[Mailman-Users] problem with non-member Sender rules

[Laack, Andrea P. via Mailman-Users]

Our non-member Sender rules work fine with emails coming directly from the 
sender, but our servers send emails to root@ and those are forwarded to 
the mail list.  The Sender filters do not seem to be working on this forwarded 
email.  How can we get around this?

Andrea

Andrea Laack
Research & Tech Innov Svcs
Mayo Clinic
507-538-3831
laack.and...@mayo.edu

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[Mailman-Users] Problem with outlook.com

[Stephen J. Turnbull]

pau.bai...@csuc.cat writes:

 > We have a problem with some Outlook users who on the list return
 > this error:

This is an Outlook problem.  With luck somebody here may have an
answer, but we are not Outlook experts.  You should go to Outlook
channels for help.

Here's my best guess:
The error message is completely garbled (or is that just the way
Outlook rolls?), but it looks like there is data encoded in
"eucgb2312-cn".  I've seen a lot of Chinese over the years, but I
don't think I've ever seen that encoding.  So my guess is that some of
your users have Outlook installations that know what that is, and some
don't.  (I would bet that it's just an alias for what almost everyone
calls "gb2312", IIRC that's 8-bit EUC-formatted by default, although
there are 16-bit and 7-bit versions as well.)

The easiest thing is to tell your users who are sending in that
encoding to cut it out (getting admins to fix mail software is really
hard, but most mail clients have flexible settings for preferred
encodings).  Use "gb2312" itself, or "gbk" or "gb18030" (superset
encodings of "gb2312"), or "UTF-8" (a different encoding), and I bet
the problem evaporates.

Steve

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[Mailman-Users] Problem with outlook.com

[pau . baiges]

We have a problem with some Outlook users who on the list return this error:

Error: ‎550 5.6.0 CAT.InvalidContent.Exception: ExchangeDataException, Decoding 
of header Subject failed+ADs- raw value: +AFs-Ens+AF0- 
+AD0-?eucgb2312+AF8-cn?q?An+AD0-A8+AD0-A4lisis+AF8-i+AF8-adequaci+AD0-A8+AD0-AE?+AD0-;
 cannot handle content of message with InternalId 3332894626847, 
InternetMessageId

There are Outlook users who, with the same subject, send the email correctly 
and everyone receives it, but there are others who get this error.
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[Mailman-Users] problem with reply behavior

[public]

Hi, all. I am trying to set up a Mailman list, and I've encountered a problem. 
I'm new to this, and I could really use some help.

I want replies to go to the individual poster, but they're going to the list 
instead. I have first_strip_reply_to set to No and reply_goes_to_list set to 
Poster. I've tried posting an original message from two different email clients 
(Thunderbird and Roundcube), and I've also tried replying to those message 
using the same two clients. You can an example below. Do you have any idea what 
I'm missing? 

Thank you. Eli


Return-Path: 
Delivered-To: pub...@eli-damon.info
Received: from bexa.itabix.com
by bexa.itabix.com with LMTP
id cAdDGKBhVWRqGQAAiAjaog
(envelope-from )
for ; Fri, 05 May 2023 16:05:52 -0400
Return-path: 
Envelope-to: pub...@eli-damon.info
Delivery-date: Fri, 05 May 2023 16:05:52 -0400
Received: from [::1] (port=58672 helo=bexa.itabix.com)
by bexa.itabix.com with esmtp (Exim 4.96)
(envelope-from )
id 1pv1ge-0002tG-1n;
Fri, 05 May 2023 16:05:52 -0400
Received: from 071-010-231-086.res.spectrum.com ([71.10.231.86]:59560)
 by bexa.itabix.com with esmtpsa (TLS1.2) tls
 TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (Exim 4.96)
 (envelope-from ) id 1pv1gd-0002si-0a
 for comm-disabil...@eli-damon.info; Fri, 05 May 2023 16:05:51 -0400
Message-ID: 
Date: Fri, 5 May 2023 16:05:50 -0400
MIME-Version: 1.0
User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:102.0) Gecko/20100101
 Thunderbird/102.10.0
Content-Language: en-US
To: comm-disabil...@eli-damon.info
From: Eli Damon 
Subject: [COD] test 5
X-BeenThere: comm-disabil...@eli-damon.info
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.39
Precedence: list
List-Id: "Commission On Disability \(internal\)"
 
List-Unsubscribe: 
, 
 
List-Archive: 

List-Post: 
List-Help: 
List-Subscribe: 
, 
 
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed"
Errors-To: comm-disability-boun...@eli-damon.info
Sender: "comm-disability" 

Test 5


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[Mailman-Users] Problem with no bounce messages

[Ivan Tejeiro Izquierdo]

Hi:

I use postfix as an MTA and on the same mailman 2. When mail is sent to a list 
that does not exist, the mail stays in the postfix queue in deferred state. Is 
there any configuration at the mailman or postfix level for that those emails 
that are passed to mailman to lists that do not exist be rejected immediately 
as when it is sent to an address that does not exist and that is handled 
locally by postfix?.

Thank you so much.
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[Mailman-Users] Problem with the Approved message confirmation

[Ivan Tejeiro Izquierdo]

Hi:

First of all, thanks for this free software that works so well and 
congratulations.

I use the 2.1.15 version in production server and all works well, but we have a 
strange operation.

I send a message to a moderated list, the moderator receives a message to 
moderate it, I receive a message that my email is pending moderation, so far 
everything is correct, but the problem is that when the moderator approves the 
moderation, the email that arrives confirming that the moderation is Approved, 
it reaches the moderator, not me, who am the sender and I want to know if my 
message has been approved. I need the message that says "your message has been 
approved reaches the sender.
Is this operation like this, or do I have something wrong?

Many thanks.
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[Mailman-Users] Problem with SPF, DKIM or Mailman-DMARC settings

[Stephen J. Turnbull]

Kala Balik writes:
 >Dear Mailman-Users,
 > 
 >I have a Mailman instance running on a vServer with Plesk, but am using
 >email services from my provider (different IP and MX-Domain than the
 >Mailman machine). Emails in the format n...@domain.tld generally seem
 >to work. However, when I send an email from the same adress to one of
 >my Mailman lists at subdomain.domain.tld, I get many bouncees who will
 >eventually be removed from the list.
 > 
 >My question is: What is wrong here, my SPF or DKIM settings

Can't speak to those, but only guess, since you don't provide them.
SPF is irrelevant to mailman; it will always fail unless the original
sender and the mailing list use the same IP address.  My guess is that
there is a problem with your DKIM setup, see below.

 >OR my Mailman-DMARC settings?
 > 
 >My Mailman-DMARC settings are the following:
 > 
 >from_is_list: No
 >anonymous_list: No
 >dmarc_moderation_action: Munge from
 >dmarc_quarantine_moderation_action: Yes
 >dmarc_none_moderation_action: No

These are expected and should be sufficient to prevent DMARC rejects.
I do not understand the behavior you describe.  Some guesses below,
and a description of what I think "should" be happening.  Maybe that
will spark a thought as to what's going one here.

Wild guess: There is also a setting in Mailman to remove DKIM
signatures.  If Google is only evaluating the broken DKIM SIG#1, and
not the good SIG#2, this should help.  (SIG#1 and SIG#2 are explained
below.)

 >From Google I received reports of which the following XML is a
 >clipping:
 >  
 >subdomain.domain.tld
 >r
 >r
 >reject
 >reject
 >100
 >  

The Munge_from action replaces the From email address of the author
with the From address of the list.  Google is saying that you have set
the DMARC policy for your subdomain to "p=reject".  Is that correct?

Then it says

 >fail
 >fail

so the authentication of this message against your server has failed.
I can't say why SPF failed; if there are any MXes between you and
Google that would do the trick.  It is strange that DKIM fails.  What
I would expect to happen is

1.  You compose mail "From: y...@subdomain.domain.tld", and pass it
to your MTA.
2.  The MTA signs the mail with DKIM (SIG#1), and passes the mail
to Mailman.
3.  Mailman adds stuff to the mail and breaks SIG#1.
4.  Mailman checks your DMARC policy, which is "p=reject".
5.  Mailman changes From from "y...@subdomain.domain.tld" to
"l...@subdomain.domain.tld".
4.  Mailman passes the mail (back) to the MTA.
5.  The MTA signs the mail (as altered by Mailman) with DKIM (SIG#2).
6.  The MTA passes the mail to Google.
7.  Google checks SPF, SIG#2, and SIG#1, getting (fail, pass, fail).

 This is what's different.  Maybe Google only checks SIG#1?

But DKIM signatures are treated as "trace" fields, which means
that SIG#2 should come *first* in the message.  So I would think
if Google only checks one, that would be the one to check.
8.  Google checks your DMARC policy, which is "p=reject".
9.  Since SIG#2, which passed, is from subdomain.domain.tld and so
is From, DMARC passes.

But for some reason DKIM fails.  Without more information, I can't say
why.  Perhaps your MTA isn't signing outgoing from Mailman?  Perhaps
your submission server does the signing for individual mail and the
MTA doesn't sign at all?  Perhaps the signing milter in the MTA is
configured before some other milter that changes things?  Perhaps
there's something else between the MTA Mailman talks to and Google
that is altering the mail?

 >
 >  forwarded
 >  looks forwarded, downgrade to quarantine with
 >phishing warning
 >
 >  

I'm not sure what this is about.  I would expect Google to see your
list traffic as list traffic, so that "looks forwarded" is normal and
should not be considered a reason for quarantine.  Do you have the RFC
2369 "List-*" headers enabled?

Hope this helps.

Steve
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[Mailman-Users] Problem with SPF, DKIM or Mailman-DMARC settings

[Kala Balik]

   Dear Mailman-Users,

   I have a Mailman instance running on a vServer with Plesk, but am using
   email services from my provider (different IP and MX-Domain than the
   Mailman machine). Emails in the format n...@domain.tld generally seem
   to work. However, when I send an email from the same adress to one of
   my Mailman lists at subdomain.domain.tld, I get many bouncees who will
   eventually be removed from the list.

   My question is: What is wrong here, my SPF or DKIM settings OR my
   Mailman-DMARC settings?

   My Mailman-DMARC settings are the following:

   from_is_list: No
   anonymous_list: No
   dmarc_moderation_action: Munge from
   dmarc_quarantine_moderation_action: Yes
   dmarc_none_moderation_action: No

   From Google I received reports of which the following XML is a
   clipping:

   
   
 
   google.com
   noreply-dmarc-supp...@google.com
   ...
 
 
   subdomain.domain.tld
   r
   r
   reject
   reject
   100
 
 
   
 123.456.78.90
 1
 
   quarantine
   fail
   fail
   
 forwarded
 looks forwarded, downgrade to quarantine with
   phishing warning
   
 
   
   
 subdomain.domain.tld
   
   
 
   subdomain.domain.tld
   fail
   default
 
 
   subdomain.domain.tld
   softfail
 
   
 
 
   
 123.456.789.0
 1
 
   quarantine
   fail
   fail
   
 forwarded
 looks forwarded, downgrade to quarantine with
   phishing warning
   
 
   
   
 subdomain.domain.tld
   
   
 
   subdomain.domain.tld
   fail
   default
 
 
   some.random.domain.name
   pass
 
   
 

   Thanks for your help!
   CK
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[Mailman-Users] Problem with outlook.com

[nikos]

Hello list.

For some reason none of hotmail or outlook users don't receive any of 
our newsletter. Finally all of them auto unsubscribe.


The following is an error received form protection.outlook.com:

Remote Server returned '550 5.6.0 CAT.InvalidContent.Exception: 
ExchangeDataException, Decoding of header Subject failed+ADs- raw value: 
+AFs-Ps+AF0- 
+AD0-?iso8859-7?b?wer98fnz5yDF8OX05enh6t7yIOXq5N7r+-fPn8iDz9Oft?+AD0-; 
cannot handle content of message


That happened since September 10th this year. Before, all received 
without problem.


Any suggestions?

Thank you in advance.

Nikos.
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[Mailman-Users] Problem with unsubscribe from host with tor node

[Konrad Wawryn]

Hi,

I would like to unsubscribe that list but it seems that Your MX which 
hosting mailman-us...@pythong.org is not Tor friendly.


Im getting confirmation from Your host, that my unsubscribe e-mail has 
been rejected - because it looks like spam. Also I`m not able to do it 
using website provided in Your E-mail footer.



IP of my server is blacklisted by primitive BL pyzor.org - because its 
part of the tor network.



Please remove by address from Your list and be more TOR friendly if 
possible.





