Re: [Mailman-Users] So far, I'm very disappointed with Mailman
On Friday 04 July 2003 10:51 pm, SysAdmin wrote: I've had nothing but problems with it. Majordomo sucked, but at least it stayed up and running. Mailman's processes are all there, but no messages get delivered to the lists Do you have a valid question? Or are you just ranting? If you have a valid question, please provide enough data so we can be of help and, together solve the problem. We are no mind readers, just mailman users. If you are just ranting, please use an appropiate media. I'd recommend you /dev/null Anyone have a better mailing list tool than Mailman that you can recommend? I'd like to have something that I don't have to babysit so much. As much as I hate to do it, I might just have to go back to Majordomo (it has much better documentation, too). Sigh. Bill Interestingly, I don't babysit my mailman. If you want to go back to Majordomo, please do. Although this will not solve your problems with mailman. Regards, Josep -- Josep L. Guallar-Esteve Eastern Radiologists, Inc. Systems and Network Administration http://www.easternrad.com -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] So far, I'm very disappointed with Mailman
S == SysAdmin [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: S Anyone have a better mailing list tool than Mailman that you can S recommend? I'd like to have something that I don't have to babysit so S much. As much as I hate to do it, I might just have to go back to S Majordomo (it has much better documentation, too). Sigh. I don't baby sit my Mailman. Ever. It just runs and runs. It was trivial to set up (using the FreeBSD ports for both Mailman and Postfix). Lyris was also that way, but it is WY expensive and really not worth the money compared with what you can get with Mailman, IMO. But if you're having trouble setting it up, then perhaps Lyris is worth a look... -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Mailman-Users] So far, I'm very disappointed with Mailman
:S Anyone have a better mailing list tool than Mailman that you can :S recommend? I'd like to have something that I don't have to babysit so :S much. As much as I hate to do it, I might just have to go back to :S Majordomo (it has much better documentation, too). Sigh. Is it possible your needs might be better met with an outsourced mailing list solution? While we have the in-house expertise to manage Mailman, my cost analyses have demonstrated this is not a good use of our limited programming time. Perhaps you can find a provider who offers Mailman at a reasonable rate. I tested Lyris for a year (outsourced solution, from Sparklist) and I was unimpressed. Karen G. Schneider -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] So far, I'm very disappointed with Mailman
I just wanted to say - once you get mailman set up and running - it should not need any babysitting. I have run Lsoft's Listserv, Majordormo, and about 10 different list servers and this one - once you get the kinks from your system worked out is the most flexible and the best. I have also been thrilled with the help I have gotten on this list. I currently run an older version because the server I am on uses an older version of python - but one of my friends runs the newer version and said for the first few weeks she had to work like a dog getting the bugs out and doing little fixes but with help from this list - she is now running like me - no worries. And I am rather tough (at least I think so) on the list server: (see my stats that a few members helped me create at http://www.pcolist.org/report.html) also with a bit of help and learning how to tweak things I have simplified many things that used to take me a lot of time - we change headers and footers a lot and that used to be a pain but using the same type of idea that was given to me for the list statistics I was able to change all of the list headers and footers by just editing a text file and then running a command - 1 minute later everything is all set. Our lists are mostly discussion lists and we have both fully moderated and moderated only by email address lists and it makes it a snap. I am the sever admin and I spend maybe 1 hour a month researching addresses or a wacky problem and the list admin who moderates and handles all list problems says real list problems only take her 2-3 hours a month and the rest are our user problems. And our focus is dealing with women in crisis - most are not even computer literate - so we really feel this list software is worth it - and it is FREE! Anyway - thanks for all those who have helped in the past and will help in the future and for a great product that to a newbie linux user isn't all that bad. Heather Lubinsky Director of Operations, PCOSA - Original Message - From: Brad Knowles [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: SysAdmin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, July 04, 2003 9:56 PM Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] So far, I'm very disappointed with Mailman At 7:51 PM -0700 2003/07/04, SysAdmin wrote: Anyone have a better mailing list tool than Mailman that you can recommend? I'd like to have something that I don't have to babysit so much. As much as I hate to do it, I might just have to go back to Majordomo (it has much better documentation, too). Sigh. I've been administering mail systems for over ten years. I've also been administering mailing lists for about that long. I've used majordomo, and we've recently upgraded to mailman 2.1.2 on the mailing lists I'm now administering. I can tell you, with some authority, that mailman is many orders of magnitude better than majordomo, with more features, and easier and more flexible to manage, both for people who are old hands at mailing list administration and people who have never done it before in their life. I really don't want to begin to contemplate what would be necessary for us to switch back to majordomo. Now, if you want to get some help with mailman, provide us more information about your configuration and just what exactly is not working well, and maybe we can help. Otherwise, you're wasting your time and ours. -- == Brad Knowles, [EMAIL PROTECTED] They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania. -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/heather%40pcgal.com -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] So far, I'm very disappointed with Mailman
On Fri, 4 Jul 2003 19:51:44 -0700 (PDT), you wrote: Anyone have a better mailing list tool than Mailman that you can recommend? I'd like to have something that I don't have to babysit so HAVE NOT tried it but many recommend Lyris. fwiw chas -- powered by Linux, Suse 8.2 Pro + Agent under Wine emulator Charles L Hamilton, Houston, TX chasm @ texas. net www.schuetzen.net -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
[Mailman-Users] So far, I'm very disappointed with Mailman
I've had nothing but problems with it. Majordomo sucked, but at least it stayed up and running. Mailman's processes are all there, but no messages get delivered to the lists (yes, I've already gone thru the FAQ and validated that everything is correctly configured, the cronjobs are running, etc.), and now it's stopped subscribing new users, too. It presents the listinfo pages correctly, appears to complete the subscribe transaction correctly, but the address doesn't get subscribed and the moderator/admin never gets notified to approve the request. It's like it just vanishes into the ether. I have to manually restart Mailman at least twice a day, just to get it to not perform correctly. I don't know what I'd have to do t get it running right...or maybe it's not possible to ever get it running right. Anyone have a better mailing list tool than Mailman that you can recommend? I'd like to have something that I don't have to babysit so much. As much as I hate to do it, I might just have to go back to Majordomo (it has much better documentation, too). Sigh. Bill -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] So far, I'm very disappointed with Mailman
On Fri, 4 Jul 2003 19:51:44 -0700 (PDT) SysAdmin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've had nothing but problems with it. Majordomo sucked, but at least it stayed up and running. This is hardly a way to get either sympathy or help. Mailman's processes are all there, but no messages get delivered... Then post the data that's needed to resolve the problem. You know the mantra and the ritual: what do the logs say? As much as I hate to do it, I might just have to go back to Majordomo (it has much better documentation, too). Sigh. I ship between 1 and 2 million messages a day through Mailman without any problems or SysAdm intervention. In the real of Mailman sites I'm fairly tiny. -- J C Lawrence -(*)Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. [EMAIL PROTECTED] He lived as a devil, eh? http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/ Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live. -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
