefits by
reducing the average suck -- especially for the less-well-off.


Apropos to that, the US DoJ doesn't really have much effect in
jurisdictions outside of the US. I do wish we wouldn't be so
parochial.


Really, you accessibility advocates should be looking for
opportunities to organize this kind of effort.


+1


A few real lists are running with Mailman 3 + Postorius +
HyperKitty already,


are those apps ADA-compliant?

Dave


 and I'm pretty sure there are a couple of demo

sites.


At least one has been posted to one of the lists; possibly
-developers.


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Re: [Mailman-Users] What would your dream Mailman web interface look like?

2015-04-07 Thread Dave Stevens


Quoting Bill Cole mailmanu-20150...@billmail.scconsult.com:


On 6 Apr 2015, at 20:02, Andrew Stuart wrote:

Sounds like not working with JavaScript is something important to  
you.  What’s the thinking behind wanting to work without  
JavaScript?  Isn’t it kinda hard to navigate the modern web without  
JavaScript?


I don't know the original poster's motivations, but for me it is  
entirely practical. I work in a diverse variety of environments  
administering a complex menagerie of systems and Mailman is just one  
small piece of that. I frequently don't have a convenient modern GUI  
browser configured to my tastes/paranoias running on a network I  
trust, and it is actually more convenient for me to use a text  
browser with weak or no JS support (yes, really.) It is also an  
issue for user support, since users do work with the MM web  
interface from time to time. JS is an area where interop between  
browsers and the diverse ways users tweak them is at its worst.  
Supporting users who have found new ways for the MM web interface to  
not work because of JS subtleties sounds like at least the 6th ring  
of Hell. Also, sticking with a pure HTML client interface makes it  
easier to validate its security, e.g. a site with no scripts has no  
XSS vulnerabilities. MM isn't the sort of web application that one  
spends hours at a time using, so the slicker operation you can get  
from a JS-heavy system isn't really very valuable.


Short version: a tool like the MM web interface should minimize the  
possible failure modes even if that means sacrificing some fluidity  
of use.


+1

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Erratic mail delivery times

2014-07-21 Thread Dave Nathanson

Hi Peter,
To answer your question, Dreamhost has the *almost* newest version of MailMan 
2.1.17. They upgraded just as 2.1.18 came out and had already tested 2.1.17 so 
they went with that. And this version does have the most important DMARC 
mitigation features. So it is working for us. 

I have never had any problem with DreamHost imposing a message sending cap on 
their 1-Click installs of Mailman. I run several discussion lists there 
completely without incident, for 8 years Until this whole Yahoo/demarc 
mess. And we are back to normal. No host is perfect, but considering the low 
price  all the unlimited everything they offer, I'm very happy with mine. 
Considering the price you have been paying, you will most likely need to pay 
more to get out of this problem, but maybe not much more. 
http://www.dreamhost.com/r.cgi?250640/hosting.html

Best,
Dave Nathanson
Mac Medix


 On Jul 20, 2014, at 1:35 PM, Peter Shute psh...@nuw.org.au wrote:
 
 No, it's all hosted via cpanel. Does this mail per hour limit seem odd with 
 that sort of setup?
 
 Does dreamhost keep their mailman up to date? We're still on 2.1.15, and when 
 I asked about upgrading, they wouldn't commit to any date, only that it would 
 be more likely to be months than a month.
 
 Peter Shute
 
 Sent from my iPad
 
 On 21 Jul 2014, at 1:35 am, Dave Nathanson dave.li...@nathanson.org 
 wrote:
 
 I'm surprised that any web/email host would apply a rule intended for a 
 personal email account to a listserve. I'm guessing that you are running 
 MailMan on your own computer, then using mail server provided by your email 
 hosting company to send the messages. So to the email host, you do look like 
 a very busy personal account. 
 
 As I see it, your options include:
 
 * Discuss this limitation with your email host  see if they will waive the 
 message sending cap for your listserv.
 * Use a mailman installation hosted by your email hosting company, which is 
 not subject to a message sending cap. 
 * Changing email hosts  using a mailman installation hosted by your email 
 hosting company, which is not subject to a message sending cap. 
 
 No need to change registrars. NameCheap is a good registrar, better than 
 many. I haven't used their web/email hosting. 
 
 My email lists are all running on Mailman provided by my email host. You 
 don't even need to install it, just choose a dedicated subdomain for it to 
 run on. They do NOT limit message flow from Mailman, although they do limit 
 the number of messages per hour sent from a personal mail account. No 
 web/email host is perfect, but I'm pretty happy with DreamHost. Especially 
 for about $100 a year for more services than I can possibly use. (And I'm 
 giving it a good go!). 
 
 Here is a Dreamhost Coupon code  link that will give you $10 off now, plus 
 1 free LIFETIME domain registration. So that's a savings of about $11 a year 
 for life. MACMEDIXFREEDOM  What else is included? Tons! Check it out.
 http://www.dreamhost.com/r.cgi?250640/hosting.html
 
 Best, 
 Dave Nathanson
 Mac Medix
 
 On Jul 20, 2014, at 4:38 AM, Russell Woodford rdwoodf...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hi Peter, Mark and all
 
 I think I may have the solution now (Peter is one of our list moderators).
 My web host is now telling me that there is a 200 emails per hour limit for
 my hosting plan. We have 1140 subscribers. That means we blow the limit out
 of the water EVERY time someone posts!
 
 I'm not sure why they have taken so long to tell me this, as we've been
 running on this host for over 7 months, but it seems they throttle the
 outgoing mail volume, so it can take a while for all those recipients to
 get each message. I suppose it depends on overall server activity - if
 nothing else is happening, then maybe a new message does get straight to
 1140 recipients.
 
 Looks like we will need to shift to a new listserver and maybe even a new
 webhost - and maybe even a new domain registrar (I've had all my eggs in
 the Namecheap basket for some years now).  Somehow I don't think I am going
 to get away with this volume of mail for the $50 a year I'm currently
 paying :-(
 
 Russell Woodford
 Geelong, Australia
 birding-aus.org
 
 
 On 18 July 2014 11:20, Mark Sapiro m...@msapiro.net wrote:
 
 On 07/17/2014 05:01 PM, Peter Shute wrote:
 
 I've now enabled protocol logging on our Exchange server, a new world
 for me. I can see several possibly relevant events in yesterday's logs that
 look like this:
 2014-07-17T07:02:03.914Z,NUWVICMS2\Default NUWVICMS2,08D145520008BC68,24,
 192.168.0.36:25,192.64.112.70:38732,,550 5.7.1 Requested action not
 taken: message refused,
 
 
 This is a 550 (extended 5.7.,1) status which is a permanent failure.
 This is a bounce and will (should) not be retried by the sending server.
 
 I doubt that this specific log message has anything to do with your
 delayed messages.
 
 
 But if the antispam software is refusing the messages, how do they
 eventually get through?
 
 
 Exactly.
 
 You

Re: [Mailman-Users] Erratic mail delivery times

2014-07-20 Thread Dave Nathanson

I'm surprised that any web/email host would apply a rule intended for a 
personal email account to a listserve. I'm guessing that you are running 
MailMan on your own computer, then using mail server provided by your email 
hosting company to send the messages. So to the email host, you do look like a 
very busy personal account. 

As I see it, your options include:

* Discuss this limitation with your email host  see if they will waive the 
message sending cap for your listserv.
* Use a mailman installation hosted by your email hosting company, which is not 
subject to a message sending cap. 
* Changing email hosts  using a mailman installation hosted by your email 
hosting company, which is not subject to a message sending cap. 

No need to change registrars. NameCheap is a good registrar, better than many. 
I haven't used their web/email hosting. 

