Re: [Mailman-Users] Archiving problems
On 1/26/15 11:27 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote: On 01/26/2015 09:12 PM, Bill Christensen wrote: All the archives work when in private state. But I had to manually change the owner of all the publicly available list archives to _www in private in order for them to be readable. Otherwise they get a big Forbidden message. Should *all* the lists be _www? Everything in archives/private, or just the archive folders and not the mbox folders? The archives/private folder itself is already _www. Thanks for your continued tolerance and assistance. For public archives to work, the web server needs to be able to search the archives/private directory that the archives/public/ symlinks point into. Normally this only requires that the archives/private/ directory itself, not any subordinates, be either o+x or owned by the web server user. The subordinate LISTNAME and LISTNAME.mbox directories are normally rwxrwsr-x and Mailman's group so Mailman can read and write them and subordinates will be created in Mailman's group and the web server can read and search them. It's only archives/private itself which is in Mailman's group and either rwxrws--x or if rwxrws---, owned by the web server user. Otherwise, ownership doesn't matter. See http://www.list.org/mailman-install/node9.html. Well, I had it all working on Monday night. I got a report today that someone was getting Forbidden again. The owner of the list in question (and only that one list, not any of the other publicly archived lists - which have not seen any posts in the last two days) had changed back from _www to root. CHOWNing it back to _www again brings up the archive, but then it was only showing the last two days worth of archives (owner of those posts: _mailman, the rest were root). Rebuilding the archives with --wipe and running Check perms -f (which is already cron jobbed to run every night) made the rest of them visible again. What do i need to do so that I don't have to jump these hoops daily? Thanks yet again. -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Archiving problems
On 01/28/2015 07:15 PM, Bill Christensen wrote: Well, I had it all working on Monday night. I got a report today that someone was getting Forbidden again. The owner of the list in question (and only that one list, not any of the other publicly archived lists - which have not seen any posts in the last two days) had changed back from _www to root. CHOWNing it back to _www again brings up the archive, but then it was only showing the last two days worth of archives (owner of those posts: _mailman, the rest were root). Rebuilding the archives with --wipe and running Check perms -f (which is already cron jobbed to run every night) made the rest of them visible again. What do i need to do so that I don't have to jump these hoops daily? Have you tried running Mailman's bin/check_perms? Here's what you should have in the way of ownership and permissions. Group should be _mailman on everything. 'owner' doesn't matter except in the one case where I indicate _www. SETGID bits are important. drwxrwsr-x owner _mailman /path/to/mailman drwxrwsr-x owner _mailman /path/to/mailman/archives drwxrwsr-x owner _mailman /path/to/mailman/archives/ drwxrwsr-x owner _mailman /path/to/mailman/archives/public and only symlinks in this directory Either drwxrws--x owner _mailman /path/to/mailman/archives/private or drwxrws--- _www _mailman /path/to/mailman/archives/private If you want to protect against access to private archives by local users of the machine, you want the latter. Otherwise the former is fine. drwxrwsr-x owner _mailman /path/to/mailman/archives/private/* And similarly for subordinate /path/to/mailman/archives/private/*/* directories. -rw-rw-r-- owner _mailman for most files subordinate to /path/to/mailman/archives/private/*. Again, SETGID bits are important. -- Mark Sapiro m...@msapiro.netThe highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Archiving problems
On 01/26/2015 06:00 PM, Bill Christensen wrote: Ok, I removed the public archives. I didn't rm -r, just copied them elsewhere in case this didn't work. ... The public archive folder didn't rebuild. Tail on the error log says: mlist.Save() File /opt/local/share/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py, line 574, in Save self.CheckHTMLArchiveDir() File /opt/local/share/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/Archiver.py, line 241, in CheckHTMLArchiveDir makelink(privdir, pubdir) File /opt/local/share/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/Archiver.py, line 49, in makelink os.symlink(old, new) OSError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory Your thoughts? FYI, this is on Mac 10.9.5, non-server version, if that makes any difference. You weren't supposed to remove/move archives/private, just the subordinate listname directories. -- Mark Sapiro m...@msapiro.netThe highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Archiving problems
On 01/26/2015 09:12 PM, Bill Christensen wrote: All the archives work when in private state. But I had to manually change the owner of all the publicly available list archives to _www in private in order for them to be readable. Otherwise they get a big Forbidden message. Should *all* the lists be _www? Everything in archives/private, or just the archive folders and not the mbox folders? The archives/private folder itself is already _www. Thanks for your continued tolerance and assistance. For public archives to work, the web server needs to be able to search the archives/private directory that the archives/public/ symlinks point into. Normally this only requires that the archives/private/ directory itself, not any subordinates, be either o+x or owned by the web server user. The subordinate LISTNAME and LISTNAME.mbox directories are normally rwxrwsr-x and Mailman's group so Mailman can read and write them and subordinates will be created in Mailman's group and the web server can read and search them. It's only archives/private itself which is in Mailman's group and either rwxrws--x or if rwxrws---, owned by the web server user. Otherwise, ownership doesn't matter. See http://www.list.org/mailman-install/node9.html. -- Mark Sapiro m...@msapiro.netThe highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Archiving problems
On 01/26/2015 06:08 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote: You weren't supposed to remove/move archives/private, just the subordinate listname directories. And once again, I misspoke (mistyped). I again meant the subordinate listname directories under archives/public, not archives/private. Mailman expects archives/public to exist, but the subordinates which are supposed to be symlinks into archives/private are checked and added/removed if necessary each time the list object is saved because the list's archive_private setting might have changed necessitating the addition or removal of symlinks. -- Mark Sapiro m...@msapiro.netThe highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Archiving problems
On 1/25/15 7:27 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote: On 01/25/2015 05:21 PM, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: Mark Sapiro writes: The solution is simple: rm -r archives/private/* You mean rm -r archives/public/*, don't you? As given it erases all the data, no? Oh My yes! Absolutely! I hope nobody does the former. Thanks for catching this Steve. Ok, I removed the public archives. I didn't rm -r, just copied them elsewhere in case this didn't work. Our digest goes out at noon (and did). I assume that qualifies as the next time it does anything to the list. Four new messages went through the list since then as well. The public archive folder didn't rebuild. Tail on the error log says: mlist.Save() File /opt/local/share/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py, line 574, in Save self.CheckHTMLArchiveDir() File /opt/local/share/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/Archiver.py, line 241, in CheckHTMLArchiveDir makelink(privdir, pubdir) File /opt/local/share/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/Archiver.py, line 49, in makelink os.symlink(old, new) OSError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory Your thoughts? FYI, this is on Mac 10.9.5, non-server version, if that makes any difference. -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Archiving problems
