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Y'all have your outbound listed on spamhaus and I'm taking a lot of heat for deliverability issues from your space. Please contact me or request spamhaus removal for your outbounds. Your courteous support staff hung up on me when I tried to explain that the AUP code I had would not make sense to your deliverabilty team. Thanks in advance. 
 

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Re: [mailop] Mail Transfer Agent Alternatives

[Michelle Sullivan]

Dave Warren via mailop wrote:
That seems excessive and gross. Any reason you wouldn't just buy a new 
license and call it a day?


That actually sounds more like they accidentally hired a commissioned 
sales rep from a competitor. But maybe that's just me.



On 2018-02-06 14:14, Marc Goldman via mailop wrote:
I appreciate that Dave - which is why most people build recurring 
model businesses.


However…I was presented a bill for the retroactive support that would 
have been 3X what the cost of a license was.





I got from the thread that there either isn't an option or when they 
went to buy the new license they were given a retroactive fee as 
well...  which would convince me to jump ship and blacklist the company 
from any further business if I were on the receiving end...


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Re: [mailop] Yahoo Support Page

[Benjamin BILLON]

How would you see it happen? 
HTTP forms can require certain information, and if bombing isn't totally 
impossible, captcha still can help greatly.

This thread is about Support and not Abuse, but both would be similar for big 
operators.
I believe that if you complain by email, your email will be parsed to enter a 
ticketing tool anyway, as the web form would have done. 

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From: mailop [mailto:mailop-boun...@mailop.org] On Behalf Of Philip Paeps
Sent: Wednesday, 14 February, 2018 02:49
To: mailop@mailop.org
Subject: Re: [mailop] Yahoo Support Page

On 2018-02-13 15:07:33 (+0100), David Hofstee wrote:
>Ok... So this is the clue with the Yahoo form... There is a contact 
>form with a number of questions. One of the questions is
>
>
>*Copy the entire message which triggered the errorPlease remove < and > 
>characters around important information (e.g. IP addresses and email
>addresses).*
>
>*Don't do that*. Just paste the headers and maybe the text version. 
>Because the form is not POST-ed but GET-ed. This means that if you 
>message is too long for a URL (most cases in email marketing) then 
>stuff gets cut off at the end (and the processing fails).

Oh groan!

I really wish people would stop putting their abuse desks (etc) behind web 
forms.  The abuse came in via email.  Let us complain about it via email please.

The "everything over HTTP" culture is getting out of hand.

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Re: [mailop] Issues With the way Google Groups unsubscribe is used in headers..

[Michelle Sullivan]

Philip Paeps wrote:

On 2018-02-09 20:46:41 (+0100), Brandon Long wrote:

On Fri, Feb 9, 2018 at 6:13 AM Philip Paeps  wrote:

On 2018-02-07 17:05:59 (-0800), Michael Peddemors wrote:
Spammers are abusing Google Groups lists of course, and I am sure 
they are working on it


It would be nice if the Google Groups would "confirm opt-in" like 
other mailing lists.


Have you ever tried to set up a mailing list for your family or school?


Sure.  It seems polite to send people an invitation and ask them if 
they'd actually like to join the mailing list.



Does your company have mailing lists and require opt-in for them?


I'm self-employed. ;)  But customers have mailing lists.  These are 
very different from the "school" or "family" example though.



There are plenty of scenarios where its pretty impractical.


Unfortunately, making things "practical" is also very convenient for 
spammers.


It would certainly be easier for the abuse team to require opt-in, 
but then it would be a much less useful tool for a wide variety of 
use cases that aren't abusive.


Perhaps the default should be confirmed opt-in but allowing 
unconfirmed subcriptions after list owners jump through several extra 
hoops to prove they're not spammers?  Account aging is probably a good 
start.


Wouldn't be a better idea to default to confirmed-opt-in and only allow 
switching that off for approved "good" users?  (could be robot policed 
if done well)


Michelle

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Re: [mailop] Extreme amounts of SMTP auth from microsoft/outlook IPs

[Michael Wise via mailop]

They say they've identified the issue and are working on it.