My email lists are all running on Mailman provided by my email host. You don't 
even need to install it, just choose a dedicated subdomain for it to run on. 
They do NOT limit message flow from Mailman, although they do limit the number 
of messages per hour sent from a personal mail account. No web/email host is 
perfect, but I'm pretty happy with DreamHost. Especially for about $100 a year 
for more services than I can possibly use. (And I'm giving it a good go!). 

Here is a Dreamhost Coupon code  link that will give you $10 off now, plus 1 
free LIFETIME domain registration. So that's a savings of about $11 a year for 
life. MACMEDIXFREEDOM  What else is included? Tons! Check it out.
http://www.dreamhost.com/r.cgi?250640/hosting.html

Best, 
 Dave Nathanson
 Mac Medix

On Jul 20, 2014, at 4:38 AM, Russell Woodford rdwoodf...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi Peter, Mark and all
 
 I think I may have the solution now (Peter is one of our list moderators).
 My web host is now telling me that there is a 200 emails per hour limit for
 my hosting plan. We have 1140 subscribers. That means we blow the limit out
 of the water EVERY time someone posts!
 
 I'm not sure why they have taken so long to tell me this, as we've been
 running on this host for over 7 months, but it seems they throttle the
 outgoing mail volume, so it can take a while for all those recipients to
 get each message. I suppose it depends on overall server activity - if
 nothing else is happening, then maybe a new message does get straight to
 1140 recipients.
 
 Looks like we will need to shift to a new listserver and maybe even a new
 webhost - and maybe even a new domain registrar (I've had all my eggs in
 the Namecheap basket for some years now).  Somehow I don't think I am going
 to get away with this volume of mail for the $50 a year I'm currently
 paying :-(
 
 Russell Woodford
 Geelong, Australia
 birding-aus.org
 
 
 On 18 July 2014 11:20, Mark Sapiro m...@msapiro.net wrote:
 
 On 07/17/2014 05:01 PM, Peter Shute wrote:
 
 I've now enabled protocol logging on our Exchange server, a new world
 for me. I can see several possibly relevant events in yesterday's logs that
 look like this:
 2014-07-17T07:02:03.914Z,NUWVICMS2\Default NUWVICMS2,08D145520008BC68,24,
 192.168.0.36:25,192.64.112.70:38732,,550 5.7.1 Requested action not
 taken: message refused,
 
 
 This is a 550 (extended 5.7.,1) status which is a permanent failure.
 This is a bounce and will (should) not be retried by the sending server.
 
 I doubt that this specific log message has anything to do with your
 delayed messages.
 
 
 But if the antispam software is refusing the messages, how do they
 eventually get through?
 
 
 Exactly.
 
 You could look at the logs on the 192.64.112.70 sending server to see
 what that server did with this message after it was bounced by the
 exchange server.
 
 If the Mailman server is sending directly to the exchange server and
 that is where the delays are occurring, you need to look at the MTA logs
 of the Mailman server and see what's there relevant to sending failures
 and resends.
 
 But, this thread no longer has anything to do with Mailman. Perhaps you
 could find another list/forum to discuss this that might be able to
 provide more expertise in this area.
 
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Who authored the message?

2014-05-13 Thread Dave Nathanson

Hi Mark,
We've got Mailman 2.1.17 at Dreamhost. 

List Settings:
from_is_list = Mung From
anonymous_list = No
first_strip_reply_to = Yes
reply_goes_to_list  = Explicit address
reply_to_address = almosteveryb...@example.com (without subdomain)
Include_sender_header = Yes

In this case, the message author MUA does not provide their display name, and 
the list _does_ have a real name for that person, but Mailman did not insert 
it. So after going through Mailman, the 
From header said only: Via almosteveryb...@list.example.com. 

Today I experimented with first_strip_reply_to set to No.  

This means that a reply is addressed to both the list and to previous author. 
If nodups = Yes. 
Then the previous author will get only 1 copy of the message. But the copy they 
get is the direct mail (including senders email address), not the list mail. 
When that person replies to the message, it will only go to the most recent 
previous author, not to the list. 

Maybe this is acceptable(?), since most of the time people don't reply to their 
own list messages?  

Im my experience, the majority of users are incapable of adding or deleting 
anything from the Reply-To or To field. That's why up to now, I've opted for 
the Reply-To to only contain the desired list address. 

Best, 
 Dave Nathanson
 Mac Medix

On May 12, 2014, at 9:32 PM, Mark Sapiro m...@msapiro.net wrote:

 On 05/12/2014 08:45 PM, Dave Nathanson wrote:
 
 I saw a message today sent to a list named AlmostEverybody. The message 
 author did not properly configure their MUA (Verizon webmail) with their 
 proper name, so the only identifier is their email address. Which is of 
 course now deleted as part of DEMARC compliance. Leaving us with a message 
 and no indication of who sent it. The From was merely Via 
 almosteveryb...@list.example.com. No name, no author email address. Of 
 course no sig either. 
 
 
 What Mailman version are you using? In the current version (2.1.18-1)
 you should be seeing the either the author's display name from her From:
 header or if none and From: a list member, the members real name from
 the membership list, or if none, at least the local part of the email
 address.
 
 Also, the author's original From: will be in Reply-To: in every case,
 except see bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/mailman/+bug/1318025.
 
 
 List members are unable to reply off-list to the author, and they don't even 
 know who the author is. 
 
 
 Again, what is your Mailman version and what are your Reply-To munging
 settings. In versions older than 2.1.18, I think you should still see
 the author's address in Reply-To: if first_strip_reply_to is No.
 
 
 Would it be a reasonable feature request to add the author's name  email 
 address as a X-Header? Some of us not only read the headers on a regular 
 basis, but we even configure our MUA to display certain message Headers. (My 
 favorites are Reply-To, X-Mailer, and User-Agent). 
 
 
 I don't think it's necessary. If the author's address isn't in
 Reply-To:, it should be, and the absence is a bug. Is that not sufficient?
 
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[Mailman-Users] Who authored the message?

2014-05-12 Thread Dave Nathanson

Since DEMARC we don't know who is authoring list messages anymore. 

I saw a message today sent to a list named AlmostEverybody. The message 
author did not properly configure their MUA (Verizon webmail) with their proper 
name, so the only identifier is their email address. Which is of course now 
deleted as part of DEMARC compliance. Leaving us with a message and no 
indication of who sent it. The From was merely Via 
almosteveryb...@list.example.com. No name, no author email address. Of course 
no sig either. 

List members are unable to reply off-list to the author, and they don't even 
know who the author is. 

Would it be a reasonable feature request to add the author's name  email 
address as a X-Header? Some of us not only read the headers on a regular basis, 
but we even configure our MUA to display certain message Headers. (My favorites 
are Reply-To, X-Mailer, and User-Agent). 

I'd rather not add the author's email address to the top or bottom of the 
message body, but it seems that some method of identifying the message author 
is in order. Even if depreciated, X-Headers are obviously still in use, and 
better then nothing. At the very least adding one more message header won't 
cause any complaining. 

Thoughts? 

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[Mailman-Users] Reply-To Munging - Feature Request

2014-05-09 Thread Dave Nathanson

I appreciate that the MailMan team is awesome  doing the best that can be 
expected given the new DMARC restrictions being forced on us all. Thanks guys! 

FEATURE REQUEST: 
A setting to configure the new From line. Instead of 
FROM: Author_Name via ListName listn...@lists.example.com

I want to request that MailMan let the list admin config the text after the 
author's name in the FROM line. I would use this setting to say:
FROM: Author_Name via Club Name listn...@example.com   
 * substituted test string Club Name for List Name
 * substituted explicit reply_to_address instead of list address. 

More details: 

DreamHost just installed 2.1.17 so that's what I have to work with. I don't 
know why they didn't go all the way to the newest version this week. 

