Re: [MlMt] Non MM related question about email hosting and web hosting
Apologies for the rather long period of silence. Thanks for the heads-up, I hadn’t notice the wording or the pricing at Netlify. I did notice the discussion about EagleFiler and I have been since then looking at various ways (including using a RaspberryPi) to setup a local network storage at home as I do not own a desktop and have no plans of getting one. This might help kill a few birds, - offload emails to a secure backup at home, - function as a TimeMachine backup at home, - media/audio server for the speakers to play music/podcasts. On 7 Jan 2019, at 3:59, Rick Cogley wrote: > Hello - > >> email host and simple web host for personal, non-commercial use … >> static website… >> price b/w 70-100 USD > > I have been using Webfaction for a long time, but they got bought by GoDaddy, > a move which I’m not comfortable with. They have been fine for both email and > web/app hosting, for the many years I’ve used them and, they have great > support. > > That being said I’m thinking about changing to something else and both Gandi > and MediaTemple look good for shared hosting. I use Hugo for many sites, and > host many of those on Amazon AWS S3 with Cloudfront. It’s trivial and cheap > to host static on S3. Hugo’s own Bep coded an excellent utility that works > perfectly in an rsync-like way, to get your static files up to S3. > https://github.com/bep/s3deploy > > I’ve recently moved my private email to host on Mailfence which has good PGP > support, and so far, they’ve been very clear and straight with what they can > and cannot do. The support has been excellent. Their service also includes > calendar, contacts and a file store, so that you can move away from something > like Gmail. When I researched it, ProtonMail needs a helper app on the > desktop, to allow you to use IMAP apparently, and this helper supports only > certain mailers. I dropped them from consideration when I heard that, because > I was set on using Mailmate and unwilling to spend the time to test. > > A lot of the email services in Europe make the point about their being non-US > and therefore less subject to the possibility of invasive monitoring. They > all support S/MIME or PGP in their browser apps, which is a nice convenience > to be able to encrypt if you’re away from your main mailer. But, to me the > main point is not the availability of PGP in their apps but rather their > businesses’ locations. I can use PGP in Mailmate and in Canary on iOS, > without regard to service. > > I would be wary of Fastmail and linked services, given what’s happening > vis-à-vis privacy in Australia. > > Re mailbox size, well, you’re always going to hit a limit and keep having to > pay more (after all, private mail providers are businesses which are not > benefiting from your attention to their ads), so I would recommend a regiment > of offloading your old emails to disk, via something like EagleFiler. Some > kind soul even made a bundle in MM for it. > > You don’t mention the time unit for your price range but I can say: > > * Mailfence is ~ USD 3-4 per month > * Webfaction has been ~ USD 10 per month > * Static site on A3 is honestly negligible if low traffic and low file volume > (but, it ain’t apache so you have to get used to some things) > > Re Netlify, it is indeed slick & tempting, but the free level requires > payment for add-ons, such as the one that allows password protection. If you > want that sort of thing included by default, it jumps to the "Team Pro" level > (smallest level) @ USD 45/mo. > > Just some food for thought. > > -- > Rick Cogley > M: +81-90-9959-5452 signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Non MM related question about email hosting and web hosting
As you rightly mention, I would be in complete control. I would have loved this option if I had more time on my hands to ensure I could do this well. -- Thank you, Bharath www.bharathpalavalli.com On 7 Jan 2019, at 1:16, Randall Gellens wrote: > On 5 Jan 2019, at 9:57, Bharath M Palavalli wrote: > >> - Due to logistical reasons I cannot self-host a box at home. Also, I would >> like to host my email and the static website with two different providers as >> a failsafe. > > Another option, with its own advantages and disadvantages, would be to > contract for virtual machine / cloud service from a provider with suitable > Internet connectivity (which should be almost all of them). You can have a > virtual Linux (or other OS) box on which you run a web server, IMAP server, > and SMTP server of your choice, configured however you like. The advantage > is that you would be completely in control, able to operate as you wish. The > disadvantage is that you are completely in control, responsible for > configuring the servers. But most Linux boxes come with or have easy package > installers for several popular servers, and recipes for various > configurations are widely published. > ___ > mailmate mailing list > mailmate@lists.freron.com > https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Non MM related question about email hosting and web hosting
I am running all services at JaguarPC for many years with no issues. On 6 Jan 2019, at 20:36, Bharath M Palavalli wrote: Dear John and Ian, Thank you for your responses. I am tending towards Postbox.com for now for email. I hadn’t looked at Netlify, but it seems to be an interesting choice too! -- Thank you, Bharath www.bharathpalavalli.com ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Non MM related question about email hosting and web hosting
