Re: [MlMt] Bringing the main window to the front?

[pleasespamme]

When using the command-tab app switcher, if you hold the option key 
before letting go of command-tab (to select an app), it will restore the 
window if minimized.


On 4 Jul 2018, at 6:39, Nicholas Vahalik wrote:

Well, after a restart, MM is responding in the ways you are 
indicating. So perhaps that is the issue.


Adding a message viewer menu item would still be a welcome addition.

Nick

On 4 Jul 2018, at 4:40, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote:


On 3 Jul 2018, at 18:20, Nicholas Vahalik wrote:

If you minimize the main MailMate window there does not appear to be 
keystroke combination that makes that window come back to the front.


That is correct.

In some applications, hitting ⌘1 (Skype) or ⌘0 (Messages) will 
cause the main window to toggle visibility (or to be restored if 
minimized).


This is because of the “Window ▸ Message Viewer” menu item in 
Apple Mail. I'm willing to add this feature since I, generally, make 
things work like Apple Mail when there's not strong arguments for 
doing it differently :)


I think in the original `Mail.app`, hitting ⇧⌘N caused the main 
window to pop up if it had been minimized.


I don't think it ever worked like that. This opens a new window (also 
in MailMate).


I know Safari, Messages, and Skype all will un-minimize if they are 
re-instantiated. (e.g. minimize Safari and then, using Alfred, open 
Safari again).


However, MailMate does none of these things. It would be nice if 
MailMate would restore upon clicking the icon or re-opening the app 
through Alfred. As it stands, right now I have to find the window in 
the dock and click on it every time.


I cannot reproduce this. Clicking the Dock icon de-minimizes the 
window. Are you sure?


(⌘-tabbing does not de-minimize, but this is standard behavior.)

In addition to the refocusing upon open, it'd also be nice to have 
something like ⇧⌘N or ⌘1 that would also work in causing the 
main window to come back up after minimizing.


I've noted to make ⌘0 behave like Apple Mail.

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Re: [MlMt] Strange "Delivery Status Notification (Failure)"

[Bill Cole]

On 4 Jul 2018, at 11:27 (-0400), Compass Luca Cignacco wrote:

Today I’m having strange a behaviour of MailMate. When sending 
emails to a supplier I get this error:


Action: failed
Status: 5.6.1
Diagnostic-Code: smtp;554 5.6.1 Body type not supported by Remote 
Host


I don't know whose fault that was, me or their servers?


Both.

I assume that text is coming in an email "bounce" notification. Usually 
such messages include other useful details about which machine replied 
with that "Diagnostic-Code" message, which indicates that you probably 
need to send your mail in a more traditional form: try pure plain text.


Technically, this is probably because your outbound mail server provides 
support for one of the mechanisms that let senders skip Base64 or 
Quoted-Printable encoding of anything other than 7-bit ASCII characters 
(there are actually 3: SMTPUTF8,  8BITMIME, and BINARYMIME.) MailMate 
will send "raw" 8-bit message parts if possible, but since not all mail 
servers support one or more of those transport extensions, it may not be 
possible for your immediate outbound server to hand the message off to 
the next hop.



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Re: [MlMt] Visualize Bundle - not working?

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On 4 Jul 2018, at 0:49 (-0400), Sherif Soliman wrote:


Hi Ben,

On 3 Jul 2018, at 8:21, Ben Hyde wrote:

Maybe I just need a poke withe the clue stick, but I think this 
bundle isn’t

working today.

I installed it a half hour ago, for the first time.

And when I select a group of messages and hit cntl-t it
opens a page in Safari; but I don’t see a chart.



I'm the author of the plugin. You're not missing anything. 
Unfortunately, the plugin stopped working somewhat recently due to a 
change in the security models in browsers (all major ones, as far as I 
know) where loading an external file in the way MailMate enabled the 
plugin to do was considered insecure and no longer allowed. The 
problem is explained by Benny [in this GitHub 
issue](https://github.com/sheriferson/Visualize.mmBundle/issues/6#issuecomment-334471941).


It seems that for this to work, MailMate (or the plugin) would need to 
spin up a simple http server to be able to read the file generated by 
MailMate.


Have you looked at switching to the current version of the D3 framework? 
It seems to have switched how it retrieves external data (no more 
XMLHttpRequest) which MAY solve the issue.