Cheers
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[Mailman-Users] Problem running CGI - Mailman Admin UI

[Odhiambo Washington]

Hello List Admins,

I am somehow at the end of my thinking capacity with this problem, yet I
think it's something minor that a third eye can help me with:
I have installed mailman-2.1.34 on a brand new box running FreeBSD-12.1.
The problem is that the web UI won't open. It instead prompts me
to download a file. The contents of the file can be seen from the below
link:

https://pastebin.com/8bh6g6rv

How I have done the installation:
1. I did the manual options
cd mailman-2.1.34
./configure --with-cgi-gid=80 --with-mail-gid=26
make
make install

2. The files in /usr/local/mailman:
drwxrwsr-x  24 root mailman   1024 Jul 22 17:42 .
drwxr-xr-x  29 root wheel 1024 Jul 19 16:08 ..
drwxrwsr-x  11 root mailman   3072 Jul 22 15:52 Mailman
drwxrwsr-x   5 mailman  mailman512 Jul 19 17:32 archives
drwxrwsr-x   2 root mailman   1536 Jul 22 15:52 bin
drwxrwsr-x   2 root mailman512 Jul 22 15:52 cgi-bin
drwxrwsr-x   2 root mailman512 Jul 23 02:19 cron
drwxrwsr-x   2 root mailman512 Jul 22 15:52 data
drwxrwsr-x   2 root mailman512 Jul 22 15:52 icons
-rw-r--r--   1 root mailman 10 Apr 18  2015 last_mailman_version
drwxrwsr-x  27 root mailman   1024 Jul 19 17:32 lists
drwxrwsr-x   2 root mailman512 Jul 23 12:00 locks
drwxrwsr-x   2 root mailman512 Jul 22 12:44 logs
drwxrwsr-x   2 root mailman512 Jul 22 15:52 mail
drwxrwsrwx  22 root mailman512 Jul 29  2017 mailman
drwxrwsr-x  41 root mailman512 Dec  7  2018 messages
drwxrwsr-x   3 root mailman512 Jul 19 17:32 pythonlib
drwxrwsr-x  12 root mailman512 Jul 19 17:32 qfiles
drwxrwsr-x   2 root mailman512 Jul 22 15:52 scripts
drwxrwsr-x   2 root mailman512 Jul 19 17:32 spam
drwxrwsr-x  45 root mailman   1024 Jul 19 17:32 templates
drwxrwsr-x   4 root mailman512 Jul 22 15:52 tests

3. The file perms in the cgi-bin/
-rwxr-sr-x   1 root  mailman   32728 Jul 22 15:52 admin
-rwxr-sr-x   1 root  mailman   32728 Jul 22 15:52 admindb
-rwxr-sr-x   1 root  mailman   32728 Jul 22 15:52 confirm
-rwxr-sr-x   1 root  mailman   32728 Jul 22 15:52 create
-rwxr-sr-x   1 root  mailman   32728 Jul 22 15:52 edithtml
-rwxr-sr-x   1 root  mailman   19312 Jul 19 17:32 htdig
-rwxr-sr-x   1 root  mailman   32728 Jul 22 15:52 listinfo
-rwxr-sr-x   1 root  mailman   19312 Jul 19 17:32 mmsearch
-rwxr-sr-x   1 root  mailman   32728 Jul 22 15:52 options
-rwxr-sr-x   1 root  mailman   32728 Jul 22 15:52 private
-rwxr-sr-x   1 root  mailman   32728 Jul 22 15:52 rmlist
-rwxr-sr-x   1 root  mailman   32728 Jul 22 15:52 roster
-rw-r-Sr--   1 root  mailman   37742 Nov 25  2012 sitemap.xml.gz
-rwxr-sr-x   1 root  mailman   32728 Jul 22 15:52 subscribe
-rwxr-sr-x   1 root  mailman  108566 Oct 23  2009 swish.cgi

root@gw:/usr/local/etc/apache24/Includes # id mailman
uid=91(mailman) gid=91(mailman) groups=91(mailman),26(mailnull),80(www)

root@gw:/usr/local/etc/apache24/Includes # id www
uid=80(www) gid=80(www) groups=80(www),72(rt4)


VirtualHost configuration:


  ServerName lists.mydom.ain
  ServerAdmin odhia...@gmail.com
  ErrorLog /var/log/mailman-error.log

  RewriteEngine On
# RedirectPermanent /mailman/ https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/
  RewriteRule ^/(mailman|pipermail|icons|htdig)/.+$ - [S=1]
  RewriteRule ^/(mailman|pipermail|icons|htdig)(/.*)
https://%{HTTP_HOST}/$1$2$3$4
[L,R]
  RedirectPermanent /htdig /icons/htdig
  RedirectMatch ^/mailman[/]*$   /mailman/listinfo/

  Alias /pipermail "/usr/local/mailman/archives/public"
  
Options Indexes FollowSymlinks
AllowOverride all
Order Allow,Deny
Allow from all
Require all granted
   

 ScriptAlias /mailman/ /usr/local/mailman/cgi-bin/
  
 Options FollowSymLinks ExecCGI
 AllowOverride None
 Order Allow,Deny
 Allow from all
 Require all granted
  
 


What is it that I am being blind to that makes the web UI not open?

Thanking you in advance for being my third eye.


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[Mailman-Users] problem with locale settings and command line interface

[mailman]

Hi,

I've mailing lists with some members using non ASCII characters in there 
names, like "Franz Müller ".


Mailman 2.1.29 is installed. When I run "list_members -f mylist" I get 
question marks in the output. My locale settings:


LANG=en_US.UTF-8
LANGUAGE=en_US:en
LC_CTYPE="en_US.UTF-8"
LC_NUMERIC="en_US.UTF-8"
LC_TIME="en_US.UTF-8"
LC_COLLATE="en_US.UTF-8"
LC_MONETARY="en_US.UTF-8"
LC_MESSAGES="en_US.UTF-8"
LC_PAPER="en_US.UTF-8"
LC_NAME="en_US.UTF-8"
LC_ADDRESS="en_US.UTF-8"
LC_TELEPHONE="en_US.UTF-8"
LC_MEASUREMENT="en_US.UTF-8"
LC_IDENTIFICATION="en_US.UTF-8"
LC_ALL=

What can I do to get the names in UTF-8?

Thanks

Torsten


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[Mailman-Users] Problem with mailman-loop address

[Mark Sapiro]

On 6/8/19 9:58 AM, ratatouille wrote:
> Hello!
> 
> Mark Sapiro  schrieb am 08.06.19 um 08:13:24 Uhr:
> 
>> On 6/8/19 3:29 AM, ratatouille wrote:
>>>
>>> In /var/lib/mailman/data/aliases there is no alias like mailman-loop.
>>>
>>> What's wrong here and how do I fix this?  
>>
>>
>> There should be. If Mailman is generating this file, it should contain
>>
>> # The ultimate loop stopper address
>> mailman-loop: /var/lib/mailman/data/owner-bounces.mbox
>>
>> Try running Mailman's bin/genaliases
> 
> I did this already, it is not there.
> 
>  # STANZA START: mailman
> # CREATED: Sat Jun  8 11:43:23 2019
> mailman: "|/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman post mailman"
> mailman-admin:   "|/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman admin mailman"
> mailman-bounces: "|/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman bounces mailman"
> mailman-confirm: "|/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman confirm mailman"
> mailman-join:"|/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman join mailman"
> mailman-leave:   "|/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman leave mailman"
> mailman-owner:   "|/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman owner mailman"
> mailman-request: "|/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman request mailman"
> mailman-subscribe:   "|/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman subscribe mailman"
> mailman-unsubscribe: "|/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman unsubscribe mailman"
> # STANZA END: mailman

It's not in that stanza. The beginning of the aliases file, even in
2.1.17 should be

> # This file is generated by Mailman, and is kept in sync with the
> # binary hash file aliases.db.  YOU SHOULD NOT MANUALLY EDIT THIS FILE
> # unless you know what you're doing, and can keep the two files properly
> # in sync.  If you screw it up, you're on your own.
> 
> # The ultimate loop stopper address
> mailman-loop: /var/lib/mailman/data/owner-bounces.mbox


If this is not the case, what Mailman package is this?


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Re: [Mailman-Users] Problem with mailman-loop address

[ratatouille]

Hello!

Mark Sapiro  schrieb am 08.06.19 um 08:13:24 Uhr:

> On 6/8/19 3:29 AM, ratatouille wrote:
> > 
> > In /var/lib/mailman/data/aliases there is no alias like mailman-loop.
> > 
> > What's wrong here and how do I fix this?  
> 
> 
> There should be. If Mailman is generating this file, it should contain
> 
> # The ultimate loop stopper address
> mailman-loop: /var/lib/mailman/data/owner-bounces.mbox
> 
> Try running Mailman's bin/genaliases

I did this already, it is not there.

 # STANZA START: mailman
# CREATED: Sat Jun  8 11:43:23 2019
mailman: "|/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman post mailman"
mailman-admin:   "|/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman admin mailman"
mailman-bounces: "|/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman bounces mailman"
mailman-confirm: "|/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman confirm mailman"
mailman-join:"|/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman join mailman"
mailman-leave:   "|/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman leave mailman"
mailman-owner:   "|/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman owner mailman"
mailman-request: "|/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman request mailman"
mailman-subscribe:   "|/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman subscribe mailman"
mailman-unsubscribe: "|/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman unsubscribe mailman"
# STANZA END: mailman

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Problem with mailman-loop address

[Mark Sapiro]

On 6/8/19 3:29 AM, ratatouille wrote:
> 
> In /var/lib/mailman/data/aliases there is no alias like mailman-loop.
> 
> What's wrong here and how do I fix this?


There should be. If Mailman is generating this file, it should contain

# The ultimate loop stopper address
mailman-loop: /var/lib/mailman/data/owner-bounces.mbox

Try running Mailman's bin/genaliases

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[Mailman-Users] Problem with mailman-loop address

[ratatouille]

Hello!

Using mailman 2.1.17

Today I found this in the logfile:

Jun  1 05:16:16 bitmachine1 postfix/qmgr[4215]: 3070F181214: 
from=, size=6027, nrcpt=1 (queue active)
Jun  1 05:16:16 bitmachine1 postfix/smtpd[3659]: proxy-accept: END-OF-MESSAGE: 
250 2.0.0 from MTA(smtp:[127.0.0.1]:10025): 250 2.0.0 Ok: queued as 
3070F181214; from= to= 
proto=ESMTP helo=
Jun  1 05:16:16 bitmachine1 postfix/lmtp[3687]: 599AE1811EF: 
to=, 
relay=mail.bitcorner.de[private/dovecot-lmtp], delay=0.05, 
delays=0.02/0/0.03/0.01, dsn=5.1.1, status=bounced (host 
mail.bitcorner.de[private/dovecot-lmtp] said: 550 5.1.1 
 User doesn't exist: 
mailman-l...@listen.bitcorner.de (in reply to RCPT TO command)

In /var/lib/mailman/data/aliases there is no alias like mailman-loop.

What's wrong here and how do I fix this?

Kind regards

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Problem Delivering Mail

[Odhiambo Washington]

Hi David,

You'll have to dig deeper into cPanel documentation to find where the
problem is.

If you have shell access, then a simple exim -bt j...@nfbnet.org should
tell you whether the address is deliverable or not.

Exim+Mailman integration involves the MACROS, the routers and transports,
and the mm_cfg.py and I must say I don't know how those are done with
cPanel. I know how to do them via CLI though.


On 15 January 2018 at 23:26, David Andrews  wrote:

> Some of my lists, and some of my users are unable to send mail. The users
> get a message like this:
>
> Subject: Mail delivery failed: returning message to sender
>
> This message was created automatically by mail delivery software.
>
> A message that you sent could not be delivered to one or more of its
> recipients. This is a permanent error. The following address(es) failed:
>
>   j...@nfbnet.org
> local delivery failed
>
> Reporting-MTA: dns; host.nfbnet.org
>
> Action: failed
> Final-Recipient: rfc822;j...@nfbnet.org
> Status: 5.0.0
>
> Received: from smtp33.relay.iad3a.emailsrvr.com (localhost [127.0.0.1])
> by smtp33.relay.iad3a.emailsrvr.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id
> D8CA42B83
> for ; Mon, 15 Jan 2018 13:26:18 -0500 (EST)
> Received: by smtp33.relay.iad3a.emailsrvr.com (Authenticated sender:
> xxx@yyy.zzzus) with ESMTPSA id A014A5807
> for ; Mon, 15 Jan 2018 13:26:18 -0500 (EST)
> Received: from mmlenovo ([UNAVAILABLE]. [173.217.232.59])
> (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384)
> by 0.0.0.0:465 (trex/5.7.12);
> Mon, 15 Jan 2018 13:26:18 -0500
> Received: from smtp64.iad3a.emailsrvr.com ([173.203.187.64]:33780)
> by host.nfbnet.org with esmtps (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-
> SHA384:256)
> (Exim 4.89_1)
>
>
> It is on more than one list -- and more than one user.  This is a cPanel
> installation, but I don't know that this is related, and I have access to
> everything.
>
> Thanks for any ideas.
>
> Dave
>
>
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Problem Delivering Mail

[David Andrews]

At 03:03 PM 1/15/2018, Mark Sapiro wrote:
On 01/15/2018 12:26 PM, David Andrews wrote: > 
Some of my lists, and some of my users are 
unable to send mail. The > users get a message 
like this: > > Subject: Mail delivery failed: 
returning message to sender > > This message was 
created automatically by mail delivery 
software. > > A message that you sent could not 
be delivered to one or more of its > recipients. 
This is a permanent error. The following 
address(es) failed: > > Â  j...@nfbnet.org > Â Â 
  local delivery failed > > Reporting-MTA: dns; 
host.nfbnet.org > > Action: failed > 
Final-Recipient: rfc822;j...@nfbnet.org > 
Status: 5.0.0 ... > It is on more than one list 
-- and more than one user.  This is a cPanel > 
installation, but I don't know that this is 
related, and I have access > to everything. So 
presumably j...@nfbnet.org is the list. If this 
is cPanel, the MTA is almost certainly Exim, and 
in my experiencer, Exim logs aren't as detailed 
as the ones I'm more used to, but what is in the 
Exim logs related to this message. You might 
also consider contacting cPanel about this. See 
 and 
. -- Mark Sapiro



Thanks everybody, things working again.  Not sure 
what caused the problem, I did delete a file last 
night, but it shouldn't have broken all lists, but maybe it did.
Got a auto message from cPanel about Mailman RPM 
being out of kilter, and gave me a command to 
fix. It basically reinstalled Mailman I think, but everything working again.


Dave

p.s.  I know just enough to be dangerous -- which isn't very much!

DA



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Re: [Mailman-Users] Problem Delivering Mail

[Mark Sapiro]

On 01/15/2018 12:26 PM, David Andrews wrote:
> Some of my lists, and some of my users are unable to send mail. The
> users get a message like this:
> 
> Subject: Mail delivery failed: returning message to sender
> 
> This message was created automatically by mail delivery software.
> 
> A message that you sent could not be delivered to one or more of its
> recipients. This is a permanent error. The following address(es) failed:
> 
>   j...@nfbnet.org
>     local delivery failed
> 
> Reporting-MTA: dns; host.nfbnet.org
> 
> Action: failed
> Final-Recipient: rfc822;j...@nfbnet.org
> Status: 5.0.0
...
> It is on more than one list -- and more than one user.  This is a cPanel
> installation, but I don't know that this is related, and I have access
> to everything.


