Re: [MlMt] Trying to understand tags/folders for GMail
Regards, -- Jonathan On 26 May 2014, at 17:00, mailmate-requ...@lists.freron.com wrote: FromBenny Kjær Nielsen mailingl...@freron.com ToMailMate Users mailmate@lists.freron.com Cc Bcc SubjectRe: [MlMt] Trying to understand tags/folders for GMail Date26 May 2014 12:54 On 24 May 2014, at 0:38, Jonathan Clark wrote: I also have _todo and _waiting folders that I also often copy messages to alongside the other folder. These are what I would consider to be labels/tags/flags/keywords. These messages have a primary location and are then labelled/tagged/... as a way to categorize them beyond that primary location.I'm guessing that I should be moving the folders _todo and _waiting to be tags, leaving the others as folders? Benny replied: Yes, you can create the tags “ToDo” and “Waiting” in MailMate and then make sure that they are mapped to your existing Gmail labels “_todo” and “_waiting”. But what are the practical benefits of this? If you do the above then the IMAP mailboxes in MailMate named “_todo” and “_waiting” should disappear when the account is synchronized (you might need to explicitly do that). Any messages with these labels are instead going to appear as tagged in MailMate (with ToDo and Waiting). You should create smart mailboxes with, for example, the condition: “Tags/Keywords” include “ToDo”. 1. It's about avoiding duplicate messages. In your current setup, a message located in both “_todo” and in one of your other mailboxes is going to be fetched and stored twice by MailMate. 2. It's about treating labels as tags. If something is used as a label (and not a mailbox) then this is also how it should be used in MailMate. In MailMate it is known as tags, but it's the same thing. Using the “T” shortcut you can easily add/remove your labels/tags. 3. It's about migration. If you ever need to move messages from Gmail to some other IMAP server (or the other way) then tags are preserved. Having formed a _todo tag, I have gone back and used it to tag a number of the messages in the _todo folder, and I have synchronised and re-started the app. But the _todo folder still shows. Am I missing something? And another issue: when I'm away from the Mac, I will use a variety of iOS apps to triage mail. This includes filing to the _todo folder. When I do this it doesn't seem to add the _todo tag. Is this related to the first issue? Is there a way to get this tagging working in iOS? Thanks, Jonathan___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com http://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
[MlMt] Fwd: Trying to understand tags/folders for GMail
Hi, I've been using MM for many months with GMail, but decided it was time to try out the new feature that appeared some months ago. From the release notes at the time: Recently, I implemented a workaround in MailMate for the problem of multiple labels. It is currently an experimental solution and you can enable it following the instructions in the release notes for version 1.7. In short, MailMate can be told to handle specific Gmail labels as if they were tags. If a label is handled as a tag then MailMate automatically ignores the corresponding IMAP mailbox. Tags are already supported by MailMate (no integration with Mavericks yet) and uses IMAP keywords on standard IMAP servers. This has left me a little uncertain about what I should change, and what the end result will be. As it might well be the same for others, I thought I'd ask some questions about it here, before I dive in and make some changes. I have about 30 GMail folders based on the topic of the message, and I move email to one and only one of them as quickly as possible, if it needs to be kept. I also have _todo and _waiting folders that I also often copy messages to alongside the other folder. I'm guessing that I should be moving the folders _todo and _waiting to be tags, leaving the others as folders? But what are the practical benefits of this? It's not as if my current method is really broken. Thanks, -- Jonathan ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com http://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
[MlMt] Trying to understand tags/folders for GMail
Hi, I've been using MM for many months with GMail, but decided it was time to try out the new feature that appeared some months ago. From the release notes at the time: Recently, I implemented a workaround in MailMate for the problem of multiple labels. It is currently an experimental solution and you can enable it following the instructions in the release notes for version 1.7. In short, MailMate can be told to handle specific Gmail labels as if they were tags. If a label is handled as a tag then MailMate automatically ignores the corresponding IMAP mailbox. Tags are already supported by MailMate (no integration with Mavericks yet) and uses IMAP keywords on standard IMAP servers. This has left me a little uncertain about what I should change, and what the end result will be. As it might well be the same for others, I thought I'd ask some questions about it here, before I dive in and make some changes. I have about 30 GMail folders based on the topic of the message, and I move email to one and only one of them as quickly as possible, if it needs to be kept. I also have _todo and _waiting folders that I also often copy messages to alongside the other folder. I'm guessing that I should be moving the folders _todo and _waiting to be tags, leaving the others as folders? But what are the practical benefits of this? It's not as if my current method is really broken. Thanks, -- Jonathan ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com http://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
[MlMt] Sent emails copied to inbox?
Sometimes - but not all the time - I send an email (without copying myself on CC or BCC), and immediately a copy of the email appears in my inbox. I'm mystified why this happens, as I don't have any conditions or rules on this standard MM inbox, and I don't think Gmail filters could do this either. I don't believe I have any other MM clever processing bundles active either. How can I help debug what's going on? Thanks, -- Jonathan ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com http://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Set default Send Later ?
