Re: [Mailman-Users] Topics and senders

[Martin Dennett]

Mark Sapiro wrote:
> Martin Dennett wrote:
>
>   
>> Mark Sapiro wrote:
>> 
>>> What Mailman version is this, and is it a package or a source install?
>>>
>>> I've only actually tested this on 2.1.5, but I see nothing in the code
>>> in other versions that would affect it.
>>>   
>> It's version 2.1.9.cp2, and a package. I'm with Site 5.
>> 
>
>
> OK. I've tested this now with Mailman 2.1.9+ with the same result,
> namely an urgent message is sent to all list members regardless of
> delivery status, regular/digest or other filters.
>
> Thus, not sending urgent messages to delivery disabled members in your
> case is most likely a cPanel 'feature'. See
> .
>
> In any case, it seems that using the Urgent: header for these kinds of
> messages is still a good solution for you as your Topics method didn't
> deliver to delivery disabled members either, nor did it deliver
> immediately to digest members, and the Urgent: header avoids the reply
> problem with topics.
Mark

Sorry for the delay - it's been a busy week...

I'll accept that it's down to cPanel - but I won't push my provider, for 
reasons I need not go into here.

I got my Topics issue sorted a while back, thanks to another member 
(whose name escapes me). What I did at that time was to edit the HTML 
page for user options to remove the disable delivery option, so that 
everybody either *has* to get mail that matches the topic, or sees it in 
the digest. I think in future I'll go with the Urgent: header though as 
it does avoid being bombarded with loads of emails asking "why am I 
getting this?"

Thanks for all you help

MD

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Topics and senders

[Mark Sapiro]

Martin Dennett wrote:

>Mark Sapiro wrote:
>>
>> What Mailman version is this, and is it a package or a source install?
>>
>> I've only actually tested this on 2.1.5, but I see nothing in the code
>> in other versions that would affect it.
>It's version 2.1.9.cp2, and a package. I'm with Site 5.


OK. I've tested this now with Mailman 2.1.9+ with the same result,
namely an urgent message is sent to all list members regardless of
delivery status, regular/digest or other filters.

Thus, not sending urgent messages to delivery disabled members in your
case is most likely a cPanel 'feature'. See
.

In any case, it seems that using the Urgent: header for these kinds of
messages is still a good solution for you as your Topics method didn't
deliver to delivery disabled members either, nor did it deliver
immediately to digest members, and the Urgent: header avoids the reply
problem with topics.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Topics and senders

[Martin Dennett]

Mark Sapiro wrote:
> Martin Dennett wrote:
>
>   
>> Mark Sapiro wrote:
>> 
>>> If you enable delivery for these test members, do they receive either
>>> ordinary or urgent posts?
>>>   
>> Yep - both types. Just tried them out now.
>> 
>
>
> What Mailman version is this, and is it a package or a source install?
>
> I've only actually tested this on 2.1.5, but I see nothing in the code
> in other versions that would affect it.
It's version 2.1.9.cp2, and a package. I'm with Site 5.

Any replies may not get a response until Monday evening (UK time) as I'm 
away for the weekend starting Thursday morning.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Topics and senders

[Mark Sapiro]

Martin Dennett wrote:

>Mark Sapiro wrote:
>>
>> If you enable delivery for these test members, do they receive either
>> ordinary or urgent posts?
>Yep - both types. Just tried them out now.


What Mailman version is this, and is it a package or a source install?

I've only actually tested this on 2.1.5, but I see nothing in the code
in other versions that would affect it.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Topics and senders

[Martin Dennett]

Mark Sapiro wrote:
> Martin Dennett wrote:
>
>   
>> Mark Sapiro wrote:
>> 
>>> Check Mailman's smtp and smtp-failure logs to see how many recipients
>>> Mailman sent to and if there were any failures at the smtp level. Also
>>> check the bounce log for bounces and the MTA logs.
>>>   
>>>   
>> Out of my reach unfortunately - I don't have access to them :-(
>> 
>
>
> OK.
>
> If you enable delivery for these test members, do they receive either
> ordinary or urgent posts?
Yep - both types. Just tried them out now.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Topics and senders

[Mark Sapiro]

Martin Dennett wrote:

>Mark Sapiro wrote:
>>
>> Check Mailman's smtp and smtp-failure logs to see how many recipients
>> Mailman sent to and if there were any failures at the smtp level. Also
>> check the bounce log for bounces and the MTA logs.
>>   
>Out of my reach unfortunately - I don't have access to them :-(


OK.

If you enable delivery for these test members, do they receive either
ordinary or urgent posts?

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Topics and senders

[Martin Dennett]

Mark Sapiro wrote:
> Martin Dennett wrote:
>
>   
>> No, definitely not. As explained above, this account I'm sending from 
>> now received the message OK. I amended the settings for this account to 
>> digest only and the mail got through as a regular mail, as you 
>> explained, so I'm at a loss as to explain why. Any further ideas?
>> 
>
>
> Check Mailman's smtp and smtp-failure logs to see how many recipients
> Mailman sent to and if there were any failures at the smtp level. Also
> check the bounce log for bounces and the MTA logs.
>   
Out of my reach unfortunately - I don't have access to them :-(

Rgds

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Topics and senders

[Mark Sapiro]

Martin Dennett wrote:

>No, definitely not. As explained above, this account I'm sending from 
>now received the message OK. I amended the settings for this account to 
>digest only and the mail got through as a regular mail, as you 
>explained, so I'm at a loss as to explain why. Any further ideas?