So presumably j...@nfbnet.org is the list. If this is cPanel, the MTA is
almost certainly Exim, and in my experiencer, Exim logs aren't as
detailed as the ones I'm more used to, but what is in the Exim logs
related to this message.

You might also consider contacting cPanel about this. See
 and .

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[Mailman-Users] Problem Delivering Mail

[David Andrews]

Some of my lists, and some of my users are unable to send mail. The 
users get a message like this:


Subject: Mail delivery failed: returning message to sender

This message was created automatically by mail delivery software.

A message that you sent could not be delivered to one or more of its
recipients. This is a permanent error. The following address(es) failed:

  j...@nfbnet.org
local delivery failed

Reporting-MTA: dns; host.nfbnet.org

Action: failed
Final-Recipient: rfc822;j...@nfbnet.org
Status: 5.0.0

Received: from smtp33.relay.iad3a.emailsrvr.com (localhost [127.0.0.1])
by smtp33.relay.iad3a.emailsrvr.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 
D8CA42B83
for ; Mon, 15 Jan 2018 13:26:18 -0500 (EST)
Received: by smtp33.relay.iad3a.emailsrvr.com (Authenticated sender: 
xxx@yyy.zzzus) with ESMTPSA id A014A5807

for ; Mon, 15 Jan 2018 13:26:18 -0500 (EST)
Received: from mmlenovo ([UNAVAILABLE]. [173.217.232.59])
(using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384)
by 0.0.0.0:465 (trex/5.7.12);
Mon, 15 Jan 2018 13:26:18 -0500
Received: from smtp64.iad3a.emailsrvr.com ([173.203.187.64]:33780)
by host.nfbnet.org with esmtps (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256)
(Exim 4.89_1)


It is on more than one list -- and more than one user.  This is a 
cPanel installation, but I don't know that this is related, and I 
have access to everything.


Thanks for any ideas.

Dave



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[Mailman-Users] Problem with Public Forums on Ibiblio

[sherwin]

Hi,

For the past few days, I have been unable to get Ibiblio to respond to any

of the postings on your public Ibiblio forum.  Is there some kind of 
technical


problem and if so, when can I expect things to come back up?

   Sherwin Dubren

   Forum Administrator for Midfex

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Problem with AOL

[David Andrews]

Thanks!  As usual You're the man!

Dave

p.s.  I suppose I could edit and use for gmail too, and put them in a 
cron job and run once a day to take care of new folks.



At 04:30 PM 2/14/2017, Mark Sapiro wrote:

On 02/14/2017 07:40 AM, David Andrews wrote:
>
> Well I will have to investigate further and see if that is the problem.
> You said "some time ago," and it is recent with me, which means it could
> be something else, or not.


True, but you should be able to tell from mail logs or Mailman's bounce
log. I.e., when an AOL user posts, does only the delivery to that AOL
user bounce or does delivery to all AOL users bounce.

The former was my case.


> Have you written, or is there a script to go
> through all lists and change attribute, and/or would it work to send
> them post acknowledgement? With 300 lists and over 12,000 users I can't
> really do it by hand.


Here's a withlist script. Save it in Mailman's bin/ directory as
aol_notmetoo.py

--- cut here ---
from Mailman import mm_cfg

def aol_notmetoo(mlist):
if not mlist.Locked():
mlist.Lock()
for member in mlist.getMembers():
if member.lower().endswith('@aol.com'):
mlist.setMemberOption(
member, mm_cfg.DontReceiveOwnPosts, 1)
# If you don't want to set 'ack' remove the next two lines
mlist.setMemberOption(
member, mm_cfg.AcknowledgePosts, 1)
mlist.Save()
mlist.Unlock()
--- cut here ---


Then you can run this via withlist

bin/withlist -a -r aol_notmetoo

That will set 'not metoo' and optionally 'ack' for every @aol.com member
on every list



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Re: [Mailman-Users] Problem with AOL

[Mark Sapiro]

On 02/13/2017 07:45 PM, David Andrews wrote:
> Does anyone know if AOL has changed its DMARC policies recently.  All of
> a sudden I am getting lots of AOL bounces, or maybe they have black
> listed us?  nfbnet.org


Back to the original question.

I don't think AOL has changed anything with respect to DMARC. If it is
not the case that these are bounces of users own posts, then there is
another issue. What do the bounces (or rejects in the mail log) say is
the reason?

You may find  helpful.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Problem with AOL

[Mark Sapiro]

On 02/14/2017 07:40 AM, David Andrews wrote:
> 
> Well I will have to investigate further and see if that is the problem.
> You said "some time ago," and it is recent with me, which means it could
> be something else, or not.


True, but you should be able to tell from mail logs or Mailman's bounce
log. I.e., when an AOL user posts, does only the delivery to that AOL
user bounce or does delivery to all AOL users bounce.

The former was my case.


> Have you written, or is there a script to go
> through all lists and change attribute, and/or would it work to send
> them post acknowledgement? With 300 lists and over 12,000 users I can't
> really do it by hand.


Here's a withlist script. Save it in Mailman's bin/ directory as
aol_notmetoo.py

--- cut here ---
from Mailman import mm_cfg

def aol_notmetoo(mlist):
if not mlist.Locked():
mlist.Lock()
for member in mlist.getMembers():
if member.lower().endswith('@aol.com'):
mlist.setMemberOption(
member, mm_cfg.DontReceiveOwnPosts, 1)
# If you don't want to set 'ack' remove the next two lines
mlist.setMemberOption(
member, mm_cfg.AcknowledgePosts, 1)
mlist.Save()
mlist.Unlock()
--- cut here ---


Then you can run this via withlist

bin/withlist -a -r aol_notmetoo

That will set 'not metoo' and optionally 'ack' for every @aol.com member
on every list



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Re: [Mailman-Users] Problem with AOL

[David Andrews]

At 08:57 AM 2/14/2017, Mark Sapiro wrote:

On 02/13/2017 09:33 PM, Jayson Smith wrote:
>
> One of my mailing lists has one AOL user who finally got tired of *his*
> messages to the list being rejected by AOL.


Some time ago, I noticed that when an AOL user posts to a list, the list
copy sent back to that user, but not other AOL users, was always
rejected with the "AOL will not accept delivery of this message."
reason. This is similar to Gmail (see )
except Gmail just drops the message rather than bouncing it.

Anyway, I just set all the AOL list members to not receive their own
posts (they weren't receiving them anyway), and that worked around the
problem.


Well I will have to investigate further and see if that is the 
problem. You said "some time ago," and it is recent with me, which 
means it could be something else, or not.  Have you written, or is 
there a script to go through all lists and change attribute, and/or 
would it work to send them post acknowledgement? With 300 lists and 
over 12,000 users I can't really do it by hand.


Dave


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Re: [Mailman-Users] Problem with AOL

[Mark Sapiro]

On 02/13/2017 09:33 PM, Jayson Smith wrote:
> 
> One of my mailing lists has one AOL user who finally got tired of *his*
> messages to the list being rejected by AOL.


Some time ago, I noticed that when an AOL user posts to a list, the list
copy sent back to that user, but not other AOL users, was always
rejected with the "AOL will not accept delivery of this message."
reason. This is similar to Gmail (see )
except Gmail just drops the message rather than bouncing it.

Anyway, I just set all the AOL list members to not receive their own
posts (they weren't receiving them anyway), and that worked around the
problem.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Problem with AOL

[Jayson Smith]

Hi,

A while back, I was getting irregular AOL bounces. By that, I mean some 
messages would go through just fine, and some would bounce with the 
error "AOL will not accept delivery of this message." Very unhelpful, as 
you can see. Furthermore, if a message bounced, it was probably always 
going to bounce no matter what you did E.G. send a copy to that 
particular user rather than a mailing list, etc.


One of my mailing lists has one AOL user who finally got tired of *his* 
messages to the list being rejected by AOL. We did some investigating, 
and it turns out they have a whitelist program. I don't know the exact 
URL but can probably find it if you're interested.


Hope this helps,

Jayson

On 2/13/2017 10:45 PM, David Andrews wrote:
Does anyone know if AOL has changed its DMARC policies recently.  All 
of a sudden I am getting lots of AOL bounces, or maybe they have black 
listed us?  nfbnet.org


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[Mailman-Users] Problem with AOL

[David Andrews]

Does anyone know if AOL has changed its DMARC policies recently.  All 
of a sudden I am getting lots of AOL bounces, or maybe they have 
black listed us?  nfbnet.org


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Re: [Mailman-Users] Problem pgp signed messages

[Stephen J. Turnbull]

Mark Sapiro writes:

 > Perhaps the sigs being stripped are another protocol, e.g.
 > application/pkcs7-signature or ??

That was the first thing that occurred to me, although I was thinking
S-MIME.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Problem with this list archive

[Mark Sapiro]

On 11/21/15 7:59 AM, Mark Sapiro wrote:
> On 11/21/15 3:22 AM, Alain Williams wrote:
>> It seems to have recently gone to HTTPS and is generating a 404 for HTTP 
>> URLs.
...
> There is a rewrite from http to https in the apache config for
> mail.python.org. It was working.
> 
> The server was rebooted at about 20/Nov/2015:09:50 (-0500) and since
> then the rewrite is apparently not working


Thanks to Ernest W. Durbin III, this is now fixed. At some point an
Apache update added a symlink

/etc/apache2/sites-enabled/000-default.conf ->
/etc/apache2/sites-available/000-default.conf

and when the server was rebooted, this overrode our config for the port
80 listener.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Problem pgp signed messages

[Mark Sapiro]

On 11/21/15 3:39 AM, Alain Williams wrote:
> I am trying to allow signed messages on a mail list.
> 
> I added multipart/signed & application/pgp-signature to pass_mime_types which
> stopped signed emails being rejected by mailman.
> 
> My problem is that the signature attachment is being stripped from the 
> message.
> What should I be doing ?


What you have done should be working.

This list for example has in pass_mime_types

multipart
text/plain
text/x-diff
application/pgp-signature

and I'm sure my sig will come through.

Perhaps the sigs being stripped are another protocol, e.g.
application/pkcs7-signature or ??

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Problem with this list archive

[Mark Sapiro]

On 11/21/15 3:22 AM, Alain Williams wrote:
> It seems to have recently gone to HTTPS and is generating a 404 for HTTP URLs.
> 
> This causes a problem with archives email that contains a link to old 
> messages. Eg:
> 
> https://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2005-January/042243.html
> 
> contains a link to:
> 
> http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2005-January/041697.html
> 
> which comes up 404. However, if you manually convert ''http:'' to ''https:'' 
> the
> URL then works. Could you persuade Apache to do that redirect ?



There is a rewrite from http to https in the apache config for
mail.python.org. It was working.

The server was rebooted at about 20/Nov/2015:09:50 (-0500) and since
then the rewrite is apparently not working. I can't see that anything in
the apache configs has changed, and I have tried both reloading and
restarting apache to no avail.

Apparently something changed when the server was rebooted yesterday, but
I don't know what.

Perhaps another postmaster or 'rooter' has an idea.

(I'm on vacation in Croatia at the moment and don't have a lot of time
to devote to this)

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[Mailman-Users] Problem with this list archive

[Alain Williams]

It seems to have recently gone to HTTPS and is generating a 404 for HTTP URLs.

This causes a problem with archives email that contains a link to old messages. 
Eg:

https://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2005-January/042243.html

contains a link to:

http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2005-January/041697.html

which comes up 404. However, if you manually convert ''http:'' to ''https:'' the
URL then works. Could you persuade Apache to do that redirect ?

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[Mailman-Users] Problem pgp signed messages

[Alain Williams]

I am trying to allow signed messages on a mail list.

I added multipart/signed & application/pgp-signature to pass_mime_types which
stopped signed emails being rejected by mailman.

My problem is that the signature attachment is being stripped from the message.
What should I be doing ?

Thanks in advance.

At the location: /mailman/admin/ListName/contentfilter

I have:
filter_content  yes

filter_mime_types   empty

pass_mime_types multipart/mixed
multipart/alternative
text/plain
multipart/signed
application/pgp-signature
message/rfc822

filter_filename_extensions  exe
bat
cmd
com
pif
scr
vbs
cpl

pass_filename_extensionsempty

collapse_alternatives   yes

convert_html_to_plaintext   yes

filter_action   reject

I am running mailman 2.1.18-1 on CentOS 6.7.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] problem with accented characters, converting HTML to plain text

[Mark Sapiro]

On 7/21/15 12:42 AM, Laura Creighton wrote:
 
 My new rule in my mailer for how to display html text is:
 
 w3m -dump -o display_link_number=1 -cols 78 -T text/html -I $(echo %a | sed 
 -r 's/.*charset=?([-a-zA-Z0-9_]*).*/\1/') -O utf-8 | less
 
 which is one heck of a mouthful, but hasn't caused me any problems since.
 
 Just in case somebody else wants to ditch lynx ...


While I'm sure Laura's command above works well as an HTML viewer for an
MUA such as might be specified in a mutt mailcap file, there are issues
with trying to use this as a Mailman HTML_TO_PLAIN_TEXT_COMMAND because
it gets the input charset from the message's Content-Type: header and
none of the message's headers are passed to HTML_TO_PLAIN_TEXT_COMMAND.
Also, it specifies the output charset as utf-8, but Mailman will not
change the charset parameter in the converted MIME part. It only changes
the MIME type from text/html to text/plain so if the original HTML
charset is not utf-8, creating utf-8 output would be wrong.

While one could use some w3m command in HTML_TO_PLAIN_TEXT_COMMAND, the
appropriate command might be something like

w3m -dump -o display_link_number=1 -cols 78 -T text/html %(filename)s

without the -I and -O options, and this could wind up with the same
charset issues as lynx.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] problem with accented characters, converting HTML to plain text

[Laura Creighton]

In a message of Mon, 20 Jul 2015 11:04:08 -0700, Mark Sapiro writes:
On 7/19/15 1:13 PM, Dominique Asselineau wrote:
 Hello,
 
 When a e-mail in text/html content-type is converted in to plain text,
 the accented characters are not treated correctly.