On Monday, January 13, 2014, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote: On 13 Jan 2014, at 0:35, Max Rydahl Andersen wrote: On 10 Jan 2014, at 11:51, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote: defaults write com.freron.MailMate MmSendMessageDelayEnabled -bool YES defaults write com.freron.MailMate MmSendMessageDelay -integer 600 I tried setting the above but I don’t see the “send later” filled out ? That is kinda what I hoped for - a default of 10 minutes filled in which I can delete in case I want it sent immediately. Note that you have to relaunch MailMate. I also tried pasting the lines above and it worked for me. Worked for me, after a reboot. Thanks, Jonathan -- Thanks, -- Jonathan ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com http://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Share settings on multiple installs?
On 10 Jan 2014, at 21:09, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote: On 10 Jan 2014, at 15:28, Jonathan Clark wrote: Having tried MlMt for a month and love what it already is, and that the route to even greater things is clear, I'm pleased to commit to it, So I'd like to use it on my college computer as well. Is there a way of sharing app settings (and account settings) over Dropbox, so I can keep the two in sync? No, you can easily move all the .plist files in `~/Library/Application Support/MailMate`, but there is no way to synchronize these. In particular, you should never change these files manually while MailMate is running. I've considered ways to synchronize certain settings using IMAP itself, in particular, smart mailboxes and tags, but I haven't yet tried anything in practice. I'll copy the .plist files manually, then. Thanks for a clear answer. I know the implementation of such a thing would be difficult. One newish app that has added this feature is Alfred, and having declared which one is the 'master', sync of settings works nicely. Regards, -- Jonathan ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com http://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
[MlMt] Share settings on multiple installs?
I thought I had seen this mentioned on the mailing lists, but now can't find it. Having tried MlMt for a month and love what it already is, and that the route to even greater things is clear, I'm pleased to commit to it, So I'd like to use it on my college computer as well. Is there a way of sharing app settings (and account settings) over Dropbox, so I can keep the two in sync? Thanks, -- Jonathan ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com http://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] moveToMailbox keybindings w/ Gmail-hosted IMAP
On 19 Dec 2013, at 9:09, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote: On 19 Dec 2013, at 0:26, Jonathan Clark wrote: I've picked up this same idea, and am trying to use it with different keybindings, also with the Gmail keybinding active. Unfortunately none of the following seem to work as hoped, even after a re-start. 1 = ( moveToMailbox:, _todo ); You should use `/_todo` to indicate that it's an account-relative path (otherwise MailMate thinks it's an unknown shorthand for a standard mailbox such as drafts, sent, etc.). That works just fine. Many thanks. Regards, -- Jonathan___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com http://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] moveToMailbox keybindings w/ Gmail-hosted IMAP
I've picked up this same idea, and am trying to use it with different keybindings, also with the Gmail keybinding active. Unfortunately none of the following seem to work as hoped, even after a re-start. 1 = ( moveToMailbox:, _todo ); @1 = ( moveToMailbox:, _todo ); // ie, cmd-1 @! = ( moveToMailbox:, _todo ); // ie, cmd-shift-1 Pressing 1 moves between the two most recent messages in the list instead. Cmd-Shift-1 moves between the two most recent messages in the list, it seems. Cmd-1 is bound to View-Layout-Correspondence. The longer form of the tag/folder name doesn't work either: 1 = ( moveToMailbox:, imap://jonathan%40clarksonline.me...@imap.gmail.com/_todo ); As far as I can tell none of these codes are found in any of the system or user plists. So this has me confused. What am I missing? Thanks, -- Jonathan___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com http://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Multiple copies of 'same' item showing in folders
Thanks, TJ and Kee. I had a sneaking suspicion this would be because of Google's Gimap being not-standard IMAP. Unfortunately, despite having a look through the preferences, and through the help, I can't seem to find the way to unsubscribe from [Gmail]/Starred. Could someone help find that option, please? Thanks, -- Jonathan ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com http://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
[MlMt] Multiple copies of 'same' item showing in folders
I use Gmail, and star/flog some items as more urgent ones to deal with. In MM I'm wanting to use the built-in 'Flagged' smart folder, but I often get multiple copies of apparently the same email shown in it. When I expand out its sub-folders (which includes [Gmail]/Starred, [Gmail]/Important and INBOX), I see what's happening: each of these is showing the message as flagged. These all appear to be the exact same message (same timestamps etc.) but turning on the UID column I see that each one has a different UID. (I'm running build 3900, but this has been the case on earlier builds too.) To me this isn't expected behaviour, but I don't want to claim it's a bug, since I don't understand what the different UIDs imply, and how they got to be applied. Can anyone help? I don't remember including both [Gmail]/Starred and [Gmail]/Important sub-folders under Flagged, but presumably this happens because MM is being smart and listing any folder that contains any flagged items. But if so, then I might need a way of ignoring the [Gmail]/Starred if it's always going to pick up starred items from another folder as well ..? Yours rather confusedly, -- Jonathan ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com http://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] keybinding to load external references
^L = {loadImagesOnce:}; // ctrl-shift-l
I use the following in my custom keybindings file:
L = loadImagesOnce:; // load external references (e.g. images)
once
Aha! I had braces, which I now realise must indicate starting a list.