Aloha,
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-Original Message-
From: mailop  On Behalf Of Carl Byington
Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2018 9:14 AM
To: mailop@mailop.org
Subject: Re: [mailop] Extreme amounts of SMTP auth from microsoft/outlook IPs



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On Fri, 2018-02-09 at 22:22 +, Michael Wise via mailop wrote:

> It's being ... investigated.



4 days later - still probing an account here every 3 seconds.

40.97.0.0/16 is currently firewalled. In the last month I have not seen any 
actual mail delivery from that block. Has anyone else seen real mail delivery 
from that /16?





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Re: [mailop] Yahoo Support Page

[Philip Paeps]

On 2018-02-13 15:07:33 (+0100), David Hofstee wrote:
Ok... So this is the clue with the Yahoo form... There is a contact 
form with a number of questions. One of the questions is



*Copy the entire message which triggered the errorPlease remove < and > 
characters around important information (e.g. IP addresses and email 
addresses).*


*Don't do that*. Just paste the headers and maybe the text version. 
Because the form is not POST-ed but GET-ed. This means that if you 
message is too long for a URL (most cases in email marketing) then 
stuff gets cut off at the end (and the processing fails).


Oh groan!

I really wish people would stop putting their abuse desks (etc) behind 
web forms.  The abuse came in via email.  Let us complain about it via 
email please.


The "everything over HTTP" culture is getting out of hand.

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Re: [mailop] [OT] Re: contact at telkomsa.net

[Dave Warren]

On 2018-02-13 03:33, G. Miliotis wrote:

Hi,

For a moment there I thought that there was a banner ad in your 
signature. May I suggest you make it animated, it'll be a lot more catchy.


That and I wonder what MimeCast pays for a sponsored email footer?


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Re: [mailop] Extreme amounts of SMTP auth from microsoft/outlook IPs

[Carl Byington]

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Hash: SHA512

On Fri, 2018-02-09 at 22:22 +, Michael Wise via mailop wrote:
> It's being ... investigated.

4 days later - still probing an account here every 3 seconds.
40.97.0.0/16 is currently firewalled. In the last month I have not seen
any actual mail delivery from that block. Has anyone else seen real mail
delivery from that /16?


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Re: [mailop] Yahoo Support Page

[David Hofstee]

Ok... So this is the clue with the Yahoo form... There is a contact form
with a number of questions. One of the questions is


*Copy the entire message which triggered the errorPlease remove < and >
characters around important information (e.g. IP addresses and email
addresses).*

*Don't do that*. Just paste the headers and maybe the text version. Because
the form is not POST-ed but GET-ed. This means that if you message is too
long for a URL (most cases in email marketing) then stuff gets cut off at
the end (and the processing fails).

Yours,


David


On 13 February 2018 at 14:38, David Hofstee 
wrote:

> I created the login a long time ago. That part was done. I guess the form
> is a hit and miss.
>
> I'll just waste more of my time.
>
> Yours,
>
>
> David
>
> On 13 February 2018 at 14:06, Udeme Ukutt  wrote:
>
>> I’ve not had issues submitting stuff through the Yahoo Postmaster forms
>> in the last few weeks - most recent a few days ago. Basically before you
>> try to, you need to (create and then) login to a yahoo email address - then
>> visit postmaster.yahoo.com.
>>
>> Udeme
>> Postmaster at Wish
>>
>> On Tue, Feb 13, 2018 at 7:59 AM David Hofstee <
>> opentext.dhofs...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> This is still the case... Yahoo cannot be reached for deliverability
>>> issues.
>>>
>>>
>>> David
>>>
>>> On 19 September 2017 at 04:40, Benjamin BILLON via mailop <
>>> mailop@mailop.org> wrote:
>>>
 What's the URL?
 Is it to reach the page, or after you submit the form?