My email lists are served from a sub-domain that I don't use for anything 
except lists. lists.example.com That is a given, not my option. 

I have things figured out as well as can be for my situation. 
The settings we are going to use are:
   reply_goes_to_list = Explicit address
   reply_to_address = everyb...@example.com  (as opposed to 
everyb...@lists.example.com )
   from_is_list  = Mung From
   first_strip_reply_to  = Yes

The only difference is from_is_list = Mung From. The other settings are the 
same as before DEMARC. 

This makes it almost as good as before Yahoo ruined all mailing lists 
worldwide. 


Differences before  After DEMARC
BEFORE:
FROM: Author_Name aut...@example.com
TO: ListName everyb...@example.com
REPLY-TO: ListName everyb...@example.com

We liked it like that. Everything was fine. 

AFTER DEMARC, using the best settings for us that we can:

FROM: Author_Name via ListName everyb...@lists.example.com
TO: ListName everyb...@example.com
REPLY-TO: ListName everyb...@example.com

This is *pretty good* except that 
* I don't like the via list name in the from header, even though I understand 
that is the new reality. 
* I don't like the lack of an author email address. 

I also tried: 
first_strip_reply_to  = No
But that means a normal reply will go to both the list  the author. So the 
author will get 2 copies, and I don't feel that is desirable, even though it 
seems to be the only way to include the author's email address. 

FEATURE REQUEST: 
A setting to control the new From line. Instead of FROM: Author_Name via 
ListName everyb...@lists.example.com
I want to request that it offer the option to let the list admin config what 
goes there after the author's name. I would use this setting to say:
FROM: Author_Name via Club Name everyb...@example.com   
  substituted Club Name for List Name, and used 
  explicit reply_to_address instead of list address. 

Best, 
 Dave Nathanson
 Mac Medix

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Re: [Mailman-Users] count members?

2014-05-08 Thread Dave Smith


from a command line in the mailman/bin directory

-bash-4.1$ ./list_members LISTNAME | wc -l
2



On 05/08/2014 02:43 AM, Sylvain Viart wrote:

document.write('927');

Hi,

Is there some simple way to just get a counter of the number member 
subscribed in a list?


So it can be put back in some html content.

I've a script for another tool which outputs JavaScript for example:

document.write('927');


(not related, searching the word counter gave me this page : 
http://wiki.list.org/display/~valium I suppose you can safely remove it)



Regards,
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[Mailman-Users] missing mailman archive

2014-02-10 Thread Dave Stevens

I've got a Centos install and used virtualmin to set up the mailman  
service - it was included in the default install and worked fine. The  
server hosts about ten domains, providing web pages and mail,  
including lists with mailman.


For one domain only the mail isn't being archived. Attachments to  
mails are. I find this pretty weird and have looked around but to no  
avail - clicking through on the usual footer link on list mails leads  
correctly to a folder for attachments but no mail bodies.


As far as I can see the options are specified correctly to archive  
mail, but it isn't happening.


I don't know where to look. Ideas?

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[Mailman-Users] bounce processing / bounce score

2013-07-05 Thread Dave Blakemore

I am trying to determine how many bounces are occurring and to who, but
cannot figure out where to look.

 

Specifically I have one user who is not receiving notes and I am wondering
if it is at her end or mine.

 

I went to the administrator panel, the 2 most obvious possibilities seemed
to be bounce processing and membership management but could not find
anything.

 

How can I see bounced mail? 

 

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[Mailman-Users] Gmail RFC 2822

2013-05-15 Thread Dave Jones

I am not sure the best place to solve this problem but I will start with
this list since the problem is impacting a heavy traffic mailman listserv.

Google recently started enforcing only a single From: header in RFC2822
causing bounces to members of a very heavy traffic list.  A single person
with bad mail client configuration is getting all of the Google Apps
recipients removed from a list frequently.

Postfix log entry:

May  15  8:49:57 list01 postfix/smtp[27955]: 35C865058D2: to=
jsm...@example.com, relay=aspmx.l.google.com[74.125.137.27]:25, delay=3.1,
delays=0.07/2.3/0.03/0.61, dsn=5.7.1, status=bounced (host
aspmx.l.google.com[74.125.137.27] said: 550-5.7.1 [126.24.19.8  11] Our
system has detected that this message is not 550-5.7.1 RFC 2822 compliant.
To reduce the amount of spam sent to Gmail, this 550-5.7.1 message has been
blocked. Please review 550 5.7.1 RFC 2822 specifications for more
information. f47si18577759yhf.187 - gsmtp (in reply to end of DATA command))

http://webapps.stackexchange.com/questions/42771/emails-sent-to-gmail-domain-suddenly-not-rfc-2822-compliant-possible-to-bypass

My question is can Mailman strip out the duplicate From: headers leaving
the first one?  I have searched for a Postfix solution with no luck.  I
guess I could work up a procmail solution for all inbound mail but really
didn't want to add that layer of complexity if it could be handled by
Postfix or Mailman.

Thanks,
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[Mailman-Users] HELP

2013-05-03 Thread Dave Foran

I have an issue and I am confused on how to fix the problem

 

I have root access and I can not create a  new list from the web site

 

Any ideas 

 

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[Mailman-Users] Mail going out to only 1 member

2012-10-17 Thread Dave Jones

I have a list named supt with 252 members that received an email that
only went out to 1 recipient.  After looking at the mailman smtp logs, I am
seeing a number of lists that are only sending to a single recipient but
have dozens to hundreds of members.  Nothing is showing up in the post
log for these problem lists.  How do I troubleshoot this deeper?  I still
have many lists that seem to be working properly and actually have entries
in the post log.

Postfix maillog
===
Oct 10 10:36:12 lists postfix/qmgr[11957]: B1E055055B7:
from=prvs=16239220b8=abc@theirdomain.com, size=95926, nrcpt=1 (queue
active)
Oct 10 10:36:12 lists postfix/local[14994]: B1E055055B7: to=
s...@lists.mydomain.com, relay=local, delay=0.13, delays=0.02/0/0/0.12,
dsn=2.0.0, status=sent (delivered to command: /usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman
post supt)

Mailman smtp log

Oct 10 10:36:15 2012 (15296) 
mailman.550.1349883373.15294.s...@lists.mydomain.com smtp to supt for 1
recips, completed in 0.022 seconds

# list_members supt | wc -l
252
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mail going out to only 1 member

2012-10-17 Thread Dave Jones

On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 11:48 AM, Mark Sapiro m...@msapiro.net wrote:

 Dave Jones wrote:

 I have a list named supt with 252 members that received an email that
 only went out to 1 recipient.
 [...]
 Postfix maillog
 ===
 Oct 10 10:36:12 lists postfix/qmgr[11957]: B1E055055B7:
 from=prvs=16239220b8=abc@theirdomain.com, size=95926, nrcpt=1
 (queue
 active)
 Oct 10 10:36:12 lists postfix/local[14994]: B1E055055B7: to=
 s...@lists.mydomain.com, relay=local, delay=0.13, delays=0.02/0/0/0.12,
 dsn=2.0.0, status=sent (delivered to command:
 /usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman
 post supt)
 
 Mailman smtp log
 
 Oct 10 10:36:15 2012 (15296) 
 mailman.550.1349883373.15294.s...@lists.mydomain.com smtp to supt for 1
 recips, completed in 0.022 seconds
 
 # list_members supt | wc -l
 252


 What does

 list_members -r -n enabled supt | wc -l

 show? If it shows more than 1, is there anything in the list's
 Non-digest options - regular_exclude_lists?

 It could be the case that in the above logs, the post was held,
 discarded or rejected and the one smtp message was a notification.
 What's in Mailman's vette log for this time?

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# list_members -r -n enabled supt | wc -l
252

The regular_exclude_lists field is blank.