On 1/26/15 9:32 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote: On 01/26/2015 06:08 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote: You weren't supposed to remove/move archives/private, just the subordinate listname directories. And once again, I misspoke (mistyped). I again meant the subordinate listname directories under archives/public, not archives/private. Mailman expects archives/public to exist, but the subordinates which are supposed to be symlinks into archives/private are checked and added/removed if necessary each time the list object is saved because the list's archive_private setting might have changed necessitating the addition or removal of symlinks. Ok. I put the archives/public folder back. Toggling the archives setting on the publicly archived lists from public to private and back again created the symlinks. So far so good. All the archives work when in private state. But I had to manually change the owner of all the publicly available list archives to _www in private in order for them to be readable. Otherwise they get a big Forbidden message. Should *all* the lists be _www? Everything in archives/private, or just the archive folders and not the mbox folders? The archives/private folder itself is already _www. Thanks for your continued tolerance and assistance. -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] archiving an other list
Le 21/11/2014 00:08, Mark Sapiro a écrit : Also, if the archive can be public, see http://www.mail-archive.com/. I know it, but it don't works (never receive the confirmation mail), I don't know why :-( is there anything I can do not to break anything :-) I think the above covers it. seen, thanks!! jdd -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] archiving an other list
On 11/21/2014 12:19 AM, jdd wrote: Le 21/11/2014 00:08, Mark Sapiro a écrit : is there anything I can do not to break anything :-) I think the above covers it. seen, thanks!! A couple more things. Be sure to turn off password reminders either for the list or for the other_list-bounces member, and you don't really need to subscribe yourself. A list can have no members and will still accept and archive posts. -- Mark Sapiro m...@msapiro.netThe highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] archiving an other list
Le 21/11/2014 16:59, Mark Sapiro a écrit : to subscribe yourself. A list can have no members and will still accept and archive posts. oh, yes, I wanted to subscribe to have posts accepted :-) jdd -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] archiving an other list
On 11/20/2014 08:21 AM, jdd wrote: so I wonder if I could use my mailman instance, for example creating a dummy mailing list with only me as subscriber to send it every mail from my group and have it archived (of course with the group owner consent). This will work, but you will also want to subscribe other_list-bounces@otherserver (or possibly other_list-bounces+yourlist=yourserver@otherserver if the other list is VERPing) to your list and set it to no mail to avoid have posts held for not being from a member and avoid accepting nonmember posts. Also, if the archive can be public, see http://www.mail-archive.com/. is there anything I can do not to break anything :-) I think the above covers it. -- Mark Sapiro m...@msapiro.netThe highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Archiving : 2 Questions
Sorry, I should have noted that the current archives are in month batches which is what we are after for all of our mail lists. - archiving - monthly - private (admins only) Thanks again John On 7/11/2014, at 7:17 am, John Young j...@wetafx.co.nz wrote: Hiya, I’m brand new to this list and was hoping for some direction. I’ve read through a heap of archives but can’t quite find the correct answers (or am searching for the wrong terms!) 1 - We want to enable private archiving on all of our mailman lists. Some already have archiving , most don’t. But we want this enabled on all so we have the ability to go through the postings. 2 - We want to purge all our existing archives older than a certain date. Kind regards John -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Archiving : 2 Questions
On 11/06/2014 10:20 AM, John Young wrote: Sorry, I should have noted that the current archives are in month batches which is what we are after for all of our mail lists. - archiving - monthly - private (admins only) Private archives are available to any list member who authenticates with her list password. There is no setting that makes an archive available to the list admin only. On 7/11/2014, at 7:17 am, John Young j...@wetafx.co.nz wrote: 1 - We want to enable private archiving on all of our mailman lists. Some already have archiving , most don’t. But we want this enabled on all so we have the ability to go through the postings. Put the following 3 lines in a file archive = 1 archive_private = 1 archive_volume_frequency = 1 Then run the following shell script #! /bin/sh for list in `/path/to/mailman/bin/list_lists --bare` ; do /path/to/mailman/bin/config_list -i /path/to/above/file $list done 2 - We want to purge all our existing archives older than a certain date. See the script at http://www.msapiro.net/scripts/prune_arch -- Mark Sapiro m...@msapiro.netThe highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] archiving gets shunted
Lucio Chiappetti wrote: The other question is that if I send a message to a list, the member receive it, but the message is NOT archived. I see that a file appears in qfiles/shunt/ Have you run Mailman's bin/check_perms? yes I did. As a result of the first run, as instructed in manual, I did cd /var/lib/mailman/archives/ chown wwwrun private chmod o-x private and re-run it again. (wwwrun is the suse user under which apache runs) While the above changes result in the most secure configuration, they are only necessary (as opposed to o+x) if you have a multi-user system and you are concerned about local users being able to access private archives. I see now that the default configuration of the list is archive=yes archive_private=public. I see there are directories archive/private/listname, archive/private/listname.mbox and public/listname. The latter is a softlink to private. Is this normal ? Yes, this is exactly as it should be. archives/private/listname.mbox contains a single file archives/private/listname.mbox/listname.mbox which is a unix mbox containing all archived posts to the list and which can be used as input to bin/arch to rebuild the pipermail archive which is in archives/private/listname/. The symlinks in archives/public/ exist only for lists with public archives and are used by the web server to serve public archive pages without authentication. These are maintained automatically by Mailman as the list archives are changed from public to private or vice versa. The actual archive is always in archives/private. All of them are setgid directories owned by wwwrun.mailman except for those of list mailman which are owned by root.mailman, but I guess such list is special, and will have no traffic to be archived. The owner doesn't matter. Only the group. The 'mailman' list is not special in this case and can have archives. The ownership difference is because the mailman list was created with bin/newlist (by root) whereas the others were created by the web CGI. As a result of posting the first message to the list, a file listname.mbox is created in archive/private/listname.mbox (why private ?) and it contain the messages. But the index.html is not updated. A message is shunted, and the attached errors are generated. The HTML is not updated because the exception occurs after the listname.mbox file is (created and) written, but before the HTML archive is updated. The underlying problem is the same Mailman 2.1.11/Python2.6.5 incompatibility I mentioned in the 'bug adding user, and archiving gets shunted' thread. -- Mark Sapiro m...@msapiro.netThe highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Archiving
