Re: [Mailman-Users] List Serve Has Stopped Working

2019-07-29 Thread Mark Sapiro 
On 7/29/19 5:45 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote:
> 
> I hope someone else on this list can help you.
> 
> There's also .


Sorry for the immediately prior premature send.

What I meant to add here is this is almost certainly not a Mailman
issue. I can't be certain without seeing Mailman's logs, but it seems
highly likely that Mailman is continuing to deliver outgoing mail to the
MTA (Exim) via SMTP to localhost port 25. The issue is most likely in
Exim and whatever you did there to implement DKIM signing.

And now I see the above is moot, but since I already wrote it ...

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Re: [Mailman-Users] List Serve Has Stopped Working

2019-07-29 Thread Robert Heller 
At Mon, 29 Jul 2019 12:59:31 -0400 Mary Pearson  wrote:

> 
> I have had Mailman (current version v 2.1.27) List Serve working perfectly on 
> my website for several years.  On July 5, I made some changes to my DNS 
> settings to satisfy cPanel's Email Deliverability standards, and since then 
> my List Serve no longer works.  I don't know if that was the cause, or if I 
> have done something else to break it, and DNS records were just a coincidence.
> 
> I now have my main domain of ChristianGays.com  
> and sub-domain of mail.christiangays.com  
> complying with DKIM and SPF records.  All is good now from that aspect, but 
> the List Serve still doesn't work.
> 
> When I say it does not work, I can send and receive using my 
> m...@christiangays.com  email address, but if 
> I use any of my other email addresses, or if another member writes, the list 
> serve does not forward to the group.
> 
> The sent emails can be found in the Archives, but they don't come through to 
> our inboxes.
> 
> Log Errors (which I don't understand) show:
> 
> [29-Jul-2019 16:45:48 UTC] PHP Deprecated:  Methods with the same name as 
> their class will not be constructors in a future version of PHP; wp_mail_from 
> has a deprecated constructor in 
> /home/mary/public_html/mary-content/plugins/change-wp-mail-from-details/change-mail-from.php
>  on line 105
> [29-Jul-2019 12:45:48 America/Toronto] PHP Deprecated:  Function 
> create_function() is deprecated in 
> /home/mary/public_html/mary-content/themes/generatepress_child/functions.php 
> on line 249
> [29-Jul-2019 12:45:48 America/Toronto] PHP Warning:  Cannot modify header 
> information - headers already sent in 
> /home/mary/public_html/mary-content/plugins/simple-membership/classes/class.swpm-init-time-tasks.php
>  on line 20

These are PHP messages that seem to relate to a WordPress plugin.  Nothing to 
do with Mailman, which is written in Python.

Your problems sound like a problem with the Mailman => outbound mail server 
interface -- something is misconfigured there.  Do you know what you are using 
for a mail server? Sendmail? Postfix? Something else?  What operating system 
is the server itself running? CentOS 6, 7? Ubuntu? Something else?

> 
> I did not set this up.  I know nothing of Python or Mailman, so although I 
> have read your FAQ's, I am really not qualified to implement the 
> instructions.  
> 
> I hired someone years ago to set this List Serve up for me, but now he is not 
> available.  I have since hired two other people, one who specializes in 
> Python to try to figure it out, and neither of them could find the problem.
> 
> Since two coders have not been able to fix it, I doubt that giving me 
> instructions of what to look for would help.
> 
> I could hire someone else via Freelancer again, but believe it may just be 
> more of a waste of time.  I would rather have someone who knows Mailman well, 
> as I assume you all do.  I am willing to pay someone to look at the back end 
> of my site to get this working again.  Is that possible?
> 
> Thank you.
> Mary Pearson
> ChristianGays.com 
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Re: [Mailman-Users] List Serve Has Stopped Working

2019-07-29 Thread Mary Pearson via Mailman-Users 
Thank you everyone for your input.  A dear gentleman from cPanel tech support 
was able to figure it out for me and it is now working.

Mary



On Jul 29, 2019, at 8:45 PM, Mark Sapiro  wrote:

On 7/29/19 9:59 AM, Mary Pearson via Mailman-Users wrote:
> I have had Mailman (current version v 2.1.27) List Serve working perfectly on 
> my website for several years.


