Re: [MlMt] Check for Test Build
Hello Quinn, I checked the behaviour you described on my system (MacOS 12.7.3 - MM r6024) I can’t seem to reproduce your findings #2 and #4 display the same results *6016 is the latest version available. You have version 6024.* Might be an idea to recheck. Or provide some more details on the system you are using. Regards, Marc On 4 Mar 2024, at 17:26, Quinn Comendant via mailmate wrote: I've also noticed that there is an inconsistency between the different ways to check for updates. Here are the messages I see when checking for updates: ## 1. Settings → Software Update → Check Now 5937 is the latest version available. You have version 6022. ## 2. Settings → Software Update → Check Now (holding *option*) 6016 is the latest version available. You have version 6022. ## 3. MailMate menu → Check for Update 5937 is the latest version available. You have version 6022. ## 4. MailMate menu → Check for Test Build (holding *option*) 5937 is the latest version available. You have version 6022. #2 and #4 should display the same results, but they do not. I raised this issue in October 2023 but didn't get a response. Quinn___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Issue with showing messages in the same thread
Alex,
I do experience the same caveat as you
My work around:
use 2 smart mailboxes
- one to define the search so that it “contains” the message(s)
- one that gets all messages related to the tread(s) of the message(s)
in the fist mailbox
Haven’t been able to find something more convenient
Regards,
Marc
On 6 Feb 2024, at 21:27, Alex Abdo wrote:
All,
One of the most useful features in Mailmate is the ability to show all
messages in the same conversation/thread, but that feature doesn’t
work as expected when you use it after having conducted a search.
For example, if you search for all messages sent by j...@example.com,
select the message of interest, and then hit the button to show all
conversations in the same thread — you’ll get the messages in the
thread of that email, but ONLY those sent by j...@example.com. In
other words, you get messages from the same thread only if they
satisfy the search.
I’ve been trying to work around this (what I consider to be a) bug
by coming up with my own key binding that selects all of the messages
in the thread and also clears the search box, so that all messages
from the thread actually show up.
But I can’t figure out which key binding selector to use to clear
the search box. Here’s the key binding for just selecting all
messages in the same thread:
“8” = ("showThread:");
And here’s the list of key binding selectors:
https://manual.mailmate-app.com/key_binding_selectors.html
Any help would be much appreciated!
Alex
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Re: [MlMt] Why can't I hide the "To" column???
Hello, I think Alan might mean “Outline Column” Regards Marc On 12 Jan 2024, at 3:50, Alan Dobkin wrote: > Look under the Outlook Column submenu for a hint. > > On 1/11/2024 9:13 PM, leo wrote: >> In the column picker I cannot hide the “To” column. > ___ > mailmate mailing list > mailmate@lists.freron.com > https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] From "XXX via mailmate"
Benny, Many thanks for the reaction & input. I can perfectly live in this “via-world”, even better since I now understand the “root-cause”( anyhow prefer this to the meta one ;-) ). Our very best wishes, that 2024 might bring you health, happiness and more then you wish for. Kindest regards, Marc On 21 Dec 2023, at 19:38, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote: On 20 Dec 2023, at 4:55, Quinn Comendant via mailmate wrote: On 19 Dec 2023, at 16:06, Bill Cole wrote: Mailman modifies the "From" header of messages sent from domains which would otherwise be widely rejected […] I won't try to pick apart the precise details for this list. Perhaps Benny can explain the specific rules. Mailman checks the DMARC policy published to the DNS TXT records of the domain in the "From" header of the original message. If the policy is 'p=reject' or 'p=quarantine', Mailman may modify the "From" header to use the list's email address or the server's hostname to prevent rejection due to DMARC, SPF, or DKIM checks. Bill and Quinn are correct. The “via” is a workaround for DMARC-issues with the mailing list. This is one of those subjects where I feel like I have to start over every time I want to understand the details of what's going on ;-) It doesn't treat all senders the same because some people self-host their email domain and don't use DKIM or SPF. Ironically, the mailing list server for MailMate is self-hosted (by me) and it has only been using SPF. This seems to have been a serious problem with Gmail addresses (I think many/most of them have been thrown off the list by MailMan by now). Hopefully, the changes I've made today (on the server) means that DKIM will work going forward. That should make Google happy: https://blog.google/products/gmail/gmail-security-authentication-spam-protection/ This will NOT solve the problem which makes the use of “via” necessary for some correspondents. If I understand it correctly then a standard solution does exist now, but it's not a high priority for me to make that work: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Authenticated_Received_Chain -- Benny ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] There's a NEW official Test Version (6015)
Hello Charlie, What MacOS are you on? Have you tried starting MM from Terminal to see what you get. 6015 is stable for us on quite a range of MacOS’s so something might be lurking in the dark on your side. Regards, Marc On 23 Dec 2023, at 17:34, Charlie Clark wrote: Won't start for me after the update. So, I'll just go back to the previous official test release. Thanks for all for hard will Benny and god jul! ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] From "XXX via mailmate"
