Re: [MlMt] More questions

[Charlie Garrison]

On 20 Dec 2016, at 2:11, Robert M. Münch wrote:

  1. Is there a way to apply smart inbox rules in real-time. So, when 
marking a message as read that it won't show up any longer in my 
"unread" smartbox?


I’m not sure real-time updating of lists is a good idea. Personally, I 
prefer the message to remain in the list until I say “Refresh”, at 
which point the unread messages are removed from that smart mailbox. I 
have attached ‘refresh’ to a key shortcut “R”. So once I’m 
done, a quick tap on R key and message list is, well, refreshed.


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Re: [MlMt] Triggering markdown with 'complimentary close' above signature

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On 20 Dec 2016, at 7:51, Verdon Vaillancourt wrote:

I found that  worked for me… I 
think ;-)


Unless given good reason otherwise, I’ll stay with the spec (RFC) for 
now.


- https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc3676#section-4.3

Or for unofficial but easier to read:

- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Signature_block (“Signatures in Usenet 
postings” section)


Yes, the references were originally for Usenet before being adopted by 
email.


I’ve been using dash,dash,space for 20 years; I’ll need a compelling 
reason before I switch. ;-)


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Re: [MlMt] Triggering markdown with 'complimentary close' above signature

[Verdon Vaillancourt]

I found that  worked for me… I think ;-)


On 19 Dec 2016, at 15:49, Charlie Garrison wrote:


On 19 Dec 2016, at 23:42, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote:


On 14 Dec 2016, at 21:39, Charlie Garrison wrote:

Feature request: Give special treatment to the signature marker so 
it’s not interpreted as Markdown formatting.


I do give it special treatment, but only to `--` and not `--`. 
Note the added space.


I can’t tell which variant has the extra space in your example. 
According to specs, the signature marker should be  
which is what I use for my sigs.


If you’re saying that dash,dash,space gets special treatment 
already, then maybe there is a bug. Compare the two sigs below, both 
with dash,dash,space sig marker, and are identical except for blank 
line after sig marker (I removed blank line from first one).


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Re: [MlMt] Triggering markdown with 'complimentary close' above signature

[Charlie Garrison]

On 19 Dec 2016, at 23:42, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote:


On 14 Dec 2016, at 21:39, Charlie Garrison wrote:

Feature request: Give special treatment to the signature marker so 
it’s not interpreted as Markdown formatting.


I do give it special treatment, but only to `--` and not `--`. Note 
the added space.


I can’t tell which variant has the extra space in your example. 
According to specs, the signature marker should be  
which is what I use for my sigs.


If you’re saying that dash,dash,space gets special treatment already, 
then maybe there is a bug. Compare the two sigs below, both with 
dash,dash,space sig marker, and are identical except for blank line 
after sig marker (I removed blank line from first one).


--
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Garrison Computer Services  
PO Box 380
Tumbarumba NSW 2653  Australia

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Re: [MlMt] Couple of Questions

[Charlie Garrison]

On 19 Dec 2016, at 22:25, Robert M. Münch wrote:

  1. In the mail list I'm missing some times in the received columns 
when the date is shown as "yesterday"


Is the column wide enough to show times as well? (I’ve not seen that 
problem so just taking wild guess.)


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Re: [MlMt] # messages in a thread

[Charlie Garrison]

On 19 Dec 2016, at 23:00, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote:

While I remember, the latest test release includes an optional 
“Thread Size” column.


Very nice; thanks for that feature (that I didn’t even know I wanted). 
 ;-)


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Re: [MlMt] Triggering markdown with 'complimentary close' above signature

[Verdon Vaillancourt]

Good to know! :-)

On 19 Dec 2016, at 7:42, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote:


On 14 Dec 2016, at 21:39, Charlie Garrison wrote:

Feature request: Give special treatment to the signature marker so 
it’s not interpreted as Markdown formatting.


I do give it special treatment, but only to `-- ` and not `--`. Note 
the added space.


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Re: [MlMt] Couple of Questions

[Robert M. Münch]

On 19 Dec 2016, at 16:18, John Cooper wrote:

>> The time. For today it states "Today 14:02" and for yesterday only 
>> "Yesterday" and sometimes "Yesterday 17:00".
>
> Try adjusting the width of the column.

Gotcha, a "..." would help as an indicator. Thanks. Robert

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Re: [MlMt] Couple of Questions

[John Cooper]

Robert M. Münch wrote (at 7:00 on 19 Dec 2016):

2. In the mail list I'm missing some times in the received columns 
when the date is shown as "yesterday"


Missing what?


The time. For today it states "Today 14:02" and for yesterday only 
"Yesterday" and sometimes "Yesterday 17:00".


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[MlMt] More questions

[Robert M. Münch]

Hi, some more questions:

1. It looks like the sorting order is not retained. I use "newest on top" but 
MM switches back to "newest at bottom" if I open a different smartbox. I think 
I have changed the sorting order there too. Is there a way to change the 
default sorting order?


