Re: [Mailman-Users] Mail Queue

[Thomas Hochstein]

David A Boothe schrieb:

> I read that and it made about as much sense to me as a medical text
> book on brain surgury written is greek.  All I want to know is what
> the two letters indicate!

It has got nothing to do with Mailman. Go and ask at the right place.

> I have no clue 

Obviously. But please stop bothering us with that.

-thh


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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mail Queue

[Chuq Von Rospach]

On Feb 8, 2004, at 10:54 PM, Thomas Hochstein wrote:

It has got nothing to do with Mailman. Go and ask at the right place.

I have no clue
Obviously. But please stop bothering us with that.

c'mon, folks.

There's a polite way to help people, and then there's -- this.

Stuff like this doesn't give the project as a whole a good karma out in 
the real world.

My suggestion: if you aren't going to help, stay quiet. This is very 
clearly not helping.

Please stop bothering the world with your grumpiness. The ONLY person 
who has the right to be grumpy at users of this list is Barry. The rest 
of us are here to either help take the load off of Barry, or to shut up 
and not create problems for him.



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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mail Queue

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At 3:31 PM -0800 2004/02/08, David A Boothe wrote:

 You know I really HATE that kind of answer.  In all the time that
 one takes to write what he did he could have easily said what each
 character stood for.  Yet all he did was tell me that I could go
 search through miles of documentation and try to find it.
	You asked a question about a particular MTA, on a mailing list 
that is not devoted to that program.  You need to use the resources 
provided for you through the support mechanism for that program, and 
not expect that everyone everywhere will drop everything to cater to 
your every whim.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mail Queue

[Thomas Hochstein]

David A Boothe:

> Ok but what are the YN, etc in front of each address?

Read your Exim documentation:


|  Following the options there is a list of those addresses to which the
|  message is not to be delivered. This set of addresses is initialized
|  from the command line when the -t option is used and
|  extract_addresses_remove_arguments is set; otherwise it starts out
|  empty. Whenever a successful delivery is made, the address is added
|  to this set. The addresses are kept internally as a balanced binary
|  tree, and it is a representation of that tree which is written to the
|  spool file. If an address is expanded via an alias or forward file,
|  the original address is added to the tree when deliveries to all its
|  child addresses are complete. 
|
|  If the tree is empty, there is a single line in the spool file
|  containing just the text ?XX?. Otherwise, each line consists of two
|  letters, which are either Y or N, followed by an address. The address
|  is the value for the node of the tree, and the letters indicate
|  whether the node has a left branch and/or a right branch attached to
|  it, respectively. If branches exist, they immediately follow. Here is
|  an example of a three-node tree: 
|
|   YY [EMAIL PROTECTED]
|   NN [EMAIL PROTECTED]
|   NN [EMAIL PROTECTED]

That has got nothing to do with Mailman.

-thh


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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mail Queue

[Bob Franklin]

On Mon, 8 Feb 2004, Jon Carnes wrote:

> Maybe I'll delete this email before I send it - Maybe not.  ...

To end this [hopefully!] I sent David a [fairly long] reply with more
information in, along with an explanation of the Y/N lines (in that
'they're an optimisation and don't have anything to do with whether the
message has been delivered or not').  I also suggested he use some of the
Exim logs and command line options to get the answers he desired (rather
than poking around in internal [albeit documented] files).

I also hate the kind of answers I sent David originally, but [as a few
people have pointed out], it was an Exim question on the Mailman list and
I think he's looking in the wrong place for the information he's after,
anyway.

Also note that my original answer was wrong - the list is the addresses to
whom the messages HAVE been delivered and not have not!  [The dangers of
skimming a big page of documentation when half asleep after a day of
sailing.]


If there's any more on this - fire away.  I'm only replying so I can avoid
doing my Japanese homework [what was a page of useful notes last week has
turned into a page of nonsense tonight... erm... this morning]!  Is that a
'ha' or a 'wa'...?

  - Bob


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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mail Queue

[Jon Carnes]

On Sun, 2004-02-08 at 18:31, David A Boothe wrote:
> You know I really HATE that kind of answer.  