Which confused things.
The uppercase L is activated on the keyboard with Shift+L, just as
when typing an uppercase L. It works just fine.
And on my other point 1, I confirm MailMate needs to re-start before it
picked up this change to my custom keybinding plist.
Thanks for your help.
-- Jonathan
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Re: [MlMt] Mailmate to Evernote
On 26 Nov 2013, at 18:07, Edward Thome wrote: On 26 Nov 2013, at 11:42, Sébastien Zürcher wrote: Hi Michal, Hi all I've just tested the Evernote bundle and it works fine for me (Add and Add with Summary). Here my config: OSX: 10.9 (Maverick) Mailmate: Version 1.7.1 (3864) Evernote: Version 5.4.3 (402230) (from the AppStore) On 26 Nov 2013, at 17:21, Michal Hruska wrote: Hi Benny, I've included an Evernote AND a Things bundle matching the functionality of OmniFocus/Reminders. unfortunately the Evernote bundle doesn't work for me. I have updated MailMate to 3864 and Evernote 5.4.3 (402231). When I use Command - Evernote - Add (with summary) nothing happens. However, OmniFocus bundle works perfecly. Anybody else with similar experience? My Evernote is installed as stand-alone app, not from App Store. Hello Everyone. The Evernote bundle works for me, but I noted two things: 1) Evernote must be running; just having it running in the background was insufficient. 2) I had an older version of Evernote installed, and the MailMate command worked with that. After updating to the most recent version of Evernote, I had to quit MailMate and restart MailMate before the command would work with the new Evernote. Here are my observations (running latest versions of Mavericks, Evernote and Mailmate): 1) Evernote didn't have to be running; it was started up when needed, and the note created just fine. 2) It created a new notebook (Inbox) for the note. It needs to do something, but I'll now dig into the bundle to configure it more to my taste, though it was good it didn't fail silently because I didn't have an Inbox notebook. 3) The 'Add' command just puts the email subject into the note title field. This wasn't what I expected to happen, not having used other bundle commands before. I'd expected the 'Add' to put the whole email in, but the 'Add with summary' to put the email minus attachments. To this new user, then, the command names are confusing. 4) But, mostly, of course, thanks for adding this so quickly. -- Jonathan ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com http://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Mailmate to Evernote
That's excellent news. You have a real eye for useful features, and for creating a platform that lets others share in that creative spirit. You have our thanks! On 25 November 2013 14:13, Benny Kjær Nielsen mailingl...@freron.comwrote: On 25 Nov 2013, at 14:50, Sébastien Zürcher wrote: I was looking for a Bundle with Evernote. I found one but sadly its not working. Link: https://github.com/shurain/MailMate-Evernote Does somebody know something or did something about an Evernote intergration in MM? Yes, I also looked at the above, but it didn't quite work as I would like (and there was some hardcoded stuff which probably meant it didn't work for anyone but the creator), so I decided to fetch Evernote and make my own. Not quite ready to share, but I'll probably make it part of the next update. -- Benny ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com http://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate -- Jonathan ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com http://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
[MlMt] How to specify Gmail's Important tag?
I'm using Gmail under the hood, and I'd like to construct a smart mailbox in MM that shows either flagged or unread items that are marked with Gmail's Important tag (the yellow icon that's a cross between a rectangle and a lozenge). I can't see that appearing as an option in the Conditions part of the Smart Mailbox definition window. Is it possible? I can imagine later wanting to extend this to distinguishing between the tabs in Gmail's new-look interface: Primary / Social / Promotions / Updates / Forums. (I've checked the archive, and can't seem to find this covered before. Apologies if I haven't looked closely enough.) Thanks, -- Jonathan ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com http://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] How to specify Gmail's Important tag?
On 18 Nov 2013, at 22:18, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote: And to add to this, I went into Gmail settings, and discovered that the Important label wasn't being published over IMAP. I'd changed that setting ages ago for reasons I now can't remember. However, after a re-start or two, MailMate doesn't seem to be showing the Important label under Gmail source or [Gmail] folder. Yes, MailMate ignores it because it leads to duplicates messages. (And it has picked up other label changes I made in Gmail settings at the same time.) More and more curious ... The “Important” label is a special case. Its Gmail label name should, in theory, be “[Gmail]/Important”, but it isn't. It's “\Important” instead. So, you should define a tag named Important. It could then use `Important` as IMAP keyword as well, but the Gmail label must be `\Important`. Brilliant! That works for new messages ... There seems to be a problem with MailMate picking up this change. I had to select messages and use “Message ▸ Reset…” to make MailMate pick up the label (as a tag). You might want to just remove the account and re-add it if it's not a big account. ... and for any I Message ▸ Reset ... Many thanks, -- Jonathan___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com http://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
