Re: [MlMt] Rules with variables in them?
For the record, there is a very delayed answer in this thread: https://www.mail-archive.com/mailmate@lists.freron.com/msg17300.html -- Benny On 16 Mar 2024, at 11:19, Patrik Fältström via mailmate wrote: Believe it or not, but I have started to dig into this *now* 7,5 years later. But I can not get it to work. Maybe the bundle spec have changed? The attached is what I try to do. And I try to debug, but when triggering the action, I get exactly zero output part from the following when I run MailMate in the terminal: 2024-03-16 11:12:12.943 MailMate[50646:2638116] performBundleItemWithUUIDString: C6B05304-5FA5-416A-820D-2B19893C85F2 That is good of course, but then? What I try to do which is different from what Benny had as example, is to move the message to a different account, and also I am using a variable date.year that might not exist? But that should give an error I presume? ___ mailmate mailing list Unsubscribe: https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Rules not working properly
James, My suggestion is that you use SpamSieve an app which does work with MM as well as other client email apps (Outlook and Airmail). This separate app has many features to engage with spammers who send phishing/spoofing mail, filter them to a junk or spam folder on the relevant IMAP account, including a bayesian filter to analyze the content, and optional recognition of your local contact list. These features and the author’s excellent support for the product (similar to how MM’s author supports his) far exceeds the custom trapping ability features you may now be using in MM alone. It has worked well for me in combo with Apple Mail and I use it on my server to filter mail across ALL my ten source accounts which range in type from providers like Apple (iCloud), Microsoft (Outlook Live), Google (Gmail), Yahoo Mail and other commercial server accounts. Respectfully, Henry Seiden - - Techworks Pro Co. E: infotechworksprocom W: http://techworkspro.com On 1 Jul 2024, at 7:04, James Coffey wrote: I have a Junk Mail folder that gets a lot of junk and an occasional good email. I have rules set in a mailbox called Misc that should catch those and move them there, but it only works some of the time; yet the same rule structure works for all the other sub mailboxes under my unread mailbox. I’ve added From: addresses and names but it still works sporadically. Any suggestions? ___ mailmate mailing list Unsubscribe: https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate___ mailmate mailing list Unsubscribe: https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Rules not working properly
On 1 Jul 2024, at 13:04, James Coffey wrote: I have a Junk Mail folder that gets a lot of junk and an occasional good email. I have rules set in a mailbox called Misc that should catch those and move them there, but it only works some of the time; yet the same rule structure works for all the other sub mailboxes under my unread mailbox. I’ve added From: addresses and names but it still works sporadically. Any suggestions? When trying to figure out what goes wrong then it's useful to know that you can use “Message > Reset...” to simulate that the message arrives in the mailbox again. This should trigger rules just like when it initially arrived. If you are able to locate a message which you are sure should match the conditions then you can send it to me using “Help > Send Feedback” (just drag the email into the composer window) and I'll also need the following file to see your rules: /Users//Library/Application Support/MailMate/Mailboxes.plist -- Benny ___ mailmate mailing list Unsubscribe: https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
[MlMt] Rules not working properly
I have a Junk Mail folder that gets a lot of junk and an occasional good email. I have rules set in a mailbox called Misc that should catch those and move them there, but it only works some of the time; yet the same rule structure works for all the other sub mailboxes under my unread mailbox. I’ve added From: addresses and names but it still works sporadically. Any suggestions? ___ mailmate mailing list Unsubscribe: https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Rules with variables in them?
Believe it or not, but I have started to dig into this *now* 7,5 years later.
But I can not get it to work.
Maybe the bundle spec have changed?
The attached is what I try to do. And I try to debug, but when triggering the
action, I get exactly zero output part from the following when I run MailMate
in the terminal:
2024-03-16 11:12:12.943 MailMate[50646:2638116]
performBundleItemWithUUIDString: C6B05304-5FA5-416A-820D-2B19893C85F2
That is good of course, but then?
What I try to do which is different from what Benny had as example, is to move
the message to a different account, and also I am using a variable date.year
that might not exist? But that should give an error I presume?
Bundle is attached.
Patrik
On 31 Oct 2016, at 14:18, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote:
> On 31 Oct 2016, at 4:10, Patrik Fältström wrote:
>
>> I have one mailbox where I have the name of subfolders in the form of
>> "${#date.month}".
>>
>> Can I also use that expression in one way or another in the rules?
>>
>> For example: "Move to folder /x/${#date.year}/${#date.month}"
>
> Not as easily as that (although it would be nice if it were). The workaround
> is to create a bundle command and I've attached an example of that. That
> command can then be used in rules.
>
>> And of course have that folder be created if it does not exist?
>
> That always happens when moving something to a non-existing mailbox.
>
> I should explain the command (since it's undocumented):
>
> ~~~
> {
> name = 'Archive to Date';
> environment = 'MM_FOLDER=${#date.month/-/\\//}\n';
> ~~~
>
> The `environment` is used to “transfer” a header value to the script. In this
> case a bit of regex is also used to convert `-` to `/`.
>
> ~~~
> output= actions;
> command = '#!/bin/bash
> cat << END
> { actions = ( { type = moveMessage; mailbox = "/Archive/${MM_FOLDER}"; } ); }
> END
> ';
> ~~~
>
> The `actions` output type is used when a script needs MailMate to perform
> various actions, e.g., setting tags, moving messages, creating new (and
> possibly send) messages, etc. MailMate expects a property list with the
> wanted actions. The `moveMessage` type requires a `mailbox` value. When this
> value starts with `/` then the mailbox name is automatically assumed to be
> located in the same mailbox as the message moved.
>
> ~~~
> uuid = '57A0FF65-7E0B-4853-8355-A4708FD1BC5E';
> }
> ~~~
>
> Note that if you create other commands then the `uuid` *must* be unique. You
> can put such a value on the pasteboard with this snippet for a Terminal
> window:
>
> uuidgen | tr -d "\n" | pbcopy
>
> Save the attached bundle in this folder:
>
> ~/Library/Application Support/MailMate/Bundles/
>
> Note that it should not be necessary to relaunch MailMate when making changes
> to bundles.
>
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Re: [MlMt] Rules dialog only displays the conditions tab, no actions available
That's exactly what I found. As soon as I went down to the mailbox within the Source I could set rules. thank you, Malcolm On 19 May 2023, at 20:58, MM_Arc via mailmate wrote: Malcolm, Might help to select the actual mailbox in/of the source instead of the source top This is imvho because the source is just a “view” where the mailbox is the actual container. ex: I define the condition of the source as: [Any] of the following ...[Thread-Id] [is in] [Source-INBOX] [>> Thread-Id] ... [References] [is in] [Source-INBOX] [References] So the source only shows mails of the Inbox and related to these in the Inbox ( and not these I already archived ext.. Good luck Marc On 19 May 2023, at 2:17, Malcolm Fitzgerald wrote: Am I looking in the wrong place? I'm control-clicking on a mail source and selecting Edit Rules... The dialog displays "Conditions" across the top, nothing else. In the bottom half of the dialog I can set my conditions. That's great but I really want to specify the action to occur. I can't see how to specify an action to occur when the condition is met. Version 1.14 (5937) Malcolm ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Rules dialog only displays the conditions tab, no actions available
On 20 May 2023, at 0:02, Bill Cole wrote: > On 2023-05-18 at 20:17:24 UTC-0400 (Fri, 19 May 2023 12:17:24 +1200) > Malcolm Fitzgerald > is rumored to have said: > >> The dialog displays "Conditions" across the top, nothing else. > > Does it not also have "Submailboxes" and "Rules" tabs? > > Can you provide a screenshot? Marc has picked the solution. I assumed that I could set rules on the top level. I can't. Although I can define conditions that control which messages are displayed. That's a new discovery for me and I'm already enjoying it. ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Rules dialog only displays the conditions tab, no actions available
On 2023-05-18 at 20:17:24 UTC-0400 (Fri, 19 May 2023 12:17:24 +1200) Malcolm Fitzgerald is rumored to have said: > The dialog displays "Conditions" across the top, nothing else. Does it not also have "Submailboxes" and "Rules" tabs? Can you provide a screenshot? -- Bill Cole b...@scconsult.com or billc...@apache.org (AKA @grumpybozo and many *@billmail.scconsult.com addresses) Not Currently Available For Hire ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Rules dialog only displays the conditions tab, no actions available
Malcolm, Might help to select the actual mailbox in/of the source instead of the source top This is imvho because the source is just a “view” where the mailbox is the actual container. ex: I define the condition of the source as: [Any] of the following ...[Thread-Id] [is in] [Source-INBOX] [>> Thread-Id] ... [References] [is in] [Source-INBOX] [References] So the source only shows mails of the Inbox and related to these in the Inbox ( and not these I already archived ext.. Good luck Marc On 19 May 2023, at 2:17, Malcolm Fitzgerald wrote: Am I looking in the wrong place? I'm control-clicking on a mail source and selecting Edit Rules... The dialog displays "Conditions" across the top, nothing else. In the bottom half of the dialog I can set my conditions. That's great but I really want to specify the action to occur. I can't see how to specify an action to occur when the condition is met. Version 1.14 (5937) Malcolm ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
[MlMt] Rules dialog only displays the conditions tab, no actions available
Am I looking in the wrong place? I'm control-clicking on a mail source and selecting Edit Rules... The dialog displays "Conditions" across the top, nothing else. In the bottom half of the dialog I can set my conditions. That's great but I really want to specify the action to occur. I can't see how to specify an action to occur when the condition is met. Version 1.14 (5937) Malcolm ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Rules location?
On 13 May 2021, at 16:36, Randall Meadows wrote: > What's the functional difference between having rules applied to a "Source" > versus that source's INBOX? The top-level account mailboxes under Sources contain all emails in all mailboxes within that account. To be honest, it shouldn't really be possible to apply rules to these mailboxes since it makes little sense to do so for most users. In fact, most of the panes available are unlikely to be used where a better solution does not exist. Note that the INBOX of an account is equivalent to the account-named submailbox of the universal Inbox under the Mailboxes section (if you have multiple accounts). Think of it like a disk folder alias. -- Benny ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
[MlMt] Rules location?