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Re: [MlMt] moving between google accounts does not delete from source?

[Bill Cole]

On 2 Jul 2018, at 11:50 (-0400), Paula R. T. Coelho wrote:


hello,

i’m using MM to move thousands of messages from one account to 
another (both google), with “Move to Mailbox…”.


the intention is to remove the messages from the source account, but 
the messages keep reappearing. Labels are removed, so they show up in 
All Mail.


is this on purpose? or?


This sounds like a known form of breakage at Google. It's related to 
their message de-duplication tricks and to the way they assemble "All 
Mail." I have not tested it, but it might work to first move a message 
to a non-GMail account, empty the trash and sync the GMail account, then 
move it to the other GMail account. That way, GMail will not 
continuously have a copy of that exact message to treat as the "real" 
one to which all other references point.


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Re: [MlMt] Welcome to the "mailmate" mailing list

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Creating a Smart Mailbox with the following conditions does not return 
any started emails. What am I missing?


* Any of the following messages "All Messages"
* Condition: All of the following are true "Message is Flagged"


Thanks for all the help!



On 4 Jul 2018, at 4:58, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote:


On 4 Jul 2018, at 5:29, Randy Abbott wrote:

* Is it possible to always display the From box, even if I'm sending 
an email with the default email address?


I'm afraid there's no setting for that. A workaround is to provide an 
alternative dummy address in the “Email Addresses” field of the 
account settings:


Email Addresses: r...@example.com, du...@example.com

I'll keep this limitation in mind when re-implementing the composer 
status bar (something which I probably have to do fairly soon since it 
looks even worse in Mojave Dark mode than it already does in the 
current light mode).


* How can I setup Address Pattern for two domains? I have 
`.*@example\.com` currently, but I would like to add another. (I am 
not so great at RegExp).


One way to do it:

(.*@example1\.com|.*@example2\.com)

I've also changed the code such that when address patterns are enabled 
then the From popup is always shown. That should take care of your 
first question.


* How can I get the Starred emails in Gmail to appear in MailMate? 
The manual has detailed instructions for labels, but not so much for 
Starred emails.


The manual page says: “If you click “Edit Subscriptions” in the 
IMAP account editor for a Gmail account then you might notice that 
“[Gmail]/Starred” and “[Gmail]/Important” are unsubscribed. It 
is important to keep it that way. The starred emails are equivalent to 
flagged emails.”


Gmail “Starred” is equivalent to the IMAP keyword “\Flagged” 
and Gmail does set that on starred emails. Therefore the Starred 
label/mailbox itself is not needed (and would just cause duplicate 
emails to appear in MailMate).


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[MlMt] Strange "Delivery Status Notification (Failure)"

[Compass Luca Cignacco]

Today I’m having strange a behaviour of MailMate. When sending emails 
to a supplier I get this error:


```
Action: failed
Status: 5.6.1
Diagnostic-Code: smtp;554 5.6.1 Body type not supported by Remote Host
```

I don't know whose fault that was, me or their servers?


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Re: [MlMt] Visualize Bundle - not working?

[Stephan van Maris]

Sure, I’ll have a go at it and submit a pull request in a couple of
days.
On Wed, Jul 4, 2018, at 12:00, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote:
> On 4 Jul 2018, at 9:46, Stephan van Maris wrote:


>> Starting a local webserver just to serve a CSV file for a bundle
>> seems a bit like overkill to me. Wouldn’t it be easier to just
>> generate a Javascript file with the data instead of a CSV and include
>> it in the page using a 

Re: [MlMt] Bringing the main window to the front?

[Nicholas Vahalik]

Well, after a restart, MM is responding in the ways you are indicating. 
So perhaps that is the issue.


Adding a message viewer menu item would still be a welcome addition.

Nick

On 4 Jul 2018, at 4:40, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote:


On 3 Jul 2018, at 18:20, Nicholas Vahalik wrote:

If you minimize the main MailMate window there does not appear to be 
keystroke combination that makes that window come back to the front.


That is correct.

In some applications, hitting ⌘1 (Skype) or ⌘0 (Messages) will 
cause the main window to toggle visibility (or to be restored if 
minimized).