Please see .


> On July 5, I made some changes to my DNS settings to satisfy cPanel's Email 
> Deliverability standards, and since then my List Serve no longer works.  I 
> don't know if that was the cause, or if I have done something else to break 
> it, and DNS records were just a coincidence.
> 
> I now have my main domain of ChristianGays.com  
> and sub-domain of mail.christiangays.com  
> complying with DKIM and SPF records.  All is good now from that aspect, but 
> the List Serve still doesn't work.
> 
> When I say it does not work, I can send and receive using my 
> m...@christiangays.com  email address, but if 
> I use any of my other email addresses, or if another member writes, the list 
> serve does not forward to the group.
> 
> The sent emails can be found in the Archives, but they don't come through to 
> our inboxes.

So there seems to be some issue with outgoing mail delivery from Mailman
to external addresses. The mail reaches Mailman because it is archived.
Is mail from others delivered to m...@christiangays.com?


> Log Errors (which I don't understand) show:
> 
> [29-Jul-2019 16:45:48 UTC] PHP Deprecated:  Methods with the same name as 
> their class will not be constructors in a future version of PHP; wp_mail_from 
> has a deprecated constructor in 
> /home/mary/public_html/mary-content/plugins/change-wp-mail-from-details/change-mail-from.php
>  on line 105
> [29-Jul-2019 12:45:48 America/Toronto] PHP Deprecated:  Function 
> create_function() is deprecated in 
> /home/mary/public_html/mary-content/themes/generatepress_child/functions.php 
> on line 249
> [29-Jul-2019 12:45:48 America/Toronto] PHP Warning:  Cannot modify header 
> information - headers already sent in 
> /home/mary/public_html/mary-content/plugins/simple-membership/classes/class.swpm-init-time-tasks.php
>  on line 20


These PHP errors are irrelevant. They may have something to do with
Wordpress?? The logs you want to look at are the MTA (probably Exim in
cPanel) logs and Mailman's logs (in
/usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/mailman/logs in standard cPanel).


> I did not set this up.  I know nothing of Python or Mailman, so although I 
> have read your FAQ's, I am really not qualified to implement the 
> instructions.  


Does this mean you've seen
 and
?


> I hired someone years ago to set this List Serve up for me, but now he is not 
> available.  I have since hired two other people, one who specializes in 
> Python to try to figure it out, and neither of them could find the problem.
> 
> Since two coders have not been able to fix it, I doubt that giving me 
> instructions of what to look for would help.
> 
> I could hire someone else via Freelancer again, but believe it may just be 
> more of a waste of time.  I would rather have someone who knows Mailman well, 
> as I assume you all do.  I am willing to pay someone to look at the back end 
> of my site to get this working again.  Is that possible?


My two rules are "I don't work for money." and "I don't touch your
server." and in any case, I'm going to be unavailable for even what
support I normally provide via this list for the next 6 weeks.

I hope someone else on this list can help you.

There's also .

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Re: [Mailman-Users] List Serve Has Stopped Working