There are potential issues with this. Mailman gets the content of the
text/html part and calls HTML_TO_PLAINTEXT_COMMAND (lynx -dump in the
default case) to convert the HTML to a plain text rendering and replaces
the content of the part with that and changes the Content-Type: to
text/plain while maintaining any charset= parameter.

Lynx normally does not recode any characters, so the output of lynx
-dump should be in the same charset is the input and it should be OK.

Problems arise if the input has characters represented as HTML entities
such as aacute; or egrave;. In this case, lynx outputs the characters
encoded in a charset which may not match the messages encoding.

In order to say more, I would need to see a raw message as sent to the
list with all headers intact and the resultant raw message from the list
with all headers intact.

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I had enough trouble with lynx over this -- it used to be how I
converted all html mail my mail reader saw, but such characters
are not rare in the mail I receive -- that I gave up on lynx.

My new rule in my mailer for how to display html text is:

w3m -dump -o display_link_number=1 -cols 78 -T text/html -
I $(echo %a | sed -r 's/.*charset=?([-a-zA-Z0-9_]*).*/\1/') -O utf-8 | less

which is one heck of a mouthful, but hasn't caused me any problems since.

Just in case somebody else wants to ditch lynx ...

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[Mailman-Users] problem with accented characters, converting HTML to plain text

[Dominique Asselineau]

Hello,

When a e-mail in text/html content-type is converted in to plain text,
the accented characters are not treated correctly.

in configuration file 
/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Defaults.py 
the variable
HTML_TO_PLAIN_TEXT_COMMAND = '/usr/bin/lynx -dump %(filename)s'
and this variable is not overwritten in /usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/mm_cfg.py

/usr/bin/lynx -dump runs correctly.

Have you an idea why the accented characters cause problem?

Thanks

Dominique

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Re: [Mailman-Users] problem with accented characters, converting HTML to plain text

[Mark Sapiro]

On 7/19/15 1:13 PM, Dominique Asselineau wrote:
 Hello,
 
 When a e-mail in text/html content-type is converted in to plain text,
 the accented characters are not treated correctly.


There are potential issues with this. Mailman gets the content of the
text/html part and calls HTML_TO_PLAINTEXT_COMMAND (lynx -dump in the
default case) to convert the HTML to a plain text rendering and replaces
the content of the part with that and changes the Content-Type: to
text/plain while maintaining any charset= parameter.

Lynx normally does not recode any characters, so the output of lynx
-dump should be in the same charset is the input and it should be OK.

Problems arise if the input has characters represented as HTML entities
such as aacute; or egrave;. In this case, lynx outputs the characters
encoded in a charset which may not match the messages encoding.

In order to say more, I would need to see a raw message as sent to the
list with all headers intact and the resultant raw message from the list
with all headers intact.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Problem with Postfix

[Mark Sapiro]

On 05/11/2015 07:38 PM, Eric Lamer wrote:
 Hi,
 
When I am sending mail to my mailman server I get this error:
 
 
 Remote Server returned ' #5.3.0 x-unix; Group mismatch error. Mailman 
 expected the mail wrapper script to be executed as group mailman, but the 
 system's mail server executed the mail script as group nobody. Try tweaking 
 the mail server to run the script as group mailman, or re-run configure, 
 providing the command line option `--with-mail-gid=nobody'.'
 Any idea how to fix it?


See the FAQ at http://wiki.list.org/x/4030645.

Note that with Postfix, the pipe to the mail wrapper will be executed as
the user that owns the aliases.db file in which the alias is found.

If you have Mailman/Postfix integration configured this will be
/path/to/mailman/data/aliases.db which chould be owned by 'mailman'.

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[Mailman-Users] Problem with Postfix

[Eric Lamer]

Hi,

   When I am sending mail to my mailman server I get this error:


Remote Server returned ' #5.3.0 x-unix; Group mismatch error. Mailman expected 
the mail wrapper script to be executed as group mailman, but the system's 
mail server executed the mail script as group nobody. Try tweaking the mail 
server to run the script as group mailman, or re-run configure, providing the 
command line option `--with-mail-gid=nobody'.'
Any idea how to fix it?

Thanks.
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Problem after switching servers

[Mark Sapiro]

On 05/10/2015 10:45 AM, Eric Lamer wrote:
 
 When I access the web
 server and click on a list it try to go to
 http://list.aaa.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/g711.1ac  instead of
 http://list.aaa.com/mailman/listinfo/g711.1ac so my old server had
 cgi-bin in the url and my new server does not.  How can I fix this?


Put

DEFAULT_URL_PATTERN = 'http://%s/mailman/'

in mm_cfg.py and run Mailman's

bin/withlist -a -l -r fix_url

See the FAQ at http://wiki.list.org/x/4030616 for more info.

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[Mailman-Users] Problem with missing text

[sherwin]

Hello,


As administrator for the Midfex forum on Ibiblio, I am having a problem 
with a user
who posts messages that result in no text appearing on the final 
message.  I do see
the text in the moderated request sent to me.  Here is the message he is 
sending.
Note that this request for confirmation from Ibiblio contains the text, 
but after

approving the message, it is no longer present.

Sherwin Dubren
Midfex Forum Administrator

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Problem with missing text

[Mark Sapiro]

On 03/10/2014 12:27 PM, sherwin wrote:
 Hello,
 
 
 As administrator for the Midfex forum on Ibiblio, I am having a problem
 with a user
 who posts messages that result in no text appearing on the final
 message.  I do see
 the text in the moderated request sent to me.  Here is the message he is
 sending.
 Note that this request for confirmation from Ibiblio contains the text,
 but after
 approving the message, it is no longer present.


The message you included below is exactly what we would want to see,
i.e. the complete raw message of a held message notification to the list
admin.

Unfortunately, it appears to be the wrong held message notification. It
is a notification of your list post

...
 Subject: [Bulk] Status of Empty Messages
 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
 
 Hi All,
 
 You may have seen a few empty messages recently posted.  This
 happened before last January.  So far, only two users are having
 this problem.  I am investigating this issue and hopefully will find
 some resolution.  In the meantime, you may see a few test messages
 appearing that you can ignore.
 
  Sherwin Dubren
  Midfex Forum Administrator


I am guessing that this is not the message that resulted in an empty
message being delivered to the list.

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[Mailman-Users] Problem with messages held in Moderator Queue

[Andy Jeffries]

I run a mailman (2.1.14-3ubuntu0.1) mailing list for a client.  There are
currently 14 emails stuck in the moderator queue.  We've tried over and
over again to choose to Discard them and click on Submit.

Every time, the HTTP request POSTs to
/cgi-bin/mailman/admindb/mailing-list-name-here, which 301 redirects to the
same URL and the GET request loads exactly the same as before (i.e. it
didn't remove any of the stuck emails).

I've had a look at the filesystem and the
/var/lib/mailman/lists/mailing-list-name-here/request.pck file's timestamp
gets updated.

That file (and the ones named
/var/lib/mailman/data/heldmsg-mailing-list-name-here-10.pck) are owned by
the list group which has www-data as a member (Nginx operates as
www-data).

Can anyone suggest what I should try next to get the web interface working?

I know they can be deleted via a command line script, but I'm assuming if I
do that, I'm going to be always doing this and I want the client to be able
to do it themselves via the web interface.

Many thanks,


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Re: [Mailman-Users] Problem with messages held in Moderator Queue

[Mark Sapiro]

On 02/21/2014 08:07 AM, Andy Jeffries wrote:
 
 Every time, the HTTP request POSTs to
 /cgi-bin/mailman/admindb/mailing-list-name-here, which 301 redirects to the
 same URL and the GET request loads exactly the same as before (i.e. it
 didn't remove any of the stuck emails).


That's the issue. The redirect is losing the POST data. See the FAQ at
http://wiki.list.org/x/ioA9 (3rd paragraph).


 Can anyone suggest what I should try next to get the web interface working?


Fix your web server to not redirect. If this is a redirect from http to
https, see paragraph 2 of the above FAQ.

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[Mailman-Users] problem after changing the server name

[Dominique Asselineau]

Hello,

With mailman 2.1.13-5 on Debian/Squeeze, i encountered a problem after
changing the name of the server.

The administration web pages of the existing lists, continue to use
the old server name.

It seeems the server name is encoded in file
/var/lib/mailman/lists/list-name/config.pck updated by the command
config_list -i config-file-name, but i do not find manner to
modify the server name into those pages. host_name specifies only the
domain in the e-mail adresses.

Is there solution without recreating the lists?

Thank you for your help.

dom
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Re: [Mailman-Users] problem after changing the server name

[Mark Sapiro]

On 01/05/2014 08:00 AM, Dominique Asselineau wrote:
 
 It seeems the server name is encoded in file
 /var/lib/mailman/lists/list-name/config.pck updated by the command
 config_list -i config-file-name, but i do not find manner to
 modify the server name into those pages. host_name specifies only the
 domain in the e-mail adresses.


See the FAQs at http://wiki.list.org/x/gIA9 and
http://wiki.list.org/x/mIA9.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] problem after changing the server name

[Tanstaafl]

On 2014-01-05 12:05 PM, Mark Sapiro m...@msapiro.net wrote:

On 01/05/2014 08:00 AM, Dominique Asselineau wrote:


It seeems the server name is encoded in file
/var/lib/mailman/lists/list-name/config.pck updated by the command
config_list -i config-file-name, but i do not find manner to
modify the server name into those pages. host_name specifies only the
domain in the e-mail adresses.



See the FAQs at http://wiki.list.org/x/gIA9 and
http://wiki.list.org/x/mIA9.


Thanks Dominique and Mark - I had completely forgotten about this after 
migrating everything to my new server yesterday.


Mark - the only setting that changed on mine is the DEFAULT_URL_PATTERN, 
but I'm guessing I still need to do the full command.


So, before I do something dumb and blindly run the command and possibly 
mess up my lists (that seem to be working fine), I simply cd to the /bin 
directory, and run:


bin/withlist -l -a -r fix_url -- [fix_url options]

?

Or do I need to actually specify something for the word 'options'?

Thanks again!

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Re: [Mailman-Users] problem after changing the server name

[Mark Sapiro]

On 01/05/2014 09:24 AM, Tanstaafl wrote:
 
 Mark - the only setting that changed on mine is the DEFAULT_URL_PATTERN,
 but I'm guessing I still need to do the full command.
 
 So, before I do something dumb and blindly run the command and possibly
 mess up my lists (that seem to be working fine), I simply cd to the /bin
 directory, and run:
 
 bin/withlist -l -a -r fix_url -- [fix_url options]
 
 ?
 
 Or do I need to actually specify something for the word 'options'?


[fix_url options] in the above stands for those options (i.e., -u HOST
and/or -v) you might want to specify to fix_url.

Assuming you have only one URL domain and email domain and they are
properly set as DEFAULT_URL_HOST and DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST, what you need
to run after changing DEFAULT_URL_PATTERN is just

bin/withlist -l -a -r fix_url

or to see what it's doing

bin/withlist -l -a -r fix_url -- -v

(the -- separates the fix_url options from the withlist options).

If you have multiple virtual hosts, it's more complicated. You need to run

bin/withlist -l -r fix_url LISTNAME -u HOSTNAME

where LISTNAME is a list name and HOSTNAME is the URL host for that list
separately for each list.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] problem after changing the server name

[Tanstaafl]

On 2014-01-05 12:53 PM, Mark Sapiro m...@msapiro.net wrote:

Assuming you have only one URL domain and email domain and they are
properly set as DEFAULT_URL_HOST and DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST, what you need
to run after changing DEFAULT_URL_PATTERN is just

bin/withlist -l -a -r fix_url

or to see what it's doing

bin/withlist -l -a -r fix_url -- -v


Spot on as always, Mark, thx - and yeah, I just have the one domain, so 
it was easy peasy... took all of what, .5 seconds? :)

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[Mailman-Users] Problem with mailman web interface on Debian/Apache

[Sascha Rissel]

Hello,

I just setup mailman on Debian and created the first list mailman.
I receive a new mailing list email, with the link:

http://mysite/cgi-bin/mailman/admin/mailman

Unfortunately when opening this URL I get:
404: The requested URL /cgi-bin/mailman/admin/mailman was not found on
this server.

I used the following tutorial:
http://www.howtoforge.com/how-to-install-and-configure-mailman-with-postfix-on-debian-squeeze

/usr/lib/cgi-bin/mailman/ seems to contain the proper contents, whereas
/var/www/lists is empty.

Can anyone help me?

Kind regards,
Sascha.
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Problem with mailman web interface on Debian/Apache

[Mark Sapiro]

On 10/20/2013 06:26 AM, Sascha Rissel wrote:
 
 I just setup mailman on Debian and created the first list mailman.
...
 I used the following tutorial:
 http://www.howtoforge.com/how-to-install-and-configure-mailman-with-postfix-on-debian-squeeze


Please see the FAQ at http://wiki.list.org/x/OIDD.


 Can anyone help me?


See http://www.list.org/mailman-install/node10.html.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Problem with mailman and outlook.com

[Tim Sterk]

On 07-10-13 04:36, Mark Sapiro wrote:

On 10/04/2013 05:51 AM, Tim Sterk wrote:

Hi All,

I'm having a problem with outlook.com and mailman. When I'm trying to
send a message through Outlook.com marks it as spam, but when I'm
sending a message from the same domain (and IP address), it is accepted
without a hitch.

Underneath the headers of a message that is rejected at outlook.com:


Rejected or marked as spam? They are not the same. And if it was
rejected, where did you find the headers?


They are moved into the unwanted box, so I was able to view the message 
and headers from there.






*Is there anybody who can help me solving this problem?


Probably only Microsoft, but the FAQ at http://wiki.list.org/x/4oA9
may help.