Check Mailman's smtp and smtp-failure logs to see how many recipients
Mailman sent to and if there were any failures at the smtp level. Also
check the bounce log for bounces and the MTA logs.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Topics and senders

[Martin Dennett]

Mark Sapiro wrote:
> Martin Dennett wrote:
>   
>> I have a test list, and tried this out. I subscribed a couple of extra 
>> accounts of mine to the list, and set them to No Mail (disabled by 
>> administrator). Sending a mail to the list with the "Urgent: " 
>> header worked for my normal account (this one), but not for the other 
>> accounts. Any ideas as to why? I assume it's the (A) flag?
>> 
>
>
> It shouldn't be. The Urgent: header does one of two things. If the
> password is correct, it bypasses all the filters including nomail for
> any reason and makes the recipient list equal to all the list members,
> regular and digest.. If the password is not correct, it just sends the
> message back to you with the same subject and wrapped with another
> part that says
>
>   Your urgent message to the  mailing list was not authorized
>   for delivery.  The original message as received by Mailman is
>   attached.
>
> Are you sure that's not what you received?
>   
No, definitely not. As explained above, this account I'm sending from 
now received the message OK. I amended the settings for this account to 
digest only and the mail got through as a regular mail, as you 
explained, so I'm at a loss as to explain why. Any further ideas?

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Topics and senders

[Martin Dennett]

Mark

Thanks for that. I'm wasn't familiar with customising Thunderbird, and 
my other co-moderator uses OE (for his sins). I did manage to follow the 
latter link of your mail to set up the header though.

I have a test list, and tried this out. I subscribed a couple of extra 
accounts of mine to the list, and set them to No Mail (disabled by 
administrator). Sending a mail to the list with the "Urgent: " 
header worked for my normal account (this one), but not for the other 
accounts. Any ideas as to why? I assume it's the (A) flag?

On a better note, I checked the headers and found that the password 
doesn't appear ;-). Don't want my more savvy members checking things out 
and discovering what they shouldn't ;-)

Rgds

MD

Mark Sapiro wrote:
> Brad Knowles wrote:
>
>   
>> At 8:10 AM +0100 4/2/07, Martin Dennett wrote:
>>
>> 
>>>  Is there anyway I can amend the topic so that only mails
>>>  from a moderator address are sent to the list, and not the replies?
>>>   
>> But there's no per-topic control over this sort of thing.  At least, 
>> not without making source-code modifications.
>> 
>
>
> But there is a better way. Include a header in the post
>
> Urgent: 
>
> where  is the list admin or moderator password and the post
> will be sent to all list members regardless of topic filters, delivery
> status or regular/digest.
>
> Note that this must be a message header. putting it in the body will
> only result in the password being sent to the list.
>
> Martin used Thunderbird to send the OP. See
>  for information on adding
> custom headers with Thunderbird, and if you need additional help, see
> .
>
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Topics and senders

[Mark Sapiro]

Martin Dennett wrote:
>
>I have a test list, and tried this out. I subscribed a couple of extra 
>accounts of mine to the list, and set them to No Mail (disabled by 
>administrator). Sending a mail to the list with the "Urgent: " 
>header worked for my normal account (this one), but not for the other 
>accounts. Any ideas as to why? I assume it's the (A) flag?


It shouldn't be. The Urgent: header does one of two things. If the
password is correct, it bypasses all the filters including nomail for
any reason and makes the recipient list equal to all the list members,
regular and digest.. If the password is not correct, it just sends the
message back to you with the same subject and wrapped with another
part that says

  Your urgent message to the  mailing list was not authorized
  for delivery.  The original message as received by Mailman is
  attached.

Are you sure that's not what you received?


>On a better note, I checked the headers and found that the password 
>doesn't appear ;-). Don't want my more savvy members checking things out 
>and discovering what they shouldn't ;-)


That's right. The Urgent: header will be removed before the message is
sent to the list members.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Topics and senders

[Mark Sapiro]

Brad Knowles wrote:

>At 8:10 AM +0100 4/2/07, Martin Dennett wrote:
>
>>  Is there anyway I can amend the topic so that only mails
>>  from a moderator address are sent to the list, and not the replies?
>
>But there's no per-topic control over this sort of thing.  At least, 
>not without making source-code modifications.


But there is a better way. Include a header in the post

Urgent: 

where  is the list admin or moderator password and the post
will be sent to all list members regardless of topic filters, delivery
status or regular/digest.

Note that this must be a message header. putting it in the body will
only result in the password being sent to the list.

Martin used Thunderbird to send the OP. See
 for information on adding
custom headers with Thunderbird, and if you need additional help, see
.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Topics and senders

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At 8:10 AM +0100 4/2/07, Martin Dennett wrote:

>  I have a topic set up which I use to be able to send to ALL members of
>  the list, even if they choose to read on the web only (similar to the
>  Yahoo Special Notices feature). However, if anyone replies to a mail
>  that follows the rule, all members subscribed to the topic also receive
>  those replies. Is there anyway I can amend the topic so that only mails
>  from a moderator address are sent to the list, and not the replies?

You can make everyone on the list moderated, so that only the 
moderator is allowed to post to the list, or is required to approve 
posts before they go through.

But there's no per-topic control over this sort of thing.  At least, 
not without making source-code modifications.

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[Mailman-Users] Topics and senders

[Martin Dennett]

Hi

I have a topic set up which I use to be able to send to ALL members of 
the list, even if they choose to read on the web only (similar to the 
Yahoo Special Notices feature). However, if anyone replies to a mail 
that follows the rule, all members subscribed to the topic also receive 
those replies. Is there anyway I can amend the topic so that only mails 
from a moderator address are sent to the list, and not the replies?

Rgds

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