2. The selected columns to show are not retained as well. I selected the ones I 
want to show, defined these as standard and applied it to some smartboxes. But 
after returning only the "older" default ones are shown. In the right click 
menu for columns, the "revert to default" is disabled.


3. Is there a way to apply smart inbox rules in real-time. So, when marking a 
message as read that it won't show up any longer in my "unread" smartbox?


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Re: [MlMt] Couple of Questions

[Robert M. Münch]

On 19 Dec 2016, at 14:46, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote:

> If you have sent anything to the same recipient then MailMate reuses the 
> settings. I just took a look at the code and it appears that in all other 
> cases MailMate is not particularly smart about it.

;-), ok.

> You can override the default choice though (which is S/MIME) using this 
> hidden preference:
>
>   defaults write com.freron.MailMate MmPreferredSecurityProtocol -string 
> "OpenPGP"

Ok, perfect.


>> 2. In the mail list I'm missing some times in the received columns when the 
>> date is shown as "yesterday"
>
> Missing what?

The time. For today it states "Today 14:02" and for yesterday only "Yesterday" 
and sometimes "Yesterday 17:00".


>> 3. I created a smart inbox that should show all message from today. Using 
>> date and 1 day seems to display messages from the last 24 hours and not only 
>> messages from today. Any idea how I can show only messages with the current 
>> date?
>
> I'm afraid that's still not implemented, but it's a frequent request 
> (starting the day at 00:00 instead of using 24 hours).

Got it. So make it +1 :-)


>> These are the most actual ones. I'm sure more some more to come.
>
> I'll do my best to reply.

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Re: [MlMt] Couple of Questions

[Benny Kjær Nielsen]

On 19 Dec 2016, at 12:25, Robert M. Münch wrote:

Hi all, I have couple of usage questions, wehre I'm not sure if there 
is a way to solve it:


1. If I enable both S/MIME and PGP, the default method for signing for 
example is always set to S/MIME. How can I change this? Or even 
better, MM should remember my last choice.


If you have sent anything to the same recipient then MailMate reuses the 
settings. I just took a look at the code and it appears that in all 
other cases MailMate is not particularly smart about it. You can 
override the default choice though (which is S/MIME) using this hidden 
preference:


	defaults write com.freron.MailMate MmPreferredSecurityProtocol -string 
"OpenPGP"


2. In the mail list I'm missing some times in the received columns 
when the date is shown as "yesterday"


Missing what?

3. I created a smart inbox that should show all message from today. 
Using date and 1 day seems to display messages from the last 24 hours 
and not only messages from today. Any idea how I can show only 
messages with the current date?


I'm afraid that's still not implemented, but it's a frequent request 
(starting the day at 00:00 instead of using 24 hours).



These are the most actual ones. I'm sure more some more to come.


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Re: [MlMt] Version 1.9.6 (5318) / Mailbox u nexpectedly does not exist

[Benny Kjær Nielsen]

On 19 Dec 2016, at 11:53, Robert M. Münch wrote:

Hi, I just started today to give MailMate a try and I like it a lot so 
far.


Thanks for trying out MailMate.


But I sometimes get this error message:

MailMate encountered the following error: “Mailbox unexpectedly 
does not exist. Command: 'D5 SELECT "[Airmail]/Done" 
(CONDSTORE)'.”.

Mailbox: “[Airmail]/Done”.


Any idea what this is about?


No. Apparently MailMate thinks this mailbox exists, but when MailMate 
tries to select it (open it) then the server says it doesn't exist. We 
can find out if that is true if you generate logs like this:


* Open the Activity Viewer (⌥⌘0).
* Take the account offline/online.
* Wait for the error message.
* Dismiss it and then use “Help ▸ Send Server Logs”.

After that then I recommend you unsubscribe the mailbox since it appears 
to private data for Airmail. You can do that via “Edit 
Subscriptions” in the IMAP account settings (see the File menu).


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Re: [MlMt] Moving action rules to a smart mailbox?

[Benny Kjær Nielsen]

On 17 Dec 2016, at 1:23, Steven M. Bellovin wrote:

The other day, I spent some time creating some mail-sorting rules.  
I've since decided that that's the wrong way to handle those 
particular messages.  Is there any rational way to copy the rules from 
a mailbox to create a smart mailbox, and on three different Macs?  I'm 
not afraid of text editors...


Rules are saved in this file:

~/Library/Application Support/MailMate/Mailboxes.plist

As long as MailMate is not running then this file can be copied between 
machines. You can also edit it and copy rules directly from one mailbox 
to another. Keep a backup of the file though in case something goes 
wrong :) (If MailMate cannot parse the file then it should save a copy 
itself before recreating the default mailboxes file.)