Stephens, Clyde wrote: How do change the number of Archive files that are kept? Currently only the last 5 months are being kept on our system. Removal of older archives is not a Mailman feature. This is most likely being done by some shell script which runs periodically (via cron?) and removes the older files. -- Mark Sapiro m...@msapiro.netThe highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Re: [Mailman-Users] Archiving is broken
Mark Heer wrote: The bigger issue is the complete lack of archiving. even public lists which used to archive just fine are not doing anything. You may recall that you provided the syntax for the external prvate/public archive entry I placed in the mmcfg.py file. It worked perfeclty for over a month and simply stopped workin 8/12. Can you offer some debug advice or some way of unwedging the archive routine? I feel really stuck. I have been archiving to our old hypermail setup until I can unravel this problem. As I mentioned, the only change on 8/12 was to change 1 list to yearly vs monthly after which I recreated the archive from a flat file (mm mbos with hypermail flat file catted to the end). could this be a factor? And in another message Sorry, I should clarify our installation - we have 2 mail servers handling the mail exchanges and 1 server handling the admin functions all are running mailman. When the mail servers send to the external archive they send to our admin mailman server which accepts the piped mail and runs the /bin/arch script populating the pipermail archive. The key on the admin machine receives the piped mail and does the right thing - all until lat week. I ran the /bin/arch to re-create the archive as a yearly archive on the receiving side or - admin machine, not on the mail exchangers. It's possible that your rebuilding of the archive caused permissions issues if you didn't run bin/arch as the mailman user. Since this is all you did, it seems worth investigating. As far as debugging the 'external' archiving from the mail machines to the admin machine is concerned, did you try running the command manually as I suggested in a prior reply. If the external archiver fails, there should be a external archiver non-zero exit status: %d message in Mailman's error log on the mail machine, but more likely, the ssh command succeeds and the failure is in the script on the admin machine which at best you might see as output if you run the ssh by hand. If your script on the admin machine is like the one at http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2008-March/061018.html, you could try changing bin/arch $1 $f or whatever similar command you have to something like bin/arch $1 $f /path/to/log/file 2/path/to/log/error to see what the command is actually doing. -- Mark Sapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED]The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Re: [Mailman-Users] Archiving is broken
Mark Heer wrote: I only get the following error for a few lists but in each case the ownership is mailman:mailman I noted an error re: ownership problems - but mailman user and group do indeed own the dirs/files so that message is confusing : sr/local/mailman/archives/public/wan-data-transfers' Aug 20 09:31:06 2008 (27219) Traceback (most recent call last): File /usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py, line 114, in _oneloop self._onefile(msg, msgdata) File /usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py, line 185, in _onefile keepqueued = self._dispose(mlist, msg, msgdata) File /usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/IncomingRunner.py, line 133, in _dispose mlist.Save() File /usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py, line 568, in Save self.CheckHTMLArchiveDir() File /usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/Archiver.py, line 236, in CheckHTMLArchiveDir breaklink(pubdir) File /usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/Archiver.py, line 56, in breaklink os.unlink(link) OSError: [Errno 1] Not owner: '/usr/local/mailman/archives/public/wan-data-transfers' Aug 20 09:31:06 2008 (27219) SHUNTING: 1219249865.3392961+47525c120442e9f4bd836c09cd41c46b6feb351e It appears that at some point, the archive of this list (wan-data-transfers) was changed from public to private and now mailman is trying to remove the symlink from /usr/local/mailman/archives/public/wan-data-transfers to /usr/local/mailman/archives/prvate/wan-data-transfers. It is being denied by the OS when it tries to do this. This may be a permissions issue not checked by check_perms or it may be a SELinux or other security policy manager issue or it may be that IncomingRunner was not started properly (i.e. by 'mailmanctl start' run by root) and is not running as the correct user:group. -- Mark Sapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED]The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Re: [Mailman-Users] Archiving to 3rd machine
Mark Heer wrote: I'd like to have all archives sent to one system. Currently we use hypermail for this but as we move to mailman it will be necessary to retain this sort of architecture. Can mailman be configured to have mailserver1 and mailserver2 send archives to adminmachine3 ? (all 3 running mailman). One posssibility as noted in the faq is using MHonArc - but could I use similar PUBLIC_EXTERNAL_ARCHIVER configs to point to adminmachine3 using mailman's pipermail? Just off the top of my head, you could try something on machines 1 and 2 like PUBLIC_EXTERNAL_ARCHIVER = 'ssh -e none [EMAIL PROTECTED] script %(listname)s' (all on one line), and similarly for PRIVATE_EXTERNAL_ARCHIVER, where script would be on machine3 and would be something like #!/bin/sh f=`mktemp` cat $f bin/arch $1 $f rm $f Of course, it wouldn't have to be ssh and could be it's own script, but just something to push the message to a script on machine 3 which would copy the message to a file and feed it to bin/arch for the correct list. -- Mark Sapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED]The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Archiving only certain topics and/or the defaulttopic
Kelly Jones wrote: I admin a mailing list that receives two types of messages: 1. Important human-typed messages that should be archived 2. Transient machine-generated messages that people may want to read, but which lose value rapidly, and, therefore, shouldn't be archived. I've set up topics so that all the transient messages have their own topic (they're machine-generated so the subjects always match known regexps). Don't do this with topics. The topics may be OK for other reasons, but for archiving there is a better way (using topics to control archiving will require code modification or a custom handler). Have your machine generated messages include an X-No-Archive: header and they won't be archived. Headers that will work to not archive messages are X-No-Archive: Yes X-No-Archive: any value X-Archive: No They are not case sensitive. -- Mark Sapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] archiving turned off, attachments still saved
Richard Kirkcaldy wrote: Am I missing something here? I've got archiving set to private and turned off for one particular list, and it's quite rightly not archiving. However, it is saving attachments in the form private/listname/attachments/mmdd/hash. Is there a reason these attachments are being saved? And is there a way I can stop them being saved? And can I simply delete them, possibly with a cron job? Yes, there is a reason. Attachments are removed and stored in the archives/private/listname/attachments/ directory by 'Scrubber'. Scrubber is invoked in 3 ways to do this. 1) if Non-digest options-scrub_nondigest is Yes, all messages will be scrubbed in incoming message processing. 2) messages are scrubbed in digest processing for the 'plain' format digest. 3) messages are scrubbed for the pipermail archiving. If you don't want any attachments scrubbed and saved, you have to be sure scrub_nondigest is No, archiving is off, and the list is not digestable (digestable = No on Digest options). You can delete them, but then they won't be available to digest subscribers whose digests have links to them. -- Mark Sapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] archiving partial duplicates