What's the functional difference between having rules applied to a "Source" versus that source's INBOX? ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Rules sometimes don't move messages
On 23 Mar 2021, at 9:36, Robert Goldman wrote: On 23 Mar 2021, at 11:13, Randall Gellens wrote: I'm running Mailmate version 1.13.2 (5673), which I think is the latest release version. One of my rules adds a tag and moves the message to a different IMAP folder. Lately, I've noticed that it unpredictably and randomly but repeatedly fails to perform the move. It does apply the tag, so I know it activated. I don't see any errors in the Activity Viewer, but the errors might have been hours ago. I checked /tmp/mailmate_logs, but the only file there is mailmate_parser_problems.log which reports some non-compliant message content. I'm also having real problems with rules lately. I absolutely have not been able to add rules that work, although most of my old rules seem to work. I'd be *very, very* grateful if someone could post a HOWTO about rule debugging. My previous approach was to make rules that would set flags, so that I could interactively tell if they were working, but now I have been having problems where rules will stop working when I add a conjunct, and not restore operation when I remove it. You could try creating a new rule, as a test. Are there files that we can examine to get a sense of what might be going wrong? Not that I am aware of. One trick you can do is use Edit -> Find -> Mailbox Search to manually create the exact conditions that are in the rule, and see if the search finds the messages you expect. Am I right in thinking that the `Mailboxes.plist` file in `~/Library/Application Support/MailMate/` is where all the rules are stored? Yes, that's where they are. If you create a new rule and that works, you can look at both in the plist file and see if you can find any differences. Is there some logging we could turn on to see when rules succeed at matching or fail? Not that I am aware of. --Randall ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Rules sometimes don't move messages
On 23 Mar 2021, at 11:13, Randall Gellens wrote: I'm running Mailmate version 1.13.2 (5673), which I think is the latest release version. One of my rules adds a tag and moves the message to a different IMAP folder. Lately, I've noticed that it unpredictably and randomly but repeatedly fails to perform the move. It does apply the tag, so I know it activated. I don't see any errors in the Activity Viewer, but the errors might have been hours ago. I checked /tmp/mailmate_logs, but the only file there is mailmate_parser_problems.log which reports some non-compliant message content. I'm also having real problems with rules lately. I absolutely have not been able to add rules that work, although most of my old rules seem to work. I'd be *very, very* grateful if someone could post a HOWTO about rule debugging. My previous approach was to make rules that would set flags, so that I could interactively tell if they were working, but now I have been having problems where rules will stop working when I add a conjunct, and not restore operation when I remove it. Are there files that we can examine to get a sense of what might be going wrong? Am I right in thinking that the `Mailboxes.plist` file in `~/Library/Application Support/MailMate/` is where all the rules are stored? Is there some logging we could turn on to see when rules succeed at matching or fail? Thanks! ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
[MlMt] Rules sometimes don't move messages
I'm running Mailmate version 1.13.2 (5673), which I think is the latest release version. One of my rules adds a tag and moves the message to a different IMAP folder. Lately, I've noticed that it unpredictably and randomly but repeatedly fails to perform the move. It does apply the tag, so I know it activated. I don't see any errors in the Activity Viewer, but the errors might have been hours ago. I checked /tmp/mailmate_logs, but the only file there is mailmate_parser_problems.log which reports some non-compliant message content. --Randall ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Rules not firing - even when manually executed
I was on the latest release, and I'm still seeing the problem. So, Robert, it is at least not obviously fixed by downgrading to the release version. Anyone have any more info on rules? Seems like several of us are having issues with the rules editor and applying rules. On 18 Feb 2021, at 8:57, Robert Goldman wrote: On 18 Feb 2021, at 8:33, Robert Goldman wrote: On 18 Feb 2021, at 7:14, Robert Wall wrote: Just flagging this as solved for me. I went to do updates, and for some reason I was on a beta / pre-release version. Mailmate prompted me to downgrade, I did, and all is well. Worth noting. I checked in response to this and I see MailMate 5673 is the latest version available—you have version 5673. So ... Maybe that's a beta? Is there anything we should do to identify the issue in the beta so it doesn't slip through into production? Hmmm That doesn't look like the latest version. Wonder what's going wrong for me in software update? Anyone have any suggestions? On 16 Feb 2021, at 10:30, Robert Goldman wrote: On 16 Feb 2021, at 8:14, Robert Wall wrote: However, if I change it to ... 1. edit rules for mailbox 'foo' 2. switch to some other mailbox (doesn't matter which one) 3. switch back to mailbox 'foo' 4. run rules manually ... then the rules work as expected. I just tried this, and no joy unfortunately. I even quit and re-launched. I have been having the exact same problem. Interestingly, the use of rules in defining smart mailboxes seems to be fine, and at least some of my old rules are working. I just cannot seem to get a new rule to work. I have seen anomalies in development of rules, too -- I was trying to build them using tagging as the action (so I could easily see the effect of a rule), I would add and then delete conjuncts to a rule and this change was not idempotent: the rules would stop working with the new conjunct, but would not start working again when I deleted it. I have a vague memory of Benny saying there was some way to debug the rules (by enabling some kind of MM logging to the screen), but I have forgotten how to do it. 😢 I think I had to toggle some preference and then start MailMate from the command line... ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Rules "older than" question?
On 18 Feb 2021, at 10:42, Tobias Jung wrote: It feels like those > and < symbols are backwards. > 2 weeks ago and < 1 weeks ago doesn't feel like it should match anything - can anybody help me wrap my head around that syntax? My guess is that "> 2 weeks ago" is shorthand for "date is larger than the Unix timestamp that represents the date two weeks ago", not for "more than two weeks ago". (Newer messages have a larger timestamp than old ones.) Ah, yeah - that makes all the sense in the world. I program PHP, so I actually work with timestamps all the time. Just didn't click here. Thanks! ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Rules "older than" question?
On 18 Feb 2021, at 15:03, Robert Wall wrote: So in /Users/robertwall/Library/Application Support/MailMate/Mailboxes.plist, I would find my rule, and change the line in my rule (this is Mailmate's "message is received last week" default rule) that says: filter = "(#date-received >[f] 2 weeks ago and #date-received <[f] 1 weeks ago)"; to something more like filter = "(#date-received <[f] 7 days ago)"; ? Yeah, that’s exactly the line that was written to my plist by the setting that I posted as a screenshot (except that I set "#date" instead of "#date-received".) It feels like those > and < symbols are backwards. > 2 weeks ago and < 1 weeks ago doesn't feel like it should match anything - can anybody help me wrap my head around that syntax? My guess is that "> 2 weeks ago" is shorthand for "date is larger than the Unix timestamp that represents the date two weeks ago", not for "more than two weeks ago". (Newer messages have a larger timestamp than old ones.) Regards, Tobias ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Rules not firing - even when manually executed
On 18 Feb 2021, at 8:33, Robert Goldman wrote: On 18 Feb 2021, at 7:14, Robert Wall wrote: Just flagging this as solved for me. I went to do updates, and for some reason I was on a beta / pre-release version. Mailmate prompted me to downgrade, I did, and all is well. Worth noting. I checked in response to this and I see MailMate 5673 is the latest version available—you have version 5673. So ... Maybe that's a beta? Is there anything we should do to identify the issue in the beta so it doesn't slip through into production? Hmmm That doesn't look like the latest version. Wonder what's going wrong for me in software update? Anyone have any suggestions? On 16 Feb 2021, at 10:30, Robert Goldman wrote: On 16 Feb 2021, at 8:14, Robert Wall wrote: However, if I change it to ... 1. edit rules for mailbox 'foo' 2. switch to some other mailbox (doesn't matter which one) 3. switch back to mailbox 'foo' 4. run rules manually ... then the rules work as expected. I just tried this, and no joy unfortunately. I even quit and re-launched. I have been having the exact same problem. Interestingly, the use of rules in defining smart mailboxes seems to be fine, and at least some of my old rules are working. I just cannot seem to get a new rule to work. I have seen anomalies in development of rules, too -- I was trying to build them using tagging as the action (so I could easily see the effect of a rule), I would add and then delete conjuncts to a rule and this change was not idempotent: the rules would stop working with the new conjunct, but would not start working again when I deleted it. I have a vague memory of Benny saying there was some way to debug the rules (by enabling some kind of MM logging to the screen), but I have forgotten how to do it. 😢 I think I had to toggle some preference and then start MailMate from the command line... ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Rules not firing - even when manually executed
On 18 Feb 2021, at 7:14, Robert Wall wrote: Just flagging this as solved for me. I went to do updates, and for some reason I was on a beta / pre-release version. Mailmate prompted me to downgrade, I did, and all is well. Worth noting. I checked in response to this and I see MailMate 5673 is the latest version available—you have version 5673. So ... Maybe that's a beta? Is there anything we should do to identify the issue in the beta so it doesn't slip through into production? On 16 Feb 2021, at 10:30, Robert Goldman wrote: On 16 Feb 2021, at 8:14, Robert Wall wrote: However, if I change it to ... 1. edit rules for mailbox 'foo' 2. switch to some other mailbox (doesn't matter which one) 3. switch back to mailbox 'foo' 4. run rules manually ... then the rules work as expected. I just tried this, and no joy unfortunately. I even quit and re-launched. I have been having the exact same problem. Interestingly, the use of rules in defining smart mailboxes seems to be fine, and at least some of my old rules are working. I just cannot seem to get a new rule to work. I have seen anomalies in development of rules, too -- I was trying to build them using tagging as the action (so I could easily see the effect of a rule), I would add and then delete conjuncts to a rule and this change was not idempotent: the rules would stop working with the new conjunct, but would not start working again when I deleted it. I have a vague memory of Benny saying there was some way to debug the rules (by enabling some kind of MM logging to the screen), but I have forgotten how to do it. 😢 I think I had to toggle some preference and then start MailMate from the command line... ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Rules "older than" question?
So in /Users/robertwall/Library/Application Support/MailMate/Mailboxes.plist, I would find my rule, and change the line in my rule (this is Mailmate's "message is received last week" default rule) that says: filter = "(#date-received >[f] 2 weeks ago and #date-received <[f] 1 weeks ago)"; to something more like filter = "(#date-received <[f] 7 days ago)"; ? It feels like those > and < symbols are backwards. > 2 weeks ago and < 1 weeks ago doesn't feel like it should match anything - can anybody help me wrap my head around that syntax? :D Or is "filter" describing the messages to *keep*? Happy to write rules manually if necessary, as long as I have some confidence I'm doing it correctly! On 18 Feb 2021, at 7:24, Charlie Clark wrote: On 18 Feb 2021, at 14:18, Robert Wall wrote: Working on a few rules. I see that I can do "received", and I can use descriptors like "last week", "last month", etc. What I *want* is something like "anything older than x days". I realize that if I do it manually once, in the future it should stay caught up as the mail checks automatically - but I have a bunch of old messages it would be nice to be able to sweep up programatically. Is there a way to do this that I'm just not seeing? I seem to remember that not all options are available in the new views so you might have edit the rules plist manually. Charlie -- Charlie Clark Kronenstr. 27a Düsseldorf D- 40217 Tel: +49-211-938-5360 Mobile: +49-178-782-6226 ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Rules "older than" question?
Hmmm, the option is available on my system, see attachment. On 18 Feb 2021, at 14:45, Robert Wall wrote: When I set up a "last week" rule (that's the option in the UI), it seems to pull messages received the previous *calendar* week - not the past 7 days. And "is not" isn't an option in the UI. On 18 Feb 2021, at 7:23, Tobias Jung wrote: On 18 Feb 2021, at 14:18, Robert Wall wrote: Working on a few rules. I see that I can do "received", and I can use descriptors like "last week", "last month", etc. What I *want* is something like "anything older than x days". Well, the rule for "last week" is "Date-Received is within last 7 days". I didn’t try that now, but wouldn’t the rule "Date-Received is NOT within last 7 days" be exactly what you want? Kind regards, Tobias Jung ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Rules "older than" question?
When I set up a "last week" rule (that's the option in the UI), it seems to pull messages received the previous *calendar* week - not the past 7 days. And "is not" isn't an option in the UI. On 18 Feb 2021, at 7:23, Tobias Jung wrote: On 18 Feb 2021, at 14:18, Robert Wall wrote: Working on a few rules. I see that I can do "received", and I can use descriptors like "last week", "last month", etc. What I *want* is something like "anything older than x days". Well, the rule for "last week" is "Date-Received is within last 7 days". I didn’t try that now, but wouldn’t the rule "Date-Received is NOT within last 7 days" be exactly what you want? Kind regards, Tobias Jung ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Rules "older than" question?
On 18 Feb 2021, at 14:18, Robert Wall wrote: Working on a few rules. I see that I can do "received", and I can use descriptors like "last week", "last month", etc. What I *want* is something like "anything older than x days". I realize that if I do it manually once, in the future it should stay caught up as the mail checks automatically - but I have a bunch of old messages it would be nice to be able to sweep up programatically. Is there a way to do this that I'm just not seeing? I seem to remember that not all options are available in the new views so you might have edit the rules plist manually. Charlie -- Charlie Clark Kronenstr. 27a Düsseldorf D- 40217 Tel: +49-211-938-5360 Mobile: +49-178-782-6226 ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Rules "older than" question?
On 18 Feb 2021, at 14:18, Robert Wall wrote: Working on a few rules. I see that I can do "received", and I can use descriptors like "last week", "last month", etc. What I *want* is something like "anything older than x days". Well, the rule for "last week" is "Date-Received is within last 7 days". I didn’t try that now, but wouldn’t the rule "Date-Received is NOT within last 7 days" be exactly what you want? Kind regards, Tobias Jung ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
[MlMt] Rules "older than" question?