The vette log has nothing at this time period.  It skips from Oct 10
10:26:50 to 10:42.20.
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Re: [Mailman-Users] A simple unsubscribe

2012-06-29 Thread Dave Dewey


Quoting Brian Canty (bca...@apsa.org):

 Hello - I was wondering if anyone has a way to provide subscribers a
 simple and easy way to unsubscribe from a mailing list.  I do not
 provide passwords, so I was wondering if there is a simple enter your
 email address box that I can include on a link in my footers?

Wouldn't that allow anyone to enter any email address in that box
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Re: [Mailman-Users] AOL redacts user addresses even with VERP and full personalization enabled

2012-06-19 Thread Dave (FitEyes)

On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 6:51 PM, William Yardley
mail...@veggiechinese.netwrote:

 On Sat, Jun 16, 2012 at 11:58:46PM -0500, Lindsay Haisley wrote:
  I have no idea why AOL wants to make it difficult for list
  administrators to unsubscribe people who don't want to be subscribed
  and who complain to AOL about list posts being spam.

 To prevent listwashing or retaliation, for one thing, and also to
 protect (to some extent) their users' privacy. I think the point of the
 FBL is more to alert you to problems on your network, than to assist you
 in listwashing. Yes, people will click the report spam link by
 accident occasionally, but probably not often enough to get you flagged
 as a spam source if your lists are genuinely legitimate, and use a
 closed-loop confirmation process.


Is this true? We had one AOL member flag almost 50 of our list's messages
as spam today. This person joined us in December 2011. He/she joined via
the website and confirmed via email, but then he didn't actively post to
the list and we didn't hear a single thing from him/her until today --
then, wham, almost 50 abuse reports from this one person today.

We unsubscribed the person today.

Do today's 50 abuse reports really have insufficient power to damage our
reputation?

Could this person continue to mark large numbers of our lists messages as
spam without it affecting our reputation or our ability to deliver to AOL
users who want to receive our messages? Before we figured out how to
identify and remove such people, they would just continue to mark our
messages as spam every single day. That won't hurt our reputation over time?



I haven't been on an AOL FBL for a long time, but does the munging in
 question remove the queue-ID and message-ID? Otherwise, it should be
 very simple to find the subscriber by looking at your own logs.



That's what we are doing now. But it is only possible if you VERP every
message and have accessible logs. There was earlier discussion about the
fact that these abuse reports can relate to very old messages and those
logs may have been archived or removed.
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Re: [Mailman-Users] AOL redacts user addresses even with VERP and full personalization enabled

2012-06-19 Thread Dave (FitEyes)

On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 8:17 PM, Russell Clemings rclemi...@gmail.comwrote:

 I'm surprised to read in this thread that the terms of service for AOL's
 feedback loop forbid us from using its reports to identify users.

 The page where you sign up for the FBL seems to say just the opposite (end
 of third paragraph):

 We suggest using opaque identifiers for the email recipient or a custom
 remove link in the body of the email to help you identify the original
 recipient of the message.

 http://postmaster.aol.com/Postmaster.FeedbackLoop.php


Way to embarrass all of us who didn't take the time to actually read the
TOS! ;-)

Now that you motivated me, I actually read the blog post too:
http://postmaster-blog.aol.com/2008/08/13/more-on-the-upcoming-feedback-loop-conversion/

It now seems pretty clear that we can use these reports in the way Lindsay
and others have proposed.

Thanks!
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Re: [Mailman-Users] AOL redacts user addresses even with VERP and full personalization enabled

2012-06-19 Thread Dave (FitEyes)

On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 8:55 PM, Lindsay Haisley fmouse-mail...@fmp.comwrote:

 On Tue, 2012-06-19 at 20:42 -0400, Dave (FitEyes) wrote:
  Now that you motivated me, I actually read the blog post too:
 
 http://postmaster-blog.aol.com/2008/08/13/more-on-the-upcoming-feedback-loop-conversion/
 
  It now seems pretty clear that we can use these reports in the way
  Lindsay and others have proposed.
 
 Well if this is so, are they still redacting the VERP recipient
 addresses?


Yes.
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Clearing Bounce Scores Globally

2012-06-07 Thread Dave (FitEyes)

How about something like this code?


Clear (erase) bounce statistics (scores) for all members (intended to be
used with the optional domain parameter only)
Modified from original reset_bounce.py by Mark Sapiro.

Save as bin/clear_bounce_info.py

Run via

   bin/withlist -r clear_bounce_info listname [options]
   bin/withlist -r clear_bounce_info listname --domain=example.com--verbose

or

   bin/withlist -a -r clear_bounce_info -- [options]

to do all lists.


Options:
-d domain
--domain=domain
Only reset those users with addresses in domain.

-v
--verbose
Print line for each member changed and a summary with total number
of users reset.


import sys
import getopt

from Mailman import MemberAdaptor

def usage(code, msg=''):
if code:
fd = sys.stderr
else:
fd = sys.stdout
print  fd, __doc__
if msg:
print  fd, msg
sys.exit(code)

def clear_bounce_info(mlist, *args):

try:
opts, args = getopt.getopt(args, 'd:v', ['domain=', 'verbose'])
except getopt.error, msg:
usage(1, msg)

verbose = 0
domain = None
for opt, arg in opts:
if opt in ('-d', '--domain'):
domain = arg.lower()
elif opt in ('-v', '--verbose'):
verbose = 1

if not mlist.Locked():
mlist.Lock()
count = 0
for member in mlist.getMembers():
if domain and not member.endswith(domain):
continue
del mlist.bounce_info[member]
count += 1
if verbose:
print 'list: %s - bounce info deleted for %s' %
(mlist.internal_name(), member)
mlist.Save()
mlist.Unlock()
if verbose:
print 'List %s: Reset %d bouncing members.' % (mlist.real_name,
count)


On Thu, Jun 7, 2012 at 11:49 AM, Barry S, Finkel bsfin...@att.net wrote:

 On 6/7/2012 10:23 AM, Terry Earley wrote:

 We need to clear/reset bounce stats for Yahoo members on our list. we
 modified Mark Sapiro's script at:
 http://www.msapiro.net/**scripts/reset_bounce.pyhttp://www.msapiro.net/scripts/reset_bounce.py
 to modify only Yahoo email addresses, but it cleared only 2 that had been
 bouncing. That squares with the comment at top:

  Enable delivery for all bouncing members.

  is there a way to make it clear bounce stats for all (in this case
 Yahoo)
 to avoid these members from going over threshold? If not, we could run the
 script after we get the admin notice that they are set to nomail for
 bounces.

  If I understand what you want, I believe you change:

if mlist.getDeliveryStatus(**member) == MemberAdaptor.BYBOUNCE:
mlist.setDeliveryStatus(**member, MemberAdaptor.ENABLED)
count += 1
 by removing the if line and un-indenting the next two lines.  This will
 set all addresses in the domain to ENABLED.  But, I believe, this will no
 do
 exactly what you want, because you are not resetting the bounce score.
 If a yahoo.com subscriber has a bounce score of 4, then setting

 MemberAdaptor,ENABLED

 will be resetting the value to what it already is, and the next bounce
 will (if the bounce score trigger is the default 5.0) will set BYBOUNCE.
 I have not looked at the code to see if setting ENABLED also resets
 the bounce score back to 0.
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[Mailman-Users] understanding Yahoo's email temporarily deferred due to user complaints

2012-06-07 Thread Dave (FitEyes)

We received the following message from Yahoo. We want to understand what
happened and how to resolve it.

somelistmem...@yahoo.com: delivery temporarily suspended: host
mta5.am0.yahoodns.net[209.191.88.254] refused to talk to me: 421 4.7.0
[TS01] Messages from OUR_IP_ADDRESS temporarily deferred due to user
complaints - 4.16.55.1;
see http://postmaster.yahoo.com/421-ts01.html

The message has an attachment named noname.eml (as well as a details.txt
file). We are assuming this noname.eml is the triggering email (maybe the
one that was complained about). (BTW, it was not spam.)