Con Wieland wrote: When I checked the archives for the current month a number of partial messages showed up with no from line and no date. snip Any idea's on what to look for would be appreciated. Look for messages containing unescaped From lines in the body. The bin/cleanarch script can help with fixing a .mbox file that contains these. -- Mark Sapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] archiving partial duplicates
On 4/6/06, Dragon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So if you decided 500 was a good number to index, for the first chunk you would do: bin/arch --wipe --start=1 --end=500 listname For subsequent chunks you would do (adjusting the start and end indexes of course...): bin/arch --start=501 --end=1000 listname Bash can do this for you: #!/bin/bash bin/arch --wipe for i in `seq 0 10` do bin/arch --start=$(( 1+$i*500 )) --end=$(( 500+$i*500 )) listname done ...Assuming that bin/arch --wipe alone does what I think it does. Also, if you have more than 5500 messages in the mbox file, you'll need to adjust the second argument in the 'seq' upwards. And, of course, replace 'listname' with the list name. -- - Patrick Bogen -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] archiving partial duplicates
Patrick Bogen sent the message below at 08:18 4/7/2006: On 4/6/06, Dragon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So if you decided 500 was a good number to index, for the first chunk you would do: bin/arch --wipe --start=1 --end=500 listname For subsequent chunks you would do (adjusting the start and end indexes of course...): bin/arch --start=501 --end=1000 listname Bash can do this for you: #!/bin/bash bin/arch --wipe for i in `seq 0 10` do bin/arch --start=$(( 1+$i*500 )) --end=$(( 500+$i*500 )) listname done ...Assuming that bin/arch --wipe alone does what I think it does. Also, if you have more than 5500 messages in the mbox file, you'll need to adjust the second argument in the 'seq' upwards. And, of course, replace 'listname' with the list name. End original message. - Or Perl or Python or whatever your favorite scripting language might be... But that's just icing on the cake and not really a necessity. The --wipe argument deletes all the old files and builds new ones. Which is great but ii did have one unfortunate consequence for me. I am using htdig to allow search of my archives and when I rebuilt the archives after editing the templates and installing htdig, all of the file dates on the messages were set to the date I rebuilt the archive. This destroyed the date context for the archive and the file dates displayed by the htdig search were not reflecting when the message was originally posted. So, I wrote a small Perl script to fix the file dates to match the message date in each of the message files. If anyone is interested in that script, I would be happy to share it with you. Just e-mail me directly and I will send it to you. Dragon ~~~ Venimus, Saltavimus, Bibimus (et naribus canium capti sumus) ~~~ -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] archiving partial duplicates
Con Wieland sent the message below at 11:50 4/6/2006: Hello, I'm having trouble with one of my archives. This archive is about 5 years old and is fairly large. The problem is I recently had to remove a message and reindex. When I checked the archives for the current month a number of partial messages showed up with no from line and no date. These actually turned out to be chunks from some very old messages. I am confused though because the original message shows up fine and the current month's archive shows an incomplete portion of the old message. I'm assuming it's a corrupt message but I don't understand why it's showing up in both places. I have a couple dozen of these. I don't know if this existed before my last arch rebuild. I have gone through several of these and am not able to see anything unusual. I have also checked the messages preceding and after the messages in question to no avail. Any idea's on what to look for would be appreciated. End original message. - I am just kinda guessing here but there is a caveat somewhere in the documentation about pipermail or the arch script that it has trouble digesting large MBOX files at a single gulp. It may be that this is the cause of the problem, it may not. It is also stated somewhere in the documentation for either pipermail or the arch script that you can specify a start and end index for a chunk of messages in the MBOX file. What you could then do is rebuild the archive in chunks, say 500 posts at a time to see what happens. So if you decided 500 was a good number to index, for the first chunk you would do: bin/arch --wipe --start=1 --end=500 listname For subsequent chunks you would do (adjusting the start and end indexes of course...): bin/arch --start=501 --end=1000 listname Hope that helps. Dragon ~~~ Venimus, Saltavimus, Bibimus (et naribus canium capti sumus) ~~~ -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Archiving Question
Jeff Edwards wrote: I would like for the content of the HTML to appear on the HTML page for that message, rather than requiring an extra clickthrough to see half the message. Is it possible to make Mailman do this? You need to use an external archiver. See http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showfile=faq04.004.htp. The issue is that Pipermail does not handle multipart messages so they have to be scrubbed to a single text/plain part before being archived. Content filtering with HTML to plain text conversion can help, but often because of character set issues, the converted part is scrubbed anyway. -- Mark Sapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Archiving
David wrote: Im on a hosted server. I am trying to decide if I want to archive my lists or not. I don't seem to see any place that allows trimming the archives if they start taking up too much space or just get too many in general if I want to do it on weekly basis. Is that option available some place? There is no option within Mailman to prune old messages from the archives. -- Mark Sapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Archiving
On Fri, 21 Oct 2005, Mark Sapiro wrote: lists or not. I don't seem to see any place that allows trimming the archives if they start taking up too much space or just get too many in general if I want to do it on weekly basis. Is that option available some place? There is no option within Mailman to prune old messages from the archives. If the archive file is just an mbox file, you should be able to use any mail program that uses mbox format to remove messages -- mail, elm, pine, etc. Then regenerate the web archive. -Chris == Chris Candreva -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- (914) 967-7816 WestNet Internet Services of Westchester http://www.westnet.com/ -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Archiving
Ok Thanks I was just finding this out in the FAQ (Who ever checks these thingsSorry) and the List Home Page. How ever I see it is on the wish list for 2.2 or 3.0 or some future release so I think I am just gonna go ahead archive as the list is new on a new site and by the time the archives get unruly that option should be available and I should be fine. Thanks again!! Thanks David Mark Sapiro wrote: David wrote: Im on a hosted server. I am trying to decide if I want to archive my lists or not. I don't seem to see any place that allows trimming the archives if they start taking up too much space or just get too many in general if I want to do it on weekly basis. Is that option available some place? There is no option within Mailman to prune old messages from the archives. -- No Smoking Forum - Http://www.nicodemon.info/community Lansing Forum - Http://www.greater-lansing.com/community He's Not My President!!! Blue States Rock~ -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] archiving attachments via 3rd party software with no mailbox access