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Re: [MlMt] Labels/colors, global rules, and in-line reply/f=f

[Benny Kjær Nielsen]

On 17 Dec 2016, at 4:53, Randall Gellens wrote:

(1) Can I use a rule to add a label/color to a message (Eudora lets 
you assign any of the 7 standard Finder labels or any of 7 custom 
labels to a message, and makes either the entire row in the table of 
contents or just one column show in the color of that label).


MailMate (still) does not map tags (or flags) to Finder tags if that's 
what you are asking for. MailMate does support the colored flags seen in 
Apple Mail, but it's (still) cumbersome to actually use this in 
filters/actions. This is because a colored flag is actually a set of 
IMAP keywords as illustrated by the default key bindings for setting 
flag colors:


"F" = {
		"0" = ( "removeTag:", "\\Flagged", "removeTag:", "$MailFlagBit0", 
"removeTag:", "$MailFlagBit1", "removeTag:", "$MailFlagBit2" );
		"1" = ("setTag:", "\\Flagged", "removeTag:", "$MailFlagBit0", 
"removeTag:", "$MailFlagBit1", "removeTag:", "$MailFlagBit2" );
		"2" = ("setTag:", "\\Flagged","setTag:", "$MailFlagBit0", 
"removeTag:", "$MailFlagBit1", "removeTag:", "$MailFlagBit2" );
		"3" = ("setTag:", "\\Flagged", "removeTag:", "$MailFlagBit0",
"setTag:", "$MailFlagBit1", "removeTag:", "$MailFlagBit2" );
		"4" = ("setTag:", "\\Flagged","setTag:", "$MailFlagBit0",
"setTag:", "$MailFlagBit1", "removeTag:", "$MailFlagBit2" );
		"5" = ("setTag:", "\\Flagged", "removeTag:", "$MailFlagBit0", 
"removeTag:", "$MailFlagBit1","setTag:", "$MailFlagBit2" );
		"6" = ("setTag:", "\\Flagged","setTag:", "$MailFlagBit0", 
"removeTag:", "$MailFlagBit1","setTag:", "$MailFlagBit2" );
		"7" = ("setTag:", "\\Flagged", "removeTag:", "$MailFlagBit0",
"setTag:", "$MailFlagBit1","setTag:", "$MailFlagBit2" );

};

(2) Can rules be global, applicable to all mailboxes, or can rules be 
inherited?


Rules can be configured for any mailbox, both IMAP and smart mailboxes. 
In other words, they can apply to any set of messages for which you can 
create a smart mailbox. There's no inheritance involved with regard to 
rules.


(3) When replying, is there good support for in-line replying (where 
you alternate between quoted content and your reply), and does 
MailMate support Format=Flowed (display and generation)?


Yes, I use MailMate to do inline replies myself. The `format=flowed` 
support should be excellent. If you find a bug then it'll be very high 
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Re: [MlMt] # messages in a thread

[Benny Kjær Nielsen]

On 9 Dec 2016, at 15:39, Aaron Falk wrote:


On 9 Dec 2016, at 7:22, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote:


On 8 Dec 2016, at 20:14, Aaron Falk wrote:

Is there a way to display the number of messages in a collapsed 
thread?  Sorry if this is a FAQ.


It's not and there's no way to do that.


Ah, too bad.  It was a feature of Mulberry that I quite liked.  
Thanks.


While I remember, the latest test release includes an optional “Thread 
Size” column. It's also sortable, but it sorts the entire tree which I 
now realize might not be desirable behavior. Then again I'm not sure 
anyone would want to sort on thread size in general :)


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Re: [MlMt] Triggering markdown with 'complimentary close' above signature

[Benny Kjær Nielsen]

On 14 Dec 2016, at 21:39, Charlie Garrison wrote:

Feature request: Give special treatment to the signature marker so 
it’s not interpreted as Markdown formatting.


I do give it special treatment, but only to `-- ` and not `--`. Note the 
added space.


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[MlMt] Couple of Questions

[Robert M. Münch]

Hi all, I have couple of usage questions, wehre I'm not sure if there is a way 
to solve it:

1. If I enable both S/MIME and PGP, the default method for signing for example 
is always set to S/MIME. How can I change this? Or even better, MM should 
remember my last choice.

2. In the mail list I'm missing some times in the received columns when the 
date is shown as "yesterday"

3. I created a smart inbox that should show all message from today. Using date 
and 1 day seems to display messages from the last 24 hours and not only 
messages from today. Any idea how I can show only messages with the current 
date?

These are the most actual ones. I'm sure more some more to come.

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[MlMt] Version 1.9.6 (5318) / Mailbox u nexpectedly does not exist

[Robert M. Münch]

Hi, I just started today to give MailMate a try and I like it a lot so far. But 
I sometimes get this error message:

> MailMate encountered the following error: “Mailbox unexpectedly does not 
> exist. Command: 'D5 SELECT "[Airmail]/Done" (CONDSTORE)'.”.
> Mailbox: “[Airmail]/Done”.

Any idea what this is about?

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