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 2017-09-19 1:53 GMT+08:00 Scot Berggren :

> Is anyone on here from Yahoo?
>
>
>
> I’ve been trying to submit a ticket via their support site, but for
> the past week keep getting this message:
>
> Sorry, there was an error on our end. Please try again later.
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
>
>
> *Scot Berggren* *|* Deliverability and Compliance Manager *|*
> Alterian US *|* sbergg...@alterian.com
>
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Re: [mailop] Yahoo Support Page

[David Hofstee]

I created the login a long time ago. That part was done. I guess the form
is a hit and miss.

I'll just waste more of my time.

Yours,


David

On 13 February 2018 at 14:06, Udeme Ukutt  wrote:

> I’ve not had issues submitting stuff through the Yahoo Postmaster forms in
> the last few weeks - most recent a few days ago. Basically before you try
> to, you need to (create and then) login to a yahoo email address - then
> visit postmaster.yahoo.com.
>
> Udeme
> Postmaster at Wish
>
> On Tue, Feb 13, 2018 at 7:59 AM David Hofstee 
> wrote:
>
>> This is still the case... Yahoo cannot be reached for deliverability
>> issues.
>>
>>
>> David
>>
>> On 19 September 2017 at 04:40, Benjamin BILLON via mailop <
>> mailop@mailop.org> wrote:
>>
>>> What's the URL?
>>> Is it to reach the page, or after you submit the form?
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> 
>>> Benjamin
>>>
>>> 2017-09-19 1:53 GMT+08:00 Scot Berggren :
>>>
 Is anyone on here from Yahoo?



 I’ve been trying to submit a ticket via their support site, but for the
 past week keep getting this message:

 Sorry, there was an error on our end. Please try again later.



 Thanks,



 *Scot Berggren* *|* Deliverability and Compliance Manager *|* Alterian
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Re: [mailop] Yahoo Support Page

[Udeme Ukutt]

I’ve not had issues submitting stuff through the Yahoo Postmaster forms in
the last few weeks - most recent a few days ago. Basically before you try
to, you need to (create and then) login to a yahoo email address - then
visit postmaster.yahoo.com.

Udeme
Postmaster at Wish

On Tue, Feb 13, 2018 at 7:59 AM David Hofstee 
wrote:

> This is still the case... Yahoo cannot be reached for deliverability
> issues.
>
>
> David
>
> On 19 September 2017 at 04:40, Benjamin BILLON via mailop <
> mailop@mailop.org> wrote:
>
>> What's the URL?
>> Is it to reach the page, or after you submit the form?
>>
>>
>> --
>> 
>> Benjamin
>>
>> 2017-09-19 1:53 GMT+08:00 Scot Berggren :
>>
>>> Is anyone on here from Yahoo?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I’ve been trying to submit a ticket via their support site, but for the
>>> past week keep getting this message:
>>>
>>> Sorry, there was an error on our end. Please try again later.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *Scot Berggren* *|* Deliverability and Compliance Manager *|* Alterian
>>> US *|* sbergg...@alterian.com
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Re: [mailop] Yahoo Support Page

[David Hofstee]

This is still the case... Yahoo cannot be reached for deliverability
issues.


David

On 19 September 2017 at 04:40, Benjamin BILLON via mailop  wrote:

> What's the URL?
> Is it to reach the page, or after you submit the form?
>
>
> --
> 
> Benjamin
>
> 2017-09-19 1:53 GMT+08:00 Scot Berggren :
>
>> Is anyone on here from Yahoo?
>>
>>
>>
>> I’ve been trying to submit a ticket via their support site, but for the
>> past week keep getting this message:
>>
>> Sorry, there was an error on our end. Please try again later.
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>>
>>
>> *Scot Berggren* *|* Deliverability and Compliance Manager *|* Alterian US
>>  *|* sbergg...@alterian.com
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[mailop] [OT] Re: contact at telkomsa.net

[G. Miliotis]

Hi,

For a moment there I thought that there was a banner ad in your 
signature. May I suggest you make it animated, it'll be a lot more catchy.


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[mailop] contact at telkomsa.net

[Nishaan Saccaram]

Hi

Is there anyone or is there a contact at telkomsa here?

Thanks


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