The interesting part for me is that this problem only applies to mail 
sent through mailman, if I'm sending an email to the same address from 
the same domain name it is accepted without a problem, so I'm thinking 
that there is something in the headers that triggers this reaction at 
outlook.com.


p.s. the messages are accepted without a problem at gmail.com (I haven't 
tried any other major mail providers).


Greetings,
Tim Sterk

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Problem with mailman and outlook.com

[Mark Sapiro]

On 10/09/2013 12:45 AM, Tim Sterk wrote:
 
 They are moved into the unwanted box, so I was able to view the message
 and headers from there.


So they were not rejected but rather marked as spam and put in a spam
box rather than the inbox. Had they been rejected, you wouldn't have
seen them at all, and they would have been recorded as a bounce by Mailman.


 The interesting part for me is that this problem only applies to mail
 sent through mailman, if I'm sending an email to the same address from
 the same domain name it is accepted without a problem, so I'm thinking
 that there is something in the headers that triggers this reaction at
 outlook.com.


Exactly. It could be the 'Precedence: list' header or some other header
or combination of headers, but only Microsoft knows for sure, and they
won't tell you because they consider it proprietary information which
would be useful to spammers.

Since you apparently use Mutt and have your own server, you could
experiment by resending the message directly with all Mailman's added
headers and delete headers one by one to find the header(s) that trigger
it, but it is possible that this is a more complex situation than that
which depends on the presence of certain headers in combination together
with body contents.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Problem with mailman and outlook.com

[Mark Sapiro]

On 10/04/2013 05:51 AM, Tim Sterk wrote:
 Hi All,
 
 I'm having a problem with outlook.com and mailman. When I'm trying to
 send a message through Outlook.com marks it as spam, but when I'm
 sending a message from the same domain (and IP address), it is accepted
 without a hitch.
 
 Underneath the headers of a message that is rejected at outlook.com:


Rejected or marked as spam? They are not the same. And if it was
rejected, where did you find the headers?


 *Is there anybody who can help me solving this problem?


Probably only Microsoft, but the FAQ at http://wiki.list.org/x/4oA9
may help.

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[Mailman-Users] Problem with mailman and outlook.com

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Hi All,

I'm having a problem with outlook.com and mailman. When I'm trying to 
send a message through Outlook.com marks it as spam, but when I'm 
sending a message from the same domain (and IP address), it is accepted 
without a hitch.


Underneath the headers of a message that is rejected at outlook.com:
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domain and IP address, different mailbox):

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[Mailman-Users] Problem with duplicate emails

[Javad Hoseini-Nopendar]

Hello
I created two mailing lists on my website:
newslet...@iranravi.com
And:
iranr...@iranravi.com

Also, iranr...@iranravi.com is a member of newslet...@iranravi.com. That 
means, when I send an email to newslet...@iranravi.com, if someone is not 
the member of this group, but is the member of iranr...@iranravi.com, this 
person will also receive the email. In fact, one group is only for sending 
newsletters and the other group is for discussing about various matters. now 
I have a problem. When I send an email, if someone is the member of both 
groups, this person will receive two copies of the email. Is there any way I 
can prevent duplicate emails? I saw a choice in General options:
Prevent Duplicate Emails.

I thought mailman would delete the duplicates automatically, but it seems 
not to be the case. Please help.

Thank you





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Re: [Mailman-Users] Problem with duplicate emails

[Richard Damon]

On 7/7/13 7:11 PM, Javad Hoseini-Nopendar wrote:
 Hello
 I created two mailing lists on my website:
 newslet...@iranravi.com
 And:
 iranr...@iranravi.com

 Also, iranr...@iranravi.com is a member of newslet...@iranravi.com. That 
 means, when I send an email to newslet...@iranravi.com, if someone is not 
 the member of this group, but is the member of iranr...@iranravi.com, this 
 person will also receive the email. In fact, one group is only for sending 
 newsletters and the other group is for discussing about various matters. now 
 I have a problem. When I send an email, if someone is the member of both 
 groups, this person will receive two copies of the email. Is there any way I 
 can prevent duplicate emails? I saw a choice in General options:
 Prevent Duplicate Emails.

 I thought mailman would delete the duplicates automatically, but it seems 
 not to be the case. Please help.

 Thank you

Since IranRAVI is a member of newsletter, and newsletter is announce
only, there really is no big reason to subscribe to both, you just need
to subscribe to IranRAVI and you will get all the messages, and can
reply to the discussion list about them.

The problem is that each list processes its sending independently, and
don't know about the details of the interlocking subscriptions, so I
don;t think there is any way to stop the multiple emails in this case.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Problem with duplicate emails

[Mark Sapiro]

On 07/07/2013 04:11 PM, Javad Hoseini-Nopendar wrote:

 I have a problem. When I send an email, if someone is the member of both 
 groups, this person will receive two copies of the email. Is there any way I 
 can prevent duplicate emails? I saw a choice in General options:
 Prevent Duplicate Emails.


The choice in General Options Filter out duplicate messages to list
members (if possible) is a setting for new_member_options which
controls what usetr options are set by default for new subscribers to
the list. This affects the user option Avoid duplicate copies of
messages? which in turn only affects whether the user is sent a list
copy of the mail when the user is a direct To: or Cc: recipient of the post.


 I thought mailman would delete the duplicates automatically, but it seems 
 not to be the case. Please help.


You have two choices. Either tell members of the iranr...@iranravi.com
list not to subscribe to the newslet...@iranravi.com list as it will
only result in their receiving duplicates, or delete
iranr...@iranravi.com from the newslet...@iranravi.com list and instead
add iranr...@iranravi.com to the Non-digest options -
regular_include_lists setting of the newslet...@iranravi.com list.

To make the second option completely effective, also set the
iranr...@iranravi.com list's Digest options - digestable to No because
if there are any digest subscribers, they won't receive
newslet...@iranravi.com posts.

See the FAQ at http://wiki.list.org/x/TIA9.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Problem listing full member names with diacritics

[Brett Delmage]

On 06/12/2013 09:36 PM, Brett Delmage wrote:


Characters with diacritics in subscriber names are coming out as ?.


On Wed, 12 Jun 2013, Mark Sapiro wrote:



You have a couple of choices:

1) You can edit bin/list_members and replace

ENC = sys.getdefaultencoding()

by

ENC = 'utf-8'


Fantastic. Thanks Mark! What a clear and prompt reply.

Now I can export the list susbscribers. Yay! (no - not leaving MM yet)

Mark, Your reply shows up as the 10,499th list posting since the first one 
I have in my mail folder from you on 2004 June 13 - Hmm, isn't that a 
coincidence. (I've been on this list since 2001).


That's a truly remarkable level of service to the Mailman community. 
Thank you for everything you've done for all of us and list users 
everywhere.


Brett




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[Mailman-Users] Problem with plus-sign + in the list-name

[Gerhard Rappenecker]

Hi all,

since upgrading to mailman 2.1.15 the following problem occurs:

When lists admins want to change the list parameters or member-list by the 
webinterface they receive:
Error: The form lifetime has expired. (request forgery check) and no change 
is done.

IMPORTANT: This error only happens when the list-name contains a plus-sign +, 
like e+t...@lists.myorg.com.

The other list functions are working fine.

Unfortunately we have got a lot of such lists and ist nearly unpossible to 
change all the list-names.

Can anybody help me?

best regards
Gerhard Rappenecker

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Problem with plus-sign + in the list-name

[Mark Sapiro]

On 06/13/2013 03:51 AM, Gerhard Rappenecker wrote:
 Hi all,
 
 since upgrading to mailman 2.1.15 the following problem occurs:
 
 When lists admins want to change the list parameters or member-list by the 
 webinterface they receive:
 Error: The form lifetime has expired. (request forgery check) and no change 
 is done.
 
 IMPORTANT: This error only happens when the list-name contains a plus-sign 
 +, like e+t...@lists.myorg.com.


This is a bug in the new CSRF checking scheme introduced in 2.1.15. It
will take me a day or so to do a proper fix. In the mean time, you can
edit the Mailman/CSRFcheck.py module by adding immediately following the
lines

def csrf_check(mlist, token):
 check token by mailman cookie validation algorithm 

the line

return True

which will effectively disable the check and return pre-2.1.15 behavior.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Problem with plus-sign + in the list-name

[Mark Sapiro]

On 06/13/2013 07:56 AM, Gerhard Rappenecker wrote:
 
 the workaround works fine.


This is now reported at
https://bugs.launchpad.net/mailman/+bug/1190802 and properly fixed at
http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~mailman-coders/mailman/2.1/revision/1392.


 Thanks a lot for the great support.


We try. It's always good to hear our efforts are appreciated.

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[Mailman-Users] Problem listing full member names with diacritics

[Brett Delmage]

Hi.

checked through the 65,397 list messages in my mail archives first, but 
didn't see anything obvious for this.


on ubuntu MM 1:2.1.14-3 I'm trying to export subscribers at the command 
line with full names


list_members -f mylistname

Characters with diacritics in subscriber names are coming out as ?.
These same characters names look fine on the web Membership Management... 
Section,  which the HTML header reported as UTF-8.


My console is UTF-8: ( LANG=en_CA.UTF-8 )

I tried piping list_members through iconv for an 8859-1 conversion to 
UTF-8, in case that's how they were stored. Not sure if I used it right, 
but the characters were still messed up.


I tried the Jim Tittsler script to fetch names from web, but it crashes 
with an exception:

...
 File ./getnames, line 234, in handle_starttag
'iso-8859-1', 'replace')
UnicodeDecodeError: 'ascii' codec can't decode byte 0xc3 in position 4: 
ordinal not in range(128)



I don't know what to try next. Thanks.

Brett

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Problem listing full member names with diacritics

[Mark Sapiro]

On 06/12/2013 09:36 PM, Brett Delmage wrote:
 
 Characters with diacritics in subscriber names are coming out as ?.


bin/list_members uses the encoding returned by Python's
sys.getdefaultencoding() which is 'ascii' so all non-ascii characters
get converted to '?'

You have a couple of choices:

1) You can edit bin/list_members and replace

ENC = sys.getdefaultencoding()

by

ENC = 'utf-8'

2) Edit /usr/lib/pythonv.v/site.py where v.v is your Python version.
Find the definition of setencoding() and change the4th line from

encoding = ascii # Default value set by _PyUnicode_Init()

to
encoding = utf-8

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[Mailman-Users] Problem with Farsi characters

[Javad Hoseini]

Hi there everybody
In my mailman administration control panel, I tried to add some Farsi text to 
the welcome message, because mailman does not have any 
Farsi interface. I added something like this:
خوش آمدید.

But mailman sends only some peculiar numbers and letters instead of Farsi text. 
It writes something like this in the beginning of 
welcome email:
29@5926252wfo

Why is that? How can I solve this?

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Problem with Farsi characters

[Mark Sapiro]

On 3/25/2013 5:35 PM, Javad Hoseini wrote:
 
 But mailman sends only some peculiar numbers and letters instead of Farsi 
 text. It writes something like this in the beginning of 
 welcome email:
 29@5926252wfo


It's hard to see without seeing the actual welcome email message, but my
guess is that the welcome message specifies the character set of the
body as one which doesn't support the Farsi characters, e.g. an English
language list with character set us-ascii, but possibly some other
language with a non-utf-8 character set.

If it is English and us-ascii and you have sufficient access to the
Mailman installation, you can change the character set to utf-8 as
outlined in the post at
http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2011-March/071320.html.

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[Mailman-Users] Problem with remove-members -f filename list command not working

[Antonio Colin]

Hi guys, I am working with Mailman version 2.1.13-5 on Debian 6, kernel 
2.6.32-5.
I have some lists configured and when I try to delete a user from one of them 
doing some of these:

$ echo john.li...@aaamerica.comm.mx | /usr/lib/mailman/bin/remove_members -f 
- gerencia
$ /usr/lib/mailman/bin/remove_members -f archivo.txt Gerencia
$ /usr/lib/mailman/bin/remove_members gerencia john.li...@aaamerica.com.mx
$ remove_members -n gerencia john.li...@aaamerica.com.mx

They don't work at all giving a prompt waiting for input. And it ends only when 
I press ^C 
(throwing a traceback which I posted here: http://pastebin.com/jt8C3Qjq ) or 
^Z. 
^D does nothing. I got help from a mailman user on #mailman and he set up a 
fake user account 
and executed my command to deleted and he managed to delete it after pressing 
^D which won't 
work in my case. 

Mailman logs in /var/log got nothing, not even some text on them. I would 
definitely appreciate any help

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Problem with remove-members -f filename list command not working

[Mark Sapiro]

On 3/22/2013 1:23 PM, Antonio Colin wrote:
 
 They don't work at all giving a prompt waiting for input. And it ends only 
 when I press ^C 
 (throwing a traceback which I posted here: http://pastebin.com/jt8C3Qjq ) or 
 ^Z.


The traceback you posted shows the command is not waiting for input but
for some other processes list lock to be relinquished. See the FAQ at
http://wiki.list.org/x/noA9.

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[Mailman-Users] Problem with Administrative requests for Mailing List

[Tim Chesnutt]

I have enabled mailing lists under cPanel on my hosting package and am 
doing my own testing to ensure I understand how it works before inviting 
other users, and putting the system into service.


Everything was going great with all my tests, till I tried sending a few 
messages to the list from addresses not yet subscribed.


I (as List Administrator), received notice that there were posts that 
needed my authorization to post.


When I visited the Administrative requests for mailing list page I see 
all the options, but none of them have any functionality.  That is no 
matter what option or options I select, when I click Submit All Data 
the page cycles, and returns with no change in the message status - no 
messages get Accepted, no messages get Rejected, no messages get 
Discarded, and no message is sent back to the author of the post (I have 
tried all possible combinations to see if there were someway to trigger 
action from this page, but to no avail.