Working on a few rules. I see that I can do "received", and I can use descriptors like "last week", "last month", etc. What I *want* is something like "anything older than x days". I realize that if I do it manually once, in the future it should stay caught up as the mail checks automatically - but I have a bunch of old messages it would be nice to be able to sweep up programatically. Is there a way to do this that I'm just not seeing?___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Rules not firing - even when manually executed
Just flagging this as solved for me. I went to do updates, and for some reason I was on a beta / pre-release version. Mailmate prompted me to downgrade, I did, and all is well. Worth noting. :) On 16 Feb 2021, at 10:30, Robert Goldman wrote: On 16 Feb 2021, at 8:14, Robert Wall wrote: However, if I change it to ... 1. edit rules for mailbox 'foo' 2. switch to some other mailbox (doesn't matter which one) 3. switch back to mailbox 'foo' 4. run rules manually ... then the rules work as expected. I just tried this, and no joy unfortunately. I even quit and re-launched. I have been having the exact same problem. Interestingly, the use of rules in defining smart mailboxes seems to be fine, and at least some of my old rules are working. I just cannot seem to get a new rule to work. I have seen anomalies in development of rules, too -- I was trying to build them using tagging as the action (so I could easily see the effect of a rule), I would add and then delete conjuncts to a rule and this change was not idempotent: the rules would stop working with the new conjunct, but would not start working again when I deleted it. I have a vague memory of Benny saying there was some way to debug the rules (by enabling some kind of MM logging to the screen), but I have forgotten how to do it. 😢 I think I had to toggle some preference and then start MailMate from the command line... ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Rules not firing - even when manually executed
On 16 Feb 2021, at 8:14, Robert Wall wrote: However, if I change it to ... 1. edit rules for mailbox 'foo' 2. switch to some other mailbox (doesn't matter which one) 3. switch back to mailbox 'foo' 4. run rules manually ... then the rules work as expected. I just tried this, and no joy unfortunately. I even quit and re-launched. I have been having the exact same problem. Interestingly, the use of rules in defining smart mailboxes seems to be fine, and at least some of my old rules are working. I just cannot seem to get a new rule to work. I have seen anomalies in development of rules, too -- I was trying to build them using tagging as the action (so I could easily see the effect of a rule), I would add and then delete conjuncts to a rule and this change was not idempotent: the rules would stop working with the new conjunct, but would not start working again when I deleted it. I have a vague memory of Benny saying there was some way to debug the rules (by enabling some kind of MM logging to the screen), but I have forgotten how to do it. 😢 I think I had to toggle some preference and then start MailMate from the command line... ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Rules not firing - even when manually executed
> However, if I change it to ... > > 1. edit rules for mailbox 'foo' > 2. switch to some other mailbox (doesn't matter which one) > 3. switch back to mailbox 'foo' > 4. run rules manually > > ... then the rules work as expected. I just tried this, and no joy unfortunately. I even quit and re-launched. ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Rules not firing - even when manually executed
> I created the rule in Mailmate with the message highlighted, so > Mailmate filled in the text for the two conditions of the rule > from the email. Highlighting that exact message and Mailbox -> > Apply Rules Of Inbox -> All Messages doesn't do anything. If I do > the "selected messages" instead of "all messages", nothing there > either. Long ago I had that issue. This doesn't work for me ... 1. edit rules 2. run rules manually ... just as you have noticed. However, if I change it to ... 1. edit rules for mailbox 'foo' 2. switch to some other mailbox (doesn't matter which one) 3. switch back to mailbox 'foo' 4. run rules manually ... then the rules work as expected. Seems like the rules are somehow enacted when you switch to a mailbox and not upon editing them. I have always intended to file a bug report, but ... I am a lousy user, I guess. allman -- https://www.icir.org/mallman/ @mallman_icsi signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
[MlMt] Rules not firing - even when manually executed
Running Mailmate Version 1.14 (5757), Big Sur 11.1. I'm just getting into rules, and created three for my inbox. For example, one for cron notifications from a script on my server: If All of the following are true If From + Name is "Cron Daemon" If Subject is "Cron Subject" Move to mailbox "Notifications Archive" Subject is always the same, From + Name is always the same. I created the rule in Mailmate with the message highlighted, so Mailmate filled in the text for the two conditions of the rule from the email. Highlighting that exact message and Mailbox -> Apply Rules Of Inbox -> All Messages doesn't do anything. If I do the "selected messages" instead of "all messages", nothing there either. Is something goofy? Am I doing something wrong? ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Rules order of exec; possible coflict
Well, conflict is easily avoided by not having rules directly tied to any mailbox\location…a few clients do this now… In terms of a use-case, I would refer back to the one in my initial post: Let’s say you have 2 Smart Mailboxes that refer to messages that are in some IMAP mailbox - say Inbox. Then let’s say a rule is created in all three places to act upon those messages. What is the execution order — if any — and what happens when each rule does it’s job to act upon the messages? Also, if the rule’s function is part of the execution decision criteria, then it would be good to understand that as well. A secondary question is this: What will happen if a rule is created that refers to messages in a different location? For example, a rule is created for the Inbox but in the Conditions pane, it is configured to includes messages in Sent? Will this rule still execute with no issue? If so, then what is the significance of having rules attached to mailboxes\locations rather than just in a single repository? On 7 Sep 2020, at 2:30, Charlie Clark wrote: On 4 Sep 2020, at 21:06, Antonio Leding wrote: Hello all, Is there a defined order of execution for rules? I ask because my secondary question is what happens if rules apply to the same message but in different mailboxes? For example, in the INBOX but then also for a Smart Folder that is scanning that same INBOX? What would happen in these cases? It depends very much on what the rule is. As with any system the potential for conflict is always there and it's really up to you to work out how you want to deal with it. But, really, be more specific. Do you have a particularly case in mind? Charlie -- Charlie Clark Kronenstr. 27a Düsseldorf D- 40217 Tel: +49-211-938-5360 Mobile: +49-178-782-6226 ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Rules order of exec; possible coflict
On 4 Sep 2020, at 21:06, Antonio Leding wrote: Hello all, Is there a defined order of execution for rules? I ask because my secondary question is what happens if rules apply to the same message but in different mailboxes? For example, in the INBOX but then also for a Smart Folder that is scanning that same INBOX? What would happen in these cases? It depends very much on what the rule is. As with any system the potential for conflict is always there and it's really up to you to work out how you want to deal with it. But, really, be more specific. Do you have a particularly case in mind? Charlie -- Charlie Clark Kronenstr. 27a Düsseldorf D- 40217 Tel: +49-211-938-5360 Mobile: +49-178-782-6226 ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
[MlMt] Rules order of exec; possible coflict
Hello all, Is there a defined order of execution for rules? I ask because my secondary question is what happens if rules apply to the same message but in different mailboxes? For example, in the INBOX but then also for a Smart Folder that is scanning that same INBOX? What would happen in these cases? ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Rules dialog popping up unexpectedly
On 4 Feb 2020, at 15:01, Ben Hyde wrote: On 1 Feb 2020, at 10:39, Eric Sharakan wrote: On 1 Feb 2020, at 9:05, Charlie Clark wrote: On 31 Jan 2020, at 20:16, Eric Sharakan wrote: Hi, this one is a minor annoyance, but it happens to me multiple times a day. Often, when the focus is on another App, I'll click once in the MM window to make it active, and then click again to select a mailbox. If those two clicks happen quickly enough (under a second apart or so), the Rules composition window pops up, and I have to explicitly dismiss it. Ideally, the click to make MM active would not be "counted" to determine whether a double-click action on a mailbox has occurred. Is there any way to control this? Or some way to prevent all these unwanted Rules window activations? I get something similar when clicking on messages, the search function gets activated. While I was using my graphics tablet I thought this was due to inadvertent double-clicks, but as I still get it with a mouse I think this is a MailMate bug and probably be filed as such. Charlie I fear this is actually a system-wide MacOS thing, as I see similar behavior in other Apps. Still, I hope Benny can do something in MM to help. -Eric I wonder if that might not be related to the system preferences -> mouse -> double click speed. I vaguely moving that toward the faster end of the spectrum at some point a few years ago. - ben Yes, setting the double-click speed will certainly impact this. But the real issue is that the click that gives a new App focus should not be considered as starting a double-click, no matter how fast or slow the subsequent click. -Eric ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Rules dialog popping up unexpectedly
On 1 Feb 2020, at 10:39, Eric Sharakan wrote: On 1 Feb 2020, at 9:05, Charlie Clark wrote: On 31 Jan 2020, at 20:16, Eric Sharakan wrote: Hi, this one is a minor annoyance, but it happens to me multiple times a day. Often, when the focus is on another App, I'll click once in the MM window to make it active, and then click again to select a mailbox. If those two clicks happen quickly enough (under a second apart or so), the Rules composition window pops up, and I have to explicitly dismiss it. Ideally, the click to make MM active would not be "counted" to determine whether a double-click action on a mailbox has occurred. Is there any way to control this? Or some way to prevent all these unwanted Rules window activations? I get something similar when clicking on messages, the search function gets activated. While I was using my graphics tablet I thought this was due to inadvertent double-clicks, but as I still get it with a mouse I think this is a MailMate bug and probably be filed as such. Charlie I fear this is actually a system-wide MacOS thing, as I see similar behavior in other Apps. Still, I hope Benny can do something in MM to help. -Eric I wonder if that might not be related to the system preferences -> mouse -> double click speed. I vaguely moving that toward the faster end of the spectrum at some point a few years ago. - ben___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Rules dialog popping up unexpectedly
On 1 Feb 2020, at 9:05, Charlie Clark wrote: On 31 Jan 2020, at 20:16, Eric Sharakan wrote: Hi, this one is a minor annoyance, but it happens to me multiple times a day. Often, when the focus is on another App, I'll click once in the MM window to make it active, and then click again to select a mailbox. If those two clicks happen quickly enough (under a second apart or so), the Rules composition window pops up, and I have to explicitly dismiss it. Ideally, the click to make MM active would not be "counted" to determine whether a double-click action on a mailbox has occurred. Is there any way to control this? Or some way to prevent all these unwanted Rules window activations? I get something similar when clicking on messages, the search function gets activated. While I was using my graphics tablet I thought this was due to inadvertent double-clicks, but as I still get it with a mouse I think this is a MailMate bug and probably be filed as such. Charlie I fear this is actually a system-wide MacOS thing, as I see similar behavior in other Apps. Still, I hope Benny can do something in MM to help. -Eric ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Rules dialog popping up unexpectedly
On 31 Jan 2020, at 20:16, Eric Sharakan wrote: Hi, this one is a minor annoyance, but it happens to me multiple times a day. Often, when the focus is on another App, I'll click once in the MM window to make it active, and then click again to select a mailbox. If those two clicks happen quickly enough (under a second apart or so), the Rules composition window pops up, and I have to explicitly dismiss it. Ideally, the click to make MM active would not be "counted" to determine whether a double-click action on a mailbox has occurred. Is there any way to control this? Or some way to prevent all these unwanted Rules window activations? I get something similar when clicking on messages, the search function gets activated. While I was using my graphics tablet I thought this was due to inadvertent double-clicks, but as I still get it with a mouse I think this is a MailMate bug and probably be filed as such. Charlie -- Charlie Clark Kronenstr. 27a Düsseldorf D- 40217 Tel: +49-211-938-5360 Mobile: +49-178-782-6226 ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
[MlMt] Rules dialog popping up unexpectedly
Hi, this one is a minor annoyance, but it happens to me multiple times a day. Often, when the focus is on another App, I'll click once in the MM window to make it active, and then click again to select a mailbox. If those two clicks happen quickly enough (under a second apart or so), the Rules composition window pops up, and I have to explicitly dismiss it. Ideally, the click to make MM active would not be "counted" to determine whether a double-click action on a mailbox has occurred. Is there any way to control this? Or some way to prevent all these unwanted Rules window activations? Thanks. -Eric ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Rules for saving attachments?