This first response from Yahoo listed (in details.txt) 150 out of about 600
total Yahoo members on our list. These were the email addresses that we
could not send to for 4 hours. There were 4 subsequent similar messages
(each with a noname.eml attachment) from Yahoo (so 5 in total) and now this
affects 450 out of 600 Yahoo members on our list.

Among these five different noname.eml attachments, four were the exact same
message. So there were only two different emails. Both were from the same
author -- and the message is *not* spam.

It appears that only messages from this member are problematic (but our
sample size is small -- just 2 distinct messages -- and we're doing a lot
of guessing).

I don't see any problem with the triggering message, although the
attachment (noname.eml) has incomplete headers -- our usual DKIM signature
and SPF pass are missing. Apparently, the attachment includes only a
subset of the headers. I'm subscribed to the list and when I view this
email (the version I received directly from the list), the full headers
show a valid DKIM signature from our list, SPF pass, and all the other
expected headers. So it appears to me that there is nothing wrong with
the message that triggered this action.

It appears that Yahoo suspends emails to that server for four hours.

http://help.yahoo.com/kb/index?page=contenty=PROD_MAIL_MLlocale=en_USid=S
LN3434impressions=truehttp://help.yahoo.com/kb/index?page=contenty=PROD_MAIL_MLlocale=en_USid=SLN3434impressions=true

Their solution is to wait for four hours. That doesn't seem to be enough
in this case, as this issue has continued for two days and is growing. We
want to resolve this properly (but we don't know what action to take).

Unfortunately, our understanding of this and attempts to resolve it are
complicated by the fact that there appears to be a 5 day delay. We have
gotten these notices for the last two days, but they apparently are
triggered by a message originating from our list 5 days prior to each
notice.

The member in question has sent about six more (non-spam) messages to our
list in the last few days, so we expect more of these messages from Yahoo
in coming days. Again, we don't know how to resolve this yet.

Our proposed course of action is:

- since our list is completely moderated, we will hold all messages from
this single triggering member (until we understand the problem).
- temporarily *remove all our valid Yahoo members from our list*.
Unsubscribe them and leave them unsubscribed until this runs its course (a
few more days at least) or we figure out a solution and resolve it properly.
- maintain the list of removed but valid Yahoo members and re-subscribe
them once we resolve this issue.
- do not allow any new yahoo.com members to join the list until we
resolve this issue.
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Re: [Mailman-Users] understanding Yahoo's email temporarily deferred due to user complaints

2012-06-07 Thread Dave (FitEyes)

Thanks Andrew. I'm going to top-post my reply because I think it may be
clearer to do so.

Yes, we are signed up for Yahoo's feedback loop (since we started the
list), but we are still having this problem. We are not on Yahoo's
whitelist (yet). Our domain is not on any of the 100+ blacklists we monitor
daily.

We do DKIM sign all messages from our list (and our SPF and rDNS records
are in place too).

We have full personalization enabled on the server, but personalize
(nondigest) is set to NO on this list. We could use it if it would help
with this issue.

We run postfix (on Ubuntu 12.04).

This looks relevant, but it is from 2008. Is it worth changing the postfix
config as explained below?

See from:
http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2008-February/060476.html
to: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2008-February/060485.html
(I didn't find any other info on this topic.)

Rick Harris wrote:
 Thanks for your reply.  I understand that ultimately it is a Yahoo problem
 and ultimately something that will never be cured.  I was hoping since I
 only run one small list that there was a magic switch that I could flip
 that would get past Yahoo.

 Rick Harris


Rick, the last time Yahoo did this was in December, and I spent a week
trying to contact someone there with a pulse,
tried getting added to their whitelist, filled in forms, read their
automated responses, etc.
After about two weeks, the deferrals went away. Until now.
Even with my postfix configured for a slow Yahoo, as in the following,
I still have 2600 Yahoo deferrals in my retry queue.

postfix/master.cf
yahoo unix  -   -   n   -   1   smtp

postfix/main.cf
yahoo_destination_recipient_limit = 5# matches Yahoo's limit
yahoo_destination_concurreny_limit = 2

postfix/transport
yahoo.cayahoo:
yahoo.com   yahoo:
(with subsequent 'postmap transport')



On Thu, Jun 7, 2012 at 1:48 PM, Andrew Hodgson and...@hodgsonfamily.orgwrote:

  The message has an attachment named noname.eml (as well as a details.txt
 file). We are assuming this noname.eml is the triggering email (maybe the
 one that was complained about). (BTW, it was not spam.)


 Those aren't the messages that triggered this, it is likely these
 attachments were generated from your system which was having trouble
 sending to the Yahoo accounts.

 Please read the documents at:

 http://feedbackloop.yahoo.net/

 If you are DKIM signing your messages this is good as it allows you to
 participate in the program, I participate in the program and get the
 complaints that users make (when they click the spam button in their mail
 client) directly.

 Since signing up for the program I have no issue delivering to Yahoo
 addresses.

 This first response from Yahoo listed (in details.txt) 150 out of about
 600 total Yahoo members on our list. These were the email addresses that
 we could not send to for 4 hours. There were 4 subsequent similar messages
 (each with a noname.eml attachment) from Yahoo (so 5 in total) and now
 this affects 450 out of 600 Yahoo members on our list.

 Yep, you are being throttled so some of the messages will get through, but
 others will be subject to the delay.  There is no pattern on which
 addresses will go through or not, it depends on which order the MTA tries
 to deliver the message.
 Andrew.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Giving away the secrets of 99.3% email delivery

2012-05-13 Thread Dave (FitEyes)

On Sun, May 13, 2012 at 9:45 AM, Joe Sniderman 
joseph.snider...@thoroquel.org wrote:

 On 05/13/2012 01:39 AM, David wrote:
  For a mailing list, would I have to expand my SigningTable in any
  way?

 No, as long as the list's domain is in your SigningTable.


OK.



 If you want to sign outgoing messages, you probably want to sign based
 on the list's domain, rather than the poster's domain.

 By default, OpenDKIM only looks at the From message header to
 determine the sender.


I see. That's exactly what I needed to know.



 SenderHeaders   Sender,From

 to your opendkim.conf *should* resolve the problem.
 FWIW, making that config change resolved the issue in my case. YMMV.


Thank you. This is the most amazingly helpful list I have ever been on. The
Mailman community is awesome.
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[Mailman-Users] clone_member hangs

2011-05-11 Thread Dave Jones

I am having the same problem as this thread:
http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2008-April/061087.html

I have run the 'ls -U' command and know the problem list but I am not able
to find any mailman lock files on my server and the above link does not
mention the location of the lock files (or at least a link that might is
broken).

I am running CentOS 5.6 and the problem didn't exist a couple of months ago
when I was on CentOS 5.5 and a previous version of mailman.  The list it's
hanging on was created a few days ago so unfortunately multiple things have
changed to complicate the troubleshooting of the root cause.

# rpm -q mailman
mailman-2.1.9-6.el5_6.1

Thanks,
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[Mailman-Users] Setting to prevent winmail.dat

2011-03-21 Thread Dave Anderson

I have a mailing list that replaces attachments (pdf,doc,docx,...) with 
winmail.dat for one of our domain spaces, let's call it @student.example.ca. 
The messages are sent from Outlook (Exchange) to the list and they appear fine 
in gmail and our primary domain.  This is an older list, but the kicker is that 
one of my new lists sends attachments to @student.example.ca just fine, no .dat 
file. I have gone through the old list and applied the same settings that are 
on the new list and still the .dat attachment is still received.