Then don't use Open Source.

> In all the time that one takes to write what he did he could have easily said what 
> each character stood for.  Yet all he did was tell me that I could go search through 
> miles of documentation and try to find it.  Sorry if I sound like I am pissing into 
> the wind but some folks do have reading disabilities and aks questions to get 
> answers not wise ass comments.  Can someone actually tell me what each character 
> stands for.  I kind of figured all by myself that it had to do with the status but 
> what exactly each char stood for still has not been answered.
> 
Maybe I'll delete this email before I send it - Maybe not.  It depends
on how really pissed off I am by the sort of person who asks for help,
is pointed to the right place and then bitches about having to actually
help himself by reading the documentation

And of course its an Exim question on a Mailman list.

Jon Carnes




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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mail Queue

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David A Boothe wrote:
> I read that and it made about as much sense to me as a medical text
> book on brain surgury written is greek.  All I want to know is what
> the two letters indicate!  I have no clue what they mean by parent
> and child rewiter spool tree branch things.  I just want to find out
> in simple terms what is going on with this software.  Can someone
> please take in down a notch from the techno-babble to an english
> explanation fo whats going on?

You really should take this to the exim list.  You're much more likely
to get some help and pointers on a more appropriate list (not that I
thought Bob's pointer to the specific docs wasn't helpful).

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mail Queue

[David A Boothe]

I read that and it made about as much sense to me as a medical text book on brain 
surgury written is greek.  All I want to know is what the two letters indicate!  I 
have no clue what they mean by parent and child rewiter spool tree branch things.  I 
just want to find out in simple terms what is going on with this software.  Can 
someone please take in down a notch from the techno-babble to an english explanation 
fo whats going on?
 
 
Thanks


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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mail Queue

[David A Boothe]

You know I really HATE that kind of answer.  In all the time that one takes to write 
what he did he could have easily said what each character stood for.  Yet all he did 
was tell me that I could go search through miles of documentation and try to find it.  
Sorry if I sound like I am pissing into the wind but some folks do have reading 
disabilities and aks questions to get answers not wise ass comments.  Can someone 
actually tell me what each character stands for.  I kind of figured all by myself that 
it had to do with the status but what exactly each char stood for still has not been 
answered.


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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mail Queue

[Bob Franklin]

On Sun, 8 Feb 2004, David A Boothe wrote:

> Ok but what are the YN, etc in front of each address?

http://www.exim.org/exim-html-4.30/doc/html/spec_49.html#CHAP49

... in the Exim documentation -> Specification -> Chapter 49: Format of
spool files, it explains all.  It's a list of people to whom the message
has not been delivered [so far].

  - Bob


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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mail Queue

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Ok but what are the YN, etc in front of each address?


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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mail Queue

[Thomas Hochstein]

David A Boothe schrieb:

> Why do these emails sit in my mail queue for days?

Probably there is at least *one* recipient for each of these mails the
mail can not immediately be delivered to. Your MTA (Exim, I presume?)
will try to deliver the mail to those recipients as long as the retry
limit you set in its configuration is not reached (about 4-5 days,
normally) before bouncing the mail back.

-thh


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[Mailman-Users] Mail Queue

[David A Boothe]

 I have a client who has a miling list with about 6,000 subscribers.  When he 
sends out mail, about a dozen emails show up in the mail queue.  It appears that the 
system is breaking the send of the mail to the list into that many individual emails 
with several hundred address in each.  These mails tend to saty in the queue for days. 
 When I look at the queue and view the contents of the email I see the following at 
the top of eah mail...
 
1ApaXy-0004pR-7w-H
root 0 0
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
1076191410 0
-helo_name hostname
-host_address 127.0.0.1.34368
-host_name localhost
-interface_address 127.0.0.1.25
-received_protocol esmtp
-body_linecount 47
YY [EMAIL PROTECTED]
NN [EMAIL PROTECTED]
NY [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 
 Why do these emails sit in my mail queue for days?   What do the "Y/N" at the 
beginning of each of the subscibers email addresses mean?
 
 
Thanks


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