On 29 Jan 2019, at 9:55, Thomas Grau wrote: Is it possible to save all pdf attachments of this smart mailbox by conditions to a directory or maybe even in subdirectories? Yes, but it's not very well documented. The relevant documentation is [here](https://github.com/mailmate/mailmate_manual/wiki/Bundles#inputFilesPattern) and another user made [this bundle](https://github.com/slochower/bundles/tree/master/My%20Save.mmbundle) which I think you could possibly use as is. -- Benny ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
[MlMt] Rules for saving attachments?
Hi there, I’m looking for a solution for this „auto-attachment saving problem“. I have a Smart Mailbox over multiple IMAP Accounts filtered by Conditions (like fromname containing $name, filename containing „pdf“). With „Auto-Submailboxes“ I have a „Invoices Folder“ with subfolders of the issuers. Is it possible to save all pdf attachments of this smart mailbox by conditions to a directory or maybe even in subdirectories? Background: a lot of invoices from different addresses should be automagically downloaded to a specific directory. Looking forward to your answer Cheers, Thomas ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Rules and sent messages
(Sorry about the late reply. I'm now back from vacation and I'll be trying to get through the 100+ messages on the mailing list within the next few hours.) On 18 Dec 2018, at 19:01, Dave C wrote: My problem—since I first started using MailMate—is with the Sent Messages. In all the smart mailboxes, whenever I reply to a message, 2 copies of the reply appear in the appropriate mailbox. I’ve fiddled with the rules in each but can’t find the cause of these duplicates. Can you add a column showing the Mailbox where the found message copies are located? The duplicate message in the mailbox originates in the Sent Mail for that account (Gmail). How do I keep this message from appearing in Smart mailboxes other than the Sent Mail mailbox? Gmail doesn't really allow duplicates, but an email can have multiple labels resulting in duplicates in MailMate (more about Gmail [here](https://manual.mailmate-app.com/account_setup#gmail)). I suspect maybe MailMate uses a different mailbox for sent messages than the default one for Gmail. Could you make sure that MailMate uses “[Gmail]/Sent Mail”? (Click on this mailbox under Sources and then check “Mailbox ▸ Mailbox Type”.) -- Benny https://freron.com/become_a_mailmate_patron/ ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Rules and sent messages
My problem—since I first started using MailMate—is with the Sent Messages. In all the smart mailboxes, whenever I reply to a message, 2 copies of the reply appear in the appropriate mailbox. I’ve fiddled with the rules in each but can’t find the cause of these duplicates. For the record, it’s not “Rules” but “Conditions” that I need to modify to eliminate the copy of Sent messages that sneak into my other Smart Mailboxes… Dave ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Rules and sent messages
My problem—since I first started using MailMate—is with the Sent Messages. In all the smart mailboxes, whenever I reply to a message, 2 copies of the reply appear in the appropriate mailbox. I’ve fiddled with the rules in each but can’t find the cause of these duplicates. Can you add a column showing the Mailbox where the found message copies are located? The duplicate message in the mailbox originates in the Sent Mail for that account (Gmail). How do I keep this message from appearing in Smart mailboxes other than the Sent Mail mailbox? Thanks, Dave ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Rules and sent messages
On 17 Dec 2018, at 8:17, Dave C wrote: I’ve got plenty of smart mailboxes with rules. The incoming messages are sorted to mailboxes as i want them to be. My problem—since I first started using MailMate—is with the Sent Messages. In all the smart mailboxes, whenever I reply to a message, 2 copies of the reply appear in the appropriate mailbox. I’ve fiddled with the rules in each but can’t find the cause of these duplicates. You can use the “Source Mailbox” column in the message list to see where the duplicates are located. If it's Gmail then it'll help if you tell MailMate to use the same mailbox for sent messages as Gmail does (use “Mailbox ▸ Mailbox Type” to assign it to “[Gmail]/Sent Mail”, because the Gmail SMTP server saves a copy as well (when the duplicate is detected then the Google server removes it -- yes, Google has their own interpretation of how IMAP/SMTP should work). I hope this helps. -- Benny https://freron.com/become_a_mailmate_patron/ ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Rules and sent messages
Not BCC’ing, ever. I’ll try your suggestion to add column indicating location of the message copies. Thanks, Dave > On Dec 16, 2018, at 8:21 PM, David Green wrote: > >> On 16 Dec 2018, at 20:47, Dave C wrote: >> >> I’ve got plenty of smart mailboxes with rules. The incoming messages are >> sorted to mailboxes as i want them to be. >> >> My problem—since I first started using MailMate—is with the Sent Messages. >> In all the smart mailboxes, whenever I reply to a message, 2 copies of the >> reply appear in the appropriate mailbox. I’ve fiddled with the rules in each >> but can’t find the cause of these duplicates. >> >> Any ideas will be happily received. > > Can you add a column showing the Mailbox where the found message copies are > located? > > Are you BCC’ing yourself on sent messages? > > Dave > ___ > mailmate mailing list > mailmate@lists.freron.com > https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Rules and sent messages
On 16 Dec 2018, at 20:47, Dave C wrote: I’ve got plenty of smart mailboxes with rules. The incoming messages are sorted to mailboxes as i want them to be. My problem—since I first started using MailMate—is with the Sent Messages. In all the smart mailboxes, whenever I reply to a message, 2 copies of the reply appear in the appropriate mailbox. I’ve fiddled with the rules in each but can’t find the cause of these duplicates. Any ideas will be happily received. Can you add a column showing the Mailbox where the found message copies are located? Are you BCC’ing yourself on sent messages? Dave ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
[MlMt] Rules and sent messages
I’ve got plenty of smart mailboxes with rules. The incoming messages are sorted to mailboxes as i want them to be. My problem—since I first started using MailMate—is with the Sent Messages. In all the smart mailboxes, whenever I reply to a message, 2 copies of the reply appear in the appropriate mailbox. I’ve fiddled with the rules in each but can’t find the cause of these duplicates. Any ideas will be happily received. Thanks, Dave ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Rules in smart mailboxes
Awesome response!!! Thanks a lot!! -- Arnau > On 14 Jun 2018, at 06:41, Bill Cole > wrote: > >> On 13 Jun 2018, at 17:27 (-0400), Arnau Rebassa wrote: >> >> Hi all, >> >> I have a doubt with rules in smart mailboxes. According to the >> documentation, rules: >> >> “Rules are only triggered when a message is added to a mailbox which most >> often happens when a new message arrives in an account.” >> >> What I understand what an smart mailbox is: they are like a “query result” >> that are executed periodically. > > Yes and no. Obviously a query is not being run continuously, but it isn't > scheduled "periodically" either. It is triggered by the addition of messages > to or changes to existing messages in any of the subject mailboxes. > >> If I’m right, when are the rules executed? > > When a new message is added to a mailbox, the mailbox rules are evaluated > against the new message. > >> Every time you open the smart mailbox? or when the message arrives to the >> standard mailbox “inbox”? > > Neither. > When a new message is seen by MM in any IMAP mailbox (not just INBOX,) MM > runs the rules associated with the IMAP mailbox against them (possibly > resulting in the moving of the message to another IMAP mailbox) and then the > conditions of the Smart Mailboxes which refer to the changed IMAP mailbox are > evaluated to determine the contents of each Smart Mailbox. If that evaluation > results in a new message in a Smart Mailbox, its rules are run against the > new message and then the conditions of any Smart Mailboxes which refer to it > are evaluated to detect any new messages they should include, their rules are > run, and so on recursively. > > > > -- > Bill Cole > b...@scconsult.com or billc...@apache.org > (AKA @grumpybozo and many *@billmail.scconsult.com addresses) > Currently Seeking Steadier Work: https://linkedin.com/in/billcole > ___ > mailmate mailing list > mailmate@lists.freron.com > https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Rules in smart mailboxes
On 13 Jun 2018, at 17:27 (-0400), Arnau Rebassa wrote: Hi all, I have a doubt with rules in smart mailboxes. According to the documentation, rules: “Rules are only triggered when a message is added to a mailbox which most often happens when a new message arrives in an account.” What I understand what an smart mailbox is: they are like a “query result” that are executed periodically. Yes and no. Obviously a query is not being run continuously, but it isn't scheduled "periodically" either. It is triggered by the addition of messages to or changes to existing messages in any of the subject mailboxes. If I’m right, when are the rules executed? When a new message is added to a mailbox, the mailbox rules are evaluated against the new message. Every time you open the smart mailbox? or when the message arrives to the standard mailbox “inbox”? Neither. When a new message is seen by MM in any IMAP mailbox (not just INBOX,) MM runs the rules associated with the IMAP mailbox against them (possibly resulting in the moving of the message to another IMAP mailbox) and then the conditions of the Smart Mailboxes which refer to the changed IMAP mailbox are evaluated to determine the contents of each Smart Mailbox. If that evaluation results in a new message in a Smart Mailbox, its rules are run against the new message and then the conditions of any Smart Mailboxes which refer to it are evaluated to detect any new messages they should include, their rules are run, and so on recursively. -- Bill Cole b...@scconsult.com or billc...@apache.org (AKA @grumpybozo and many *@billmail.scconsult.com addresses) Currently Seeking Steadier Work: https://linkedin.com/in/billcole ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
[MlMt] Rules in smart mailboxes
Hi all, I have a doubt with rules in smart mailboxes. According to the documentation, rules: “Rules are only triggered when a message is added to a mailbox which most often happens when a new message arrives in an account.” What I understand what an smart mailbox is: they are like a “query result” that are executed periodically. If I’m right, when are the rules executed? Every time you open the smart mailbox? or when the message arrives to the standard mailbox “inbox”? Cheers! -- Arnau ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Rules: "is in" smart mailbox and Gmail Labels
Thanks! The hint about circular reference did it. I actually considered this after writing the original email, and thought the existing loop was benign, but I see why a very strict constraint would be appropriate. Thanks, all fixed now. On 18 May 2018, at 5:25, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote: On 15 May 2018, at 17:04, Zvi Biener wrote: I'm having trouble setting rules, under the following conditions: 1. I use Gmail labels by hiding the associated gmail "mailboxes" from MailMate (through the "Edit Subscriptions"). I then use Smart Mailboxes that pick out messages with the appropriate labels. So, if I use Label "Marketing", I hide the Marketing mailbox from MM, and define a smart mailboxes that picks out all messages with the tag "Marketing" from All Messages. I do this so I don't have duplicate messages, and because I use the same tags/keywords across multiple accounts. I think you should read [this](https://manual.mailmate-app.com/account_setup#gmail) since MailMate already has built-in support to make tags work as you would expect them to with a Gmail account. This includes hiding the label mailbox. 2. I'd like to define a rule that matches the from address of incoming mail against from addresses that are already in the "Marketing" smart mailbox. Like: "From -> Address" "is in" "Marketing" (the smart mailbox) "From->Address". However, in this context mailboxes that are defined as in 1 are greyed out. Other smart mailboxes are OK, but any smart mailbox that picks out a gmail label is greyed out. Any ideas on how to get around this? I think they would only be greyed out if there was some kind of cyclic reference, but maybe there's a bug somewhere related to this. You can send me the following file and I *think* I should be able to reproduce the issue: ~/Library/Application Support/MailMate/Mailboxes.plist -- Benny https://freron.com/become_a_mailmate_patron/ ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Rules: "is in" smart mailbox and Gmail Labels
On 15 May 2018, at 17:04, Zvi Biener wrote: I'm having trouble setting rules, under the following conditions: 1. I use Gmail labels by hiding the associated gmail "mailboxes" from MailMate (through the "Edit Subscriptions"). I then use Smart Mailboxes that pick out messages with the appropriate labels. So, if I use Label "Marketing", I hide the Marketing mailbox from MM, and define a smart mailboxes that picks out all messages with the tag "Marketing" from All Messages. I do this so I don't have duplicate messages, and because I use the same tags/keywords across multiple accounts. I think you should read [this](https://manual.mailmate-app.com/account_setup#gmail) since MailMate already has built-in support to make tags work as you would expect them to with a Gmail account. This includes hiding the label mailbox. 2. I'd like to define a rule that matches the from address of incoming mail against from addresses that are already in the "Marketing" smart mailbox. Like: "From -> Address" "is in" "Marketing" (the smart mailbox) "From->Address". However, in this context mailboxes that are defined as in 1 are greyed out. Other smart mailboxes are OK, but any smart mailbox that picks out a gmail label is greyed out. Any ideas on how to get around this? I think they would only be greyed out if there was some kind of cyclic reference, but maybe there's a bug somewhere related to this. You can send me the following file and I *think* I should be able to reproduce the issue: ~/Library/Application Support/MailMate/Mailboxes.plist -- Benny https://freron.com/become_a_mailmate_patron/ ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Rules: "is in" smart mailbox and Gmail Labels
On 15 May 2018, at 8:04, Zvi Biener wrote: Hi Folks, There has been lots of discussion of rules lately, so I apologize if this was already addressed: I'm having trouble setting rules, under the following conditions: 1. I use Gmail labels by hiding the associated gmail "mailboxes" from MailMate (through the "Edit Subscriptions"). I then use Smart Mailboxes that pick out messages with the appropriate labels. So, if I use Label "Marketing", I hide the Marketing mailbox from MM, and define a smart mailboxes that picks out all messages with the tag "Marketing" from All Messages. I do this so I don't have duplicate messages, and because I use the same tags/keywords across multiple accounts. 2. I'd like to define a rule that matches the from address of incoming mail against from addresses that are already in the "Marketing" smart mailbox. Like: "From -> Address" "is in" "Marketing" (the smart mailbox) "From->Address". However, in this context mailboxes that are defined as in 1 are greyed out. Other smart mailboxes are OK, but any smart mailbox that picks out a gmail label is greyed out. Any ideas on how to get around this? I’m not able to reproduce this on my system (OS 10.13.4, MM revision 5479). If I create a smart mailbox that contains messages tagged with a tag that has a gmail equivalent label, I can create a second smart mailbox that matches its from addresses with no issue. Galen ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
[MlMt] Rules: "is in" smart mailbox and Gmail Labels
Hi Folks, There has been lots of discussion of rules lately, so I apologize if this was already addressed: I'm having trouble setting rules, under the following conditions: 1. I use Gmail labels by hiding the associated gmail "mailboxes" from MailMate (through the "Edit Subscriptions"). I then use Smart Mailboxes that pick out messages with the appropriate labels. So, if I use Label "Marketing", I hide the Marketing mailbox from MM, and define a smart mailboxes that picks out all messages with the tag "Marketing" from All Messages. I do this so I don't have duplicate messages, and because I use the same tags/keywords across multiple accounts. 2. I'd like to define a rule that matches the from address of incoming mail against from addresses that are already in the "Marketing" smart mailbox. Like: "From -> Address" "is in" "Marketing" (the smart mailbox) "From->Address". However, in this context mailboxes that are defined as in 1 are greyed out. Other smart mailboxes are OK, but any smart mailbox that picks out a gmail label is greyed out. Any ideas on how to get around this? Thanks, Zvi ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Rules
On 18 Jan 2018, at 20:20 (-0500), Randall Gellens wrote:
Is there a more detailed manual somewhere? I can't figure out
seemingly basic stuff.