Apart from rebuilding the old list, is there anything else I should try?

Regards,
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[Mailman-Users] Append a list owner to all lists

2011-02-24 Thread Dave Anderson

Hello,

All of our lists have separate list owners, but I would like to add a secondary 
list owner to all the mailing lists, is there a way to do this by command line?

Regards,
Dave Anderson
System Administrator
University of the Fraser Valley


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[Mailman-Users] Scrubbing attachments only if over size limit - Umbrella list

2010-07-18 Thread Dave Nathanson

I've spent almost 2 whole days reading the MailMan FAQ, Googleing and  
testing theories/methods with a set of test-lists. I am using MailMan  
2.1.12 installed at DreamHost.com. I do not have root access. Although  
I can ssh into the server, I'm not good at writing shell scripts.  
Sorry if this looks long or wordy, I'm trying to give enough info to  
get some help.


What I am trying to do is allow list members to post plain text, or  
html messages, and attachments up to a set size. Any attachments  
larger than that size, I'd like to be scrubbed and a link url inserted  
so the list members don't have to download some stupid cat video just  
to unclog their mail delivery, but those who love cat videos can just  
click the link and get it.


I understand the attachment scrubbing feature. It is useful. But it  
will only scrub ALL messages not just those over a certain size. And  
it takes out the html that people are using so much more than they  
used to. Ideally, I would love to have the attachment scrubbing  
feature operate only on messages larger than a certain size. That  
would solve my entire problem.


One of the lists I admin includes decidedly non-technical people who  
think nothing of forwarding 12 mb attachments. They don't understand  
why this is not allowed, and I'm getting tired of explaining it again.  
These same people are not interested (or capable) of uploading their  
large attachment to a server and emailing a link to the list. So I'm  
trying to help them, but without relaying huge attachments to the list.


So after much reading, I got the idea of using an umbrella list set to  
scrub attachments to give users the option of sending their huge  
attachments and it will auto-generate a link. Lovely. But I'm not  
having success in implementation. Perhaps you can help me with this.


I made 2 MailMan lists:

* regular_list  (restricted by size less than 2 mb). Has membership.
* big_list (no size restriction), set to scrub attachments. No  
members, should send to/from the members of the regular list. Set to  
be an umbrella list.


THEORY:
The way I expect this to work is the list member will send his huge  
attachment to the regular_list, it bounces back, and tells him to try  
sending it to the big_list instead. This ought to scrub the  
attachment, leaving a URL instead, and lets the msg continue to the  
regular_list where it will now be well under the size restriction and  
pass through to all the members of regular_list.


Am I on track?
I just want 2 lists, with the exact same membership list, one to scrub  
attachments, and the other to reject oversize attachments. Both should  
only accept postings from list members.


The problem is that the regular_list is not accepting messages  
addressed to the big_list. I searched the list archives and found some  
interesting info, but maybe I've read so much that I can't see or  
think straight anymore. I read the articles:

3.5. What is an Umbrella list - and why doesn't it do what I want?
3.69. How do I set up an umbrella list?

But I have not been successful in getting the umbrella list concept to  
work.


What is the trick? Is this possible? Is there a better way? What needs  
to be typed where?


Thanks,
 Dave

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[Mailman-Users] {RW-Spam?} New install problems

2010-05-15 Thread Dave Filchak


Hi folks,

I had mailman installed on a server that crashed badly. So, I have 
installed a fresh copy of mailman on a new server, or at least a new 
server for mailman. This server is the main mail server and secondary 
DNS server. Initially, the original mailman was installed an another 
server which was our secondary mail server and primary DNS server. So, 
essentially, I had to create mail aliases so that mail sent to any of 
the lists, were forwarded over to this now missing server for processing 
by mailman. Now, with the new install of mailman, it still seems to be 
trying to forward to the old server and I cannot find out where this is 
happening. We use postfix with all the email accounts stored in MySQL 
and Postfix admin as the front end to that. I can find no instances of a 
alias/forward to the old server and our aliases in 
/usr/local/mailman/data/aliases is correct. There is not such reference 
in /etc/aliases as well.


I had no trouble setting up the new list and received no errors.

Anyone perhaps have an idea what might be going on here and possible 
ways to troubleshoot this?


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[Mailman-Users] Attachment delivery to different mail clients

2010-05-11 Thread Dave Anderson

Hello,

We recently migrated our mailman server from a server with Version 2.1.1 to a 
new server with Version 2.1.9. One of our mailing lists distributes a PDF file 
attachment. However, when I switch to the new server the PDF would be delivered 
to some MUAs fine, but other MUAs would receive the message below:

Excerpt for Groupwise MUA:
Test PDF function
begin 644 btest.pdf
M)5!$1BTQ+C0*)?LCZ(*-2 P(]B:@H\/],96YG=@@-B P(%(O1FEL=5R
M(];%T941E8V]D93X^G-TF5A;0IXG.W634L#,1 8/RL1M_D)N)L-F
MDDTFUX((XD79F_54T%.%^O\/9AL[4D]%MX-_D8)N!A%G;0PVC.VGLUR9
M8!_:_V'61BF.W[2PW5^N['PP=R_%,E-(=...@w@6K5H5:9UO$EE IJQU6YM4=
M^$ZHY,B]._1ND[L@'*C7F5-VQ[UJQ,+L3L;8+$GD#QGXS27F#2W:27)
MF=7-IH#$/;LSWT6*M=:XDV(VQB;5NIWL?#I:4':+3]]e$n...@o?,6E)J77
MGB/U+8-;?/FN4,ATF8+RYJ$[!UAO/5+/PN-?;\A:2IF3V:XAR.#$  
M I#_/B91\)c...@f4E @A   (0@  $('L @MH5M2LN$4   A   0@ -D7$-2N
MJ%UQB0 $(  !   b...@*!v_;5V;,;S^8Y]:^ 46F%QE;F1S=')E86T*
M96YD;V)JC8@,!O8FH*,S(WF5N9]B:@HT(# @;V)JCP\+U1Y4O4%G
M92]-961I84)O!;, P(#8Q,B W.3)=B]2;W1A=4@,]087)E;G0@,R P
M(%(*+U)EV]UF-ESP\+U!R;V-3971;+U!$1B O55X=%T*+T9O;g...@.2 P
M(%(*/CX*+T-O;G1E;G1S(#4@,!2CX^F5N9]B:@HS(# @;V)JCP\(]4
M7!E(]086=ER O2VEDR!;C0@,!2e...@+t-o=6yt(#$*/CX*96YD;V)J

It works fine on the old server, but we need to retire it soon. I have compared 
the list configuration and they are identical. I setup a test list on the new 
server and I get the same results.

The message is sent to the list via the following script:

( cat to.txt ; uuencode test.pdf test.pdf ) | mailx -s Check l...@example.com 

Note: I get the same results with .doc as well.

Is this a bug? 
Is there another config file I should check?

Thanks,
Dave

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Monthly Announcement

2010-04-10 Thread Dave Dewey

Quoting Mark Sapiro (m...@msapiro.net):

 On 4/9/2010 8:45 PM, Stumpie wrote:
  I'd like to send out a monthly announcement reminding users that they
  are on a list and to remind them of some list etiquette.  I want to
  do this automatically.  I've looked at the FAQ, but I can't find a
  way to do this.
 
 
 If you have access to the host server or any server, set up a cron to
 mail the list once a month with whatever message you want.

This is how I do it for my lists in cron:

00 12 1 * * /usr/bin/mutt l...@domain.com -s 'Monthly List
Instructions'  ~/LIST.mailman.txt

That all goes on one line, and the LIST.mailman.txt file contains the
message you want to send. Mine uses Mutt to send the mail, but there
are many other ways/tools to accomplish this.

dd
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[Mailman-Users] move messages

2010-01-20 Thread Dave Filchak


Hi,

Is it possible to move just the messages and archive from one list to 
another? This would be the same instance of Mailman on the same server 
(obviously).