Unfortunately, all of the solutions in the FAQ (which I checked before posting) require either access to mailboxes or access to the Mailman internals, neither of which I have in my current setup. Mark Sapiro wrote: Robert Flach wrote: Need: I need to archive messages in a way that retains attachments (preferably as separate files with link inserted into message) Have you seen http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showfile=faq04.004.htp ? There might be something there you can use. snip -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] archiving attachments via 3rd party software with no mailbox access
check out MHonarc. (www.mhonarc.org). It should do what you want. On Feb 8, 2005, at 11:11 AM, Robert Flach wrote: Unfortunately, all of the solutions in the FAQ (which I checked before posting) require either access to mailboxes or access to the Mailman internals, neither of which I have in my current setup. -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] archiving attachments via 3rd party software with no mailbox access
At 11:11 AM -0800 2005-02-08, Robert Flach wrote: Unfortunately, all of the solutions in the FAQ (which I checked before posting) require either access to mailboxes or access to the Mailman internals, neither of which I have in my current setup. So far as I know, there are no other alternatives. You could ask your hosting provider to install something for you, or you could move to a different hosting provider. -- Brad Knowles, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety. -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 SAGE member since 1995. See http://www.sage.org/ for more info. -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] archiving attachments via 3rd party software with no mailbox access
At 1:44 PM -0800 2005-02-17, Chuq Von Rospach wrote: check out MHonarc. (www.mhonarc.org). It should do what you want. But doesn't that require administrative privileges to install? Doesn't that require shell access to the server? My understanding is that these are two things that the OP doesn't have, which means that I don't think there are any solutions that anyone can offer to him. -- Brad Knowles, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety. -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 SAGE member since 1995. See http://www.sage.org/ for more info. -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] archiving attachments via 3rd party software withno mailbox access
Robert Flach wrote: Need: I need to archive messages in a way that retains attachments (preferably as separate files with link inserted into message) Have you seen http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showfile=faq04.004.htp ? There might be something there you can use. -- Mark Sapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] archiving on mailman
Ako Ito wrote: hello gurus, is it possible on mailman 2.1.4 to not scrubbed the mailman attachments on the archives? just leave it as is? if not what other solutions do i need to undertake for me accomplish this? So, how do you retrieve the attachments from the archive ? Without scrubbing, you will get MIME Base64 strings on the archived message page. -- Tokio Kikuchi, tkikuchi@ is.kochi-u.ac.jp http://weather.is.kochi-u.ac.jp/ -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
Re: [Mailman-Users] archiving on mailman
Ako Ito wrote: hello sir, whenever I access it through the archives it gets relinked to certain location where the extension is either .obj or .bin ..problem is whenever a user is accessing it.. he is asked on what application to open it with.. can this prevented... that is still retains its attachments original extension files. ex. .xls .doc? thanks for the prompt response... Mailman archiver is designed to attain safety against malicious files like viruses. Typical virus mail has an attachment like this: --=_NextPart_000_001B_01C0CA80.6B015D10 Content-Type: audio/x-wav; name=message.scr Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TVqQAAME//8AALgAQAAA Windows will execute this code if the extension is kept as .scr which is not an audio/x-wav file extension. Some mailers are not compliant with the IANA registered mime extension and put application/octet-stream content-type for excel or msword. In this case, mailman is very cautious not to trust the original extention and change it to .bin. If these files are sent by a compliant mailer like netscape, the content-type will be application/msword or application/vnd.ms-excel and the extension will become .doc or .xls. So, if you really don't care the safety, you must hack the code at your own risk. Oh, there is an option to use an external archiver... http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showfile=faq04.003.htp -- Tokio Kikuchi, tkikuchi@ is.kochi-u.ac.jp http://weather.is.kochi-u.ac.jp/ -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
Re: [Mailman-Users] Archiving
On Fri, 2003-10-17 at 05:36, Geert De Pecker wrote: Hi, I'm new to this list (and mailman). Just installed the mailman 2.1.3 with the htdig extensions. Seems to work ok, but I can't find how I can set the archiving frequency. Should I put bin/arch in the crontab, or is there a setting somewhere that I forgot? I had the impression that with the former version I had on the machine, messages showed up in the archive immediately. Any hints? Thanks, Geert In this version of Mailman, Archiving is a function of one of the qrunner's controlled by Mailmanctl. It will move the messages into the archives for you (assuming you have Archiving turned on for the list). Arch should only be used if you want to manually re-archive a list. I use it mainly after hand editing the Archive Mbox file for a list. You'll find a lot of discussion about archiving in the list Archives as well as in the FAQ. Good Luck. I'm sure patience will bring all things to light. Jon Carnes -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] archiving
Check your cron to make sure it is still running. Other than that, you will need to include more information: Version of Mailman that you are running, How it was installed (via rpm, apt-get, source, provided by host), the MTA that you are using, and the Operating System that your host is running. Good luck - Jon Carnes On Thu, 2003-08-07 at 06:06, webulous wrote: I had an archive up and running and doing fine. I did not change anything to the setting but messages are being send but not archived. Anyone have a hint as to what the problem might be? Also does anyone know if it possible to have the number of messages in a thread mentioned in the archive. thanks, Jeroen -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jonc%40nc.rr.com -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Mailman-Users] archiving
I had an archive up and running and doing fine. I did not change anything to the setting but messages are being send but not archived. Anyone have a hint as to what the problem might be? IIRC, I once got this problem with HTML messages produced with standard email client. If your list is configured to accept such messages without stripping the HTML part, the message is not archived (you have to do it manually with $prefix/bin/arch). I had to configure all lists to strip out the HTML part of all incoming message. Which leads to a problem for HTML-only messages produced by web client like Hotmail... So try to send a raw text message to your list and see if it appears in the archives. HTH -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Archiving doesn't work under Mac OS X 10.1
Editing the sources in the indicated manner (plus adjusting the level
of indentation of the remaining part of the function) indeed works.