Dear All, Thanks for the elaborate answer. Indeed I din’t think about DMARC, SPF & DKIM and it makes sense indeed. This also explains why following a post I get a my mail from the list to the list, cc me. For those intrested From: MM_Arc via mailmate Reply-To: MailMate Users Cc: MM_Arc Sender: "mailmate" Many thanks for the info Regards Marc On 20 Dec 2023, at 4:55, Quinn Comendant via mailmate wrote: On 19 Dec 2023, at 16:06, Bill Cole wrote: Mailman modifies the "From" header of messages sent from domains which would otherwise be widely rejected […] I won't try to pick apart the precise details for this list. Perhaps Benny can explain the specific rules. Mailman checks the DMARC policy published to the DNS TXT records of the domain in the "From" header of the original message. If the policy is 'p=reject' or 'p=quarantine', Mailman may modify the "From" header to use the list's email address or the server's hostname to prevent rejection due to DMARC, SPF, or DKIM checks. It doesn't treat all senders the same because some people self-host their email domain and don't use DKIM or SPF. Quinn ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
[MlMt] From "XXX via mailmate"
Hello, I notice that some posts on the list have the format “XXX via mailmate” and others don’t. I’m trying to figure out the reason why and how this can be changed. Thanks Marc___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
[MlMt] Address completion - preferring internal/"own"
Hello, Anybody an idea on how automatic address can be “optimised” so that internal/"own" email address are preferred over external email addresses ? Thanks in advance for the input. Marc ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Selection and status retention in message list
Randall, Have you tried with 5965 of 5971 which can be found at https://updates.mailmate-app.com/archives/ In the release notes I read that Benny is/has reworking some GUI internals Maybe it’s best to test with the very latest ß to evaluate the behaviour Regards, Marc On 9 Aug 2023, at 20:22, Randall Meadows wrote: I might be an outlier here--and if so, feel free to blow me off--butI'll toss this out just in case... I frequently use message selection in the message list as a "bookmark" of sorts, showing the last place I was reading messages in any given mailbox, and/or leaving an unread message selected as a reminder to go back and deal with that message. This all worked well up until (I'm assuming) Bennie's message list updates. I've updated to v1.14 (5964) and the above scenario is no longer working. The message list does remember which message was selected when switching back and forth between different lists. But if I select/highlight an UNread message, that message gets marked as READ when the message list is redrawn. I can see both ways be valid and intentional, but I really liked the previous behavior. Bennie, can you comment on the intent behind the behavior change? And whether we'll get the previous behavior back in a future release? Thanks. randy ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Migrating MailMate to new Mac
Hello Creed, All the settings and data are stored in ~/Library/Application Support/MailMate ( you can get there by copying the sentence in Go > Goto Folder ) You can simply copy this folder/it’s contents over to the new computer. Just make sure that MM is not running while copying. Regards, Marc On 15 Jul 2023, at 1:01, Creed Erickson via mailmate wrote: I’m helping a friend set up his new Mac and migrating software from the old to the new. For most things on the computer, Apple’s Migration Assistant is not what we want to do. A pristine install of many software packages is what is needed. However, MailMate and all its bits are exactly what we want on the new machine. Is it possible to migrate all MailMate settings and rules to a new Mac manually? ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Correspondence View Broken
Hallo Robert, I presume you are writing about the View/Layout/Correspondence ( a 3 pane view ) imho this shows mails from the same correspondent aka sender This is working fine with me in 5971 on an intel Mac If you want to provide me more info of the issue I can try to reproduce the issue (pm me if needed) Mfg, Marc On 26 Jul 2023, at 16:51, Robert M. Münch wrote: Hi, the * Correspondence View* is mostly broken for me in *Version 1.14 (5971)*. * Shows a bunch (>30) of emails that definitely not form a conversation * I can't mark unread messages as read Does anybody else see such a behavior? -- Robert M. Münch **Note**: The .ASC file contains a digital PGP signature of this email. It can be used to check that this email is from me and was not changed since I wrote it. **You can’t do anything else with this file.** **Hinweis**: Die .ASC Datei enthält eine digitale PGP Signatur dieser Email. Mit dieser kann überprüft werden, dass diese Email von mir geschrieben und seitdem nicht verändert wurde. **Sie können mit der Datei ansonsten nichts weiter anfangen.** ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
[MlMt] Auto Sender selection overrule
Hello All, Is there a possibility to overrule the auto-sender selection on a per Source/Account basis ? I’m monitoring some Sources/Accounts but don’t want these to be selected for out-going mails. Thanks in advance for any creative solution Marc___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Rules dialog only displays the conditions tab, no actions available
Malcolm, Might help to select the actual mailbox in/of the source instead of the source top This is imvho because the source is just a “view” where the mailbox is the actual container. ex: I define the condition of the source as: [Any] of the following ...[Thread-Id] [is in] [Source-INBOX] [>> Thread-Id] ... [References] [is in] [Source-INBOX] [References] So the source only shows mails of the Inbox and related to these in the Inbox ( and not these I already archived ext.. Good luck Marc On 19 May 2023, at 2:17, Malcolm Fitzgerald wrote: Am I looking in the wrong place? I'm control-clicking on a mail source and selecting Edit Rules... The dialog displays "Conditions" across the top, nothing else. In the bottom half of the dialog I can set my conditions. That's great but I really want to specify the action to occur. I can't see how to specify an action to occur when the condition is met. Version 1.14 (5937) Malcolm ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