Cheers

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[Mailman-Users] mass change the domain name of user email addresses

2009-08-26 Thread Dave Bevis

Is there a script out there or a mailman command that will let me  
change the domain part of all email addresses to a different domain  
in all lists? i.e. pers...@companya.com changes to  
pers...@companyb.com, pers...@companya.com changes to  
pers...@companyb.com, etc. in all lists and makes the change to all  
email addresses that have a domain of companyA.com


Thanks.

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[Mailman-Users] Bounce processing off but still receiving bounce messages

2009-06-12 Thread Dave Bevis

I have a list set up that the membership changes on the fly. When an  
email is sent out, the current list is removed and a new list is  
uploaded. I have turned bounce processing off but I am still  
receiving bounce messages. Is there a way to turn bounce processing  
off completely for a particular list?


Mac os x server Mailman 2.1.4

Thanks.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Errors on mailman startup


Mark Sapiro wrote:

Dave Filchak wrote:

  
Well .. I have ran through most of the FAQs and the debugging techniques 
listed in them and all SEEMS like it is functioning correctly. I have 
also upgraded Mailman to 2.1.8 from 2.1.6 and I still have the exact 
same problem. After upgrading, I didn't run the debugging stuff again so 
I will try it again but I honestly do not think that it will help me.




The exception occurs in the Python smtplib and is independent of the
Mailman version.

Did you actually do the test described in the post at
http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2005-May/044976.html
(linked from the FAQ) as the Mailman user?
  

Yes. This test was fine.

Did you actually try to send mail as described in the post at
http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2005-May/044746.html
(linked from the FAQ) as the Mailman user?
  
This worked as well although, as I mention below, I am not logged in a 
mailman as mailman has no login shell and no password. Do I need to 
create one for mailman and try it again?

If you did those as the Mailman user and they didn't show any error,
then I can't explain why it fails when OutgoingRunner does the exact
same thing.

  
Did not do them as the mailman user but as another user (not root). User 
mailman has no login shell (/sbin/nologin) Should mailman need a login 
shell and passwd? It never has before and mailman was working. Again, 
there was a UPS failure at my ISP and the servers lost power abruptly so 
something might have happened then. But everything else is working, 
including regular mail.


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Re: [Mailman-Users] Errors on mailman startup


Mark Sapiro wrote:

Dave Filchak wrote:

  

Mark Sapiro wrote:


Did you actually do the test described in the post at
http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2005-May/044976.html
(linked from the FAQ) as the Mailman user?
  
  

Yes. This test was fine.


Did you actually try to send mail as described in the post at
http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2005-May/044746.html
(linked from the FAQ) as the Mailman user?
  
  
This worked as well although, as I mention below, I am not logged in a 
mailman as mailman has no login shell and no password. Do I need to 
create one for mailman and try it again?


If you did those as the Mailman user and they didn't show any error,
then I can't explain why it fails when OutgoingRunner does the exact
same thing.

  
  
Did not do them as the mailman user but as another user (not root). User 
mailman has no login shell (/sbin/nologin) Should mailman need a login 
shell and passwd? It never has before and mailman was working. Again, 
there was a UPS failure at my ISP and the servers lost power abruptly so 
something might have happened then. But everything else is working, 
including regular mail.




No. Mailman doesn't need a login shell or a password. You should be
able to do, e.g.

sudo -u mailman /bin/bash

in order to get a command shell running as mailman or

sudo -u mailman python

to get a python interpreter.

It seems there is a permissions issue somewhere that is preventing
mailman from accessing something. Make sure /etc/hosts and
/etc/resolve.conf are world readable. If that isn't it, try to narrow
it down by running the tests as mailman using sudo as above.

  
OK .. ran both tests as mailman. First one was fine. Second one, while 
it shown no errors initially, I only received the email that was sent as 
a rcpt (secondary email address). The To: email address did not get 
delivered. The smtp-failure logs do not show a specific error for that 
email transaction but it still shows a ton of the same errors, i.e.:


May 29 16:21:04 2009 (6489) Low level smtp error: (-2, 'Name or service 
not known'), msgid: mailman.1.1243617046.6486.some...@domain.net
May 29 16:21:04 2009 (6489) delivery to some...@domain.org failed with 
code -1: (-2, 'Name or service not known')


Both /etc/resolv.conf and /etc/hosts are world readable. I am truly stumped.

Dave


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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman-Users Digest, Vol 63, Issue 53


snip
  
  
OK .. ran both tests as mailman. First one was fine. Second one, while 
it shown no errors initially, I only received the email that was sent as 
a rcpt (secondary email address). The To: email address did not get 
delivered. The smtp-failure logs do not show a specific error for that 
email transaction but it still shows a ton of the same errors, i.e.:


May 29 16:21:04 2009 (6489) Low level smtp error: (-2, 'Name or service 
not known'), msgid: mailman.1.1243617046.6486.some...@domain.net
May 29 16:21:04 2009 (6489) delivery to some...@domain.org failed with 
code -1: (-2, 'Name or service not known')


Both /etc/resolv.conf and /etc/hosts are world readable. I am truly stumped.




That example won't deliver to any addresses in the message headers. 
Also, it won't log any errors. Error will be written to Python's

stderr (normally the terminal). It sends to the addresses in the rcpts
list as those are the only addresses communicated via SMTP. I.e., the
envelope is sent to the rcpts regardless of what the message inside
the envelope says.

OK. I'm stumped too. Check the definitions of SMTPHOST and SMTPPORT in
Defaults.py and possible overrides in mm_cfg.py to make sure they are
'localhost' and 0 respectively.
  
OK .. well maybe something here. In Defaults.py SMTPHOST is set to 
'localhost' In mm_cfg.py, it is set to the actual public IP of the server.

Also, another thing that occurred to me at one point which I don't
think makes any difference and which looked OK in your prior post of
'ps' output, but make sure that a sendmail process didn't start on
it's own after the power failure.

chkconfig --list sendmail

or however you set these things on your system should show sendmail is
off at all run levels. sendmail should only be run by MailScanner.
  

sendmail is turned off at all levels.

If your python is 2.4.x or later, you can use the technique described
in the FAQ at http://wiki.list.org/x/-IA9 to obtain debugging info
from Python's smtplib. The extra information will be written to
Mailman's error log.
  
No such luck. This is an older system running the latest available for 
this system (2.3.4)


I am going to change mm_cfg.py to match Defaults.py or I guess I could 
just comment it out?


Dave


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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman-Users Digest, Vol 63, Issue 53


Mark Sapiro wrote:
Dave Filchak 
  
  
  
OK .. well maybe something here. In Defaults.py SMTPHOST is set to 
'localhost' In mm_cfg.py, it is set to the actual public IP of the server.




I'm fairly sure if you just remove the SMTPHOST = 'xx.xx.xx.xx' from
mm_cfg.py and restart Mailman, it will work.

I'm also fairly sure that if you set SMTPHOST to the IP instead of
localhost in the tests that they will fail.

Of course, none of this will explain why it quit after the power
outage, but I'm pretty sure the difference is a DNS issue.

  
Yup ... just sent a test email to a test list we have set up and it 
seems to be working. It is so weird though ... there is really no way I 
can think of that these would change even after an unscheduled abrupt 
shutdown like we had. And the thing is, this server was up and running 
for two years before that and running mailman with no issues. It is like 
a ghost in the machine. Very crazy!!


I wan to thank you for hanging in there with me. I really do appreciate it.