2019-07-29 Thread Mark Sapiro 
On 7/29/19 5:45 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote:
> On 7/29/19 9:59 AM, Mary Pearson via Mailman-Users wrote:
>> I have had Mailman (current version v 2.1.27) List Serve working perfectly 
>> on my website for several years.
> 
> 
> Please see .
> 
> 
>>  On July 5, I made some changes to my DNS settings to satisfy cPanel's Email 
>> Deliverability standards, and since then my List Serve no longer works.  I 
>> don't know if that was the cause, or if I have done something else to break 
>> it, and DNS records were just a coincidence.
>>
>> I now have my main domain of ChristianGays.com  
>> and sub-domain of mail.christiangays.com  
>> complying with DKIM and SPF records.  All is good now from that aspect, but 
>> the List Serve still doesn't work.
>>
>> When I say it does not work, I can send and receive using my 
>> m...@christiangays.com  email address, but if 
>> I use any of my other email addresses, or if another member writes, the list 
>> serve does not forward to the group.
>>
>> The sent emails can be found in the Archives, but they don't come through to 
>> our inboxes.
> 
> So there seems to be some issue with outgoing mail delivery from Mailman
> to external addresses. The mail reaches Mailman because it is archived.
> Is mail from others delivered to m...@christiangays.com?
> 
> 
>> Log Errors (which I don't understand) show:
>>
>> [29-Jul-2019 16:45:48 UTC] PHP Deprecated:  Methods with the same name as 
>> their class will not be constructors in a future version of PHP; 
>> wp_mail_from has a deprecated constructor in 
>> /home/mary/public_html/mary-content/plugins/change-wp-mail-from-details/change-mail-from.php
>>  on line 105
>> [29-Jul-2019 12:45:48 America/Toronto] PHP Deprecated:  Function 
>> create_function() is deprecated in 
>> /home/mary/public_html/mary-content/themes/generatepress_child/functions.php 
>> on line 249
>> [29-Jul-2019 12:45:48 America/Toronto] PHP Warning:  Cannot modify header 
>> information - headers already sent in 
>> /home/mary/public_html/mary-content/plugins/simple-membership/classes/class.swpm-init-time-tasks.php
>>  on line 20
> 
> 
> These PHP errors are irrelevant. They may have something to do with
> Wordpress?? The logs you want to look at are the MTA (probably Exim in
> cPanel) logs and Mailman's logs (in
> /usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/mailman/logs in standard cPanel).
> 
> 
>> I did not set this up.  I know nothing of Python or Mailman, so although I 
>> have read your FAQ's, I am really not qualified to implement the 
>> instructions.  
> 
> 
> Does this mean you've seen
>  and
> ?
> 
> 
>> I hired someone years ago to set this List Serve up for me, but now he is 
>> not available.  I have since hired two other people, one who specializes in 
>> Python to try to figure it out, and neither of them could find the problem.
>>
>> Since two coders have not been able to fix it, I doubt that giving me 
>> instructions of what to look for would help.
>>
>> I could hire someone else via Freelancer again, but believe it may just be 
>> more of a waste of time.  I would rather have someone who knows Mailman 
>> well, as I assume you all do.  I am willing to pay someone to look at the 
>> back end of my site to get this working again.  Is that possible?
> 
> 
> My two rules are "I don't work for money." and "I don't touch your
> server." and in any case, I'm going to be unavailable for even what
> support I normally provide via this list for the next 6 weeks.
> 
> I hope someone else on this list can help you.
> 
> There's also .
> 


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Re: [Mailman-Users] List Serve Has Stopped Working

2019-07-29 Thread Mark Sapiro 
On 7/29/19 9:59 AM, Mary Pearson via Mailman-Users wrote:
> I have had Mailman (current version v 2.1.27) List Serve working perfectly on 
> my website for several years.


Please see .


>  On July 5, I made some changes to my DNS settings to satisfy cPanel's Email 
> Deliverability standards, and since then my List Serve no longer works.  I 
> don't know if that was the cause, or if I have done something else to break 
> it, and DNS records were just a coincidence.
> 
> I now have my main domain of ChristianGays.com  
> and sub-domain of mail.christiangays.com  
> complying with DKIM and SPF records.  All is good now from that aspect, but 
> the List Serve still doesn't work.
> 
> When I say it does not work, I can send and receive using my 
> m...@christiangays.com  email address, but if 
> I use any of my other email addresses, or if another member writes, the list 
> serve does not forward to the group.
> 
> The sent emails can be found in the Archives, but they don't come through to 
> our inboxes.

So there seems to be some issue with outgoing mail delivery from Mailman
to external addresses. The mail reaches Mailman because it is archived.
Is mail from others delivered to m...@christiangays.com?