The bundled help file (Help->MailMate Help) is reasonably good, and is
pretty much identical to https://manual.mailmate-app.com/
Right now I'm trying to configure rules and I see Conditions,
Submailboxes, and Rules.
Yes, and it is important to understand that the window you're looking at
is either defining a "smart mailbox" (i.e. a dynamic collection of
messages grouped together logically by MM) or is adding client-side
behaviors to an IMAP ("source") mailbox. A smart mailbox editor window
diffes in that it has a "Mailboxes" pane that tells MM which other
mailboxes (both smart and source) define the universe of messages it
examines.
Frankly, I don't get why adding "Conditions" to a source mailbox is a
thing one can do, as the only effect it seems to have is to hide
messages from view in MM's display of the mailbox which are in the
actual IMAP mailbox on the server.
I'm guessing Submailboxes lets you create default rules for either
moving mail or virtual mailboxes, but I haven't tried it.
No. Submailboxes lets you split a smart or source mailbox into virtual
smart mailboxes based on a single simple criteria. For example, I use a
system for creating ad hoc limited-purpose email addresses based on
patterns that my mail server recognizes as aliases for my "real" email
address (which I don't actually use...) Some mail for these get sorted
during local delivery on the server into specific IMAP folders (e.g. for
specific mailing lists) but those that make it through the sieve on the
server are just dumped into a slushpile 'Tagged' mailbox because they
match one of the ad hoc patterns. That mailbox is configured to have
submailboxes for each unique value of the address part of the To header.
However, what is the difference between the Conditions section and the
conditions created in the Rules section?
The Conditions pane controls which messages MM deems to be in the
mailbox. For Source (i.e. IMAP) mailboxes this selects the subset you
see of the messages which are actually in the mailbox. For Smart
mailboxes, this is a subset of the messages in the mailbox set defined
in the Mailboxes pane.
The Conditions section of a Rule determines which new (to the mailbox)
messages the Rule acts upon.
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Re: [MlMt] Rules on account vs Inbox
On 22 Jan 2018, at 15:47, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote: > The only way is to edit this file when MailMate is not running: > > /Applications/MailMate.app/Contents/MacOS/MailMate Nonsense, that should have been: ~/Library/Application Support/MailMate/Mailboxes.plist Sorry about that. -- Benny ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Rules on account vs Inbox
On 22 Jan 2018, at 1:37, Randall Gellens wrote: What is the difference between rules on an account and rules on the account's Inbox? The latter is only applied to new emails in the Inbox. You would almost never want to add rules to the account since these are triggered whenever something is moved into any mailbox within the account. I created a bunch of rules on each of multiple accounts, and just realized this means I can't manually execute them, since the UI to do so only seems to run Inbox rules. Do the rules still execute when mail arrives, or are they useless? They are also applied when mail arrives in the mailbox. And when moving something to Sent Messages, etc. You don't want this. The “Apply Rules” menu item should always be able to apply the rules of the currently selected mailbox to the selected messages or the entire mailbox. Is there a way to move rules from an account to a mailbox of the account (or from one mailbox to another)? Drag'n'drop (or copy/paste) is unfortunately not yet supported. The only way is to edit this file when MailMate is not running: /Applications/MailMate.app/Contents/MacOS/MailMate -- Benny ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Rules
On 20 Jan 2018, at 2:36, John Cooper wrote: I don't know what setting a condition would do if it were applied to a standard IMAP folder. It would then hide any emails not matching that condition. They would still appear in, e.g., “All Messages”. Do you need to duplicate the rules for each account or each Inbox? Assuming that you want to apply rules to all mail as it arrives and before it's sorted, you can apply the rules to the main Inbox mailbox that aggregates all your accounts. Or create a smart mailbox which only matches the emails which you want to be the input for your rules. Then add the rules to this smart mailbox. -- Benny ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Rules
On 19 Jan 2018, at 4:04, Randall Gellens wrote: At 5:20 PM -0800 1/18/18, Randall Gellens wrote: Is there a more detailed manual somewhere? I can't figure out seemingly basic stuff. Right now I'm trying to configure rules and I see Conditions, Submailboxes, and Rules. I'm guessing Submailboxes lets you create default rules for either moving mail or virtual mailboxes, but I haven't tried it. However, what is the difference between the Conditions section and the conditions created in the Rules section? Also, what are the various specifiers for rule conditions (e.g., 'Received' has six, one of which has two sub ones)? I've been picking "No Specifier" but would like to what what they are. One way to play with the specifiers is to use the Statistics layout (see the “View ▸ Layout” menu). In general, specifiers are just shortcuts to substrings of headers. In general, it is more efficient to use a specifier and the “is” comparison method than it is to *not* use a specifier and the “contains” comparison method. -- Benny ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Rules files
On 20 Jan 2018, at 2:04, Randall Gellens wrote: I thought I read somewhere that the rules can be edited offline, but I can’t find it now. I wanted to try and use BBEdit text transforms to convert Eudora rules to MailMate rules. If MailMate is not running then you can edit this file: ~/Library/Application Support/MailMate/Mailboxes.plist Make a copy first although I think MailMate also makes a backup if it fails to parse the file. -- Benny ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Rules
Randall Gellens 2018-01-21 21:44 wrote: Are you saying that you have criteria in the Conditions section to select messages and then in the Rules section there are no criteria, just actions Yes, exactly. But I use only a handful of rules in total with MailMate. The smart mailboxes has replaced almost all rules I used in other mail clients. I have the "Sources" section collapsed and rarely have any reason to look there. Fredrik ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
[MlMt] Rules on account vs Inbox
What is the difference between rules on an account and rules on the account's Inbox? I created a bunch of rules on each of multiple accounts, and just realized this means I can't manually execute them, since the UI to do so only seems to run Inbox rules. Do the rules still execute when mail arrives, or are they useless? Is there a way to move rules from an account to a mailbox of the account (or from one mailbox to another)? -- Randall Gellens -- Randomly-selected tag: --- Subvert the Dominant Paradigm ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Rules
At 9:50 AM +0100 1/21/18, Fredrik Jonsson wrote: Randall Gellens 2018-01-19 2:20 wrote: However, what is the difference between the Conditions section and the conditions created in the Rules section? My recommendation in mot cases is to set up a smart mailbox that selects all the mails you are interested in and then in step two add rules to that smart mailbox. This way it's easy to make sure the rule acts only on the mail you intend. I do not think I have a single instant where I use the conditions in the rules section, but still nice to know it's an option when needed. Are you saying that you have criteria in the Conditions section to select messages and then in the Rules section there are no criteria, just actions, or are you saying that you only have criteria that define the smart mailbox, and then the rules for that smart mailbox have no criteria (nothing in the Conditions section and no criteria in the Rules section)? -- Randall Gellens -- Randomly-selected tag: --- History is strewn thick with evidence that truth is not hard to kill, but a lie, well told, is immortal. --Mark Twain ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Rules
Randall Gellens 2018-01-19 2:20 wrote: However, what is the difference between the Conditions section and the conditions created in the Rules section? My recommendation in mot cases is to set up a smart mailbox that selects all the mails you are interested in and then in step two add rules to that smart mailbox. This way it's easy to make sure the rule acts only on the mail you intend. I do not think I have a single instant where I use the conditions in the rules section, but still nice to know it's an option when needed. I almost exclusively use smart mailboxes for sorting and have taken to dump everything in to "Archive" since I moved to MailMate. Fredrik ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Rules
Randall Gellens wrote (at 16:34 on 19 Jan 2018): On 19 Jan 2018, at 6:05, John Cooper wrote: The Conditions section affects what you see in the mailbox. For example, I have a smart mailbox that includes every message that has "MailMate Users" or "freron.com" somewhere in the To: field AND is not in the Trash. When I click on it, I see all the messages to and from this list or from Benny in one place. Does it have the same effect on a physical mailbox as on a virtual/smart one? No, MailMate only works on email. :) I don't know what setting a condition would do if it were applied to a standard IMAP folder. How do you select messages that are not deleted? I'm not sure I understand the question. If you mean how do I set the smart mailbox that I described not to include messages in the Trash, the condition I have set includes `Source > Path does not contain Trash`. Do you need to duplicate the rules for each account or each Inbox? Assuming that you want to apply rules to all mail as it arrives and before it's sorted, you can apply the rules to the main Inbox mailbox that aggregates all your accounts. ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
[MlMt] Rules files
I thought I read somewhere that the rules can be edited offline, but I can’t find it now. I wanted to try and use BBEdit text transforms to convert Eudora rules to MailMate rules. ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Rules
On 19 Jan 2018, at 6:05, John Cooper wrote: Randall Gellens wrote (at 17:20 on 18 Jan 2018): However, what is the difference between the Conditions section and the conditions created in the Rules section? The Conditions section affects what you see in the mailbox. For example, I have a smart mailbox that includes every message that has "MailMate Users" or "freron.com" somewhere in the To: field AND is not in the Trash. When I click on it, I see all the messages to and from this list or from Benny in one place. Does it have the same effect on a physical mailbox as on a virtual/smart one? How do you select messages that are not deleted? The Rules section affects what happens to messages when they arrive in the mailbox. The conditions there specify which messages these actions should apply to. Rules (not Submailboxes) is where you control messages being moved to other IMAP folders. Do you need to duplicate the rules for each account or each Inbox? I'm guessing Submailboxes lets you create default rules for either moving mail or virtual mailboxes, but I haven't tried it. Submailboxes are like filters that show you only the messages in a mailbox that meet the criteria. For example, the main Inbox folder may have a submailbox for each account that you have, so that you can click on a submailbox to see only the messages that are in the Inbox for each account. The Mailings Lists smart folder has a submailbox for each mailing list that you subscribe to. Also, what are the various specifiers for rule conditions (e.g., 'Received' has six, one of which has two sub ones)? I've been picking "No Specifier" but would like to what what they are. I'm having trouble finding "Received," but in general, the various specifiers are all the possible parts of an email message that are specified by the official design documents (RFCs) for the email standard. They are not well documented and that's something I've asked about too. ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Rules
Thank you. On 19 Jan 2018, at 0:41, askedre...@gmail.com wrote: I have 3 accounts and I only really setup rules on the INBOX of each account. That is my organization around rules; I have "work email" rules and "personal email" rules. I don't set Conditions or Submailboxes. I suppose you create rules at some global level and then use the Conditions to say where to apply the rules... I only create Rules, which are applied to every new email in that inbox, when the email arrives (that is the default behavior of how rules work). Here are my rules for my personal account, to organize my email into folders: https://files.asktherelic.com/20180119-0933-d8dzq.png And the rule for this mailing list looks like: https://files.asktherelic.com/20180119-0935-2zzqp.png When you are testing rules, you can go to the menu Mailbox > Apply Rules of "INBOX" and force the rules to run again. I do this when my rules don't seem to be trigger. Cheers On 19 Jan 2018, at 4:04, Randall Gellens wrote: At 5:20 PM -0800 1/18/18, Randall Gellens wrote: Is there a more detailed manual somewhere? I can't figure out seemingly basic stuff. Right now I'm trying to configure rules and I see Conditions, Submailboxes, and Rules. I'm guessing Submailboxes lets you create default rules for either moving mail or virtual mailboxes, but I haven't tried it. However, what is the difference between the Conditions section and the conditions created in the Rules section? Also, what are the various specifiers for rule conditions (e.g., 'Received' has six, one of which has two sub ones)? I've been picking "No Specifier" but would like to what what they are. -- Randall Gellens -- Randomly-selected tag: --- You can make it foolproof, but you can't make it damnfoolproof. ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Rules