Editing i18n.py in the install directory doesn't suffice, however - it
is necessary to edit the file in the distribution directory and then do
a 'make install'. Anyway, thanks for the pointer!
However, should Mailman really require that strptime is defined? As it
is now, archiving doesn't work _at_all_ in Mailman 2.x under Mac OS X
10.1.
/ Peter
On lördag, feb 22, 2003, at 22:36 Europe/Stockholm, Jon Carnes wrote:
The function is used only once in Mailman, inside i18n.py
year, mon, day, hh, mm, ss, wday, ydat, dst = time.strptime(date)
You could easily replace this line of code with a small block that does
the same thing but without referencing the strptime function.
In fact, looking at the code, it looks like there is already an
existing
block that would do this for you... Try deleting the 4 lines of code
that I marked with an *
if isinstance(date, StringType):
try:
*year, mon, day, hh, mm, ss, wday, ydat, dst =
time.strptime(date)
*tzname = time.tzname[dst and 1 or 0]
*except ValueError:
*try:
wday, mon, day, hms, year = date.split()
hh, mm, ss = hms.split(':')
year = int(year)
day = int(day)
hh = int(hh)
mm = int(mm)
ss = int(ss)
except ValueError:
return date
===
If that works then you won't need the time.strptime function at all.
Good Luck - Jon
BTW: good detective work tracing down the lack of strptime function in
Max OSX v10.1!
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Archiving doesn't work under Mac OS X 10.1
The function is used only once in Mailman, inside i18n.py
year, mon, day, hh, mm, ss, wday, ydat, dst = time.strptime(date)
You could easily replace this line of code with a small block that does
the same thing but without referencing the strptime function.
In fact, looking at the code, it looks like there is already an existing
block that would do this for you... Try deleting the 4 lines of code
that I marked with an *
if isinstance(date, StringType):
try:
*year, mon, day, hh, mm, ss, wday, ydat, dst =
time.strptime(date)
*tzname = time.tzname[dst and 1 or 0]
*except ValueError:
*try:
wday, mon, day, hms, year = date.split()
hh, mm, ss = hms.split(':')
year = int(year)
day = int(day)
hh = int(hh)
mm = int(mm)
ss = int(ss)
except ValueError:
return date
===
If that works then you won't need the time.strptime function at all.
Good Luck - Jon
BTW: good detective work tracing down the lack of strptime function in
Max OSX v10.1!
On Sat, 2003-02-22 at 09:40, Peter Bengtson wrote:
Some time ago, I reported that archiving doesn't work in Mailman 2.1.1
under Mac OS X 10.1. Every attempt to archive a message would result in
the following entry in 'logs/error':
Feb 22 00:15:42 2003 (1950) SHUNTING:
1045869340.680055+e0e16d1c92bfc3454ac70ca2586b40b6f9ba5a4e
Feb 22 15:20:28 2003 (1950) Uncaught runner exception: 'module' object
has no attribute 'strptime'
Feb 22 15:20:28 2003 (1950) Traceback (most recent call last):
File /Users/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py, line 105, in _oneloop
self._onefile(msg, msgdata)
File /Users/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py, line 155, in _onefile
keepqueued = self._dispose(mlist, msg, msgdata)
File /Users/mailman/Mailman/Queue/ArchRunner.py, line 73, in
_dispose
mlist.ArchiveMail(msg)
File /Users/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/Archiver.py, line 207, in
ArchiveMail
h.close()
File /Users/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/pipermail.py, line 304, in
close
self.update_dirty_archives()
File /Users/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/pipermail.py, line 518, in
update_dirty_archives
self.update_archive(i)
File /Users/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/HyperArch.py, line 1038, in
update_archive
self.__super_update_archive(archive)
File /Users/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/pipermail.py, line 424, in
update_archive
self._update_simple_index(hdr, archive, arcdir)
File /Users/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/pipermail.py, line 434, in
_update_simple_index
self.write_index_header()
File /Users/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/HyperArch.py, line 955, in
write_index_header
print self.html_head()
File /Users/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/HyperArch.py, line 640, in
html_head
d = {listname: html_quote(mlist.real_name, self.lang),
File /Users/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/HyperArch.py, line 638, in
quotetime
return html_quote(i18n.ctime(s), self.lang)
File /Users/mailman/Mailman/i18n.py, line 98, in ctime
year, mon, day, hh, mm, ss, wday, ydat, dst = time.strptime(date)
AttributeError: 'module' object has no attribute 'strptime'
Further research shows that the offending function, strptime, doesn't
exist in Mac OS X 10.1 - the function isn't defined, which causes
HAVE_STRPTIME to become undefined by ./configure. (I don't know the
situation under 10.2.). Doing a
python
import time
time.strptime
results in an error message, saying that strptime is an unknown entity.