> Log Errors (which I don't understand) show:
> 
> [29-Jul-2019 16:45:48 UTC] PHP Deprecated:  Methods with the same name as 
> their class will not be constructors in a future version of PHP; wp_mail_from 
> has a deprecated constructor in 
> /home/mary/public_html/mary-content/plugins/change-wp-mail-from-details/change-mail-from.php
>  on line 105
> [29-Jul-2019 12:45:48 America/Toronto] PHP Deprecated:  Function 
> create_function() is deprecated in 
> /home/mary/public_html/mary-content/themes/generatepress_child/functions.php 
> on line 249
> [29-Jul-2019 12:45:48 America/Toronto] PHP Warning:  Cannot modify header 
> information - headers already sent in 
> /home/mary/public_html/mary-content/plugins/simple-membership/classes/class.swpm-init-time-tasks.php
>  on line 20


These PHP errors are irrelevant. They may have something to do with
Wordpress?? The logs you want to look at are the MTA (probably Exim in
cPanel) logs and Mailman's logs (in
/usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/mailman/logs in standard cPanel).


> I did not set this up.  I know nothing of Python or Mailman, so although I 
> have read your FAQ's, I am really not qualified to implement the 
> instructions.  


Does this mean you've seen
 and
?


> I hired someone years ago to set this List Serve up for me, but now he is not 
> available.  I have since hired two other people, one who specializes in 
> Python to try to figure it out, and neither of them could find the problem.
> 
> Since two coders have not been able to fix it, I doubt that giving me 
> instructions of what to look for would help.
> 
> I could hire someone else via Freelancer again, but believe it may just be 
> more of a waste of time.  I would rather have someone who knows Mailman well, 
> as I assume you all do.  I am willing to pay someone to look at the back end 
> of my site to get this working again.  Is that possible?


My two rules are "I don't work for money." and "I don't touch your
server." and in any case, I'm going to be unavailable for even what
support I normally provide via this list for the next 6 weeks.

I hope someone else on this list can help you.

There's also .

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[Mailman-Users] List Serve Has Stopped Working

2019-07-29 Thread Mary Pearson via Mailman-Users 
I have had Mailman (current version v 2.1.27) List Serve working perfectly on 
my website for several years.  On July 5, I made some changes to my DNS 
settings to satisfy cPanel's Email Deliverability standards, and since then my 
List Serve no longer works.  I don't know if that was the cause, or if I have 
done something else to break it, and DNS records were just a coincidence.

I now have my main domain of ChristianGays.com  and 
sub-domain of mail.christiangays.com  complying 
with DKIM and SPF records.  All is good now from that aspect, but the List 
Serve still doesn't work.

When I say it does not work, I can send and receive using my 
m...@christiangays.com  email address, but if I 
use any of my other email addresses, or if another member writes, the list 
serve does not forward to the group.

The sent emails can be found in the Archives, but they don't come through to 
our inboxes.

Log Errors (which I don't understand) show:

[29-Jul-2019 16:45:48 UTC] PHP Deprecated:  Methods with the same name as their 
class will not be constructors in a future version of PHP; wp_mail_from has a 
deprecated constructor in 
/home/mary/public_html/mary-content/plugins/change-wp-mail-from-details/change-mail-from.php
 on line 105
[29-Jul-2019 12:45:48 America/Toronto] PHP Deprecated:  Function 
create_function() is deprecated in 
/home/mary/public_html/mary-content/themes/generatepress_child/functions.php on 
line 249
[29-Jul-2019 12:45:48 America/Toronto] PHP Warning:  Cannot modify header 
information - headers already sent in 
/home/mary/public_html/mary-content/plugins/simple-membership/classes/class.swpm-init-time-tasks.php
 on line 20

I did not set this up.  I know nothing of Python or Mailman, so although I have 
read your FAQ's, I am really not qualified to implement the instructions.  

I hired someone years ago to set this List Serve up for me, but now he is not 
available.  I have since hired two other people, one who specializes in Python 
to try to figure it out, and neither of them could find the problem.

Since two coders have not been able to fix it, I doubt that giving me 
instructions of what to look for would help.

I could hire someone else via Freelancer again, but believe it may just be more 
of a waste of time.  I would rather have someone who knows Mailman well, as I 
assume you all do.  I am willing to pay someone to look at the back end of my 
site to get this working again.  Is that possible?

Thank you.
Mary Pearson
ChristianGays.com 
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