Randall Gellens wrote (at 17:20 on 18 Jan 2018): However, what is the difference between the Conditions section and the conditions created in the Rules section? The Conditions section affects what you see in the mailbox. For example, I have a smart mailbox that includes every message that has "MailMate Users" or "freron.com" somewhere in the To: field AND is not in the Trash. When I click on it, I see all the messages to and from this list or from Benny in one place. The Rules section affects what happens to messages when they arrive in the mailbox. The conditions there specify which messages these actions should apply to. Rules (not Submailboxes) is where you control messages being moved to other IMAP folders. I'm guessing Submailboxes lets you create default rules for either moving mail or virtual mailboxes, but I haven't tried it. Submailboxes are like filters that show you only the messages in a mailbox that meet the criteria. For example, the main Inbox folder may have a submailbox for each account that you have, so that you can click on a submailbox to see only the messages that are in the Inbox for each account. The Mailings Lists smart folder has a submailbox for each mailing list that you subscribe to. Also, what are the various specifiers for rule conditions (e.g., 'Received' has six, one of which has two sub ones)? I've been picking "No Specifier" but would like to what what they are. I'm having trouble finding "Received," but in general, the various specifiers are all the possible parts of an email message that are specified by the official design documents (RFCs) for the email standard. They are not well documented and that's something I've asked about too. ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Rules
I have 3 accounts and I only really setup rules on the INBOX of each account. That is my organization around rules; I have "work email" rules and "personal email" rules. I don't set Conditions or Submailboxes. I suppose you create rules at some global level and then use the Conditions to say where to apply the rules... I only create Rules, which are applied to every new email in that inbox, when the email arrives (that is the default behavior of how rules work). Here are my rules for my personal account, to organize my email into folders: https://files.asktherelic.com/20180119-0933-d8dzq.png And the rule for this mailing list looks like: https://files.asktherelic.com/20180119-0935-2zzqp.png When you are testing rules, you can go to the menu Mailbox > Apply Rules of "INBOX" and force the rules to run again. I do this when my rules don't seem to be trigger. Cheers On 19 Jan 2018, at 4:04, Randall Gellens wrote: At 5:20 PM -0800 1/18/18, Randall Gellens wrote: Is there a more detailed manual somewhere? I can't figure out seemingly basic stuff. Right now I'm trying to configure rules and I see Conditions, Submailboxes, and Rules. I'm guessing Submailboxes lets you create default rules for either moving mail or virtual mailboxes, but I haven't tried it. However, what is the difference between the Conditions section and the conditions created in the Rules section? Also, what are the various specifiers for rule conditions (e.g., 'Received' has six, one of which has two sub ones)? I've been picking "No Specifier" but would like to what what they are. -- Randall Gellens -- Randomly-selected tag: --- You can make it foolproof, but you can't make it damnfoolproof. ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Rules
At 5:20 PM -0800 1/18/18, Randall Gellens wrote: Is there a more detailed manual somewhere? I can't figure out seemingly basic stuff. Right now I'm trying to configure rules and I see Conditions, Submailboxes, and Rules. I'm guessing Submailboxes lets you create default rules for either moving mail or virtual mailboxes, but I haven't tried it. However, what is the difference between the Conditions section and the conditions created in the Rules section? Also, what are the various specifiers for rule conditions (e.g., 'Received' has six, one of which has two sub ones)? I've been picking "No Specifier" but would like to what what they are. -- Randall Gellens -- Randomly-selected tag: --- You can make it foolproof, but you can't make it damnfoolproof. ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
[MlMt] Rules
Is there a more detailed manual somewhere? I can't figure out seemingly basic stuff. Right now I'm trying to configure rules and I see Conditions, Submailboxes, and Rules. I'm guessing Submailboxes lets you create default rules for either moving mail or virtual mailboxes, but I haven't tried it. However, what is the difference between the Conditions section and the conditions created in the Rules section? -- Randall Gellens -- Randomly-selected tag: --- Paranoids are the only ones who notice things anymore. --Anatole Broyard ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Rules on Inbox - Generic
On 7 Nov 2017, at 15:37, Marc ARC wrote: A gentle nag about a feature we discussed below. It's still a somewhat confusing feature (to me). I had to read the thread again to get back on track :-) I think GUI-wise the "new-move" version could look like this [From] [is in] [Mailbox/SmartMailbox] [From] [Generic Move to first matched Source Mailbox of] [Mailbox/SmartMailbox] or [Dynamic Move to first matched Source of] [Mailbox/SmartMailbox] or [Fuzzy Move to Source of] [Mailbox/SmartMailbox] I think this illustrates that it's hard to make such a feature intuitive. A better (and cleaner) approach would be to make the action independent of the conditions. The action could then be something like: Move to Related Mailbox based on [Header] in [Mailbox] When [Header] means the actual functionality we have for filtering on “header contained info” then this will be a great feature. It would only allow exact matches on any header specifier, e.g., “From ▸ Address”, but I also think that would be good enough. Otherwise, I would need some use case examples. Maybe I should rewrite it a bit: Move Using [Header] in [Smart Mailbox] This emphasizes that the header is the important part and that it primarily/only makes sense to have a smart mailbox on the right hand side such that more than 1 IMAP mailbox can be involved. The “Mailbox” could be any smart or IMAP mailbox/account. It would trigger MailMate to look for the first message in Mailbox with the same header value. When found, the new message would be moved to the same IMAP mailbox as the found message. It would be like an IMAP mailbox variant of the Submailboxes feature for smart mailboxes. This would allow a worst case near-linear running time if a large number of messages are “moved” (linear in terms of the size of the mailbox used in the action). Note that in this case there would be no need for a condition for the rule except for maybe limiting the messages triggering the action. A somewhat related feature would allow simply creating IMAP mailboxes based on a header value: Move to Submailbox of [IMAP Mailbox/Account] based on [Header] This would be a nice to have, and I already see some use for it. From a “what I like to have first” point-of-view this is last on my list. Ok. Let's focus on the above. -- Benny ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Rules on Inbox - Generic
Benny, A gentle nag about a feature we discussed below. Marc On 19 Feb 2016, at 18:18, Marc ARC wrote: On 16 Feb 2016, at 11:15, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote: On 12 Feb 2016, at 17:59, Marc DR wrote: example: [From] [is in] [Info ▸ Marketing_Confirmed] [From] [Move to Mailbox] [Info ▸ Marketing_Auto] Please do note that I do not move to the Mailbox_Source because this allows me to see what has been add recently. I think I could achieve an identical result by tagging the "fresh" mails before moving and untagging them after verification ( or vice versa ), which is "easier" for you to implement. :-)) I think that would also be a nicer way to handle that. I think GUI-wise the "new-move" version could look like this [From] [is in] [Mailbox/SmartMailbox] [From] [Generic Move to first matched Source Mailbox of] [Mailbox/SmartMailbox] or [Dynamic Move to first matched Source of] [Mailbox/SmartMailbox] or [Fuzzy Move to Source of] [Mailbox/SmartMailbox] Just some ideas and have a nice WE, I think this illustrates that it's hard to make such a feature intuitive. A better (and cleaner) approach would be to make the action independent of the conditions. The action could then be something like: Move to Related Mailbox based on [Header] in [Mailbox] Benny, When [Header] means the actual functionality we have for filtering on “header contained info” then this will be a great feature. The “Mailbox” could be any smart or IMAP mailbox/account. It would trigger MailMate to look for the first message in Mailbox with the same header value. When found, the new message would be moved to the same IMAP mailbox as the found message. It would be like an IMAP mailbox variant of the Submailboxes feature for smart mailboxes. This would allow a worst case near-linear running time if a large number of messages are “moved” (linear in terms of the size of the mailbox used in the action). Note that in this case there would be no need for a condition for the rule except for maybe limiting the messages triggering the action. A somewhat related feature would allow simply creating IMAP mailboxes based on a header value: Move to Submailbox of [IMAP Mailbox/Account] based on [Header] This would be a nice to have, and I already see some use for it. From a “what I like to have first” point-of-view this is last on my list. Thanks Marc ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Rules and when are they applied
Thanks for the feedback Benny. I went back and did a more thorough search of the archives and based on some prior advice, I created a smart mailbox just for this purpose. Now it’s working wonderfully :) On 18 Apr 2017, at 9:51, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote: On 17 Apr 2017, at 23:26, Pedro Lobo wrote: From my testing, this isn't working. If I add the rule to the global inbox and trigger apply rules, nothing happens, but if I select the email (or even all emails in inbox) and press apply rules, it works. Manually applying the rules of the currently selected mailbox requires selecting the emails. This is expected behavior. (Ideally, there should be other variants of the Apply-menu item, but that's not implemented yet.) 1. Where is the ideal place to add a rule like this? global Inbox or each account's inbox You might want to add rules to the “smallest” mailbox that you know includes the messages, but the global Inbox also works. You might not want to add rules to a lot of different mailboxes if you can avoid it since there is currently no easy way to see which mailboxes have rules (other than searching directly in the `Mailboxes.plist` files). 2. Is it necessary that the message be selected for rules to be applied to it Only when doing it manually. 3. If not, how often are rules run Rules are applied when a message is “added” to a mailbox. In particular, when a message arrives in your Inbox. If a message is then moved to another mailbox then the rules of this mailbox are applied. If you think something is not working as intended then write me off list and we'll debug. -- Benny ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate Cheers, Pedro Lobo ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Rules and when are they applied
On 17 Apr 2017, at 23:26, Pedro Lobo wrote: From my testing, this isn't working. If I add the rule to the global inbox and trigger apply rules, nothing happens, but if I select the email (or even all emails in inbox) and press apply rules, it works. Manually applying the rules of the currently selected mailbox requires selecting the emails. This is expected behavior. (Ideally, there should be other variants of the Apply-menu item, but that's not implemented yet.) 1. Where is the ideal place to add a rule like this? global Inbox or each account's inbox You might want to add rules to the “smallest” mailbox that you know includes the messages, but the global Inbox also works. You might not want to add rules to a lot of different mailboxes if you can avoid it since there is currently no easy way to see which mailboxes have rules (other than searching directly in the `Mailboxes.plist` files). 2. Is it necessary that the message be selected for rules to be applied to it Only when doing it manually. 3. If not, how often are rules run Rules are applied when a message is “added” to a mailbox. In particular, when a message arrives in your Inbox. If a message is then moved to another mailbox then the rules of this mailbox are applied. If you think something is not working as intended then write me off list and we'll debug. -- Benny ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
[MlMt] Rules and when are they applied
Hey all, I'm in need of assistance. I never really had much need for rules so never explored them further. Today however, I found a wonderful use case for me and I want to use rules to do it, but for some odd reason it's not working as I expect. **Use Case:** Flag an email on mobile/web and have an always on mac with MM running. When MM sees a newly flagged email, it runs a bundle command to add the mail to a task list. From my testing, this isn't working. If I add the rule to the global inbox and trigger apply rules, nothing happens, but if I select the email (or even all emails in inbox) and press apply rules, it works. **Questions** 1. Where is the ideal place to add a rule like this? global Inbox or each account's inbox 2. Is it necessary that the message be selected for rules to be applied to it 3. If not, how often are rules run Thanks, Pedro___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
[MlMt] Rules with variables in them?