At first I thought this might be a bug which only showed up when
archiving was set to something else than the distribution defaults, but
changing or removing the date clobbering settings in mm_cfg.py didn't
improve the situation. All archiving still seems to break.
A clean install of Python (2.2.2) doesn't improve the situation, either.
If 'strptime' is unavailable in 10.1, then all Mailman users under Mac
OS X 10.1 wouldn't be able to archive any messages at all. Are there
very few users on Mac OS X, or don't people generally use automatic
archiving? I would be interested to hear from anybody who has got it to
work under Mailman 2.x and Mac OS X 10.1.
Archiving used to work flawlessly - I have quite extensive archives
produced by a now defunct mailing list - but in one of the later
versions, presumable where the archiving routines were rewritten or
updated, it stopped working.
Should Mailman assume that 'strptime' is available? Is there a
workaround?
Any ideas or pointers most welcome.
/ Peter Bengtson
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Archiving doesn't work + National chars inpasswords
Python 2.2 is indeed installed, so that can't be the issue. bin/check_perms reveals no problems either. I've used the 2.1 alphas and betas for a long time without any problems. The archives stopped working fairly lately, but I'm not sure it happened when installing 2.1. It might have been a little earlier. Any ideas? I need those archives. / Peter Bengtson Jon Carnes wrote: What version of Python do you have installed? Mailman v2.1.x needs Python 2.2.x It looks like you have a Python module that is incompatible with Mailman v2.1: year, mon, day, hh, mm, ss, wday, ydat, dst = time.strptime(date) AttributeError: 'module' object has no attribute 'strptime' -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: archive@jab.org Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Archiving doesn't work + National charsinpasswords
Jon Carnes wrote: What version of Python do you have installed? Mailman v2.1.x needs Python 2.2.x It looks like you have a Python module that is incompatible with Mailman v2.1: year, mon, day, hh, mm, ss, wday, ydat, dst = time.strptime(date) AttributeError: 'module' object has no attribute 'strptime' Can a python version check be buildin when you do a ./configure or make ? So it does not install if no good python is on the system? Danny. -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: archive@jab.org Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Archiving doesn't work + National chars inpasswords
That being the case (it was working then it simply stopped) the problem must be one of the emails in the queue. On Sat, 2003-02-08 at 06:42, Peter Bengtson wrote: Python 2.2 is indeed installed, so that can't be the issue. bin/check_perms reveals no problems either. I've used the 2.1 alphas and betas for a long time without any problems. The archives stopped working fairly lately, but I'm not sure it happened when installing 2.1. It might have been a little earlier. Any ideas? I need those archives. / Peter Bengtson Jon Carnes wrote: What version of Python do you have installed? Mailman v2.1.x needs Python 2.2.x It looks like you have a Python module that is incompatible with Mailman v2.1: year, mon, day, hh, mm, ss, wday, ydat, dst = time.strptime(date) AttributeError: 'module' object has no attribute 'strptime' -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jonc%40nc.rr.com -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: archive@jab.org Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Archiving doesn't work + National chars inpasswords
There are no mails in the queue, so that's not the answer either (I wouldn't report this as a bug or configuration issue if I hadn't checked the most obvious things first). My guess, as a programmer, is that something was changed in one of the late betas. The error message AttributeError: 'module' object has no attribute 'strptime' certainly indicates the issue is related to module handling. / Peter Jon Carnes wrote: That being the case (it was working then it simply stopped) the problem must be one of the emails in the queue. On Sat, 2003-02-08 at 06:42, Peter Bengtson wrote: Python 2.2 is indeed installed, so that can't be the issue. bin/check_perms reveals no problems either. I've used the 2.1 alphas and betas for a long time without any problems. The archives stopped working fairly lately, but I'm not sure it happened when installing 2.1. It might have been a little earlier. Any ideas? I need those archives. / Peter Bengtson Jon Carnes wrote: What version of Python do you have installed? Mailman v2.1.x needs Python 2.2.x It looks like you have a Python module that is incompatible with Mailman v2.1: year, mon, day, hh, mm, ss, wday, ydat, dst = time.strptime(date) AttributeError: 'module' object has no attribute 'strptime' -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jonc%40nc.rr.com -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: archive@jab.org Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Archiving doesn't work + National chars inpasswords
What version of Python do you have installed? Mailman v2.1.x needs
Python 2.2.x
It looks like you have a Python module that is incompatible with Mailman
v2.1:
year, mon, day, hh, mm, ss, wday, ydat, dst = time.strptime(date)
AttributeError: 'module' object has no attribute 'strptime'
===
$ python
Python 2.2 (#1, Nov 5 2002, 15:43:24)
[GCC 2.96 2731 (Mandrake Linux 8.2 2.96-0.76mdk)] on linux-i386
Type help, copyright, credits or license for more information.
import time
time.strptime
built-in function strptime
'Use Ctrl-D (i.e. EOF) to exit.'