This is because of the “Window ▸ Message Viewer” menu item in 
Apple Mail. I'm willing to add this feature since I, generally, make 
things work like Apple Mail when there's not strong arguments for 
doing it differently :)


I think in the original `Mail.app`, hitting ⇧⌘N caused the main 
window to pop up if it had been minimized.


I don't think it ever worked like that. This opens a new window (also 
in MailMate).


I know Safari, Messages, and Skype all will un-minimize if they are 
re-instantiated. (e.g. minimize Safari and then, using Alfred, open 
Safari again).


However, MailMate does none of these things. It would be nice if 
MailMate would restore upon clicking the icon or re-opening the app 
through Alfred. As it stands, right now I have to find the window in 
the dock and click on it every time.


I cannot reproduce this. Clicking the Dock icon de-minimizes the 
window. Are you sure?


(⌘-tabbing does not de-minimize, but this is standard behavior.)

In addition to the refocusing upon open, it'd also be nice to have 
something like ⇧⌘N or ⌘1 that would also work in causing the 
main window to come back up after minimizing.


I've noted to make ⌘0 behave like Apple Mail.

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Re: [MlMt] Visualize Bundle - not working?

[Benny Kjær Nielsen]

On 4 Jul 2018, at 9:46, Stephan van Maris wrote:

Starting a local webserver just to serve a CSV file for a bundle seems 
a bit like overkill to me. Wouldn’t it be easier to just generate a 
Javascript file with the data instead of a CSV and include it in the 
page using a 

Re: [MlMt] Bringing the main window to the front?

[Benny Kjær Nielsen]

On 3 Jul 2018, at 18:20, Nicholas Vahalik wrote:

If you minimize the main MailMate window there does not appear to be 
keystroke combination that makes that window come back to the front.


That is correct.

In some applications, hitting ⌘1 (Skype) or ⌘0 (Messages) will 
cause the main window to toggle visibility (or to be restored if 
minimized).


This is because of the “Window ▸ Message Viewer” menu item in 
Apple Mail. I'm willing to add this feature since I, generally, make 
things work like Apple Mail when there's not strong arguments for doing 
it differently :)


I think in the original `Mail.app`, hitting ⇧⌘N caused the main 
window to pop up if it had been minimized.


I don't think it ever worked like that. This opens a new window (also in 
MailMate).


I know Safari, Messages, and Skype all will un-minimize if they are 
re-instantiated. (e.g. minimize Safari and then, using Alfred, open 
Safari again).


However, MailMate does none of these things. It would be nice if 
MailMate would restore upon clicking the icon or re-opening the app 
through Alfred. As it stands, right now I have to find the window in 
the dock and click on it every time.


I cannot reproduce this. Clicking the Dock icon de-minimizes the window. 
Are you sure?


(⌘-tabbing does not de-minimize, but this is standard behavior.)

In addition to the refocusing upon open, it'd also be nice to have 
something like ⇧⌘N or ⌘1 that would also work in causing the 
main window to come back up after minimizing.


I've noted to make ⌘0 behave like Apple Mail.

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Re: [MlMt] moving between google accounts does not delete from source?

[Benny Kjær Nielsen]

On 2 Jul 2018, at 17:50, Paula R. T. Coelho wrote:

i’m using MM to move thousands of messages from one account to 
another (both google), with “Move to Mailbox…”.


the intention is to remove the messages from the source account, but 
the messages keep reappearing. Labels are removed, so they show up in 
All Mail.


is this on purpose? or?


The behavior of a Gmail account depends on multiple factors. How 
MailMate behaves is described 
[here](https://manual.mailmate-app.com/account_setup#gmail), but this 
does not include a description of combining MailMate with various Gmail 
(webmail) settings. You can configure what Gmail does when an IMAP email 
client expunges emails in the webmail interface. MailMate cannot see how 
Gmail is configured and therefore there's not much I can do other than 
what an IMAP email client should do: Delete (expunge) an email in the 
source account *after* it has been uploaded to the destination account. 
In some cases Gmail considers this an action to “archive” instead of 
“deleting”.


That wasn't very clear, but I hope you got the main point: Go to the 
webmail settings and re-consider your IMAP settings for the source 
account.


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Re: [MlMt] Strategy for keeping MailMate sync'ed between multiple computers?