Hello - > email host and simple web host for personal, non-commercial use … > static website… > price b/w 70-100 USD I have been using Webfaction for a long time, but they got bought by GoDaddy, a move which I’m not comfortable with. They have been fine for both email and web/app hosting, for the many years I’ve used them and, they have great support. That being said I’m thinking about changing to something else and both Gandi and MediaTemple look good for shared hosting. I use Hugo for many sites, and host many of those on Amazon AWS S3 with Cloudfront. It’s trivial and cheap to host static on S3. Hugo’s own Bep coded an excellent utility that works perfectly in an rsync-like way, to get your static files up to S3. https://github.com/bep/s3deploy I’ve recently moved my private email to host on Mailfence which has good PGP support, and so far, they’ve been very clear and straight with what they can and cannot do. The support has been excellent. Their service also includes calendar, contacts and a file store, so that you can move away from something like Gmail. When I researched it, ProtonMail needs a helper app on the desktop, to allow you to use IMAP apparently, and this helper supports only certain mailers. I dropped them from consideration when I heard that, because I was set on using Mailmate and unwilling to spend the time to test. A lot of the email services in Europe make the point about their being non-US and therefore less subject to the possibility of invasive monitoring. They all support S/MIME or PGP in their browser apps, which is a nice convenience to be able to encrypt if you’re away from your main mailer. But, to me the main point is not the availability of PGP in their apps but rather their businesses’ locations. I can use PGP in Mailmate and in Canary on iOS, without regard to service. I would be wary of Fastmail and linked services, given what’s happening vis-à-vis privacy in Australia. Re mailbox size, well, you’re always going to hit a limit and keep having to pay more (after all, private mail providers are businesses which are not benefiting from your attention to their ads), so I would recommend a regiment of offloading your old emails to disk, via something like EagleFiler. Some kind soul even made a bundle in MM for it. You don’t mention the time unit for your price range but I can say: * Mailfence is ~ USD 3-4 per month * Webfaction has been ~ USD 10 per month * Static site on A3 is honestly negligible if low traffic and low file volume (but, it ain’t apache so you have to get used to some things) Re Netlify, it is indeed slick & tempting, but the free level requires payment for add-ons, such as the one that allows password protection. If you want that sort of thing included by default, it jumps to the "Team Pro" level (smallest level) @ USD 45/mo. Just some food for thought. -- Rick Cogley M: +81-90-9959-5452 signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Non MM related question about email hosting and web hosting
On 5 Jan 2019, at 9:57, Bharath M Palavalli wrote: - Due to logistical reasons I cannot self-host a box at home. Also, I would like to host my email and the static website with two different providers as a failsafe. Another option, with its own advantages and disadvantages, would be to contract for virtual machine / cloud service from a provider with suitable Internet connectivity (which should be almost all of them). You can have a virtual Linux (or other OS) box on which you run a web server, IMAP server, and SMTP server of your choice, configured however you like. The advantage is that you would be completely in control, able to operate as you wish. The disadvantage is that you are completely in control, responsible for configuring the servers. But most Linux boxes come with or have easy package installers for several popular servers, and recipes for various configurations are widely published. ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Non MM related question about email hosting and web hosting
Dear John and Ian, Thank you for your responses. I am tending towards Postbox.com for now for email. I hadn’t looked at Netlify, but it seems to be an interesting choice too! -- Thank you, Bharath www.bharathpalavalli.com ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Non MM related question about email hosting and web hosting
Bharath, For static site hosting try [Netlify](https://www.netlify.com). They seem do know what they are doing. Very popular amongst the [Hugo](https://gohugo.io) crowd which is probably the best of the static site generators I know of. For email hosting I can warmly recommend [Runbox](https://www.runbox.com). Cheers Ian ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
[MlMt] Non MM related question about email hosting and web hosting
Dear All, A quick question about your current preferences on an email host and simple web host for personal, non-commercial use. My requirements are as follows, - Due to logistical reasons I cannot self-host a box at home. Also, I would like to host my email and the static website with two different providers as a failsafe. - A host for the static website (for the website in the link below). - The static website is a personal website with negligible traffic volumes. - An email host/service provider that I can trust to provide IMAP service, aliases, use of special chars such as ‘+’ in email addresses, own domain, 2FA (if possible) and catch-all (if possible) without downtime. - My mailbox is currently at around 7GB and will not grow beyond 25GB. - A service provider that should have been around for a decade or more (not that it would guarantee that they would be around in the future, but being around a decade or more would suggest that they might be around for more than a decade). - In terms of price, I am looking to ensure that the combination of domain registration, web hosting and email service is between USD 70 and USD 100. Based on the current requirements, the following seem to be my options, Webhost: - NearlyFreeSpeech.net - Heroku - S3 - prq.se E-mail - Gandi.net - pobox.com/fastmail.com (from the same group but with minor changes between the two) - thexyz.com - ProtonMail Please do let me know if any of you use these services currently. -- Thank you, Bharath www.bharathpalavalli.com ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