In addition to not being able to administer these posts while signed in 
as the List Administrator, I note that I also can not cancel these posts 
from the email address they were originally submitted: When I follow the 
link to  cancel the posting, I am asked for a confirmation string (i.e. 
/cookie/) that you received in your email message.  There is no 
confirmation string received in the email system message telling me that 
my post is awaiting moderation.


The Mailman version provided is 2.1.14-1, and the hosting company has 
been of no use to date in this question as they are unfamiliar with this 
functionality.


(there is another quirk that I mention here in case it is in some manner 
related, though I think not:  While in cPanel, looking under the heading 
Mailing Lists, the resulting page allows me to set up mailing lists, but 
for some reason the modify link with each mailing list does not take 
me to the Mailing List Administration page but to a broken link.  I had 
not worried about this lack of convenience as I can enter directly)


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Re: [Mailman-Users] Problem with Administrative requests for MailingList

[Mark Sapiro]

Tim Chesnutt wrote:

I have enabled mailing lists under cPanel on my hosting package and am 
doing my own testing to ensure I understand how it works before inviting 
other users, and putting the system into service.


See the FAQs at http://wiki.list.org/x/sYA9 and
http://wiki.list.org/x/OIDD.


When I visited the Administrative requests for mailing list page I see 
all the options, but none of them have any functionality.  That is no 
matter what option or options I select, when I click Submit All Data 
the page cycles, and returns with no change in the message status - no 
messages get Accepted, no messages get Rejected, no messages get 
Discarded, and no message is sent back to the author of the post (I have 
tried all possible combinations to see if there were someway to trigger 
action from this page, but to no avail.


See the FAQ at http://wiki.list.org/x/ioA9.

Also, examine the source of the web page and look at the action= URL in
the form tag. Is this URL identical to the URL of the page?

Also, is there any message at the top of the returned page?


In addition to not being able to administer these posts while signed in 
as the List Administrator, I note that I also can not cancel these posts 
from the email address they were originally submitted: When I follow the 
link to  cancel the posting, I am asked for a confirmation string (i.e. 
/cookie/) that you received in your email message.  There is no 
confirmation string received in the email system message telling me that 
my post is awaiting moderation.


The URL in the message you receive should be of the form

http://host/mailman/confirm/list_host/xx

where xx is a string of 40 hex digits. If you go to that URL, you
shouldn't need to provide a confirmation string, but if the URL is
split by your mail reader, you might just be going to

http://host/mailman/confirm/list_host/

or something with less than the full 40 hex digits. In any case, the 40
hex digits are the confirmation string.


The Mailman version provided is 2.1.14-1, and the hosting company has 
been of no use to date in this question as they are unfamiliar with this 
functionality.


You might consider trying to find a hosting service that is more
committed to serving its customers ;)


(there is another quirk that I mention here in case it is in some manner 
related, though I think not:  While in cPanel, looking under the heading 
Mailing Lists, the resulting page allows me to set up mailing lists, but 
for some reason the modify link with each mailing list does not take 
me to the Mailing List Administration page but to a broken link.  I had 
not worried about this lack of convenience as I can enter directly)


This is a cPanel feature which is not a part of GNU Mailman. I can't
help with cPanel's list maintenance features outside the standard GNU
Mailman web admin and admindb interfaces.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Problem when creating new lists

[Mark Sapiro]

David Renstrom wrote:

Everytime I create a new list using the Web interface in Mailman I get the
following error:

Bug in Mailman version 2.1.14
We're sorry, we hit a bug!
Please inform the webmaster for this site of this problem. Printing of
traceback and other system information has been explicitly inhibited, but
the webmaster can find this information in the Mailman error logs. 

The file /etc/mailman/Virtual-mailman has changed ownership from mailman to
apache. I have to change it manually and then run the genaliases and postmap
commands to make the system work correctly again.


The owner of virtual-mailman shouldn't matter. The fact that this file
is in /etc/mailman/ rather than Mailman's data/ directory tells me you
are running someone's package. Please see the FAQ at
http://wiki.list.org/x/OIDD.

This could be a permissions or a SELinux issue.

What gets updated when you run genaliases? It should run both the
postalias and postmap commands. Do these succeed when you run
genaliases. You seem to imply that postalias succeeds, but postmap
fails and you need to run it by hand.


Could someone please tell me what's wrong because I'm kinda lost? See below
for more info.

Content of /var/log/mailman/error:
Aug 20 23:54:13 2012 (29703) command failed: /usr/sbin/postalias
/etc/mailman/aliases (status: 1, Operation not permitted)


Here it is postalias that fails. This has nothing to do with
virtual-mailman. It is reading /etc/mailman/aliases and updating
/etc/mailman/aliases.db and apparently doesn't have permission to do
so. If things are as they should be, the create process should be
running as the apache user with effective group = mailman (because
Mailman's cgi-bin/create wrapper is group mailman and SETGID and the
mailman group should be able to read and write /etc/mailman/aliases,
/etc/mailman/aliases.db, /etc/mailman/virtual-mailman and
/etc/mailman/virtual-mailman.db. If the permissions are OK, it is
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[Mailman-Users] Problem when creating new lists

[David Renstrom]

Hi,

Everytime I create a new list using the Web interface in Mailman I get the
following error:

Bug in Mailman version 2.1.14
We're sorry, we hit a bug!
Please inform the webmaster for this site of this problem. Printing of
traceback and other system information has been explicitly inhibited, but
the webmaster can find this information in the Mailman error logs. 

The file /etc/mailman/Virtual-mailman has changed ownership from mailman to
apache. I have to change it manually and then run the genaliases and postmap
commands to make the system work correctly again.

Could someone please tell me what's wrong because I'm kinda lost? See below
for more info.

Content of /var/log/mailman/error:
Aug 20 23:54:13 2012 (29703) command failed: /usr/sbin/postalias
/etc/mailman/aliases (status: 1, Operation not permitted)
Aug 20 23:54:13 2012 admin(29703):

admin(29703): [- Mailman Version: 2.1.14 -]
admin(29703): [- Traceback --]
admin(29703): Traceback (most recent call last):
admin(29703):   File /usr/lib/mailman/scripts/driver, line 112, in
run_main
admin(29703): main()
admin(29703):   File /usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/create.py, line 56, in
main
admin(29703): process_request(doc, cgidata)
admin(29703):   File /usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/create.py, line 239, in
process_request
admin(29703): sys.modules[modname].create(mlist, cgi=1)
admin(29703):   File /usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/MTA/Postfix.py, line 238, in
create
admin(29703): _update_maps()
admin(29703):   File /usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/MTA/Postfix.py, line 53, in
_update_maps
admin(29703): raise RuntimeError, msg % (acmd, status, errstr)
admin(29703): RuntimeError: command failed: /usr/sbin/postalias
/etc/mailman/aliases (status: 1, Operation not permitted)
admin(29703): [- Python Information -] 
admin(29703): sys.version =   2.7.1 (r271:86832, Apr 12 2011, 16:15:16) 
[GCC 4.6.0 20110331 (Red Hat 4.6.0-2)] 
admin(29703): sys.executable  =   /usr/bin/python 
admin(29703): sys.prefix  =   /usr 
admin(29703): sys.exec_prefix =   /usr 
admin(29703): sys.path=   ['/usr/lib/mailman/pythonlib',
'/usr/lib/mailman', '/usr/lib/mailman/scripts', '/usr/lib/mailman',
'/usr/lib64/python27.zip', '/usr/lib64/python2.7/',
'/usr/lib64/python2.7/plat-linux2', '/usr/lib64/python2.7/lib-tk',
'/usr/lib64/python2.7/lib-old', '/usr/lib64/python2.7/lib-dynload',
'/usr/lib/python2.7/site-packages'] 
admin(29703): sys.platform=   linux2 
admin(29703): [- Environment Variables -] 
admin(29703):   HTTP_COOKIE:
SESSae9265d1ff1a26d16ed53a0ed247816c=i2mjdepcbf7rgac7kgreaeh2t3;
SESSd6dc799775a4e319c149c4959a84efa2=vah0edt1d26euphiurqulrncd1 
admin(29703):   SERVER_SOFTWARE: Apache/2.2.21 (Fedora) 
admin(29703):   SCRIPT_NAME: /mailman/create 
admin(29703):   SERVER_SIGNATURE: addressApache/2.2.21 (Fedora) Server at
www.ungasynskadade.se Port 80/address
admin(29703): 
admin(29703):   REQUEST_METHOD: POST 
admin(29703):   SERVER_PROTOCOL: HTTP/1.1 
admin(29703):   QUERY_STRING:  
admin(29703):   CONTENT_LENGTH: 151 
admin(29703):   HTTP_USER_AGENT: Mozilla/5.0 (compatible; MSIE 9.0; Windows
NT 6.0; Trident/5.0) 
admin(29703):   HTTP_CONNECTION: Keep-Alive 
admin(29703):   HTTP_REFERER: http://www.ungasynskadade.se/mailman/create 
admin(29703):   SERVER_NAME: www.ungasynskadade.se 
admin(29703):   REMOTE_ADDR: 94.254.99.6 
admin(29703):   SERVER_PORT: 80 
admin(29703):   SERVER_ADDR: 91.123.204.174 
admin(29703):   DOCUMENT_ROOT: /var/www/html 
admin(29703):   PYTHONPATH: /usr/lib/mailman 
admin(29703):   SCRIPT_FILENAME: /usr/lib/mailman/cgi-bin/create 
admin(29703):   SERVER_ADMIN: root@localhost 
admin(29703):   HTTP_HOST: www.ungasynskadade.se 
admin(29703):   HTTP_CACHE_CONTROL: no-cache 
admin(29703):   REQUEST_URI: /mailman/create 
admin(29703):   HTTP_ACCEPT: text/html, application/xhtml+xml, */* 
admin(29703):   GATEWAY_INTERFACE: CGI/1.1 
admin(29703):   REMOTE_PORT: 59287 
admin(29703):   HTTP_ACCEPT_LANGUAGE: sv 
admin(29703):   CONTENT_TYPE: application/x-www-form-urlencoded 
admin(29703):   HTTP_ACCEPT_ENCODING: gzip, deflate 

Cheers,
/David R.

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[Mailman-Users] problem with people subscribing

[mike]

hi,

I've ben admistering mailman for several years now. But ran into an odd
issue today. I had a customer come to me and they have a mailing list
b...@blah.com

when they have people use blah-subscr...@blah.com the people are getting
access denied errors i've checked all the settings am i over looking
something?

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Re: [Mailman-Users] problem with people subscribing

[Mark Sapiro]

mike wrote:

I've ben admistering mailman for several years now. But ran into an odd
issue today. I had a customer come to me and they have a mailing list
b...@blah.com

when they have people use blah-subscr...@blah.com the people are getting
access denied errors i've checked all the settings am i over looking
something?


What is your MTA? How does it deliver to Mailman? Does it use aliases
and if so, do you have all 9 of the blah-*@blah.com aliases as well as
the b...@blah.com one?

What exactly do you mean by an access denied error? Do you mean they
mail to blah-subscr...@blah.com, get a confirmation message and then
get an http 401 when attempting to visit the URL in the confirmation
message? If so, is this different than from a subscribe attempt from
the form on the listinfo page.

Does this work for other lists?

Can they visit other list web pages like the listinfo, admin and
admindb pages and if so, is the domain in the URLs they use for those
pages the same as in the confirmation URL?

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[Mailman-Users] Problem creating mailing lists via web interface in 2.1.11

[Steve Matzura]

It works just fine if I log in as root and use newlist, but if I try
to create a new list via the web admin interface, two things happen.
First, I get an error, whose text I do not have in front of me (I
know, I know, first rule of error reporting, report the exact error,
but you probably won't need it when I finish my explanation), and
second, the aliases file is not updated, so if a subscriber tries to
send a message to the list, they receive an auto-reply telling them
user unknown in virtual mailbox table. My question is, why doesn't
the web interface create new list feature update the aliases file? Is
this a bug or a feature, or is there something I should put into
mm_cfg.py to enable this, similar to
owners-may-delete-their-own-lists?

Thanks in advance.
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Problem creating mailing lists via web interface in 2.1.11

[Stephen J. Turnbull]

On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 9:34 PM, Steve Matzura sm...@noisynotes.com wrote:

 user unknown in virtual mailbox table. My question is, why doesn't
 the web interface create new list feature update the aliases file?

What aliases file?  Exim, for example, doesn't need one at all.  There
are many MTAs, there are many different ways to configure them to
deliver to lists.

 Is this a bug or a feature,

It's a missing feature in your MTA. :-)  As I wrote, there are MTAs
that can be configured to automatically deliver to mailing lists (eg,
Exim is told to look for a $LIST.cfg file, and if that is found, it
delivers to | mailman post $LIST or something like that).

 or is there something I should put into
 mm_cfg.py to enable this, similar to
 owners-may-delete-their-own-lists?

We likely can help you, but you'll need to tell us exactly what MTA
you use, and how it's currently configured.  If you are using a
OS-distro-provided Mailman, tell us what distro and the full version
number of the Mailman package.  If you built from source, tell us
that.
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Problem creating mailing lists via web interface in2.1.11

[Mark Sapiro]

Steve Matzura wrote:

It works just fine if I log in as root and use newlist, but if I try
to create a new list via the web admin interface, two things happen.
First, I get an error, whose text I do not have in front of me (I
know, I know, first rule of error reporting, report the exact error,
but you probably won't need it when I finish my explanation),


Wrong.


and
second, the aliases file is not updated, so if a subscriber tries to
send a message to the list, they receive an auto-reply telling them
user unknown in virtual mailbox table. My question is, why doesn't
the web interface create new list feature update the aliases file? Is
this a bug or a feature, or is there something I should put into
mm_cfg.py to enable this, similar to
owners-may-delete-their-own-lists?


If bin/newlist updates the aliases, web create should too, so clearly
this has something to do with the error.

If the list is created and the only problem is that aliases aren't
updated, it could be a permissions issue. Is Mailman's cgi-bin/create
wrapper group 'mailman' and SETGID and does group 'mailman' have write
permission on the aliases?