[Benny Kjær Nielsen]

On 23 Jun 2018, at 18:01, Mike Hucka wrote:

Does anyone have any better way to keep MailMate preferences and 
support files sync'ed between multiple machines?


I don't have a better solution for you, but I would just like to 
emphasize that any such system should make sure that MailMate is not 
running on the destination machine. Otherwise, the files(s) are just 
overwritten by MailMate, but you probably already knew this :)


(Note: please let's not derail the conversation into other topics like 
the virtues of Dropbox or other sync'ing software over rsync, or why 
I'm doing things this way.  I'm just looking for a better scheme to 
sync MailMate :-).)


Any such system would not ensure that MailMate is not running. A system 
using scripts (and `rsync`) would likely be better.


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Re: [MlMt] Can I uninstall a bundle?

[Benny Kjær Nielsen]

On 21 Jun 2018, at 15:12, John Rakestraw wrote:

Sorry about the late reply.

I decided to try uninstalling and re-installing the bundle. I removed 
the bundle from ~/Library/Application Support/MailMate/Bundles/, but 
was surprised to find it still listed among the available bundles in 
MailMate's preferences. I checked both ~/Library/Application 
Support/MailMate/Managed/Bundles/ and 
MailMate.app/Contents/SharedSupport/Bundles/, and it's not there 
either. So it must be stored somewhere else? Or am I just confused?


Check the Bundles preferences pane. Don't manually edit the 
“Managed/Bundles” folder.


Let me know if this does not work.

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Re: [MlMt] Visualize Bundle - not working?

[Stephan van Maris]

Starting a local webserver just to serve a CSV file for a bundle seems a 
bit like overkill to me. Wouldn’t it be easier to just generate a 
Javascript file with the data instead of a CSV and include it in the 
page using a 

Re: [MlMt] Welcome to the "mailmate" mailing list

[Max Andersen]

setup a smart folder where condition is "Message is Flagged"


On Wed, Jul 4, 2018 at 7:23 AM, Randy Abbott  wrote:

> How can I view flagged/starred mail in MailMate then?
>
> On 3 Jul 2018, at 23:04, Max Andersen wrote:
>
> One i Can answer immediately- starred emails is called flagged emails in
> mailmate.
>
> On Wed, 4 Jul 2018 at 05:29, Randy Abbott  wrote:
>
>> Hello,
>>
>> I am new to MailMate and I apologize if these questions seems trivial.
>> I've read the relevant sections of the manual, but I still can't find an
>> answer.
>>
>>- Is it possible to always display the From box, even if I'm sending
>>an email with the default email address?
>>- How can I setup Address Pattern for two domains? I have
>>.*@example\.com currently, but I would like to add another. (I am not
>>so great at RegExp).
>>- How can I get the Starred emails in Gmail to appear in MailMate?
>>The manual has detailed instructions for labels, but not so much for
>>Starred emails.
>>
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Re: [MlMt] Visualize Bundle - not working?

[Max Andersen]

if it can help the absolute simplest way I can think of bringing up a local
server is running `cd folderwithcontent; python -m SimpleHTTPServer 3456`

this will give you http://localhost:3456/

and the nice plus that if a server is already running on port 3456 it will
just exit so for a crude but working script for the visualizer it will
"always" work.

On Wed, Jul 4, 2018 at 6:49 AM, Sherif Soliman  wrote:

> Hi Ben,
>
> On 3 Jul 2018, at 8:21, Ben Hyde wrote:
>
> Maybe I just need a poke withe the clue stick, but I think this bundle
> isn’t
> working today.
>
> I installed it a half hour ago, for the first time.
>
> And when I select a group of messages and hit cntl-t it
> opens a page in Safari; but I don’t see a chart.
>
> I'm the author of the plugin. You're not missing anything. Unfortunately,
> the plugin stopped working somewhat recently due to a change in the
> security models in browsers (all major ones, as far as I know) where
> loading an external file in the way MailMate enabled the plugin to do was
> considered insecure and no longer allowed. The problem is explained by
> Benny in this GitHub issue
> 
> .
>
> It seems that for this to work, MailMate (or the plugin) would need to
> spin up a simple http server to be able to read the file generated by
> MailMate.
>
> I am happy to put in some time/effort to make it work if Benny has an idea
> — and needed bandwidth — to find an alternative and guide me to an extent :)
>
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