Hi,
I have one mailbox where I have the name of subfolders in the form of
"${#date.month}".
Can I also use that expression in one way or another in the rules?
For example: "Move to folder /x/${#date.year}/${#date.month}"
And of course have that folder be created if it does not exist?
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Re: [MlMt] Rules Conditions - Domain
Gentlemen, I think I could have been clearer. Let’s focus on define “submailbox for each unique value of” From > Domain with this setting I get the following submailboxes: mx1.domainname.com mx3.domainname.com mail.domainname.com domainname.com domainname.org domainname.be I’m looking for a way to have only the following: domainname.com ( contains also the mx1.domainname.com, mx3.domainname.com, mail.domainname.com & domainname.com ) domainname.org domainname.be All other options I tried haven’t given me the required result So I don’t care which “subdomain” the mails come from but still need to differentiate between the .com .be .se .fr .org .etc. . . . I hope this makes it a little clearer Thanks in advance, Marc On 21 Feb 2016, at 12:36, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote: On 20 Feb 2016, at 23:09, Marc ARC wrote: I’m confronted with the following problem: I want to filter all mail originating from domainname.com and all of it’s possible subdomains xyzxyz.domainname.com In the mails I’m receiving I have the following occurrences: mx1.domainname.com mx3.domainname.com mail.domainname.com domainname.com domainname.org domainname.be I don’t manage to define a filter that handles all the mails from the top-level domain domainname.com and it’s subdomains. I also tried to define “submailbox for each unique value of” , but here I’m confronted with the same “issue”. I'm not sure exactly what you are trying to do, but you should probably start with defining a smart mailbox to match the desired emails. This is easier to debug (compared to rules). -- Benny ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Rules Conditions - Domain
On 20 Feb 2016, at 23:09, Marc ARC wrote: I’m confronted with the following problem: I want to filter all mail originating from domainname.com and all of it’s possible subdomains xyzxyz.domainname.com In the mails I’m receiving I have the following occurrences: mx1.domainname.com mx3.domainname.com mail.domainname.com domainname.com domainname.org domainname.be I don’t manage to define a filter that handles all the mails from the top-level domain domainname.com and it’s subdomains. I also tried to define “submailbox for each unique value of” , but here I’m confronted with the same “issue”. I'm not sure exactly what you are trying to do, but you should probably start with defining a smart mailbox to match the desired emails. This is easier to debug (compared to rules). -- Benny ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Rules Conditions - Domain
I may not be understanding your dilemma correctly, but if you create a smart folder with Mailbox set to All Messages and a condition with From (no specifier) Contains domainname. That is "domainname." It will select all the subdomain prefixes as well as all the various HLQ's .com, .org, .tv, etc. __*Richard Rettke*__ *Laus Deo* *Non sibi sed patriae* https://about.me/rerettke On 20 Feb 2016, at 16:09, Marc ARC MailMate-at-arcict.com |MailMate Freron Software/RER>Vendor>Software| wrote: I don’t manage to define a filter that handles all the mails from the top-level domain domainname.com and it’s subdomains. ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
[MlMt] Rules Conditions - Domain
I’m confronted with the following problem: I want to filter all mail originating from domainname.com and all of it’s possible subdomains xyzxyz.domainname.com In the mails I’m receiving I have the following occurrences: mx1.domainname.com mx3.domainname.com mail.domainname.com domainname.com domainname.org domainname.be I don’t manage to define a filter that handles all the mails from the top-level domain domainname.com and it’s subdomains. I also tried to define “submailbox for each unique value of” , but here I’m confronted with the same “issue”. Thanks in advance for any guidance, Marc ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Rules on Inbox - Generic
On 16 Feb 2016, at 11:15, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote: On 12 Feb 2016, at 17:59, Marc DR wrote: example: [From] [is in] [Info ▸ Marketing_Confirmed] [From] [Move to Mailbox] [Info ▸ Marketing_Auto] Please do note that I do not move to the Mailbox_Source because this allows me to see what has been add recently. I think I could achieve an identical result by tagging the "fresh" mails before moving and untagging them after verification ( or vice versa ), which is "easier" for you to implement. :-)) I think that would also be a nicer way to handle that. I think GUI-wise the "new-move" version could look like this [From] [is in] [Mailbox/SmartMailbox] [From] [Generic Move to first matched Source Mailbox of] [Mailbox/SmartMailbox] or [Dynamic Move to first matched Source of] [Mailbox/SmartMailbox] or [Fuzzy Move to Source of] [Mailbox/SmartMailbox] Just some ideas and have a nice WE, I think this illustrates that it's hard to make such a feature intuitive. A better (and cleaner) approach would be to make the action independent of the conditions. The action could then be something like: Move to Related Mailbox based on [Header] in [Mailbox] Benny, When [Header] means the actual functionality we have for filtering on “header contained info” then this will be a great feature. The “Mailbox” could be any smart or IMAP mailbox/account. It would trigger MailMate to look for the first message in Mailbox with the same header value. When found, the new message would be moved to the same IMAP mailbox as the found message. It would be like an IMAP mailbox variant of the Submailboxes feature for smart mailboxes. This would allow a worst case near-linear running time if a large number of messages are “moved” (linear in terms of the size of the mailbox used in the action). Note that in this case there would be no need for a condition for the rule except for maybe limiting the messages triggering the action. A somewhat related feature would allow simply creating IMAP mailboxes based on a header value: Move to Submailbox of [IMAP Mailbox/Account] based on [Header] This would be a nice to have, and I already see some use for it. From a “what I like to have first” point-of-view this is last on my list. Thanks Marc ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com http://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Rules and HTML parts
On 18 Feb 2016, at 14:49, Eric A. Meyer wrote: Is there a good introductory tutorial to creating and using rules? I'm afraid not. I have some idea of how they work, but it'd be nice to learn from someone with experience. That said, is there a way to have a rule set the display part that should be preferred for a given message? I “Prefer plain text” in my preferences because it works better for me in 98% of cases, but there are a few addresses that always send mangled (or utterly useless) plain-text parts, so I always have to flip to the HTML part to make any sense of what they're sending. I'd love to have a rule Just Do That™ for me before I even open the messages. Hmm, this is not currently possible. The preference (when switching manually) is actually saved in a virtual header which means that **if** there was a rule action to set virtual headers (or just this one header) then it would be possible to do something like the above. Combined with a smart mailbox matching such messages and the use of the “is in” comparison method then you might not even need to create more than 1 rule. So, all I can offer you is to keep in mind that it would be useful to be able to set this virtual header using a rule action. -- Benny ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com http://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
[MlMt] Rules and HTML parts
Hey all, Is there a good introductory tutorial to creating and using rules? I have some idea of how they work, but it'd be nice to learn from someone with experience. That said, is there a way to have a rule set the display part that should be preferred for a given message? I “Prefer plain text” in my preferences because it works better for me in 98% of cases, but there are a few addresses that always send mangled (or utterly useless) plain-text parts, so I always have to flip to the HTML part to make any sense of what they're sending. I'd love to have a rule Just Do That™ for me before I even open the messages. -- Eric A. Meyer - http://meyerweb.com/ ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com http://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Rules on Inbox - Generic
> On 16 Feb 2016, at 11:15, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote: > > A somewhat related feature would allow simply creating IMAP mailboxes based > on a header value: > > Move to Submailbox of [IMAP Mailbox/Account] based on [Header] > These two features would cover two types of somewhat similar use cases I > believe. > > Useful features? > I can say that currently I have initial filtering into folders extracted into an imapfilter lua script. This script main work is to take any message that has an List-Id and transform that into a folder location via a regular expression. So i.e. org.eclipse.jdt-Dev is put into folder named lists/eclipse/jdt.dev and org.jboss.hibernate-Dev ends up in lists/jboss/hibernate-Dev. I personally would t use it since I need the filtering to occur even when not running mailmate but If I was 100% desktop user I would love this kind of feature. ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com http://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Rules on Inbox - Generic
On 12 Feb 2016, at 17:59, Marc DR wrote: example: [From] [is in] [Info ▸ Marketing_Confirmed] [From] [Move to Mailbox] [Info ▸ Marketing_Auto] Please do note that I do not move to the Mailbox_Source because this allows me to see what has been add recently. I think I could achieve an identical result by tagging the "fresh" mails before moving and untagging them after verification ( or vice versa ), which is "easier" for you to implement. :-)) I think that would also be a nicer way to handle that. I think GUI-wise the "new-move" version could look like this [From] [is in] [Mailbox/SmartMailbox] [From] [Generic Move to first matched Source Mailbox of] [Mailbox/SmartMailbox] or [Dynamic Move to first matched Source of] [Mailbox/SmartMailbox] or [Fuzzy Move to Source of] [Mailbox/SmartMailbox] Just some ideas and have a nice WE, I think this illustrates that it's hard to make such a feature intuitive. A better (and cleaner) approach would be to make the action independent of the conditions. The action could then be something like: Move to Related Mailbox based on [Header] in [Mailbox] The “Mailbox” could be any smart or IMAP mailbox/account. It would trigger MailMate to look for the first message in Mailbox with the same header value. When found, the new message would be moved to the same IMAP mailbox as the found message. It would be like an IMAP mailbox variant of the Submailboxes feature for smart mailboxes. This would allow a worst case near-linear running time if a large number of messages are “moved” (linear in terms of the size of the mailbox used in the action). Note that in this case there would be no need for a condition for the rule except for maybe limiting the messages triggering the action. A somewhat related feature would allow simply creating IMAP mailboxes based on a header value: Move to Submailbox of [IMAP Mailbox/Account] based on [Header] These two features would cover two types of somewhat similar use cases I believe. Useful features? -- Benny ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com http://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Rules on Inbox - Generic
Benny, You got the idea right ! The reason I used the smart mailbox is because it gave me a degree in freedom The Rule as I use it now: [From] [is in] [Mailbox_Source] [From] [Move to Mailbox] [Mailbox_Target] example: [From] [is in] [Info ▸ Marketing_Confirmed] [From] [Move to Mailbox] [Info ▸ Marketing_Auto] Please do note that I do not move to the Mailbox_Source because this allows me to see what has been add recently. I think I could achieve an identical result by tagging the "fresh" mails before moving and untagging them after verification ( or vice versa ), which is "easier" for you to implement. :-)) I think GUI-wise the "new-move" version could look like this [From] [is in] [Mailbox/SmartMailbox] [From] [Generic Move to first matched Source Mailbox of] [Mailbox/SmartMailbox] or [Dynamic Move to first matched Source of] [Mailbox/SmartMailbox] or [Fuzzy Move to Source of] [Mailbox/SmartMailbox] Just some ideas and have a nice WE, Marc On 12 Feb 2016, at 10:22, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote: On 11 Feb 2016, at 23:28, Marc ARC wrote: I’m looking for a more generic solution, with less need to write a rule for every similar condition Something like: if sender/rule_condition of email is in SmartMailbox ( which might “contain” number of mailboxes ) You mean that the messages in the smart mailbox could be located in any number of IMAP mailboxes? move email to source_mailbox where sender/rule_condition was found As in: Move to Mailbox [IMAP mailbox of first matched message in SmartMailbox] This could help us to “sort/archive” automatically marketing emails, mails of a certain sender, etc . . . I think I understand the problem and I also think it would be a nice addition to the “is in” comparison method. Unfortunately, implementation-wise it's non-trivial. The information about matching messages in the SmartMailbox is “lost” long before reaching the point of rule actions and it's also not quite obvious how the GUI for such a feature should work. I'll think about this, but right now I don't see any simple way to do it. -- Benny ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com http://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com http://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Rules on Inbox - Generic