===
On Fri, 2003-02-07 at 10:26, Peter Bengtson wrote:
Messages do not get archived properly. Mac OS 10.1.x, Mailman 2.1. The
logs reveal the following:
Feb 07 12:51:16 2003 (389) SHUNTING:
1044618675.177514+be324eff2aafe6a8b13f0aa43b6580cf9d345fc4
Feb 07 13:27:59 2003 (389) Uncaught runner exception: 'module' object has no
attribute 'strptime'
Feb 07 13:27:59 2003 (389) Traceback (most recent call last):
File /Users/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py, line 105, in _oneloop
self._onefile(msg, msgdata)
File /Users/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py, line 155, in _onefile
keepqueued = self._dispose(mlist, msg, msgdata)
File /Users/mailman/Mailman/Queue/ArchRunner.py, line 73, in _dispose
mlist.ArchiveMail(msg)
File /Users/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/Archiver.py, line 207, in ArchiveMail
h.close()
File /Users/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/pipermail.py, line 304, in close
self.update_dirty_archives()
File /Users/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/pipermail.py, line 518, in
update_dirty_archives
self.update_archive(i)
File /Users/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/HyperArch.py, line 1032, in update_archive
self.__super_update_archive(archive)
File /Users/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/pipermail.py, line 424, in update_archive
self._update_simple_index(hdr, archive, arcdir)
File /Users/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/pipermail.py, line 434, in
_update_simple_index
self.write_index_header()
File /Users/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/HyperArch.py, line 949, in
write_index_header
print self.html_head()
File /Users/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/HyperArch.py, line 637, in html_head
d = {listname: html_quote(mlist.real_name, self.lang),
File /Users/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/HyperArch.py, line 635, in quotetime
return html_quote(i18n.ctime(s), self.lang)
File /Users/mailman/Mailman/i18n.py, line 98, in ctime
year, mon, day, hh, mm, ss, wday, ydat, dst = time.strptime(date)
AttributeError: 'module' object has no attribute 'strptime'
Any ideas?
Also, using national characters such as åäöüéèô and so forth in a
user-supplied personal password causes Mailman to crash miserably:
Bug in Mailman version 2.1
We're sorry, we hit a bug!
If you would like to help us identify the problem, please email a copy of this
page to the webmaster for this site with a description of what happened. Thanks!
Traceback:
Traceback (most recent call last):
File /Users/mailman/scripts/driver, line 87, in run_main
main()
File /Users/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/subscribe.py, line 94, in main
process_form(mlist, doc, cgidata, language)
File /Users/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/subscribe.py, line 176, in process_form
mlist.AddMember(userdesc, remote)
File /Users/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py, line 795, in AddMember
cookie = Pending.new(Pending.SUBSCRIPTION, userdesc)
File /Users/mailman/Mailman/Pending.py, line 69, in new
hashfood = str(now) + str(n) + str(content)
File /Users/mailman/Mailman/UserDesc.py, line 56, in __repr__
return '' % (
UnicodeError: ASCII decoding error: ordinal not in range(128)
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RE: [Mailman-Users] Archiving stops
Anyway, my latest issue is that Mailman stopped archiving messages last night around 9:30 p.m., for no apparent reason. There's nothing in the logs to indicate why archiving stopped. Has anyone ever seen this before? I've since restarted Mailman, and archiving is still hosed. If anyone could suggest a possible cause or solution, I'd be very grateful. -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: archive@jab.org Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Mailman-Users] Archiving stops
I've had this happen under version 2.0.8 before. Once because the existing archive had gotten hosed. I simply deleted the html files and regenerated the archives using arch. That worked fine. Another time, I did the same thing and arch continuously stopped at one point. I went into the Mbox file and looked at the next message and sure enough it was malformed - not enough to kill delivery, but enough to hose the Pipermail archiver. Once I deleted the malformed email, arch ran fine and everything worked again. I suggest you look at your current Archives then go to your Mbox file for that list and look at the next message. The html archive files for lists are stored in: ~mailman/archives/private/listname/.. The mbox file for the archives are stored in: ~mailman/archives/private/listname.mbox/listname.mbox Good Luck - Jon Carnes On Fri, 2003-01-24 at 15:53, Tom Maddox wrote: Anyway, my latest issue is that Mailman stopped archiving messages last night around 9:30 p.m., for no apparent reason. There's nothing in the logs to indicate why archiving stopped. Has anyone ever seen this before? I've since restarted Mailman, and archiving is still hosed. If anyone could suggest a possible cause or solution, I'd be very grateful. -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jonc%40nc.rr.com -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: archive@jab.org Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] archiving
On Wed, 21 Aug 2002 11:23:35 -0400 (EDT) Greg Westin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: With all this discussion of archiving, I have to ask: What does it say about the developers' confidence in Mailman that this list isn't archived by Mailman, but by an external service? The Mailman lists are archived at python.org using Pipermail, Mailman's internal archiver. They are also archived at various other external sites which use various other tools. Don't confuse the two. This is like when I was having trouble setting up Mailman on Mac OS X, and then discovered that Apple doesn't use Macs for its mail servers, it uses Sun computers. As does Microsoft FWIW -- they just hide it better. Also note that in Apple's case the Sun box in question is bigger than any of the boxes that Apple currently makes and sells. It seems to me that if this list is archived externally, maybe I, too, should look into that as an option. The internal archiver in mailman 2.1 is considerably more capable than the archiver in Mailman 2.0. It does not and likely never will match the capability of external tools like MHonArc. If there's something you want from your archiver that Pipermail can't offer, then investigate using an external archiver. Otherwise look at the archiver in v2.1. I use an external archiver for my lists (see the FAQ for details) as I want a variety of extra feature supports that Pipermail cannot offer (eg replies from the web). Other's find Pipermail's feature set quite acceptable, especially in v2.1. -- J C Lawrence -(*)Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. [EMAIL PROTECTED] He lived as a devil, eh? http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/ Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live. -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
Re: [Mailman-Users] Archiving problem
On 25 October 2001, leanne lai said: Seems like the Mailman archiving function does not work properly with mailx. When I use netscape mail or pipe or elm to reply to a mail list, the archiving function seems to work fine ie it is indented. But when I try to use mailx to reply, Mailman archival function seems to treat it as a new thread (no indentation) instead of a reply to an existing thread. Perhaps mailx doesn't set the In-reply-to header. Take a look in the archive mbox file to see for sure. Does anyone else have this problem or know ways to get around this? Umm, don't use mailx? Greg -- Greg Ward - software developer[EMAIL PROTECTED] MEMS Exchangehttp://www.mems-exchange.org -- Mailman-Users maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