Dave

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[Mailman-Users] Errors on mailman startup

My ISP had a major power outage a while back and I realized that mailman 
was no longer running. When trying to start it again, I am getting the 
following errors:


/usr/local/mailman/bin/mailmanctl start
Starting Mailman's master qrunner.
[r...@ebony ~]# Traceback (most recent call last):
 File /usr/local/mailman/bin/qrunner, line 270, in ?
   main()
 File /usr/local/mailman/bin/qrunner, line 230, in main
   qrunner.run()
 File /usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py, line 70, in run
   filecnt = self._oneloop()
 File /usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py, line 99, in _oneloop
   msg, msgdata = self._switchboard.dequeue(filebase)
 File /usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Switchboard.py, line 143, in 
dequeue

   fp = open(filename)
IOError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 
'/usr/local/mailman/qfiles/out/1243356180.407516+c6c334592170b450a79140940b2a3ba17d3b962a.pck'

Traceback (most recent call last):
 File /usr/local/mailman/bin/qrunner, line 270, in ?
   main()
 File /usr/local/mailman/bin/qrunner, line 230, in main
   qrunner.run()
 File /usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py, line 70, in run
   filecnt = self._oneloop()
 File /usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py, line 99, in _oneloop
   msg, msgdata = self._switchboard.dequeue(filebase)
 File /usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Switchboard.py, line 143, in 
dequeue

   fp = open(filename)
IOError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 
'/usr/local/mailman/qfiles/out/1243535478.4113281+cdfdfd56b6ebc1b658ed9c772038562cb6090a8f.pck'


When we tried to send a message to the list ... it does not get sent. 
Anyone have any idea about what might be going on?


Dave
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Errors on mailman startup


Mark Sapiro wrote:

Dave Filchak wrote:

  
My ISP had a major power outage a while back and I realized that mailman 
was no longer running. When trying to start it again, I am getting the 
following errors:


/usr/local/mailman/bin/mailmanctl start
Starting Mailman's master qrunner.
[r...@ebony ~]# Traceback (most recent call last):
 File /usr/local/mailman/bin/qrunner, line 270, in ?
   main()
 File /usr/local/mailman/bin/qrunner, line 230, in main
   qrunner.run()
 File /usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py, line 70, in run
   filecnt = self._oneloop()
 File /usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py, line 99, in _oneloop
   msg, msgdata = self._switchboard.dequeue(filebase)
 File /usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Switchboard.py, line 143, in 
dequeue

   fp = open(filename)
IOError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 
'/usr/local/mailman/qfiles/out/1243356180.407516+c6c334592170b450a79140940b2a3ba17d3b962a.pck'

Traceback (most recent call last):
 File /usr/local/mailman/bin/qrunner, line 270, in ?
   main()
 File /usr/local/mailman/bin/qrunner, line 230, in main
   qrunner.run()
 File /usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py, line 70, in run
   filecnt = self._oneloop()
 File /usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py, line 99, in _oneloop
   msg, msgdata = self._switchboard.dequeue(filebase)
 File /usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Switchboard.py, line 143, in 
dequeue

   fp = open(filename)
IOError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 
'/usr/local/mailman/qfiles/out/1243535478.4113281+cdfdfd56b6ebc1b658ed9c772038562cb6090a8f.pck'


When we tried to send a message to the list ... it does not get sent. 
Anyone have any idea about what might be going on?




See the FAQ at http://wiki.list.org/x/_4A9. If you go through the
steps in that FAQ and still have a problem, see
http://wiki.list.org/x/A4E9.

  
Well .. this worked to get rid of the errors ... thank you. However, 
while I see no errors in the maillog, emails sent to mailman get 
delivered TO mailman but the emails are not forwarded to the list users. 
I have restarted mailman and run the cron job manually but still 
nothing. However, I tried to send an email from the command line and did 
not receive that either. I am using Sendmail with MailScanner but mail 
looks like it is being processed in the logs.


ps aux | grep sendmail gives me:

ps aux | grep sendmail
root 16749  0.0  0.2  9128 3632 ?S19:24   0:00 sendmail: 
server 189.27.106.155.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br [189.27.106.155] cmd 
read  
root 17070  0.0  0.1  9384 3100 ?Ss   19:28   0:00 sendmail: 
accepting 
connections 

smmsp17074  0.0  0.1  7388 2564 ?Ss   19:28   0:00 sendmail: 
Queue run...@00:15:00 for /var/spool/clientmqueue 
root 17079  0.0  0.1  7560 2680 ?Ss   19:28   0:00 sendmail: 
Queue run...@00:15:00 for /var/spool/mqueue  
root 17569  0.0  0.2  9864 3588 ?S19:39   0:00 sendmail: 
server pool-96-241-183-254.washdc.fios.verizon.net [96.241.183.254] cmd 
read 
root 17633  0.0  0.0  4708  692 pts/2R+   19:40   0:00 grep sendmail


ps aux | grep MailScanner
root 17106  0.0  1.4 27608 22028 ?   Ss   19:28   0:00 
MailScanner: master waiting for children, sleeping
root 17107  0.2  2.1 40812 32752 ?   S19:28   0:02 
MailScanner: waiting for messages
root 17126  0.2  2.1 41020 33028 ?   S19:28   0:02 
MailScanner: waiting for messages
root 17131  0.2  2.1 41016 33068 ?   S19:28   0:02 
MailScanner: waiting for messages
root 17681  0.0  0.0  5104  712 pts/2R+   19:42   0:00 grep 
MailScanner


Seems good though not sure about the line root 17106  0.0  1.4 
27608 22028 ?   Ss   19:28   0:00 MailScanner: master waiting for 
children, sleeping


Dave


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Re: [Mailman-Users] Errors on mailman startup


Mark Sapiro wrote:

Dave Filchak wrote:

  
My ISP had a major power outage a while back and I realized that mailman 
was no longer running. When trying to start it again, I am getting the 
following errors:


/usr/local/mailman/bin/mailmanctl start
Starting Mailman's master qrunner.
[r...@ebony ~]# Traceback (most recent call last):
 File /usr/local/mailman/bin/qrunner, line 270, in ?
   main()
 File /usr/local/mailman/bin/qrunner, line 230, in main
   qrunner.run()
 File /usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py, line 70, in run
   filecnt = self._oneloop()
 File /usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py, line 99, in _oneloop
   msg, msgdata = self._switchboard.dequeue(filebase)
 File /usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Switchboard.py, line 143, in 
dequeue

   fp = open(filename)
IOError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 
'/usr/local/mailman/qfiles/out/1243356180.407516+c6c334592170b450a79140940b2a3ba17d3b962a.pck'

Traceback (most recent call last):
 File /usr/local/mailman/bin/qrunner, line 270, in ?
   main()
 File /usr/local/mailman/bin/qrunner, line 230, in main
   qrunner.run()
 File /usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py, line 70, in run
   filecnt = self._oneloop()
 File /usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py, line 99, in _oneloop
   msg, msgdata = self._switchboard.dequeue(filebase)
 File /usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Switchboard.py, line 143, in 
dequeue

   fp = open(filename)
IOError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 
'/usr/local/mailman/qfiles/out/1243535478.4113281+cdfdfd56b6ebc1b658ed9c772038562cb6090a8f.pck'


When we tried to send a message to the list ... it does not get sent. 
Anyone have any idea about what might be going on?




See the FAQ at http://wiki.list.org/x/_4A9. If you go through the
steps in that FAQ and still have a problem, see
http://wiki.list.org/x/A4E9.

  

I have found the following in the smtp-failure logs:

failed with code -1: (-2, 'Name or service not known')

I have tons of these. I Googled this and one of the issues appears to be 
not having search my.domain in my resolv.conf file. I have added this 
but I still cannot get mailman to deliver any mail. Would really 
appreciate it if anyone has any other ideas about this.


Dave

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