On 11 Feb 2016, at 23:28, Marc ARC wrote: I’m looking for a more generic solution, with less need to write a rule for every similar condition Something like: if sender/rule_condition of email is in SmartMailbox ( which might “contain” number of mailboxes ) You mean that the messages in the smart mailbox could be located in any number of IMAP mailboxes? move email to source_mailbox where sender/rule_condition was found As in: Move to Mailbox [IMAP mailbox of first matched message in SmartMailbox] This could help us to “sort/archive” automatically marketing emails, mails of a certain sender, etc . . . I think I understand the problem and I also think it would be a nice addition to the “is in” comparison method. Unfortunately, implementation-wise it's non-trivial. The information about matching messages in the SmartMailbox is “lost” long before reaching the point of rule actions and it's also not quite obvious how the GUI for such a feature should work. I'll think about this, but right now I don't see any simple way to do it. -- Benny ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com http://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
[MlMt] Rules on Inbox - Generic
Hello, We rely on rules to do some “pre-filtering” of our incoming mail ( we like to have certain mails routed to specific mail boxes ) ex: a rule on our inbox could look like: if sender of email is in mailbox_X move email to mailbox_X/Y I’m looking for a more generic solution, with less need to write a rule for every similar condition Something like: if sender/rule_condition of email is in SmartMailbox ( which might “contain” number of mailboxes ) move email to source_mailbox where sender/rule_condition was found This could help us to “sort/archive” automatically marketing emails, mails of a certain sender, etc . . . All idea’s are welcome Marc___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com http://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Rules for Counting Messages
OK. Thanks! On 24 Oct 2014, at 10:23, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote: On 24 Oct 2014, at 15:48, Zvi Biener wrote: Sample case: I review my Junk mailbox occasionally, just to make sure nothing got trapped in there, but I'd like to review it only when, say, 10 messages have piled up. My ideal rule would watch for the number of unread messages, and when it goes over ten, it would toggle the "Displayed Count" property of the mailbox from "No Count" to "Unread." Alternately, it can just notify me by script or otherwise. But I can't figure out how to count messages... I cannot think of a way to do that using smart mailboxes. It would require some kind of mailbox-level condition which would be a completely new concept in MailMate (all current conditions are message based). The query system in MailMate knows nothing about mailboxes. It's an interesting idea though. I think most things could be done if actions could be triggered based on a single condition on some aspect of a single mailbox, e.g., Count of [mailbox] > 10 Size of [mailbox] > 100MB Attachments Size of [mailbox] > 100MB This could be part of the current rules GUI and used with or without message conditions. For your problem then you would also need a new action type (“Set Mailbox Count to [Unread]”). Well, just thinking out loud here :-) Right now, you can run an external script which increases a counter (saved to disk or to a defaults variable). This hack could solve the first part of the problem, but I don't see any way to solve the second part of the problem without me implementing a new action method for rules. -- Benny ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com http://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com http://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Rules for Counting Messages
On 24 Oct 2014, at 15:48, Zvi Biener wrote: Sample case: I review my Junk mailbox occasionally, just to make sure nothing got trapped in there, but I'd like to review it only when, say, 10 messages have piled up. My ideal rule would watch for the number of unread messages, and when it goes over ten, it would toggle the "Displayed Count" property of the mailbox from "No Count" to "Unread." Alternately, it can just notify me by script or otherwise. But I can't figure out how to count messages... I cannot think of a way to do that using smart mailboxes. It would require some kind of mailbox-level condition which would be a completely new concept in MailMate (all current conditions are message based). The query system in MailMate knows nothing about mailboxes. It's an interesting idea though. I think most things could be done if actions could be triggered based on a single condition on some aspect of a single mailbox, e.g., Count of [mailbox] > 10 Size of [mailbox] > 100MB Attachments Size of [mailbox] > 100MB This could be part of the current rules GUI and used with or without message conditions. For your problem then you would also need a new action type (“Set Mailbox Count to [Unread]”). Well, just thinking out loud here :-) Right now, you can run an external script which increases a counter (saved to disk or to a defaults variable). This hack could solve the first part of the problem, but I don't see any way to solve the second part of the problem without me implementing a new action method for rules. -- Benny ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com http://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
[MlMt] Rules for Counting Messages
Hi MailMaters, I wonder if anyone has implemented, or can give me some tips, about how to implement mailbox rules that respond to the number of unread messages in a mailbox. Sample case: I review my Junk mailbox occasionally, just to make sure nothing got trapped in there, but I'd like to review it only when, say, 10 messages have piled up. My ideal rule would watch for the number of unread messages, and when it goes over ten, it would toggle the "Displayed Count" property of the mailbox from "No Count" to "Unread." Alternately, it can just notify me by script or otherwise. But I can't figure out how to count messages... Any ideas? Thanks, Zvi ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com http://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Rules didn't come along with update
Sorry Benny, it must have been just a fluke that an annoying Facebook message got through to my Inbox. Everything appears to be working and the reason I didn't see the rules is because I was looking in the wrong place. On 18 Sep 2014, at 7:48, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote: On 18 Sep 2014, at 11:30, Bob Koss wrote: I updated MailMate yesterday and I noticed this morning that my previous rules were not applied to incoming mail. I went to look at my rules and there weren't any. That doesn't sound good. So far, I have no other reports about this, but I'm of course very interested in fixing any bugs related to this. Is there a way to recover without entering them all again? If you have a backup then you can copy this file to get your mailboxes back: ~/Library/Application Support/MailMate/Mailboxes.plist You *must* quit MailMate before copying this file. If you manage to do this and the rules disappear again then let me know. Are there plans to make rules available across computers I use. Sometimes I'll enter rules on my laptop and sometimes on my desktop and it would be nice if I didn't have to do this twice. Possibly sync using Dropbox? I only have some notes on thoughts about how this could work. Something like Dropbox could be used, but I think it might be better to simply use IMAP for this purpose (the user could be asked to select a special IMAP mailbox for MailMate settings). It's not as trivial as it sounds though :-) -- Benny ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com http://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com http://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Rules didn't come along with update
On 18 Sep 2014, at 11:30, Bob Koss wrote: I updated MailMate yesterday and I noticed this morning that my previous rules were not applied to incoming mail. I went to look at my rules and there weren't any. That doesn't sound good. So far, I have no other reports about this, but I'm of course very interested in fixing any bugs related to this. Is there a way to recover without entering them all again? If you have a backup then you can copy this file to get your mailboxes back: ~/Library/Application Support/MailMate/Mailboxes.plist You *must* quit MailMate before copying this file. If you manage to do this and the rules disappear again then let me know. Are there plans to make rules available across computers I use. Sometimes I'll enter rules on my laptop and sometimes on my desktop and it would be nice if I didn't have to do this twice. Possibly sync using Dropbox? I only have some notes on thoughts about how this could work. Something like Dropbox could be used, but I think it might be better to simply use IMAP for this purpose (the user could be asked to select a special IMAP mailbox for MailMate settings). It's not as trivial as it sounds though :-) -- Benny ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com http://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
[MlMt] Rules didn't come along with update
I updated MailMate yesterday and I noticed this morning that my previous rules were not applied to incoming mail. I went to look at my rules and there weren't any. Is there a way to recover without entering them all again? Are there plans to make rules available across computers I use. Sometimes I'll enter rules on my laptop and sometimes on my desktop and it would be nice if I didn't have to do this twice. Possibly sync using Dropbox? Bob ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com http://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Rules
On 23 Jun 2014, at 12:43, Bram Heerink wrote: I enabled 2.0 features to delete messages from twitter.com that are older then 30 days. Am I doing something wrong? Do I have to press a magic button to execute the rule? https://www.evernote.com/shard/s52/sh/ac325577-7099-475e-b3f3-26e10d69a331/50294409f7c470e09aefe4efcf3259af Rules are not “dynamic” in the sense that for this rule to work then the message should arrive in the mailbox already being more than 30 days old. This might be optional at some point, but for now you can create a smart mailbox based on the INBOX which matches these 30 day old messages. Add a single rule to this smart mailbox which only has the action of moving to Deleted Messages. This works, because as far as MailMate is concerned a messages “arrives” in the smart mailbox when it's 30 days old. It is, of course, a bit weird that this mailbox is always going to be empty. Alternatively, you can manually use “Mailbox ▸ Apply Rules” on a selection of messages. -- Benny ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com http://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
[MlMt] Rules
Hi there, I enabled 2.0 features to delete messages from twitter.com that are older then 30 days. Am I doing something wrong? Do I have to press a magic button to execute the rule? https://www.evernote.com/shard/s52/sh/ac325577-7099-475e-b3f3-26e10d69a331/50294409f7c470e09aefe4efcf3259af Regards, Bram Heerink ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com http://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Rules to archive mail? (How to trigger rule-processing?)
On 21 Feb 2014, at 18:34, Ingo Lantschner wrote: I created a Smart Mailbox with the condition of not within the last 90 days and Mailboxes Any *Ingo Lantschner* (different from the Archive Mailbox!). This Smart Mailbox was filled immediately after creation with the expected messages. Then I added a rule to that Smart Mailbox with a similar condition and an action of moving to an other mailbox. Nothing happens. Mailbox —> Apply Rules moved the messages from *Ingo Lantschner* to *Archive*. But they are still visible in the Smart Mailbox. Any idea whey they are still visible? Are you sure the mailbox is not also based on the mailbox you are moving messages to? Is there a way to move the messages lets say once a day, No, I don't think so. or if I open MailMate? Hmm, I hadn't really given this much thought. Messages matching a smart mailbox based on a date condition are not going to be triggered if the date is reached while MailMate is closed. That might not be easily solved without changing rules to be applied (if conditions match) to all messages on startup. I'll give it some thought, but I think the solution is also a solution to another problem (having to create a separate smart mailbox for certain types of conditions/rules). -- Benny ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com http://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