What is the error?

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Problem creating mailing lists via webinterface in2.1.11

[Mark Sapiro]

Mark Sapiro wrote:

Steve Matzura wrote:

and
second, the aliases file is not updated, so if a subscriber tries to
send a message to the list, they receive an auto-reply telling them
user unknown in virtual mailbox table. My question is, why doesn't
the web interface create new list feature update the aliases file? Is
this a bug or a feature, or is there something I should put into
mm_cfg.py to enable this, similar to
owners-may-delete-their-own-lists?


If bin/newlist updates the aliases, web create should too, so clearly
this has something to do with the error.

If the list is created and the only problem is that aliases aren't
updated, it could be a permissions issue. Is Mailman's cgi-bin/create
wrapper group 'mailman' and SETGID and does group 'mailman' have write
permission on the aliases?


Also, the user unknown in virtual mailbox table error indicates the
list domain is a virtual domain. If the issue is that Mailman's
data/aliases is updated, but data/virtual-mailman is not, the problem
is that the email host_name for the list is not in
POSTFIX_STYLE_VIRTUAL_DOMAINS. For a web create, the host_name is
determined by taking the web host from the URL used to go to the
create page and looking it up in the VIRTUAL_HOSTS dictionary
(basically your add_virtualhost entries) and getting the host name
from there.

But, as Stephen suggests, don't make us guess. Give us all the
information.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Problem creating mailing lists via web interface in 2.1.11

[Steve Matzura]

The MTA is postfix. The file in question is
/var/lib/mailman/data/aliases which, according to what I've read, is
created from aliases.db. The interesting thing is, virtual-mailman
*is* updated correctly from virtual-mailman.db while aliases is not.

Mailman was installed long before I got here, but I'm assuming it was
installed via the standard package installer when Ubuntu was
originally built a few years ago. I also recognize I'm not running the
latest Ubuntu or Mailman.

Here's the perms on those four files:

-rw-rw 1 root list  6725 2012-03-28 19:07 aliases
-rw-rw 1 list list 12288 2012-03-28 19:07 aliases.db
-rw-rw 1 root list  5830 2012-03-28 19:07 virtual-mailman
-rw-r- 1 root list 12288 2012-03-28 19:07 virtual-mailman.db

On Thu, 29 Mar 2012 01:52:45 +0900, you wrote:

On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 9:34 PM, Steve Matzura sm...@noisynotes.com wrote:

 user unknown in virtual mailbox table. My question is, why doesn't
 the web interface create new list feature update the aliases file?

What aliases file?  Exim, for example, doesn't need one at all.  There
are many MTAs, there are many different ways to configure them to
deliver to lists.

 Is this a bug or a feature,

It's a missing feature in your MTA. :-)  As I wrote, there are MTAs
that can be configured to automatically deliver to mailing lists (eg,
Exim is told to look for a $LIST.cfg file, and if that is found, it
delivers to | mailman post $LIST or something like that).

 or is there something I should put into
 mm_cfg.py to enable this, similar to
 owners-may-delete-their-own-lists?

We likely can help you, but you'll need to tell us exactly what MTA
you use, and how it's currently configured.  If you are using a
OS-distro-provided Mailman, tell us what distro and the full version
number of the Mailman package.  If you built from source, tell us
that.
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Problem creating mailing lists via webinterface in 2.1.11

[Mark Sapiro]

Steve Matzura wrote:

The MTA is postfix. The file in question is
/var/lib/mailman/data/aliases which, according to what I've read, is
created from aliases.db.


The other way around.


The interesting thing is, virtual-mailman
*is* updated correctly from virtual-mailman.db while aliases is not.


You have it backwards. Mailman writes aliases and virtual-mailman and
then calls postalias and postmap to update the .db files from the text
files. Postfix uses the .db files even though the extensions are not
mentioned in main.cf.

You need to 'chmod 660 /var/lib/mailman/data/virtual-mailman.db' It
must be writable by the 'list group or it can't be updated by the web
server running the create CGI.


Mailman was installed long before I got here, but I'm assuming it was
installed via the standard package installer when Ubuntu was
originally built a few years ago. I also recognize I'm not running the
latest Ubuntu or Mailman.


Also, see the FAQ at http://wiki.list.org/x/OIDD.


Here's the perms on those four files:

-rw-rw 1 root list  6725 2012-03-28 19:07 aliases
-rw-rw 1 list list 12288 2012-03-28 19:07 aliases.db
-rw-rw 1 root list  5830 2012-03-28 19:07 virtual-mailman
-rw-r- 1 root list 12288 2012-03-28 19:07 virtual-mailman.db

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Problem creating mailing lists via webinterface in2.1.11

[Steve Matzura]

It would *never* be in my best interest not to give you all the info.
The problem is, I don't know exactly what info you need or want, and
what would be superfluous. Let's see if I can provide more below.
Anything I've omitted, just ask and it shall be yours for the knowing.

On Wed, 28 Mar 2012 12:28:27 -0700, you wrote:

Mark Sapiro wrote:

Steve Matzura wrote:

and
second, the aliases file is not updated, so if a subscriber tries to
send a message to the list, they receive an auto-reply telling them
user unknown in virtual mailbox table. My question is, why doesn't
the web interface create new list feature update the aliases file? Is
this a bug or a feature, or is there something I should put into
mm_cfg.py to enable this, similar to
owners-may-delete-their-own-lists?


If bin/newlist updates the aliases, web create should too, so clearly
this has something to do with the error.

If the list is created and the only problem is that aliases aren't
updated, it could be a permissions issue. Is Mailman's cgi-bin/create
wrapper group 'mailman' and SETGID and does group 'mailman' have write
permission on the aliases?

In case it went by and you didn't see it, here are the perms on those
four files in /var/lib/mailman/data:

-rw-rw 1 root list  6725 2012-03-28 19:07 aliases
-rw-rw 1 list list 12288 2012-03-28 19:07 aliases.db
-rw-rw 1 root list  5830 2012-03-28 19:07 virtual-mailman
-rw-r- 1 root list 12288 2012-03-28 19:07 virtual-mailman.db


Also, the user unknown in virtual mailbox table error indicates the
list domain is a virtual domain. If the issue is that Mailman's
data/aliases is updated, but data/virtual-mailman is not, the problem
is that the email host_name for the list is not in
POSTFIX_STYLE_VIRTUAL_DOMAINS. For a web create, the host_name is
determined by taking the web host from the URL used to go to the
create page and looking it up in the VIRTUAL_HOSTS dictionary

That would be www.theglobalvoice.info with the additional mailman
suffix string, of course. I tried putting add_virtualhost in
mm_cfg.py, but all that did was generate an error saying I'd found a
bug! Obviously that was the wrong thing to do, so I removed it, and
now we're back to the unknown virtual host error on the web create
form.

(basically your add_virtualhost entries) and getting the host name
from there.

But, as Stephen suggests, don't make us guess. Give us all the
information.
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Problem creating mailing lists via webinterface in 2.1.11

[Steve Matzura]

On Wed, 28 Mar 2012 12:46:48 -0700, you wrote:

You need to 'chmod 660 /var/lib/mailman/data/virtual-mailman.db' It
must be writable by the 'list group or it can't be updated by the web
server running the create CGI.

I did that and am still receiving the unknown virtual host error when
creating the list from the Web interface.
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Problem creating mailing lists via webinterface in2.1.11

[Larry Stone]

On Wed, 28 Mar 2012, Steve Matzura wrote:


It would *never* be in my best interest not to give you all the info.
The problem is, I don't know exactly what info you need or want, and
what would be superfluous. Let's see if I can provide more below.
Anything I've omitted, just ask and it shall be yours for the knowing.


How about the error message you get when you try to create a list via the 
web interface. The one that you assumed we would somehow all know without 
you telling us (having never had an error when creating a list or if I 
did, not in recent years, I haven't the slightest clue what sort of error 
message you might have recieved). It seems rather likely that the error 
you received dealt with alias creation which you seem to want to think of 
as a second unrelated problem.


I'd strongly suggest you start over and provide all relevant information 
in one post so we don't have to go through several messages to find the 
information you've dribbled out to us in multiple messages.


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Re: [Mailman-Users] Problem creating mailing lists via webinterface in2.1.11

[Steve Matzura]

On Wed, 28 Mar 2012 16:24:07 -0500 (CDT), you wrote:

On Wed, 28 Mar 2012, Steve Matzura wrote:

 It would *never* be in my best interest not to give you all the info.
 The problem is, I don't know exactly what info you need or want, and
 what would be superfluous. Let's see if I can provide more below.
 Anything I've omitted, just ask and it shall be yours for the knowing.

How about the error message you get when you try to create a list via the 
web interface. The one that you assumed we would somehow all know without 
you telling us (having never had an error when creating a list or if I 
did, not in recent years, I haven't the slightest clue what sort of error 
message you might have recieved). It seems rather likely that the error 
you received dealt with alias creation which you seem to want to think of 
as a second unrelated problem.

Error already reported in a previous message, but here's the Reader's
Digest version. After going through the process of creating a new list
via the Web interface, the error message unknown virtual host is
given, and no mailing list is created.

I'd strongly suggest you start over and provide all relevant information 
in one post so we don't have to go through several messages to find the 
information you've dribbled out to us in multiple messages.

What's relevant? As previously stated, if I knew all the info to
provide, I would have done so in the first place. I've since provided
everything I know about what's going on when I try to create a list.
The real problem here is, I know just enough about Mailman to be
dangerous, so before I get dangerous and break something even further
than it's already broken, I ask questions. If I provide insufficient
information for you to help solve my problem, it's totally and
completely unintentional. The expression I don't know what I don't
know comes to mind.
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Problem creating mailing lists via webinterfacein2.1.11

[Mark Sapiro]

Steve Matzura wrote:

That would be www.theglobalvoice.info with the additional mailman
suffix string, of course. I tried putting add_virtualhost in
mm_cfg.py, but all that did was generate an error saying I'd found a
bug! Obviously that was the wrong thing to do, so I removed it, and
now we're back to the unknown virtual host error on the web create
form.


OK. If I understand, you attempt to create a list from the web UI and
you get an error Unknown virtual host: www.theglobalvoice.info.

This means two things: 1) the list was not created so, of course, no
aliases were created for it, and 2) the host www.theglobalvoice.info
is not a key in the VIRTUAL_HOSTS dictionary which means there is no
add_virtualhost('www.theglobalvoice.info',
'whatever.the.email.host.is') entry in mm_cfg.py.

So what add_virtualhost() did you put in mm_cfg.py?

What is in Mailman's error log corresponding to the we hit a bug?

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Problem creating mailing lists via webinterface in2.1.11

[Larry Stone]

On Mar 28, 2012, at 4:40 PM, Steve Matzura wrote:

 On Wed, 28 Mar 2012 16:24:07 -0500 (CDT), you wrote:
 
 
 
 
 How about the error message you get when you try to create a list via the 
 web interface. The one that you assumed we would somehow all know without 
 you telling us (having never had an error when creating a list or if I 
 did, not in recent years, I haven't the slightest clue what sort of error 
 message you might have recieved). It seems rather likely that the error 
 you received dealt with alias creation which you seem to want to think of 
 as a second unrelated problem.
 
 Error already reported in a previous message, but here's the Reader's
 Digest version. After going through the process of creating a new list
 via the Web interface, the error message unknown virtual host is
 given, and no mailing list is created.
 

Just to show you how confused this became, I thought unknown virtual host was 
the error being returned to someone trying to post. I do not recall you ever 
saying that was the error the web interface was returning.


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Re: [Mailman-Users] Problem creating mailing lists via webinterface in2.1.11

[Steve Matzura]

I've obviously bunged this up badly. Now here it is, all correct and
properly assigned to each half of the problem:

When creating the list ad...@theglobalvoice.info, unknown virtual
host is the error, but some way, somehow, the list gets partially
created.

If I send a message to that partially created list, Mailman sends back
a message of undeliverability with this error text:

Remote host said: 550 5.1.1 ad...@theglobalvoice.info: Recipient
address rejected: User unknown in virtual mailbox table

I looked in postfix.cf and discovered the virtual host name is really
patronus.theglobalvoice.info, which may have something to do with why
the Web create doesn't work, but 'newlist' does.

On Wed, 28 Mar 2012 18:19:29 -0500, you wrote:


On Mar 28, 2012, at 4:40 PM, Steve Matzura wrote:

 On Wed, 28 Mar 2012 16:24:07 -0500 (CDT), you wrote:
 
 
 
 
 How about the error message you get when you try to create a list via the 
 web interface. The one that you assumed we would somehow all know without 
 you telling us (having never had an error when creating a list or if I 
 did, not in recent years, I haven't the slightest clue what sort of error 
 message you might have recieved). It seems rather likely that the error 
 you received dealt with alias creation which you seem to want to think of 
 as a second unrelated problem.
 
 Error already reported in a previous message, but here's the Reader's
 Digest version. After going through the process of creating a new list
 via the Web interface, the error message unknown virtual host is
 given, and no mailing list is created.
 

Just to show you how confused this became, I thought unknown virtual host 
was the error being returned to someone trying to post. I do not recall you 
ever saying that was the error the web interface was returning.
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Problem creating mailing lists via webinterfacein2.1.11

[Mark Sapiro]

Steve Matzura wrote:

When creating the list ad...@theglobalvoice.info, unknown virtual
host is the error, but some way, somehow, the list gets partially
created.


How do you know this? Is the list visible in the web UI? In
bin/list_lists?


If I send a message to that partially created list, Mailman sends back
a message of undeliverability with this error text:

Remote host said: 550 5.1.1 ad...@theglobalvoice.info: Recipient
address rejected: User unknown in virtual mailbox table

I looked in postfix.cf and discovered the virtual host name is really
patronus.theglobalvoice.info, which may have something to do with why
the Web create doesn't work, but 'newlist' does.


It may, but I can't say with the information I have. I'd need to see
'postconf -n' but I don't think that's necessary. I think the issue is
the aliases were never created because of the error in the create CGI.

Do you have

add_virtualhost('www.theglobalvoice.info', 'theglobalvoice.info')

or perhaps the equivalent

DEFAULT_URL_HOST = 'www.theglobalvoice.info'
DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = 'theglobalvoice.info'

followed by
add_virtualhost(DEFAULT_URL_HOST, DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST)

in mm_cfg.py.

Please answer this specific question and also the other specific
questions I asked in my reply at
http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2012-March/073113.html.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Problem creating mailing lists via webinterface in2.1.11

[Mark Sapiro]

Steve Matzura wrote:

I wrote:

How do you know this? Is the list visible in the web UI? In
bin/list_lists?

Neither.


Then the list didn't exist. It was not created, partially or otherwise.


Do you have

add_virtualhost('www.theglobalvoice.info', 'theglobalvoice.info')

or perhaps the equivalent

DEFAULT_URL_HOST = 'www.theglobalvoice.info'
DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = 'theglobalvoice.info'

followed by
add_virtualhost(DEFAULT_URL_HOST, DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST)

in mm_cfg.py.

The line:

add_virtualhost('www.theglobalvoice.info', 'theglobalvoice.info')

did not exist in mm_cfg.py until now. I added it directly in front of:

add_virtualhost(DEFAULT_URL_HOST, DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST)


OK.


I then saved mm_cfg.py and restarted mailman with `mailmanctl restart'
and attempted to create the mailing list. IT WORKED! It showed up in
all four placess-output from list_lists, as the last stanza in
virtual-mailman, as the last stanza in aliases, and in the Web UI! I
thank you for bearing with me, I apologize for insufficient detailed
error reporting, but with your collective assistance, it's now running
correctly.

What is the purpose of the line I added? Does it point
www.theglobalvoice.info to the real domain of theglobalvoice.info
since that's where all the email list addresses go?


It maps the web host www.theglobalvoice.info to the email domain
theglobalvoice.info.


If that's the
case, why did the Web UI create not work? Does it carry the www
subdomain with it in the underlying commands that actually do the list
creation? If so, then that explains everything to me. If I'm totally
off the mark, then I need to go back to school!


In order to create a list, we must know two fully qualified domains.
The web domain which is the host name that will be used in URLs that
access the list and the email domain which is the domain that list
mail is sent to.

bin/newlist has command line options for specifying these and will fall
back to DEFAULT_*_HOST settings as necessary.

The web create CGI determines these domains by taking the host portion
of the URL that invoked it as the web domain and looking up the
corresponding email domain in the dictionary created by the
add_virtualhost() lines. If it can't find an entry for the web domain
in that dictionary, it can't determine the email domain for the list
so it tells you that the web domain is an unknown virtual host and
doesn't create the list.

It won't use DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST because that's the email host
associated with DEFAULT_URL_HOST, and you must not be DEFAULT_URL_HOST
because there is *always* a

add_virtualhost(DEFAULT_URL_HOST, DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST)

line. Thus, you are coming from some other (virtual) host which is
unknown because it doesn't have an add_virtualhost() line.


[...]
Everything checks out and the new mailing list is operating correctly.


Good.


Did I forget to check or report on anything?


Well, you never answered the questions I asked at
http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2012-March/073113.html
so we don't know what was wrong there, but presumably, you don't care
as you reversed whatever you did and it's working now.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Problem creating mailing lists via webinterface in2.1.11

[Steve Matzura]

On Wed, 28 Mar 2012 19:37:42 -0700, you wrote:

Did I forget to check or report on anything?


Well, you never answered the questions I asked at
http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2012-March/073113.html
so we don't know what was wrong there, but presumably, you don't care
as you reversed whatever you did and it's working now.

Actually, I didn't reverse anything. You asked:

So what add_virtualhost() did you put in mm_cfg.py?

I actually tried, and backed out, two things before coming for help to
this list, both of which made things worse! I tried
add_virtualhost('www.theglobalvoice.info', 'www.theglobalvoice.info'),
and the same line without the www.. Adding this line gave me the
You hit a bug message in the Web create UI, which is why I backed it
out and set things back the way they'd been.

Regarding:

What is in Mailman's error log corresponding to the we hit a bug?

I don't know because I don't know enough about Mailman to have even
had a chance to look. There's one thing about all of this you don't
know because I haven't mentioned it, and it goes back to when I said I
don't even know what I don't know. While I've been tasked to keeping
theglobalvoice.info running, my only credentials for doing so are that
I'm reasonably good at learning quickly--I am not a *ux system or site
administrator of any stripe. Ask me lots of questions about VAX/Alpha
VMS and I can talk your ear off, as that's what I've spent the last 30
years doing professionally. Show me a *ux system prompt and the first
thing I know to do is man {something}, and if that doesn't solve
whatever is wrong, I start Googling until I find something to at least
try. I'd gotten to that point and figured out it probably had
something to do with add_virtualhost, but not understanding (until
now) exactly what that directive does, I was floundering. Apparently
my predecessor, someone actually far more qualified to do this job
than I, either didn't know about the proper use of add_virtualhost, or
was happy enough with using the command-line `newlist' to create new
mailing lists, because there are eight of them already on the system
running successfully. The site owner told me that she always knew
there was a problem with the Web UI, but the previous techie guy had a
workaround for it--namely, using `newlist' as root. I, being the type
who doesn't like loose ends or unsolved mysteries, stuck my neck out
and said I'd fix it ... and you know the rest.
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[Mailman-Users] problem with non-member filter

[Max Spring]

Using Mailman version 2.1.14-1, I'm trying to get notifications from Youtube 
and Facebook automatically accepted.
In Privacy Options - Sender filters - accept_these_nonmembers, I configured

  nore...@youtube.com
  ^notification.*facebookmail\.com$
  ^update.*facebookmail\.com$

But I'm still getting authorization requests for emails from these sources.
(generic_nonmember_action is Hold, but it actually should not matter.)

I can't find any other configuration which would be relevant here.

What could be the reason?
I'm obviously missing something.

Thanks!
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Problem with password to unsubscribe user from list through mail command

[Mark Sapiro]

On 1/23/2012 9:46 PM, Степанов Роман Владимирович wrote:
 
 I have a problem when I send mail command to unsubscribe user from specified 
 mail list with mail command:
 
  unsubscribe somepass address=some email address
 
  
 
 I have got message from mailman that password was wrong. 
 
 At the same time I can use GUI with the same password. It is strange fail 
 because command works for some addresses works and for some will return an 
 error.


The password in the email unsubscribe command must be the password of
the user being unsubscribed. The list admin password is not acceptable
in this context.

I don't know why it would work for some addresses and not others unless
the password provided for the ones that worked was actually the user's
password or the ones that worked were for lists for which unsubscribe
requires admin approval in which case the password is ignored.

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[Mailman-Users] Problem with password to unsubscribe user from list through mail command

[Степанов Роман Владимирович]

 

Dear mailman,

 

I have a problem when I send mail command to unsubscribe user from specified 
mail list with mail command:

 unsubscribe somepass address=some email address 
mailto:address=m...@mail.mail  

 

I have got message from mailman that password was wrong. 

At the same time I can use GUI with the same password. It is strange fail 
because command works for some addresses works and for some will return an 
error.

 

Where to dig?

 

 Thank you in advance,

 

Roman Stepanov

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Re: [Mailman-Users] problem with mailman not working...

[Troy Campbell]

Thanks again.  Observations: Somehow the stale lock was stopping all 
emails from going out
and secondly, /var/lock/mailman is where the lock was.  I'm not sure how 
I happened to figure
that lock location out as it isn't ~mailman/locks.  Perhaps my config is 
non-standard.


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On 1/13/2012 4:11 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote:

Troy Campbell wrote:


It appears there was a list that created locks in /var/lock/mailman so I
deleted this list and recreated it
and life seems to be good again...thanks again man for the excellent
support!


I'm glad things are again working well for you, but deleting and
recreating the list was probably overkill. The FAQ at
http://wiki.list.org/x/noA9  gives information about clearing
stale/orphaned locks. I have now added a pointer to this FAQ from
section 7 of the FAQ athttp://wiki.list.org/x/A4E9.



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Re: [Mailman-Users] problem with mailman not working...

[Mark Sapiro]

Troy Campbell wrote:

Thanks again.  Observations: Somehow the stale lock was stopping all 
emails from going out
and secondly, /var/lock/mailman is where the lock was.  I'm not sure how 
I happened to figure
that lock location out as it isn't ~mailman/locks.  Perhaps my config is 
non-standard.


Is this a RedHat RPM installation? See http://wiki.list.org/x/KYCB.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] problem with mailman not working...

[Troy Campbell]

It appears there was a list that created locks in /var/lock/mailman so I 
deleted this list and recreated it
and life seems to be good again...thanks again man for the excellent 
support!


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On 1/12/2012 8:05 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote:

On 1/12/2012 6:09 PM, Troy Campbell wrote:


It seems to be recognizing the email as local now:

Jan 12 18:57:27 request1 sendmail[3015]: q0D1vRSU003015:
to=troyt...@mailman.rmtc.fedex.com, ctladdr=root (0/0), delay=00:00:00,
xdelay=00:00:00, mailer=relay, pri=30076, relay=[127.0.0.1] [127.0.0.1],
dsn=2.0.0, stat=Sent (Ok: queued as C7FE237878)
Jan 12 18:57:28 request1 postfix/local[1069]: C7FE237878:
to=troyt...@mailman2.rmtc.fedex.com, relay=local, delay=0.23,
delays=0.07/0/0/0.16, dsn=2.0.0, status=sent (delivered to command:
/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman post troytest)

No email is coming out though?  It should be expanding to my email
address?


OK. The mail was piped to the wrapper to be posted to the list, so now
it's getting to Mailman.

See the FAQ athttp://wiki.list.org/x/A4E9, particularly sections 2b,
6b, 7, 8, 9 and 13.


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Re: [Mailman-Users] problem with mailman not working...

[Mark Sapiro]

Troy Campbell wrote:

It appears there was a list that created locks in /var/lock/mailman so I 
deleted this list and recreated it
and life seems to be good again...thanks again man for the excellent 
support!


I'm glad things are again working well for you, but deleting and
recreating the list was probably overkill. The FAQ at
http://wiki.list.org/x/noA9 gives information about clearing
stale/orphaned locks. I have now added a pointer to this FAQ from
section 7 of the FAQ at http://wiki.list.org/x/A4E9.


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[Mailman-Users] problem with mailman not working...

[Troy Campbell]

For some reason Mailman just stopped working and I must confess that I 
have forgot how to debug since it

has run so well for the last couple of years...it appears
that when a Mailman email is sent to the Mailman server it that it 
doesn't recognize it as local but instead tries to
relay out and then the relay sends it back and this happens multilple 
times if I'm reading the logs right so I assume
that the aliases file for the Mailman lists isn't being recognized 
properly by Postfix?


Here is some info (yes, I know it's ancient):

rpm -qa | grep -i mailman
mailman-2.1.9-4.el5

/etc/postfix/main.cf:
alias_maps =hash:/etc/aliases
hash:/etc/mailman/aliases

and in /etc/mailman/aliases it has the list troytest with this:
# STANZA START: troytest
# CREATED: Sun Mar 14 19:20:17 2010
troytest: |/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman post troytest
troytest-admin:   |/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman admin troytest
troytest-bounces: |/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman bounces troytest
troytest-confirm: |/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman confirm troytest
troytest-join:|/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman join troytest
troytest-leave:   |/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman leave troytest
troytest-owner:   |/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman owner troytest
troytest-request: |/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman request troytest
troytest-subscribe:   |/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman subscribe troytest
troytest-unsubscribe: |/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman unsubscribe troytest
# STANZA END: troytest

There is also a python process owned by mailman that is varying between 
75-100% of the CPU.


I realize that Postfix per se is out of the scope of this list but any 
suggestions/tips are sincerely appreciated.
My current thinking is I need to run a postmap command to update the 
aliases config perhaps?


Regards,

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Re: [Mailman-Users] problem with mailman not working...

[Mark Sapiro]

Troy Campbell wrote:

For some reason Mailman just stopped working and I must confess that I 
have forgot how to debug since it
has run so well for the last couple of years...it appears
that when a Mailman email is sent to the Mailman server it that it 
doesn't recognize it as local but instead tries to
relay out and then the relay sends it back and this happens multilple 
times if I'm reading the logs right so I assume
that the aliases file for the Mailman lists isn't being recognized 
properly by Postfix?


Yes, it sounds like a Postfix issue, but in order to say anything, we'd
need to see postconf -n and some relevant Postfix log messages.


Here is some info (yes, I know it's ancient):

rpm -qa | grep -i mailman
mailman-2.1.9-4.el5

/etc/postfix/main.cf:
alias_maps =hash:/etc/aliases
 hash:/etc/mailman/aliases

and in /etc/mailman/aliases it has the list troytest with this:
# STANZA START: troytest
# CREATED: Sun Mar 14 19:20:17 2010
troytest: |/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman post troytest
troytest-admin:   |/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman admin troytest
troytest-bounces: |/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman bounces troytest
troytest-confirm: |/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman confirm troytest
troytest-join:|/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman join troytest
troytest-leave:   |/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman leave troytest
troytest-owner:   |/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman owner troytest
troytest-request: |/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman request troytest
troytest-subscribe:   |/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman subscribe troytest
troytest-unsubscribe: |/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman unsubscribe troytest
# STANZA END: troytest

There is also a python process owned by mailman that is varying between 
75-100% of the CPU.


Which one? (ps -fw)


I realize that Postfix per se is out of the scope of this list but any 
suggestions/tips are sincerely appreciated.
My current thinking is I need to run a postmap command to update the 
aliases config perhaps?


The command is postalias, not postmap, and it's unlikely to help unless
perhaps you previously ran 'postmap /etc/mailman/aliases', but it
couldn't hurt to run 'postalias /etc/mailman/aliases'.

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